Which group of people today would be most like our forefathers?

[xyz]

The 'founders' were the radical left in the world of their time. They established what was the standard, the 'middle' for early America. It's been downhill since then.

I really don't think they could be measured in modern standards.

Yes, they were "modern" in the sense that they did not accept the authority of the monarchy. Freedom of speech. Freedom against unlawful searches (in which they failed miserably, in particular as applied in modern times). And other freedoms.

But they accepted slavery and the genocide of the Native population.

Also, the Federalist Party did NOT become the Republican Party. The Democratic-Republican became both modern parties as its name implies. There is no modern party wanting a stronger federal government.

 

[Auld Phart]

We already know the modern day American Nazi’s belong to the Republican Party. Everybody knows that.

How so? I'm a Republican and I admire the Jews for creating an oasis of civilization in a cesspool of Islamic radicalism. Israel is a wonderful ally of ours, and the Jews are God's chosen people.

If the truth be told, you American "liberals" support people like Louis Farrakhan, the Nation of Islam, the Islamic Brotherhood, CAIR, the Palestinians, Hamas, and Hezbollah, who have much in common with 1930's German Nazis: They too wanted to wipe the Jews off the face of the earth, as your radical buddies do. You sure raised hell when President Trump wanted a travel ban from certain Jew-hating Muslim countries, didn't you?

Hell, that Turd-Burglar Barack Obama actually gave billions of dollars to the Iranians, which ya'll still defend to this very day.

I don’t support Louis Farrakhan. I don’t know anybody that does. Or any of those other groups that you’re talking about.

But I know David Duke says if you don’t vote Republican and you don’t vote for Donald Trump then you’re a traitor and David dukes is the head of the KKK and a member of the American Nazi party.

In fact if you do a Google search of Nazis and white nationalist running for office. You’ll find they all run as Republicans. All of them.

Duke isn't the "head of" the KKK. It doesn't have one. Duke invented his own Klan chapter and crowned himself Grand Wankball or whatever but that's playing dress-up. Before that he was a Nazi. After that he was a parish Republican party chair and a state legislator. The actual Klan hasn't had a head since 1944 when it officially dissolved.

Duke also sued the city of New Orleans years ago when it moved the Liberty Place Monument, celebrating the white coup d'êtat of 1874 by one of the other Klan-like groups called the White League, to try to make them put it back in its prominent perch on Canal Street, the most visible high-traffic spot in the city. That was the first monument New Orleans finally took down in the Confederate monument removals of 2017.

Duke was also of course in Charlottesville chastizing Rump for his initial evenhanded commentary, goading him with "remember who voted for you", after which Rump obediently started ranting about "very fine people".

n
and that was all after he ran for President as a Democrat, correct?

Which part?

Duke attempted to run in the Democratic primaries in 1988, got nowhere and switched to Republican the same year and yet got the nomination from something called the Populist Party. Having failed that run he ran for a state house seat the following year in a special election ('89, as a Republican) and won, the only office he ever won. One of his proposals was that welfare recipients should be drug tested, which later gained traction elsewhere in conservative/statist circles. In 1990 and 1991 he ran for Senator and Governor, respectively, then in 1992 entered the Republican Presidential primaries. Then 1996 for Senate again, 1999 for a US House seat, lost 'em all.

In 2000 Dukey aimed at the Presidency again, this time with the Reform Party, and at the time Donald Rump disengaged from that party, citing Duke by name as the type with which he "did not wish to be associated" --- and then early in 2016 the self-described world's greatest memory claimed not to know who Dukey even is, after pointing him out by name in 2000.

Next time Dukey actually ran for anything was 2016 when he tried a third time for the Senate. He lost but the interesting factoid from that experience was that during that race while both the Senate and the Presidency were in campaign, Dukey the self-made Klansman was pulling more support from black voters in Louisiana than Rump was.

Preaching to the choir.


