Who Are The Palestinians?

[P F Tinmore]

Who are the Palestinians?

Rafeef Ziadah

A made up people

Indeed, they just fell out of the sky in 1948 like a gift from God.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Who are the Palestinians?

Rafeef Ziadah

A made up people

Indeed, they just fell out of the sky in 1948 like a gift from God.

The last thing I would call them is a gift from G-d. Curse from G-d maybe. In any event, they are part of the larger Arab people and identify themselves as such in their Charter, in the very first paragraph.

 

[montelatici]

What's refuted about you sick puppy. It is what the land records stated when the final Survey of Palestine was published by the UN. It is fact, not the propaganda you and your ignorant friends post daily.

Saya the king of propaganda!

He does not understand that the ownership of 5% of the land paying 60+% of the tax makes no sense. It is not like they were mining gold or pumping oil from the swamps and desert that jews were sold.
Non-jewish does not mean palestinian. Not jewish could include arabs from other countries, state and church land as well as private land owned by christians. Land too inhospitable for homes, farms or perhaps even grazing. Land used by public works, the british officials, NGOs, even other countries for embassies.
Time he found some new books and other documents that are factual and researchable for accuracy and context.

He doesn't understand a lot of things.

I have forgotten more than you ever understood asshole.

You're nothing but a propaganda machine. You can't handle the truth and whenever someone does show you the truth, you desperately try and make it look like a lie.
You of all people have no right to accuse anyone of posting propaganda, propaganda-tici

I state fact. You just can't handle the truth. Name one single item that I have stated that isn't absolute fact. Just one. It is you that exclusively post propaganda. You can't even admit that Jews from Europe went to Palestine, a place on another continent, and drove out the local inhabitants. This is a plain fact, yet will wiggle and squirm to deny that it happened.

 

[montelatici]

Who are the Palestinians?

Rafeef Ziadah

A made up people

Another example of the propaganda you spew. It is a constant with you. Of course they are not a made up people. They are no more "made up" than the Lebanese, the Tunisians, the Iraqis or any other country in the Middle East. In fact, Palestinians were around before some of those people.

Just part of a letter from the Palestinians to the British written in 1922 where they were the people of Palestine as opposed to the Zionists.


"We, therefore, hold that the proposed constitution is wholly unsatisfactory, because:—

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  (a) In the preamble to the Palestine Order in Council "the declaration of November 2nd, 1917, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish People" is made a basis for this Order; the People of Palestine cannot accept this Declaration as a basis for discussion.

- See more at: UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization British policy in Palestine Churchill White Paper - UK documentation Cmd. 1700 Non-UN document excerpts 1 July 1922

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[Kondor3]

Trouble is, there is FAR less merit in the arguments for an 'inveted' Israeli identity, than there is for an 'invented' Palestinian identity.

And, even if both arguments are found to have merit, the Israelis declared first, and most successfully, and, of the two, are the only one with a functioning State to serve such an 'invented' People.

Even in such esoteric matters, the Israelis continue to outperform and outclass the so-called Palestinians, by several orders of magnitude.

Rather like pitting the Senior Varsity Football Team against a sandlot scratch pick-up scrimmage squad.

 

[montelatici]

Trouble is, there is FAR less merit in the arguments for an 'inveted' Israeli identity, than there is for an 'invented' Palestinian identity.

And, even if both arguments are found to have merit, the Israelis declared first, and most successfully, and, of the two, are the only one with a functioning State to serve such an 'invented' People.

Even in such esoteric matters, the Israelis continue to outperform and outclass the so-called Palestinians, by several orders of magnitude.

Rather like pitting the Senior Varsity Football Team against a sandlot scratch pick-up scrimmage squad.

Well, the Nazis outclassed the so-called Jews they ruled over by several orders of magnitude. That doesn't really tell us anything.

 

[Kondor3]

Trouble is, there is FAR less merit in the arguments for an 'inveted' Israeli identity, than there is for an 'invented' Palestinian identity.

