Which Came First Creation Or Evolution?

[edthecynic]

Just because the universe reaches thermal equilibrium does not mean there is no more energy...It just won’t be usable energy that can perform work.

That violates the TLoT, there is NO temperature at which there is no kinetic energy, the energy of motion, the energy that does work.

How many times are you going to post the same LIE??????

 

[boedicca]

The correct answer:

The turtles came first.

All the way down.

 

[edthecynic]

The answer is... ~14 billion years ago it was created through a quantum tunneling event according to the laws of conservation and quantum mechanics which existed before space and time.

That is a BULLSHIT answer.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The burden of proof rests on the person who doesn't wish to go to hell.

You can take your disgusting, arrogant threats and cram them up your ***.

 

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Just because the universe reaches thermal equilibrium does not mean there is no more energy...It just won’t be usable energy that can perform work.

That violates the TLoT, there is NO temperature at which there is no kinetic energy, the energy of motion, the energy that does work.

How many times are you going to post the same LIE??????

The second law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of an isolated system never decreases. Such systems spontaneously evolve towards thermodynamic equilibrium. A thermodynamic system in its own state of internal thermodynamic equilibrium has a spatially uniform temperature. The second law of thermodynamics states that every energy transfer increases the entropy of the universe due to the loss of usable energy. During energy transfer, some amount of energy is lost in the form of unusable heat energy. Because energy is lost in an unusable form, no energy transfer is completely efficient. The more energy that is lost by a system to its surroundings, the less ordered and more random the system is. Entropy is a measure of randomness and disorder; high entropy means high disorder and low energy. Thermal equilibrium only requires that temperature differences or other processes may no longer be exploited to perform work. This is when the universe reaches maximum entropy.

 

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The answer is... ~14 billion years ago it was created through a quantum tunneling event according to the laws of conservation and quantum mechanics which existed before space and time.

That is a BULLSHIT answer.

Red shift, cosmic background radiation and Friedman's solutions to Einstein's field equations say otherwise.

It is possible for matter to have a beginning. In a closed universe the gravitational energy which is always negative exactly compensates the positive energy of matter. So the energy of a closed universe is always zero. So nothing prevents this universe from being spontaneously created. Because the net energy is always zero. The positive energy of matter is balanced by the negative energy of the gravity of that matter which is the space time curvature of that matter. There is no conservation law that prevents the formation of such a universe. In quantum mechanics if something is not forbidden by conservation laws, then it necessarily happens with some non-zero probability. So a closed universe can spontaneously appear - through the laws of quantum mechanics - out of nothing. And in fact there is an elegant mathematical description which describes this process and shows that a tiny closed universe having very high energy can spontaneously pop into existence and immediately start to expand and cool. In this description, the same laws that describe the evolution of the universe also describe the appearance of the universe which means that the laws were in place before the universe itself.

 

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Just because the universe reaches thermal equilibrium does not mean there is no more energy...It just won’t be usable energy that can perform work.

That violates the TLoT, there is NO temperature at which there is no kinetic energy, the energy of motion, the energy that does work.

How many times are you going to post the same LIE??????

Actually it doesn't violate TLoT. It is only mathematically impossible to reach absolute zero when restricted to finite time and resources. We are talking about infinity. So therefore, it is not possible for the universe to last an infinite amount of time without reaching thermal equilibrium.

Why? Because the universe has been cooling ever since it began expanding. Heat flows from hotter objects to cooler objects. Thermal equilibrium does not imply any particular absolute temperature; it only requires that temperature differences or other processes may no longer be exploited to perform work.

 

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[edthecynic]

Just because the universe reaches thermal equilibrium does not mean there is no more energy...It just won’t be usable energy that can perform work.

That violates the TLoT, there is NO temperature at which there is no kinetic energy, the energy of motion, the energy that does work.

How many times are you going to post the same LIE??????

