Which Came First Creation Or Evolution?

[edthecynic]

That violates the TLoT, there is NO temperature at which there is no kinetic energy, the energy of motion, the energy that does work.

How many times are you going to post the same LIE??????

The second law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of an isolated system never decreases. Such systems spontaneously evolve towards thermodynamic equilibrium. A thermodynamic system in its own state of internal thermodynamic equilibrium has a spatially uniform temperature. The second law of thermodynamics states that every energy transfer increases the entropy of the universe due to the loss of usable energy. During energy transfer, some amount of energy is lost in the form of unusable heat energy. Because energy is lost in an unusable form, no energy transfer is completely efficient. The more energy that is lost by a system to its surroundings, the less ordered and more random the system is. Entropy is a measure of randomness and disorder; high entropy means high disorder and low energy. Thermal equilibrium only requires that temperature differences or other processes may no longer be exploited to perform work. This is when the universe reaches maximum entropy.

Repeating the same lie does not make it any less a lie, it only makes you a serial liar made in the image of your God.

Hey Ed, does heat flow from hotter objects to cooler objects?

At what temperature does all motion stop?

Motion is not the measure. Thermodynamic equilibrium occurs when a spatially uniform temperature is achieved. Thermal equilibrium only requires that temperature differences or other processes may no longer be exploited to perform work. And since we are no where near this point, the universe has not existed forever. That's why everyone who understands cosmology accepts that the universe is approximately 14 billion years old.

Motion IS the result of work!!!!!
The only way energy can no longer be exploited to do work is when all motion stops.
work = force x distance

 

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The second law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of an isolated system never decreases. Such systems spontaneously evolve towards thermodynamic equilibrium. A thermodynamic system in its own state of internal thermodynamic equilibrium has a spatially uniform temperature. The second law of thermodynamics states that every energy transfer increases the entropy of the universe due to the loss of usable energy. During energy transfer, some amount of energy is lost in the form of unusable heat energy. Because energy is lost in an unusable form, no energy transfer is completely efficient. The more energy that is lost by a system to its surroundings, the less ordered and more random the system is. Entropy is a measure of randomness and disorder; high entropy means high disorder and low energy. Thermal equilibrium only requires that temperature differences or other processes may no longer be exploited to perform work. This is when the universe reaches maximum entropy.

Repeating the same lie does not make it any less a lie, it only makes you a serial liar made in the image of your God.

Hey Ed, does heat flow from hotter objects to cooler objects?

At what temperature does all motion stop?

Motion is not the measure. Thermodynamic equilibrium occurs when a spatially uniform temperature is achieved. Thermal equilibrium only requires that temperature differences or other processes may no longer be exploited to perform work. And since we are no where near this point, the universe has not existed forever. That's why everyone who understands cosmology accepts that the universe is approximately 14 billion years old.

Motion IS the result of work!!!!!
The only way energy can no longer be exploited to do work is when all motion stops.
work = force x distance

Wrong. We are talking about thermodynamics. Thermodynamic equilibrium is the state where there is no thermodynamic free energy and therefore can no longer sustain processes that increase entropy.

 

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God help us if Ed is a high school science teacher.

 

[BreezeWood]

God help us if Ed is a high school science teacher.

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what's your point bing, your monologue is instructive ... guess again.

 

[otto105]

Dr. Henry Morris, states, "One question remains. Assuming Satan to be the real source of the evolutionary concept, how did it originate in his mind? . . . A possible answer to this mystery could be that Satan, the father of lies, has not only deceived the whole world and the angelic hosts who followed him--he has even deceived himself! The only way he could really know about creation (just as the only way we can know about creation) was for God to tell him! . . . . He refused to believe and accept the Word of God concerning his own creation and place in God's economy . . . He therefore deceived himself into supposing that all things, including himself and including God, had been evolved by natural processes out of the primordial stuff of the universe. . . ." (Morris, Troubled Waters of Evolution, 1974, pp 74-75)."