And, even if both arguments are found to have merit, the Israelis declared first, and most successfully, and, of the two, are the only one with a functioning State to serve such an 'invented' People.

Even in such esoteric matters, the Israelis continue to outperform and outclass the so-called Palestinians, by several orders of magnitude.

Rather like pitting the Senior Varsity Football Team against a sandlot scratch pick-up scrimmage squad.

Well, the Nazis outclassed the so-called Jews they ruled over by several orders of magnitude. That doesn't really tell us anything.

The Jews were not engaged in a decades-long political and military struggle with the Nazis - consequently, the comparison does not hold.

The Jews of Israel actually began their national life as the uncontested Underdogs, against the Arabs, and did a remarkable job of turning that around.

To say that they 'outclassed' and 'out-maneuvered' and 'outsmarted' and out-fought the Arabs is an exercise in classic understatement.

It provides us with excellent and highly defensible Israeli-favorable insight into the quality and nature of the Jews of Old Palestine (a.k.a. Israel, today) in comparison to the Arabs of Old Palestine (a.k.a. Rump Palestine, today) and their Muslim-Arab neighbors - and their various descendants still living in the region and still eligible for consideration.

 

[montelatici]

Trouble is, there is FAR less merit in the arguments for an 'inveted' Israeli identity, than there is for an 'invented' Palestinian identity.

And, even if both arguments are found to have merit, the Israelis declared first, and most successfully, and, of the two, are the only one with a functioning State to serve such an 'invented' People.

Even in such esoteric matters, the Israelis continue to outperform and outclass the so-called Palestinians, by several orders of magnitude.

Rather like pitting the Senior Varsity Football Team against a sandlot scratch pick-up scrimmage squad.

Well, the Nazis outclassed the so-called Jews they ruled over by several orders of magnitude. That doesn't really tell us anything.

The Jews were not engaged in a decades-long political and military struggle with the Nazis - consequently, the comparison does not hold.

The Jews of Israel actually began their national life as the uncontested Underdogs, against the Arabs, and did a remarkable job of turning that around.

To say that they 'outclassed' and 'out-maneuvered' and 'outsmarted' the Arabs is an exercise in classic understatement.

It provides us with excellent and highly defensible Israeli-favorable insight into the quality and nature of the Jews of Old Palestine (a.k.a. Israel, today) in comparison to the Arabs of Old Palestine (a.k.a. Rump Palestine, today) and their Muslim-Arab neighbors - and their various descendants still living in the region and still eligible for consideration.

The Jewish out numbered and was better armed than their opponents:


" the divisions in the Arab world and the inferiority of their armed forces (in terms of numbers, training and weaponry, and hence impact); the strategic advantage enjoyed by Israel as a result of its agreement with King Abdullah of Transjordan (in exchange for the West Bank, he undertook not to attack the territory allocated to Israel by the UN); British support for this compromise, together with the joint support of the United States and the Soviet Union; the sympathy of world public opinion and so forth."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

 

[toastman]

Saya the king of propaganda!

He does not understand that the ownership of 5% of the land paying 60+% of the tax makes no sense. It is not like they were mining gold or pumping oil from the swamps and desert that jews were sold.
Non-jewish does not mean palestinian. Not jewish could include arabs from other countries, state and church land as well as private land owned by christians. Land too inhospitable for homes, farms or perhaps even grazing. Land used by public works, the british officials, NGOs, even other countries for embassies.
Time he found some new books and other documents that are factual and researchable for accuracy and context.

He doesn't understand a lot of things.

I have forgotten more than you ever understood asshole.

You're nothing but a propaganda machine. You can't handle the truth and whenever someone does show you the truth, you desperately try and make it look like a lie.
You of all people have no right to accuse anyone of posting propaganda, propaganda-tici

I state fact. You just can't handle the truth. Name one single item that I have stated that isn't absolute fact. Just one. It is you that exclusively post propaganda. You can't even admit that Jews from Europe went to Palestine, a place on another continent, and drove out the local inhabitants. This is a plain fact, yet will wiggle and squirm to deny that it happened.

