which sides bank buster would the founding father's agree with

[blu]

The right has the military, "defense" spending (on a whole range of things that aren't necessary for defense), and nation building inside a large range of countries that aren't currently a threat and that were taken over by questionable means.

The left has its social programs for everything under sun they could get passed.

When it comes time to talk about cutting spending both sides harp on the others wasteful programs and allotments of money in the previously mentioned areas, and neither will compromise. This one of the main reasons the government is as big as it is and has so much power over the people and means the budget just gets bigger and bigger every year.

with that said... Which side would the founding fathers take, if any? Personally I think they would be distraught at both parties over the last ~70 years and attempt a brand new revolution.

 

[blu]

no one?

 

[REVxERIK]

they're turning over in their graves

 

[Oddball]

Neither.

The demopublicraticans have become the monsters that the framers broke away from.

 

[blu]

bump

 

[Sherry]

I'll play. I suppose if they were absolutely forced to choose between the lesser of two evils, they would go with the one that least infringes on our being independent as individuals. The more people become dependent on government, the more they relinquish their personal freedom and liberties.

 

[Thinman]

The right has the military, "defense" spending (on a whole range of things that aren't necessary for defense), and nation building inside a large range of countries that aren't currently a threat and that were taken over by questionable means.

The left has its social programs for everything under sun they could get passed.

When it comes time to talk about cutting spending both sides harp on the others wasteful programs and allotments of money in the previously mentioned areas, and neither will compromise. This one of the main reasons the government is as big as it is and has so much power over the people and means the budget just gets bigger and bigger every year.

with that said... Which side would the founding fathers take, if any? Personally I think they would be distraught at both parties over the last ~70 years and attempt a brand new revolution.

The right tries to lift 3rd world countries through nation building, while the left seeks equality among nations by reducing America to a third world country.

 

[blu]

The right tries to lift 3rd world countries through nation building, while the left seeks equality among nations by reducing America to a third world country.

both bankrupt the country, and the nation building hurts our national security as the people in the country know who is behind their puppet government

 

[The T]

Neither.

The demopublicraticans have become the monsters that the framers broke away from.

And if alive today? Would have said "This is what we tried to WARN you of..."

 

[JakeStarkey]

Washington, Adams, Hamilton, Pickney, etc. if alive today would agree with the Democratic programs. Let's move on.

 

[The T]

Washington, Adams, Hamilton, Pickney, etc. if alive today would agree with the Democratic programs. Let's move on.

They would? Under what auspices exactly? Would that be "the General Welfare" Clause?

Quote it.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Washington, Adams, Hamilton, Pickney, etc. if alive today would agree with the Democratic programs. Let's move on.

Well you at least chose the founders who believed in a bigger federal government, but even they would be alarmed at what the federal government is doing. Both Democrats and Republicans.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The following is common knowledge for those who attended high school and higher education before 1970.

Adams and Hamilton (as did later Clay and Lincoln) supported the National Bank, which comprised of both public money (1/5th investment, and five out of twenty-five board directors). Among others, Washington, both Adams the elder and the younger, John C. Calhoun (before the early 1820s), Webster, Clay, and Lincoln all believed in using federal monies for supporting the construction of transportation infrastructure across state lines.

On the other side, you would have those for established churches (Patrick Henry) and slavery (Jefferson, Madison) probably joining the Republicans today because they wanted a weaker, national government.

ps: why do you think Washington wanted the national capitol across the river from where he lived? He was hoping that he Potomac River was going to be the great inland water "highway" into the west, and he wanted both his property and the national capitol to benefit from it.

 

[The T]

The following is common knowledge for those who attended high school and higher education before 1970.

Adams and Hamilton (as did later Clay and Lincoln) supported the National Bank, which comprised of both public money (1/5th investment, and five out of twenty-five board directors). Among others, Washington, both Adams the elder and the younger, John C. Calhoun (before the early 1820s), Webster, Clay, and Lincoln all believed in using federal monies for supporting the construction of transportation infrastructure across state lines.

On the other side, you would have those for established churches (Patrick Henry) and slavery (Jefferson, Madison) probably joining the Republicans today because they wanted a weaker, national government.

ps: why do you think Washington wanted the national capitol across the river from where he lived? He was hoping that he Potomac River was going to be the great inland water "highway" into the west, and he wanted both his property and the national capitol to benefit from it.

What the HELL is this babble?

 

[The T]

Washington, Adams, Hamilton, Pickney, etc. if alive today would agree with the Democratic programs. Let's move on.

Well you at least chose the founders who believed in a bigger federal government, but even they would be alarmed at what the federal government is doing. Both Democrats and Republicans.

They may have been Anti-Federalists to one extent or another, but they ALL understood the dangers of an intrusives Government, as the one that they fought against (The British Crown in particuliar), and it's girth...and wanted no part of it.

For if they did? They would have been Loyalists, and in particuliar, General Washington might have fought on the other side.

But even then many of Washington's own quotes (attributed to him), would seem to circumvent your point.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Washington, Adams, Hamilton, Pickney, etc. if alive today would agree with the Democratic programs. Let's move on.

Well you at least chose the founders who believed in a bigger federal government, but even they would be alarmed at what the federal government is doing. Both Democrats and Republicans.

They may have been Anti-Federalists to one extent or another, but they ALL understood the dangers of an intrusives Government, as the one that they fought against (The British Crown in particuliar), and it's girth...and wanted no part of it.

For if they did? They would have been Loyalists, and in particuliar, General Washington might have fought on the other side.

But even then many of Washington's own quotes (attributed to him), would seem to circumvent your point.

The Anti-Federalists believed in a small government, and opposed the ratification of the Constitution. Jake named Federalists, who would have supported a bigger government than the Anti-Federalists. My point was that despite being for a bigger government they would not have been for the government we have today and would not support either party.

 

[SmellyLemmings]

well, idk if washington would have voted since he never favored political parties. and it's hard to cross-reference old leaders with politics today. thats really in the realm of "what if" than "it is".