He is correct in stating that we know about creation through the Bible or God's Word. Evolution came afterward as we see during the times of Paul, the Epicureans and Stoics.

http://www.huecotanks.com/debunk/devil.htm

"The Theory of Biological Evolution is most often associated with Charles Darwin, because it was Charles Darwin that proposed the mechanism of natural selection and accompanied that proposition with a large volume of empirical data providing evidence for biological evolution.

Darwin was not, however, the first person to propose an evolutionary explanation for the diversity of life on earth. In fact, evolutionary concepts about life date far back into history and arose in many different cultures. The Greeks developed a concept of evolution over 2,300 years ago that was basically equivalent to that of Charles Darwin's, but the early Christians opposed the idea and destroyed all of the works that promoted it or any other naturalistic explanations for earthly phenomena."

Understanding Evolution: History, Theory, Evidence, and Implictions

ETA: Both of my sources are atheist, so they could be lying. Still, the first one brings up an interesting question. We find science backs up the Bible, but science doesn't back up evolution. Thus, the first one is the truth and not the myth.

Evolution by about 4 billion years.

 

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Dr. Henry Morris, states, "One question remains. Assuming Satan to be the real source of the evolutionary concept, how did it originate in his mind? . . . A possible answer to this mystery could be that Satan, the father of lies, has not only deceived the whole world and the angelic hosts who followed him--he has even deceived himself! The only way he could really know about creation (just as the only way we can know about creation) was for God to tell him! . . . . He refused to believe and accept the Word of God concerning his own creation and place in God's economy . . . He therefore deceived himself into supposing that all things, including himself and including God, had been evolved by natural processes out of the primordial stuff of the universe. . . ." (Morris, Troubled Waters of Evolution, 1974, pp 74-75)."

He is correct in stating that we know about creation through the Bible or God's Word. Evolution came afterward as we see during the times of Paul, the Epicureans and Stoics.

http://www.huecotanks.com/debunk/devil.htm

"The Theory of Biological Evolution is most often associated with Charles Darwin, because it was Charles Darwin that proposed the mechanism of natural selection and accompanied that proposition with a large volume of empirical data providing evidence for biological evolution.

Darwin was not, however, the first person to propose an evolutionary explanation for the diversity of life on earth. In fact, evolutionary concepts about life date far back into history and arose in many different cultures. The Greeks developed a concept of evolution over 2,300 years ago that was basically equivalent to that of Charles Darwin's, but the early Christians opposed the idea and destroyed all of the works that promoted it or any other naturalistic explanations for earthly phenomena."

Understanding Evolution: History, Theory, Evidence, and Implictions

ETA: Both of my sources are atheist, so they could be lying. Still, the first one brings up an interesting question. We find science backs up the Bible, but science doesn't back up evolution. Thus, the first one is the truth and not the myth.

Evolution by about 4 billion years.

The universe was created ~14 billion years ago. Shortly after it was created matter and energy began to evolve. So I am going to give the nod to creation by a **** hair.

 

[edthecynic]

Repeating the same lie does not make it any less a lie, it only makes you a serial liar made in the image of your God.

Hey Ed, does heat flow from hotter objects to cooler objects?

At what temperature does all motion stop?

Motion is not the measure. Thermodynamic equilibrium occurs when a spatially uniform temperature is achieved. Thermal equilibrium only requires that temperature differences or other processes may no longer be exploited to perform work. And since we are no where near this point, the universe has not existed forever. That's why everyone who understands cosmology accepts that the universe is approximately 14 billion years old.

Motion IS the result of work!!!!!
The only way energy can no longer be exploited to do work is when all motion stops.
work = force x distance

Wrong. We are talking about thermodynamics. Thermodynamic equilibrium is the state where there is no thermodynamic free energy and therefore can no longer sustain processes that increase entropy.

Changing the wording of your lie does not make it any less a lie, but it does show that even you see your lie desperately needs modification to maintain your deception. So I must have explained things in an easy enough language for even YOU to understand!!!!

You misspelled explaining things in easy to understand language makes Ed look stupid.