How about the lie that Jews massacred Arabs before the other way around.

 

[aris2chat]

Trouble is, there is FAR less merit in the arguments for an 'inveted' Israeli identity, than there is for an 'invented' Palestinian identity.

And, even if both arguments are found to have merit, the Israelis declared first, and most successfully, and, of the two, are the only one with a functioning State to serve such an 'invented' People.

Even in such esoteric matters, the Israelis continue to outperform and outclass the so-called Palestinians, by several orders of magnitude.

Rather like pitting the Senior Varsity Football Team against a sandlot scratch pick-up scrimmage squad.

Well, the Nazis outclassed the so-called Jews they ruled over by several orders of magnitude. That doesn't really tell us anything.

The Jews were not engaged in a decades-long political and military struggle with the Nazis - consequently, the comparison does not hold.

The Jews of Israel actually began their national life as the uncontested Underdogs, against the Arabs, and did a remarkable job of turning that around.

To say that they 'outclassed' and 'out-maneuvered' and 'outsmarted' the Arabs is an exercise in classic understatement.

It provides us with excellent and highly defensible Israeli-favorable insight into the quality and nature of the Jews of Old Palestine (a.k.a. Israel, today) in comparison to the Arabs of Old Palestine (a.k.a. Rump Palestine, today) and their Muslim-Arab neighbors - and their various descendants still living in the region and still eligible for consideration.

The Jewish out numbered and was better armed than their opponents:


" the divisions in the Arab world and the inferiority of their armed forces (in terms of numbers, training and weaponry, and hence impact); the strategic advantage enjoyed by Israel as a result of its agreement with King Abdullah of Transjordan (in exchange for the West Bank, he undertook not to attack the territory allocated to Israel by the UN); British support for this compromise, together with the joint support of the United States and the Soviet Union; the sympathy of world public opinion and so forth."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

Israel was using second hand equipment and were highly outnumbered.

 

[montelatici]

After decades of abusing the non-Jews, there was conflict:

Achad Ha'am from the 1890s:


""We tend to believe abroad that Palestine is nowadays almost completely deserted, an uncultivated wilderness, and anyone can come there and buy as much land as his heart desires. But in reality this is not the case. It is difficult to find anywhere in the country Arab land which lies fallow..... behave towards the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, infringe upon their boundaries, hit them shamefully without reason, and even brag about it". The Arab did indeed respect strength, but only when the other side used it justly. When his opponent's actions were unjust and oppressive, then "he may keep his anger to himself for a time ... but in the long run he will prove to be vengeful and full of retribution"

David Goldberg The 1907 writings of one traveller to Palestine vividly describe the roots of the region s enmity Comment is free The Guardian

 

[Kondor3]

Trouble is, there is FAR less merit in the arguments for an 'inveted' Israeli identity, than there is for an 'invented' Palestinian identity.

And, even if both arguments are found to have merit, the Israelis declared first, and most successfully, and, of the two, are the only one with a functioning State to serve such an 'invented' People.

Even in such esoteric matters, the Israelis continue to outperform and outclass the so-called Palestinians, by several orders of magnitude.

Rather like pitting the Senior Varsity Football Team against a sandlot scratch pick-up scrimmage squad.

Well, the Nazis outclassed the so-called Jews they ruled over by several orders of magnitude. That doesn't really tell us anything.

The Jews were not engaged in a decades-long political and military struggle with the Nazis - consequently, the comparison does not hold.

The Jews of Israel actually began their national life as the uncontested Underdogs, against the Arabs, and did a remarkable job of turning that around.

To say that they 'outclassed' and 'out-maneuvered' and 'outsmarted' the Arabs is an exercise in classic understatement.

It provides us with excellent and highly defensible Israeli-favorable insight into the quality and nature of the Jews of Old Palestine (a.k.a. Israel, today) in comparison to the Arabs of Old Palestine (a.k.a. Rump Palestine, today) and their Muslim-Arab neighbors - and their various descendants still living in the region and still eligible for consideration.