I get a bit annoyed when posters only bring up his affiliations with the Republican party, and ignore the rest of his history

 

[harmonica]

I don't think I've seen a thread of yours that makes sense

 

[regent]

Many parts of Europe and the English colonies in America were going through a large. change in the . The change was taking place in religion, and politics. Governments came into question along with the Church. Did God appoint the kings rulers and so on. It was the Age of Enlightenment. Science, had started and modern medicine was born. The AGE made tremendous changes and in that change American was created with new concepts: Man, Religion, Science, Politics and other areas. Our Declaration of Independence, Constitution, our government reflect that new Age. Today many governments try to make their citizens the new kings and noble class and it frightens some.

 

[whitehall]

What does the phrase "most like" mean to the radical left? Granted they don't give much thought to their child like wistful posts but experience tells us that the radical left is mostly concerned with skin color. In that case it's not hard to pick a politician that resembles red haired Thomas Jefferson. Politically speaking the Founders were liberals but in the last two hundred years the term "liberal" has been reversed. Today's liberals are out to destroy the fabric of society and dismantle the Constitution.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

The firearm extremists always claim the armed forces would be on their side if arms were to be confiscated Yet, the same armed forces would support an "oppressive" government. Not very consistent.
Fortunately, the argument is moot, since nothing in our lifetime will change the Second Amendment.

A Government that takes away your Constitutional rights is an oppressive one.

 

[Pogo]

Which group of people today would be most like our forefathers?

I know Republicans of today just assume it would be white farmers and white coal miners and white laborers and those are the people that started this country.

But if you actually go through the people involved at the time, you would find them to be what passed as the wealthy, the elite, scientists, and so on.

No farmer today could actually write the Declaration of Independence or the Bill of Rights or the Constitution or any of the documents this country is founded on.

Those had to be written by seasoned and professional lawyers and intellectuals.

Today, what we call “liberals”.

Actually they were called Liberals then. Still are.
That was the whole point.

They supported individual liberty and fought against an all powerful government. Anyway, dont you keep telling us that "the Parties switched sides"?

I don't, no. That phraseology is far too simplistic -- besides which I haven't been commenting on "political parties" anyway.

Those two party did indeed swap places, and constituents, on a few crucial areas. But that's got nothing to do with what "Liberals" are.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Which group of people today would be most like our forefathers?

I know Republicans of today just assume it would be white farmers and white coal miners and white laborers and those are the people that started this country.

But if you actually go through the people involved at the time, you would find them to be what passed as the wealthy, the elite, scientists, and so on.

No farmer today could actually write the Declaration of Independence or the Bill of Rights or the Constitution or any of the documents this country is founded on.

Those had to be written by seasoned and professional lawyers and intellectuals.

Today, what we call “liberals”.

So you telling us liberals support slavery and hates women


Glad you admit it

.

 

[regent]

The firearm extremists always claim the armed forces would be on their side if arms were to be confiscated Yet, the same armed forces would support an "oppressive" government. Not very consistent.
Fortunately, the argument is moot, since nothing in our lifetime will change the Second Amendment.

A Government that takes away your Constitutional rights is an oppressive one.

The government took away the Constitutional right to own slaves. How oppressive can a government get?


















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right to own slaves

 

[there4eyeM]

Many parts of Europe and the English colonies in America were going through a large. change in the . The change was taking place in religion, and politics. Governments came into question along with the Church. Did God appoint the kings rulers and so on. It was the Age of Enlightenment. Science, had started and modern medicine was born. The AGE made tremendous changes and in that change American was created with new concepts: Man, Religion, Science, Politics and other areas. Our Declaration of Independence, Constitution, our government reflect that new Age. Today many governments try to make their citizens the new kings and noble class and it frightens some.

"Today many governments try to make their citizens the new kings and noble class and it frightens some." Explanation?

 

[Pogo]

How so? I'm a Republican and I admire the Jews for creating an oasis of civilization in a cesspool of Islamic radicalism. Israel is a wonderful ally of ours, and the Jews are God's chosen people.

If the truth be told, you American "liberals" support people like Louis Farrakhan, the Nation of Islam, the Islamic Brotherhood, CAIR, the Palestinians, Hamas, and Hezbollah, who have much in common with 1930's German Nazis: They too wanted to wipe the Jews off the face of the earth, as your radical buddies do. You sure raised hell when President Trump wanted a travel ban from certain Jew-hating Muslim countries, didn't you?