 

[edthecynic]

God help us if Ed is a high school science teacher.

Yeah, then students would be able to see through your lies, and that scares the living shit out of you!!!

 

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Hey Ed, does heat flow from hotter objects to cooler objects?

At what temperature does all motion stop?

Motion is not the measure. Thermodynamic equilibrium occurs when a spatially uniform temperature is achieved. Thermal equilibrium only requires that temperature differences or other processes may no longer be exploited to perform work. And since we are no where near this point, the universe has not existed forever. That's why everyone who understands cosmology accepts that the universe is approximately 14 billion years old.

Motion IS the result of work!!!!!
The only way energy can no longer be exploited to do work is when all motion stops.
work = force x distance

Wrong. We are talking about thermodynamics. Thermodynamic equilibrium is the state where there is no thermodynamic free energy and therefore can no longer sustain processes that increase entropy.

Changing the wording of your lie does not make it any less a lie, but it does show that even you see your lie desperately needs modification to maintain your deception. So I must have explained things in an easy enough language for even YOU to understand!!!!

You misspelled explaining things in easy to understand language makes Ed look stupid.

Ed, we are discussing thermodynamics. In thermodynamics, thermodynamic equilibrium is the state where there is no thermodynamic free energy and therefore can no longer sustain processes that increase entropy. The second law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of an isolated system never decreases. Such systems spontaneously evolve towards thermodynamic equilibrium. A thermodynamic system in its own state of internal thermodynamic equilibrium has a spatially uniform temperature. The second law of thermodynamics states that every energy transfer increases the entropy of the universe due to the loss of usable energy. During energy transfer, some amount of energy is lost in the form of unusable heat energy. Because energy is lost in an unusable form, no energy transfer is completely efficient. The more energy that is lost by a system to its surroundings, the less ordered and more random the system is. Entropy is a measure of randomness and disorder; high entropy means high disorder and low energy. Thermal equilibrium only requires that temperature differences or other processes may no longer be exploited to perform work. This is when the universe reaches maximum entropy. You lose.

 

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God help us if Ed is a high school science teacher.

Yeah, then students would be able to see through your lies, and that scares the living shit out of you!!!

How old do you believe the universe is, Ed. I notice you keep avoiding this question. Don't be afraid.

 

[edthecynic]

At what temperature does all motion stop?

Motion is not the measure. Thermodynamic equilibrium occurs when a spatially uniform temperature is achieved. Thermal equilibrium only requires that temperature differences or other processes may no longer be exploited to perform work. And since we are no where near this point, the universe has not existed forever. That's why everyone who understands cosmology accepts that the universe is approximately 14 billion years old.

Motion IS the result of work!!!!!
The only way energy can no longer be exploited to do work is when all motion stops.
work = force x distance

Wrong. We are talking about thermodynamics. Thermodynamic equilibrium is the state where there is no thermodynamic free energy and therefore can no longer sustain processes that increase entropy.

Changing the wording of your lie does not make it any less a lie, but it does show that even you see your lie desperately needs modification to maintain your deception. So I must have explained things in an easy enough language for even YOU to understand!!!!

You misspelled explaining things in easy to understand language makes Ed look stupid.

Ed, we are discussing thermodynamics. In thermodynamics, thermodynamic equilibrium is the state where there is no thermodynamic free energy and therefore can no longer sustain processes that increase entropy. The second law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of an isolated system never decreases. Such systems spontaneously evolve towards thermodynamic equilibrium. A thermodynamic system in its own state of internal thermodynamic equilibrium has a spatially uniform temperature. The second law of thermodynamics states that every energy transfer increases the entropy of the universe due to the loss of usable energy. During energy transfer, some amount of energy is lost in the form of unusable heat energy. Because energy is lost in an unusable form, no energy transfer is completely efficient. The more energy that is lost by a system to its surroundings, the less ordered and more random the system is. Entropy is a measure of randomness and disorder; high entropy means high disorder and low energy. Thermal equilibrium only requires that temperature differences or other processes may no longer be exploited to perform work. This is when the universe reaches maximum entropy. You lose.