The second law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of an isolated system never decreases. Such systems spontaneously evolve towards thermodynamic equilibrium. A thermodynamic system in its own state of internal thermodynamic equilibrium has a spatially uniform temperature. The second law of thermodynamics states that every energy transfer increases the entropy of the universe due to the loss of usable energy. During energy transfer, some amount of energy is lost in the form of unusable heat energy. Because energy is lost in an unusable form, no energy transfer is completely efficient. The more energy that is lost by a system to its surroundings, the less ordered and more random the system is. Entropy is a measure of randomness and disorder; high entropy means high disorder and low energy. Thermal equilibrium only requires that temperature differences or other processes may no longer be exploited to perform work. This is when the universe reaches maximum entropy.

Repeating the same lie does not make it any less a lie, it only makes you a serial liar made in the image of your God.

 

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Just because the universe reaches thermal equilibrium does not mean there is no more energy...It just won’t be usable energy that can perform work.

That violates the TLoT, there is NO temperature at which there is no kinetic energy, the energy of motion, the energy that does work.

How many times are you going to post the same LIE??????

The second law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of an isolated system never decreases. Such systems spontaneously evolve towards thermodynamic equilibrium. A thermodynamic system in its own state of internal thermodynamic equilibrium has a spatially uniform temperature. The second law of thermodynamics states that every energy transfer increases the entropy of the universe due to the loss of usable energy. During energy transfer, some amount of energy is lost in the form of unusable heat energy. Because energy is lost in an unusable form, no energy transfer is completely efficient. The more energy that is lost by a system to its surroundings, the less ordered and more random the system is. Entropy is a measure of randomness and disorder; high entropy means high disorder and low energy. Thermal equilibrium only requires that temperature differences or other processes may no longer be exploited to perform work. This is when the universe reaches maximum entropy.

Repeating the same lie does not make it any less a lie, it only makes you a serial liar made in the image of your God.

You misspelled explaining things in easy to understand language makes Ed look stupid.

 

[edthecynic]

It is only mathematically impossible to reach absolute zero

No it is physically impossible to reach absolute zero, and scientists have been trying and failing every time they try.
It is only mathematically possible to reach thermal equilibrium, NOT physically, but you knew that already, you just love to repeat your lies.

 

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Just because the universe reaches thermal equilibrium does not mean there is no more energy...It just won’t be usable energy that can perform work.

That violates the TLoT, there is NO temperature at which there is no kinetic energy, the energy of motion, the energy that does work.

How many times are you going to post the same LIE??????

The second law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of an isolated system never decreases. Such systems spontaneously evolve towards thermodynamic equilibrium. A thermodynamic system in its own state of internal thermodynamic equilibrium has a spatially uniform temperature. The second law of thermodynamics states that every energy transfer increases the entropy of the universe due to the loss of usable energy. During energy transfer, some amount of energy is lost in the form of unusable heat energy. Because energy is lost in an unusable form, no energy transfer is completely efficient. The more energy that is lost by a system to its surroundings, the less ordered and more random the system is. Entropy is a measure of randomness and disorder; high entropy means high disorder and low energy. Thermal equilibrium only requires that temperature differences or other processes may no longer be exploited to perform work. This is when the universe reaches maximum entropy.

Repeating the same lie does not make it any less a lie, it only makes you a serial liar made in the image of your God.

Hey Ed, does heat flow from hotter objects to cooler objects?

 

[edthecynic]

Just because the universe reaches thermal equilibrium does not mean there is no more energy...It just won’t be usable energy that can perform work.

That violates the TLoT, there is NO temperature at which there is no kinetic energy, the energy of motion, the energy that does work.

How many times are you going to post the same LIE??????

The second law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of an isolated system never decreases. Such systems spontaneously evolve towards thermodynamic equilibrium. A thermodynamic system in its own state of internal thermodynamic equilibrium has a spatially uniform temperature. The second law of thermodynamics states that every energy transfer increases the entropy of the universe due to the loss of usable energy. During energy transfer, some amount of energy is lost in the form of unusable heat energy. Because energy is lost in an unusable form, no energy transfer is completely efficient. The more energy that is lost by a system to its surroundings, the less ordered and more random the system is. Entropy is a measure of randomness and disorder; high entropy means high disorder and low energy. Thermal equilibrium only requires that temperature differences or other processes may no longer be exploited to perform work. This is when the universe reaches maximum entropy.