The Jewish out numbered and was better armed than their opponents:


" the divisions in the Arab world and the inferiority of their armed forces (in terms of numbers, training and weaponry, and hence impact); the strategic advantage enjoyed by Israel as a result of its agreement with King Abdullah of Transjordan (in exchange for the West Bank, he undertook not to attack the territory allocated to Israel by the UN); British support for this compromise, together with the joint support of the United States and the Soviet Union; the sympathy of world public opinion and so forth."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

Israel was using second hand equipment and were highly outnumbered.

Yep... they out-fought, out-thought, outsmarted and out-classed the Muslim-Arabs of the region, by order(s) of magnitude... nolo contendere.

 

[montelatici]

Trouble is, there is FAR less merit in the arguments for an 'inveted' Israeli identity, than there is for an 'invented' Palestinian identity.

And, even if both arguments are found to have merit, the Israelis declared first, and most successfully, and, of the two, are the only one with a functioning State to serve such an 'invented' People.

Even in such esoteric matters, the Israelis continue to outperform and outclass the so-called Palestinians, by several orders of magnitude.

Rather like pitting the Senior Varsity Football Team against a sandlot scratch pick-up scrimmage squad.

Well, the Nazis outclassed the so-called Jews they ruled over by several orders of magnitude. That doesn't really tell us anything.

The Jews were not engaged in a decades-long political and military struggle with the Nazis - consequently, the comparison does not hold.

The Jews of Israel actually began their national life as the uncontested Underdogs, against the Arabs, and did a remarkable job of turning that around.

To say that they 'outclassed' and 'out-maneuvered' and 'outsmarted' the Arabs is an exercise in classic understatement.

It provides us with excellent and highly defensible Israeli-favorable insight into the quality and nature of the Jews of Old Palestine (a.k.a. Israel, today) in comparison to the Arabs of Old Palestine (a.k.a. Rump Palestine, today) and their Muslim-Arab neighbors - and their various descendants still living in the region and still eligible for consideration.

The Jewish out numbered and was better armed than their opponents:


" the divisions in the Arab world and the inferiority of their armed forces (in terms of numbers, training and weaponry, and hence impact); the strategic advantage enjoyed by Israel as a result of its agreement with King Abdullah of Transjordan (in exchange for the West Bank, he undertook not to attack the territory allocated to Israel by the UN); British support for this compromise, together with the joint support of the United States and the Soviet Union; the sympathy of world public opinion and so forth."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

Israel was using second hand equipment and were highly outnumbered.

Yep... they out-fought, out-thought, outsmarted and out-classed the Muslim-Arabs of the region, by order(s) of magnitude... nolo contendere.

The Spanish, the British and all the European colonialists out-fought, out-thought and out-classed all the people they colonized. Nothing new. What is your point.

The fact is, if the colonized people manage not to be eliminated, they will expel the colonizer, eventually.

 

[Kondor3]

The Spanish, the British and all the European colonialists out-fought, out-thought and out-classed all the people they colonized. Nothing new. What is your point...

My point is that - unlike all of those superpowers (for their times) who conquered - the Jews were seriously outgunned and outnumbered and STILL managed to out-fight, out-think, out-smart and out-perform the Muslim-Arabs of the region - repeatedly - working hard to convert themselves from the underdog to a position of superior strength; the Original Come-Back Kids - much, much different than super-powers taking-on underdog populations.

...The fact is, if the colonized people manage not to be eliminated, they will expel the colonizer, eventually.

Unless the colonized people are kicked-out of their few remaining scraps of land, long before they could ever become a threat.

Your beloved Palestinians will not be eliminated; just broken-up and scattered to the four winds, never to be heard from again, except at Remembrance Day parades in distant lands, a generation or two after the Expulsion, if-and-when that comes.