You are too Stupid to know what you are discussing!!!

 

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Motion is not the measure. Thermodynamic equilibrium occurs when a spatially uniform temperature is achieved. Thermal equilibrium only requires that temperature differences or other processes may no longer be exploited to perform work. And since we are no where near this point, the universe has not existed forever. That's why everyone who understands cosmology accepts that the universe is approximately 14 billion years old.

Motion IS the result of work!!!!!
The only way energy can no longer be exploited to do work is when all motion stops.
work = force x distance

Wrong. We are talking about thermodynamics. Thermodynamic equilibrium is the state where there is no thermodynamic free energy and therefore can no longer sustain processes that increase entropy.

Changing the wording of your lie does not make it any less a lie, but it does show that even you see your lie desperately needs modification to maintain your deception. So I must have explained things in an easy enough language for even YOU to understand!!!!

You misspelled explaining things in easy to understand language makes Ed look stupid.

Ed, we are discussing thermodynamics. In thermodynamics, thermodynamic equilibrium is the state where there is no thermodynamic free energy and therefore can no longer sustain processes that increase entropy. The second law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of an isolated system never decreases. Such systems spontaneously evolve towards thermodynamic equilibrium. A thermodynamic system in its own state of internal thermodynamic equilibrium has a spatially uniform temperature. The second law of thermodynamics states that every energy transfer increases the entropy of the universe due to the loss of usable energy. During energy transfer, some amount of energy is lost in the form of unusable heat energy. Because energy is lost in an unusable form, no energy transfer is completely efficient. The more energy that is lost by a system to its surroundings, the less ordered and more random the system is. Entropy is a measure of randomness and disorder; high entropy means high disorder and low energy. Thermal equilibrium only requires that temperature differences or other processes may no longer be exploited to perform work. This is when the universe reaches maximum entropy. You lose.

You are too Stupid to know what you are discussing!!!

We are discussing how space and time were created through a quantum tunneling event that followed the laws of conservation and quantum mechanics. And how the second law precludes a universe from being infinite in time without reaching thermal equilibrium, which we do not see. Supporting evidence that the universe began ~14 billion years ago are cosmic background radiation which shows the signature of the big bang, red shift which shows that all points are moving away from each other, Friedman's solutions to Einstein's field equations otherwise known as general relativity and show that all matter and energy occupied the space of 1 billionth of 1 trillionth the size of a single atom and then began to expand and cool.

The best explanation for how the universe began comes from inflation theory which Stephen Hawking supports. Which tells us that it is possible for matter and energy to be created without violating the laws of conservation. In a closed universe the gravitational energy which is always negative exactly compensates the positive energy of matter. So the energy of a closed universe is always zero. So nothing prevents this universe from being spontaneously created. Because the net energy is always zero. The positive energy of matter is balanced by the negative energy of the gravity of that matter which is the space time curvature of that matter. There is no conservation law that prevents the formation of such a universe. In quantum mechanics if something is not forbidden by conservation laws, then it necessarily happens with some non-zero probability. So a closed universe can spontaneously appear - through the laws of quantum mechanics - out of nothing. And in fact there is an elegant mathematical description which describes this process and shows that a tiny closed universe having very high energy can spontaneously pop into existence and immediately start to expand and cool. In this description, the same laws that describe the evolution of the universe also describe the appearance of the universe which means that the laws were in place before the universe itself.

So it does sound like I know what I am talking about.

You? Not so much.

 

[edthecynic]

Motion IS the result of work!!!!!
The only way energy can no longer be exploited to do work is when all motion stops.
work = force x distance

Wrong. We are talking about thermodynamics. Thermodynamic equilibrium is the state where there is no thermodynamic free energy and therefore can no longer sustain processes that increase entropy.

Changing the wording of your lie does not make it any less a lie, but it does show that even you see your lie desperately needs modification to maintain your deception. So I must have explained things in an easy enough language for even YOU to understand!!!!