Repeating the same lie does not make it any less a lie, it only makes you a serial liar made in the image of your God.

Hey Ed, does heat flow from hotter objects to cooler objects?

At what temperature does all motion stop?

 

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It is only mathematically impossible to reach absolute zero

No it is physically impossible to reach absolute zero, and scientists have been trying and failing every time they try.
It is only mathematically possible to reach thermal equilibrium, NOT physically, but you knew that already, you just love to repeat your lies.

That is incorrect. It is only mathematically impossible when restricted by finite time and resources. Look it up. This is me winning.

 

[ding]

Just because the universe reaches thermal equilibrium does not mean there is no more energy...It just won’t be usable energy that can perform work.

That violates the TLoT, there is NO temperature at which there is no kinetic energy, the energy of motion, the energy that does work.

How many times are you going to post the same LIE??????

The second law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of an isolated system never decreases. Such systems spontaneously evolve towards thermodynamic equilibrium. A thermodynamic system in its own state of internal thermodynamic equilibrium has a spatially uniform temperature. The second law of thermodynamics states that every energy transfer increases the entropy of the universe due to the loss of usable energy. During energy transfer, some amount of energy is lost in the form of unusable heat energy. Because energy is lost in an unusable form, no energy transfer is completely efficient. The more energy that is lost by a system to its surroundings, the less ordered and more random the system is. Entropy is a measure of randomness and disorder; high entropy means high disorder and low energy. Thermal equilibrium only requires that temperature differences or other processes may no longer be exploited to perform work. This is when the universe reaches maximum entropy.

Repeating the same lie does not make it any less a lie, it only makes you a serial liar made in the image of your God.

Hey Ed, does heat flow from hotter objects to cooler objects?

At what temperature does all motion stop?

Motion is not the measure. Thermodynamic equilibrium occurs when a spatially uniform temperature is achieved. Thermal equilibrium only requires that temperature differences or other processes may no longer be exploited to perform work. And since we are no where near this point, the universe has not existed forever. That's why everyone who understands cosmology accepts that the universe is approximately 14 billion years old.

 

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Just because the universe reaches thermal equilibrium does not mean there is no more energy...It just won’t be usable energy that can perform work.

That violates the TLoT, there is NO temperature at which there is no kinetic energy, the energy of motion, the energy that does work.

How many times are you going to post the same LIE??????

The second law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of an isolated system never decreases. Such systems spontaneously evolve towards thermodynamic equilibrium. A thermodynamic system in its own state of internal thermodynamic equilibrium has a spatially uniform temperature. The second law of thermodynamics states that every energy transfer increases the entropy of the universe due to the loss of usable energy. During energy transfer, some amount of energy is lost in the form of unusable heat energy. Because energy is lost in an unusable form, no energy transfer is completely efficient. The more energy that is lost by a system to its surroundings, the less ordered and more random the system is. Entropy is a measure of randomness and disorder; high entropy means high disorder and low energy. Thermal equilibrium only requires that temperature differences or other processes may no longer be exploited to perform work. This is when the universe reaches maximum entropy.

Repeating the same lie does not make it any less a lie, it only makes you a serial liar made in the image of your God.

Hey Ed, does heat flow from hotter objects to cooler objects?

At what temperature does all motion stop?

Will the universe continue to cool?

 

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Hey Ed, how old do you think the universe is?

 

[edthecynic]

It is only mathematically impossible to reach absolute zero

No it is physically impossible to reach absolute zero, and scientists have been trying and failing every time they try.
It is only mathematically possible to reach thermal equilibrium, NOT physically, but you knew that already, you just love to repeat your lies.

That is incorrect. It is only mathematically impossible when restricted by finite time and resources. Look it up. This is me winning.

Winning? You can't even read!!!!

 

[ding]

It is only mathematically impossible to reach absolute zero

No it is physically impossible to reach absolute zero, and scientists have been trying and failing every time they try.
It is only mathematically possible to reach thermal equilibrium, NOT physically, but you knew that already, you just love to repeat your lies.

That is incorrect. It is only mathematically impossible when restricted by finite time and resources. Look it up. This is me winning.

Winning? You can't even read!!!!

How old do you believe the universe is, Ed?