 

[toastman]

After decades of abusing the non-Jews, there was conflict:

Achad Ha'am from the 1890s:


""We tend to believe abroad that Palestine is nowadays almost completely deserted, an uncultivated wilderness, and anyone can come there and buy as much land as his heart desires. But in reality this is not the case. It is difficult to find anywhere in the country Arab land which lies fallow..... behave towards the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, infringe upon their boundaries, hit them shamefully without reason, and even brag about it". The Arab did indeed respect strength, but only when the other side used it justly. When his opponent's actions were unjust and oppressive, then "he may keep his anger to himself for a time ... but in the long run he will prove to be vengeful and full of retribution"

David Goldberg The 1907 writings of one traveller to Palestine vividly describe the roots of the region s enmity Comment is free The Guardian

Actually, the conflicts started because Arabs kept massacring Jews, dating back to before 1900. This is one of those simple facts that you cannot accept.

 

[aris2chat]

After decades of abusing the non-Jews, there was conflict:

Achad Ha'am from the 1890s:


""We tend to believe abroad that Palestine is nowadays almost completely deserted, an uncultivated wilderness, and anyone can come there and buy as much land as his heart desires. But in reality this is not the case. It is difficult to find anywhere in the country Arab land which lies fallow..... behave towards the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, infringe upon their boundaries, hit them shamefully without reason, and even brag about it". The Arab did indeed respect strength, but only when the other side used it justly. When his opponent's actions were unjust and oppressive, then "he may keep his anger to himself for a time ... but in the long run he will prove to be vengeful and full of retribution"

David Goldberg The 1907 writings of one traveller to Palestine vividly describe the roots of the region s enmity Comment is free The Guardian

your referring to Ginsberg, leader of cultural zionism. He also spoke of vast amounts of land that the arab would not even try to cultivate or clear because they didn't like to work and had no vision of the future.
You only quoted the part about cultivated land, not the whole area.

 

[montelatici]

After decades of abusing the non-Jews, there was conflict:

Achad Ha'am from the 1890s:


""We tend to believe abroad that Palestine is nowadays almost completely deserted, an uncultivated wilderness, and anyone can come there and buy as much land as his heart desires. But in reality this is not the case. It is difficult to find anywhere in the country Arab land which lies fallow..... behave towards the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, infringe upon their boundaries, hit them shamefully without reason, and even brag about it". The Arab did indeed respect strength, but only when the other side used it justly. When his opponent's actions were unjust and oppressive, then "he may keep his anger to himself for a time ... but in the long run he will prove to be vengeful and full of retribution"

David Goldberg The 1907 writings of one traveller to Palestine vividly describe the roots of the region s enmity Comment is free The Guardian

your referring to Ginsberg, leader of cultural zionism. He also spoke of vast amounts of land that the arab would not even try to cultivate or clear because they didn't like to work and had no vision of the future.
You only quoted the part about cultivated land, not the whole area.

"""We tend to believe abroad that Palestine is nowadays almost completely deserted, an uncultivated wilderness, and anyone can come there and buy as much land as his heart desires. But in reality this is not the case. It is difficult to find anywhere in the country Arab land which lies fallow...."



Right, you frigging idiot.

 

[MJB12741]

Trouble is, there is FAR less merit in the arguments for an 'inveted' Israeli identity, than there is for an 'invented' Palestinian identity.

And, even if both arguments are found to have merit, the Israelis declared first, and most successfully, and, of the two, are the only one with a functioning State to serve such an 'invented' People.

Even in such esoteric matters, the Israelis continue to outperform and outclass the so-called Palestinians, by several orders of magnitude.

Rather like pitting the Senior Varsity Football Team against a sandlot scratch pick-up scrimmage squad.

Well, the Nazis outclassed the so-called Jews they ruled over by several orders of magnitude. That doesn't really tell us anything.

The Jews were not engaged in a decades-long political and military struggle with the Nazis - consequently, the comparison does not hold.

The Jews of Israel actually began their national life as the uncontested Underdogs, against the Arabs, and did a remarkable job of turning that around.