You misspelled explaining things in easy to understand language makes Ed look stupid.

Ed, we are discussing thermodynamics. In thermodynamics, thermodynamic equilibrium is the state where there is no thermodynamic free energy and therefore can no longer sustain processes that increase entropy. The second law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of an isolated system never decreases. Such systems spontaneously evolve towards thermodynamic equilibrium. A thermodynamic system in its own state of internal thermodynamic equilibrium has a spatially uniform temperature. The second law of thermodynamics states that every energy transfer increases the entropy of the universe due to the loss of usable energy. During energy transfer, some amount of energy is lost in the form of unusable heat energy. Because energy is lost in an unusable form, no energy transfer is completely efficient. The more energy that is lost by a system to its surroundings, the less ordered and more random the system is. Entropy is a measure of randomness and disorder; high entropy means high disorder and low energy. Thermal equilibrium only requires that temperature differences or other processes may no longer be exploited to perform work. This is when the universe reaches maximum entropy. You lose.

You are too Stupid to know what you are discussing!!!

We are discussing how space and time were created through a quantum tunneling event that followed the laws of conservation and quantum mechanics. And how the second law precludes a universe from being infinite in time without reaching thermal equilibrium, which we do not see. Supporting evidence that the universe began ~14 billion years ago are cosmic background radiation which shows the signature of the big bang, red shift which shows that all points are moving away from each other, Friedman's solutions to Einstein's field equations otherwise known as general relativity and show that all matter and energy occupied the space of 1 billionth of 1 trillionth the size of a single atom and then began to expand and cool.

The best explanation for how the universe began comes from inflation theory which Stephen Hawking supports. Which tells us that it is possible for matter and energy to be created without violating the laws of conservation. In a closed universe the gravitational energy which is always negative exactly compensates the positive energy of matter. So the energy of a closed universe is always zero. So nothing prevents this universe from being spontaneously created. Because the net energy is always zero. The positive energy of matter is balanced by the negative energy of the gravity of that matter which is the space time curvature of that matter. There is no conservation law that prevents the formation of such a universe. In quantum mechanics if something is not forbidden by conservation laws, then it necessarily happens with some non-zero probability. So a closed universe can spontaneously appear - through the laws of quantum mechanics - out of nothing. And in fact there is an elegant mathematical description which describes this process and shows that a tiny closed universe having very high energy can spontaneously pop into existence and immediately start to expand and cool. In this description, the same laws that describe the evolution of the universe also describe the appearance of the universe which means that the laws were in place before the universe itself.

So it does sound like I know what I am talking about.

You? Not so much.

Thank you for proving that you know nothing about what you are posting.

 

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Wrong. We are talking about thermodynamics. Thermodynamic equilibrium is the state where there is no thermodynamic free energy and therefore can no longer sustain processes that increase entropy.

Changing the wording of your lie does not make it any less a lie, but it does show that even you see your lie desperately needs modification to maintain your deception. So I must have explained things in an easy enough language for even YOU to understand!!!!

You misspelled explaining things in easy to understand language makes Ed look stupid.

Ed, we are discussing thermodynamics. In thermodynamics, thermodynamic equilibrium is the state where there is no thermodynamic free energy and therefore can no longer sustain processes that increase entropy. The second law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of an isolated system never decreases. Such systems spontaneously evolve towards thermodynamic equilibrium. A thermodynamic system in its own state of internal thermodynamic equilibrium has a spatially uniform temperature. The second law of thermodynamics states that every energy transfer increases the entropy of the universe due to the loss of usable energy. During energy transfer, some amount of energy is lost in the form of unusable heat energy. Because energy is lost in an unusable form, no energy transfer is completely efficient. The more energy that is lost by a system to its surroundings, the less ordered and more random the system is. Entropy is a measure of randomness and disorder; high entropy means high disorder and low energy. Thermal equilibrium only requires that temperature differences or other processes may no longer be exploited to perform work. This is when the universe reaches maximum entropy. You lose.