Hell, that Turd-Burglar Barack Obama actually gave billions of dollars to the Iranians, which ya'll still defend to this very day.

I don’t support Louis Farrakhan. I don’t know anybody that does. Or any of those other groups that you’re talking about.

But I know David Duke says if you don’t vote Republican and you don’t vote for Donald Trump then you’re a traitor and David dukes is the head of the KKK and a member of the American Nazi party.

In fact if you do a Google search of Nazis and white nationalist running for office. You’ll find they all run as Republicans. All of them.

Duke isn't the "head of" the KKK. It doesn't have one. Duke invented his own Klan chapter and crowned himself Grand Wankball or whatever but that's playing dress-up. Before that he was a Nazi. After that he was a parish Republican party chair and a state legislator. The actual Klan hasn't had a head since 1944 when it officially dissolved.

Duke also sued the city of New Orleans years ago when it moved the Liberty Place Monument, celebrating the white coup d'êtat of 1874 by one of the other Klan-like groups called the White League, to try to make them put it back in its prominent perch on Canal Street, the most visible high-traffic spot in the city. That was the first monument New Orleans finally took down in the Confederate monument removals of 2017.

Duke was also of course in Charlottesville chastizing Rump for his initial evenhanded commentary, goading him with "remember who voted for you", after which Rump obediently started ranting about "very fine people".

n
and that was all after he ran for President as a Democrat, correct?

Which part?

Duke attempted to run in the Democratic primaries in 1988, got nowhere and switched to Republican the same year and yet got the nomination from something called the Populist Party. Having failed that run he ran for a state house seat the following year in a special election ('89, as a Republican) and won, the only office he ever won. One of his proposals was that welfare recipients should be drug tested, which later gained traction elsewhere in conservative/statist circles. In 1990 and 1991 he ran for Senator and Governor, respectively, then in 1992 entered the Republican Presidential primaries. Then 1996 for Senate again, 1999 for a US House seat, lost 'em all.

In 2000 Dukey aimed at the Presidency again, this time with the Reform Party, and at the time Donald Rump disengaged from that party, citing Duke by name as the type with which he "did not wish to be associated" --- and then early in 2016 the self-described world's greatest memory claimed not to know who Dukey even is, after pointing him out by name in 2000.

Next time Dukey actually ran for anything was 2016 when he tried a third time for the Senate. He lost but the interesting factoid from that experience was that during that race while both the Senate and the Presidency were in campaign, Dukey the self-made Klansman was pulling more support from black voters in Louisiana than Rump was.

Preaching to the choir.


I get a bit annoyed when posters only bring up his affiliations with the Republican party, and ignore the rest of his history

Whatever. It's not a "preach"; it's his résumé -- which includes four different political parties, the Klan, the Nazis and his own creation the NAAWP. Affiliation with this or that political party isn't some kind of infection that taints the whole organization --- that would be a Composition Fallacy. But it is instructive to assess where somebody thinks their appeal lies.

Actually I just took that tangent to correct the "head of the Klan" bit and put it in context.

 

[regent]

Many parts of Europe and the English colonies in America were going through a large. change in the . The change was taking place in religion, and politics. Governments came into question along with the Church. Did God appoint the kings rulers and so on. It was the Age of Enlightenment. Science, had started and modern medicine was born. The AGE made tremendous changes and in that change American was created with new concepts: Man, Religion, Science, Politics and other areas. Our Declaration of Independence, Constitution, our government reflect that new Age. Today many governments try to make their citizens the new kings and noble class and it frightens some.

"Today many governments try to make their citizens the new kings and noble class and it frightens some." Explanation?

The monarchy and nobles ruled and they were the recipients of government largess, but as ordinary citizens were given rights and the vote, the welfare of the people took on more importance and government began to cater to ordinary citizens, and we began to hear cries of socialism, welfare, government schools and other terms.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Which group of people today would be most like our forefathers?

I know Republicans of today just assume it would be white farmers and white coal miners and white laborers and those are the people that started this country.

But if you actually go through the people involved at the time, you would find them to be what passed as the wealthy, the elite, scientists, and so on.