To say that they 'outclassed' and 'out-maneuvered' and 'outsmarted' the Arabs is an exercise in classic understatement.

It provides us with excellent and highly defensible Israeli-favorable insight into the quality and nature of the Jews of Old Palestine (a.k.a. Israel, today) in comparison to the Arabs of Old Palestine (a.k.a. Rump Palestine, today) and their Muslim-Arab neighbors - and their various descendants still living in the region and still eligible for consideration.

The Jewish out numbered and was better armed than their opponents:


" the divisions in the Arab world and the inferiority of their armed forces (in terms of numbers, training and weaponry, and hence impact); the strategic advantage enjoyed by Israel as a result of its agreement with King Abdullah of Transjordan (in exchange for the West Bank, he undertook not to attack the territory allocated to Israel by the UN); British support for this compromise, together with the joint support of the United States and the Soviet Union; the sympathy of world public opinion and so forth."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

Israel was using second hand equipment and were highly outnumbered.

Yep... they out-fought, out-thought, outsmarted and out-classed the Muslim-Arabs of the region, by order(s) of magnitude... nolo contendere.

In this world there are winners & there are losers. And the best part is the Palestinians never stop their losing ways.

 

[aris2chat]

After decades of abusing the non-Jews, there was conflict:

Achad Ha'am from the 1890s:


""We tend to believe abroad that Palestine is nowadays almost completely deserted, an uncultivated wilderness, and anyone can come there and buy as much land as his heart desires. But in reality this is not the case. It is difficult to find anywhere in the country Arab land which lies fallow..... behave towards the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, infringe upon their boundaries, hit them shamefully without reason, and even brag about it". The Arab did indeed respect strength, but only when the other side used it justly. When his opponent's actions were unjust and oppressive, then "he may keep his anger to himself for a time ... but in the long run he will prove to be vengeful and full of retribution"

David Goldberg The 1907 writings of one traveller to Palestine vividly describe the roots of the region s enmity Comment is free The Guardian

your referring to Ginsberg, leader of cultural zionism. He also spoke of vast amounts of land that the arab would not even try to cultivate or clear because they didn't like to work and had no vision of the future.
You only quoted the part about cultivated land, not the whole area.

"""We tend to believe abroad that Palestine is nowadays almost completely deserted, an uncultivated wilderness, and anyone can come there and buy as much land as his heart desires. But in reality this is not the case. It is difficult to find anywhere in the country Arab land which lies fallow...."



Right, you frigging idiot.

Talking about yourself?

did you actually read anything except that one partial quote?

 

[montelatici]

After decades of abusing the non-Jews, there was conflict:

Achad Ha'am from the 1890s:


""We tend to believe abroad that Palestine is nowadays almost completely deserted, an uncultivated wilderness, and anyone can come there and buy as much land as his heart desires. But in reality this is not the case. It is difficult to find anywhere in the country Arab land which lies fallow..... behave towards the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, infringe upon their boundaries, hit them shamefully without reason, and even brag about it". The Arab did indeed respect strength, but only when the other side used it justly. When his opponent's actions were unjust and oppressive, then "he may keep his anger to himself for a time ... but in the long run he will prove to be vengeful and full of retribution"

David Goldberg The 1907 writings of one traveller to Palestine vividly describe the roots of the region s enmity Comment is free The Guardian

your referring to Ginsberg, leader of cultural zionism. He also spoke of vast amounts of land that the arab would not even try to cultivate or clear because they didn't like to work and had no vision of the future.
You only quoted the part about cultivated land, not the whole area.

"""We tend to believe abroad that Palestine is nowadays almost completely deserted, an uncultivated wilderness, and anyone can come there and buy as much land as his heart desires. But in reality this is not the case. It is difficult to find anywhere in the country Arab land which lies fallow...."



Right, you frigging idiot.

Talking about yourself?

did you actually read anything except that one partial quote?

Read it all Aris. Europeans had no business invading Palestine and evicting the Muslims and Christians. That's just a fact.