You are too Stupid to know what you are discussing!!!

We are discussing how space and time were created through a quantum tunneling event that followed the laws of conservation and quantum mechanics. And how the second law precludes a universe from being infinite in time without reaching thermal equilibrium, which we do not see. Supporting evidence that the universe began ~14 billion years ago are cosmic background radiation which shows the signature of the big bang, red shift which shows that all points are moving away from each other, Friedman's solutions to Einstein's field equations otherwise known as general relativity and show that all matter and energy occupied the space of 1 billionth of 1 trillionth the size of a single atom and then began to expand and cool.

The best explanation for how the universe began comes from inflation theory which Stephen Hawking supports. Which tells us that it is possible for matter and energy to be created without violating the laws of conservation. In a closed universe the gravitational energy which is always negative exactly compensates the positive energy of matter. So the energy of a closed universe is always zero. So nothing prevents this universe from being spontaneously created. Because the net energy is always zero. The positive energy of matter is balanced by the negative energy of the gravity of that matter which is the space time curvature of that matter. There is no conservation law that prevents the formation of such a universe. In quantum mechanics if something is not forbidden by conservation laws, then it necessarily happens with some non-zero probability. So a closed universe can spontaneously appear - through the laws of quantum mechanics - out of nothing. And in fact there is an elegant mathematical description which describes this process and shows that a tiny closed universe having very high energy can spontaneously pop into existence and immediately start to expand and cool. In this description, the same laws that describe the evolution of the universe also describe the appearance of the universe which means that the laws were in place before the universe itself.

So it does sound like I know what I am talking about.

You? Not so much.

Thank you for proving that you know nothing about what you are posting.

How old did you say the universe was, Ed?

 

[edthecynic]

Changing the wording of your lie does not make it any less a lie, but it does show that even you see your lie desperately needs modification to maintain your deception. So I must have explained things in an easy enough language for even YOU to understand!!!!

Ed, we are discussing thermodynamics. In thermodynamics, thermodynamic equilibrium is the state where there is no thermodynamic free energy and therefore can no longer sustain processes that increase entropy. The second law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of an isolated system never decreases. Such systems spontaneously evolve towards thermodynamic equilibrium. A thermodynamic system in its own state of internal thermodynamic equilibrium has a spatially uniform temperature. The second law of thermodynamics states that every energy transfer increases the entropy of the universe due to the loss of usable energy. During energy transfer, some amount of energy is lost in the form of unusable heat energy. Because energy is lost in an unusable form, no energy transfer is completely efficient. The more energy that is lost by a system to its surroundings, the less ordered and more random the system is. Entropy is a measure of randomness and disorder; high entropy means high disorder and low energy. Thermal equilibrium only requires that temperature differences or other processes may no longer be exploited to perform work. This is when the universe reaches maximum entropy. You lose.

You are too Stupid to know what you are discussing!!!

We are discussing how space and time were created through a quantum tunneling event that followed the laws of conservation and quantum mechanics. And how the second law precludes a universe from being infinite in time without reaching thermal equilibrium, which we do not see. Supporting evidence that the universe began ~14 billion years ago are cosmic background radiation which shows the signature of the big bang, red shift which shows that all points are moving away from each other, Friedman's solutions to Einstein's field equations otherwise known as general relativity and show that all matter and energy occupied the space of 1 billionth of 1 trillionth the size of a single atom and then began to expand and cool.

The best explanation for how the universe began comes from inflation theory which Stephen Hawking supports. Which tells us that it is possible for matter and energy to be created without violating the laws of conservation. In a closed universe the gravitational energy which is always negative exactly compensates the positive energy of matter. So the energy of a closed universe is always zero. So nothing prevents this universe from being spontaneously created. Because the net energy is always zero. The positive energy of matter is balanced by the negative energy of the gravity of that matter which is the space time curvature of that matter. There is no conservation law that prevents the formation of such a universe. In quantum mechanics if something is not forbidden by conservation laws, then it necessarily happens with some non-zero probability. So a closed universe can spontaneously appear - through the laws of quantum mechanics - out of nothing. And in fact there is an elegant mathematical description which describes this process and shows that a tiny closed universe having very high energy can spontaneously pop into existence and immediately start to expand and cool. In this description, the same laws that describe the evolution of the universe also describe the appearance of the universe which means that the laws were in place before the universe itself.