No farmer today could actually write the Declaration of Independence or the Bill of Rights or the Constitution or any of the documents this country is founded on.

Those had to be written by seasoned and professional lawyers and intellectuals.

Today, what we call “liberals”.

Actually they were called Liberals then. Still are.
That was the whole point.

They supported individual liberty and fought against an all powerful government. Anyway, dont you keep telling us that "the Parties switched sides"?

I don't, no. That phraseology is far too simplistic -- besides which I haven't been commenting on "political parties" anyway.

Those two party did indeed swap places, and constituents, on a few crucial areas. But that's got nothing to do with what "Liberals" are.

They voted for switching sides before they voted against it

 

[deanrd]

Which group of people today would be most like our forefathers?

I know Republicans of today just assume it would be white farmers and white coal miners and white laborers and those are the people that started this country.

But if you actually go through the people involved at the time, you would find them to be what passed as the wealthy, the elite, scientists, and so on.

No farmer today could actually write the Declaration of Independence or the Bill of Rights or the Constitution or any of the documents this country is founded on.

Those had to be written by seasoned and professional lawyers and intellectuals.

Today, what we call “liberals”.

........still have not found those mythical intelligent and compassionate Liberals

That's just hilarious from a right winger who thinks a "wall" is "hi tech".

 

[CrusaderFrank]

So the group that used the FBI to spy on a political opponent - and applauds! thinks they're just like the group that booted the British for hanging around the Post Office.

Deany, were you standing on your head when you wrote the OP?

 

[deanrd]

So the group that used the FBI to spy on a political opponent - and applauds! thinks they're just like the group that booted the British for hanging around the Post Office.

Deany, were you standing on your head when you wrote the OP?

'scuse me.

I'll speak again once Trump is finished.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Which group of people today would be most like our forefathers?

I know Republicans of today just assume it would be white farmers and white coal miners and white laborers and those are the people that started this country.

But if you actually go through the people involved at the time, you would find them to be what passed as the wealthy, the elite, scientists, and so on.

No farmer today could actually write the Declaration of Independence or the Bill of Rights or the Constitution or any of the documents this country is founded on.

Those had to be written by seasoned and professional lawyers and intellectuals.

Today, what we call “liberals”.

Did you see this?

Education in America Part I: The Founders

 

[DOTR]

The term "liberal" is an over-used descriptor. I prefer to call them Neo-Marxists, leftists, or secular-progressive communists.

And that's at least four different things, probably five.

Words have meanings and meanings are not negotiable. PICK one.

A commie by any other name is still a commie. Even a "Democratic Socialist."

Communists are what Russia used to be.

When Vladimir Putin was head of the KGB.

That would make Republicans more like communists than the Democrats.

Since Vladimir Putin is Donald Trump‘s boss.

The last time Democrats liked Russia was when it was communist. They have never forgiven them for overthrowing communism.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Which group of people today would be most like our forefathers?

I know Republicans of today just assume it would be white farmers and white coal miners and white laborers and those are the people that started this country.

But if you actually go through the people involved at the time, you would find them to be what passed as the wealthy, the elite, scientists, and so on.

No farmer today could actually write the Declaration of Independence or the Bill of Rights or the Constitution or any of the documents this country is founded on.

Those had to be written by seasoned and professional lawyers and intellectuals.

Today, what we call “liberals”.

The Jews. My people. Intellectuals, doctors, lawyers, bankers.

And this is how your retarded party treats my people.

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Haha, good one.

The Founding Fathers were for a White nation with unprecendented gun rights, and represented taxes, and Jewish Americans?????????

 

[there4eyeM]

The 'founders' had inspiration from great thinkers. They came up with some good ideas. There was still a lot they didn't know, didn't understand and didn't do right. They left documents that could address change. Today, much that they didn't or couldn't deal with looks obvious to us. We can't judge them from that perspective, but we can do things now, for us, from our perspective. That led to votes for women, ending slavery, breaking up monopolies and other good things. War power acts, outlandish lobbying, unthinkable campaign spending and invasion of privacy are some examples of negative things.
Who should lead today? Minds as great, as instructed, as inspired as the 'founders'.
Where are they?