So it does sound like I know what I am talking about.

You? Not so much.

Thank you for proving that you know nothing about what you are posting.

How old did you say the universe was, Ed?

Thank you for again proving that you know nothing about what you are posting.

 

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Ed, we are discussing thermodynamics. In thermodynamics, thermodynamic equilibrium is the state where there is no thermodynamic free energy and therefore can no longer sustain processes that increase entropy. The second law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of an isolated system never decreases. Such systems spontaneously evolve towards thermodynamic equilibrium. A thermodynamic system in its own state of internal thermodynamic equilibrium has a spatially uniform temperature. The second law of thermodynamics states that every energy transfer increases the entropy of the universe due to the loss of usable energy. During energy transfer, some amount of energy is lost in the form of unusable heat energy. Because energy is lost in an unusable form, no energy transfer is completely efficient. The more energy that is lost by a system to its surroundings, the less ordered and more random the system is. Entropy is a measure of randomness and disorder; high entropy means high disorder and low energy. Thermal equilibrium only requires that temperature differences or other processes may no longer be exploited to perform work. This is when the universe reaches maximum entropy. You lose.

You are too Stupid to know what you are discussing!!!

We are discussing how space and time were created through a quantum tunneling event that followed the laws of conservation and quantum mechanics. And how the second law precludes a universe from being infinite in time without reaching thermal equilibrium, which we do not see. Supporting evidence that the universe began ~14 billion years ago are cosmic background radiation which shows the signature of the big bang, red shift which shows that all points are moving away from each other, Friedman's solutions to Einstein's field equations otherwise known as general relativity and show that all matter and energy occupied the space of 1 billionth of 1 trillionth the size of a single atom and then began to expand and cool.

The best explanation for how the universe began comes from inflation theory which Stephen Hawking supports. Which tells us that it is possible for matter and energy to be created without violating the laws of conservation. In a closed universe the gravitational energy which is always negative exactly compensates the positive energy of matter. So the energy of a closed universe is always zero. So nothing prevents this universe from being spontaneously created. Because the net energy is always zero. The positive energy of matter is balanced by the negative energy of the gravity of that matter which is the space time curvature of that matter. There is no conservation law that prevents the formation of such a universe. In quantum mechanics if something is not forbidden by conservation laws, then it necessarily happens with some non-zero probability. So a closed universe can spontaneously appear - through the laws of quantum mechanics - out of nothing. And in fact there is an elegant mathematical description which describes this process and shows that a tiny closed universe having very high energy can spontaneously pop into existence and immediately start to expand and cool. In this description, the same laws that describe the evolution of the universe also describe the appearance of the universe which means that the laws were in place before the universe itself.

So it does sound like I know what I am talking about.

You? Not so much.

Thank you for proving that you know nothing about what you are posting.

How old did you say the universe was, Ed?

Thank you for again proving that you know nothing about what you are posting.

I am more than happy enough to let others decide for themselves.

 

[edthecynic]

You are too Stupid to know what you are discussing!!!

We are discussing how space and time were created through a quantum tunneling event that followed the laws of conservation and quantum mechanics. And how the second law precludes a universe from being infinite in time without reaching thermal equilibrium, which we do not see. Supporting evidence that the universe began ~14 billion years ago are cosmic background radiation which shows the signature of the big bang, red shift which shows that all points are moving away from each other, Friedman's solutions to Einstein's field equations otherwise known as general relativity and show that all matter and energy occupied the space of 1 billionth of 1 trillionth the size of a single atom and then began to expand and cool.

The best explanation for how the universe began comes from inflation theory which Stephen Hawking supports. Which tells us that it is possible for matter and energy to be created without violating the laws of conservation. In a closed universe the gravitational energy which is always negative exactly compensates the positive energy of matter. So the energy of a closed universe is always zero. So nothing prevents this universe from being spontaneously created. Because the net energy is always zero. The positive energy of matter is balanced by the negative energy of the gravity of that matter which is the space time curvature of that matter. There is no conservation law that prevents the formation of such a universe. In quantum mechanics if something is not forbidden by conservation laws, then it necessarily happens with some non-zero probability. So a closed universe can spontaneously appear - through the laws of quantum mechanics - out of nothing. And in fact there is an elegant mathematical description which describes this process and shows that a tiny closed universe having very high energy can spontaneously pop into existence and immediately start to expand and cool. In this description, the same laws that describe the evolution of the universe also describe the appearance of the universe which means that the laws were in place before the universe itself.

So it does sound like I know what I am talking about.

You? Not so much.

Thank you for proving that you know nothing about what you are posting.

How old did you say the universe was, Ed?

Thank you for again proving that you know nothing about what you are posting.

I am more than happy enough to let others decide for themselves.

Me too!

 

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We are discussing how space and time were created through a quantum tunneling event that followed the laws of conservation and quantum mechanics. And how the second law precludes a universe from being infinite in time without reaching thermal equilibrium, which we do not see. Supporting evidence that the universe began ~14 billion years ago are cosmic background radiation which shows the signature of the big bang, red shift which shows that all points are moving away from each other, Friedman's solutions to Einstein's field equations otherwise known as general relativity and show that all matter and energy occupied the space of 1 billionth of 1 trillionth the size of a single atom and then began to expand and cool.

The best explanation for how the universe began comes from inflation theory which Stephen Hawking supports. Which tells us that it is possible for matter and energy to be created without violating the laws of conservation. In a closed universe the gravitational energy which is always negative exactly compensates the positive energy of matter. So the energy of a closed universe is always zero. So nothing prevents this universe from being spontaneously created. Because the net energy is always zero. The positive energy of matter is balanced by the negative energy of the gravity of that matter which is the space time curvature of that matter. There is no conservation law that prevents the formation of such a universe. In quantum mechanics if something is not forbidden by conservation laws, then it necessarily happens with some non-zero probability. So a closed universe can spontaneously appear - through the laws of quantum mechanics - out of nothing. And in fact there is an elegant mathematical description which describes this process and shows that a tiny closed universe having very high energy can spontaneously pop into existence and immediately start to expand and cool. In this description, the same laws that describe the evolution of the universe also describe the appearance of the universe which means that the laws were in place before the universe itself.

So it does sound like I know what I am talking about.

You? Not so much.

Thank you for proving that you know nothing about what you are posting.

How old did you say the universe was, Ed?

Thank you for again proving that you know nothing about what you are posting.

I am more than happy enough to let others decide for themselves.

Me too!

Great. What do you say we have a little debate in the bull ring?

Are you game, Eddie?

 

[edthecynic]

Thank you for proving that you know nothing about what you are posting.

How old did you say the universe was, Ed?

Thank you for again proving that you know nothing about what you are posting.

I am more than happy enough to let others decide for themselves.

Me too!

Great. What do you say we have a little debate in the bull ring?

Are you game, Eddie?

Do you really think you have your lies down well enough to lie to a physicist about physics? You haven't done very well here, you didn't know the change in entropy could equal zero, you claimed it was always a positive number, until I hit you with the actual equation for the change in entropy, and you didn't know that "work" as defined by physics involved motion until I hit you with the equation for work. Physics has a lot more equations, in fact equations are the language of physics and all you have is semantics, and semantics can NEVER disprove an equation!!!!

So yes I'm game if you are STUPID enough to make a fool of yourself yet again! You can be sure I will pull quotes of yours from this thread if you try to deny anything you posted here. You see I know you think all you have to do is leave out "work" from your thermal equilibrium lie and you will have perfected your lie to the point where you can deceive others who might not be physicists.