When Cops Get Caught Sanitizing And Flat-Out Lying About Brutality

[Wry Catcher]

There are bad cops, and there are bad civilians. Two wrongs don't make a right, no matter how much you want to be on just one side of the issue.

The problem is tho that the bad civilians go to jail. The bad cops dont. So whats the deterrence? Retirement?

Dont threaten me with a good time

I managed IA for several years. Two things resulted in termination every time: Lying and sleeping on duty. Fortunately I never had a killing cross my desk, but many allegations of physical brutality.

I required a comprehensive written allegation of the events, since most complaints came to me by telephone. CA law makes a false allegation a low grade misdemeanor, a maximum sentence of six months county jail upon conviction.

Most written complaints never appeared, once the complainant understood the consequences of a false allegation (and the fact that making one under oath became a felony).

Likewise, when a written complaint was received, the deputy was informed of the allegation and that lying would result in termination. Most of the time, it turned out to be a s/he said, s/he said situation and without other evidence no conclusion can be reached.

 

[MisterBeale]

Blah blah blah blah blah.

C-FAGs war on cops is getting old and tired. There's 1,000,000 cops in America. Even 10,000 criminal cops would only make 1%.

And C-FAGS can't give me 10,000 bad cop links. Any population of humans has bad ones.

The syntax and diction do not make sense. You are unhappy the civilians will police the police when necessary? You are going to live the rest of your life very unhappily. Instead, help police the bad police.

The politicians won't allow that.

It's been changing. The system can't tolerate continuing large settlements for victims at taxpayers' expense.

Are you aware the legislature passed a law protecting companies that make genetically modified foods from law suits? Or how about the one the protects vaccine manufacturers? There are far easier ways to protect corruption than to get rid of it. They are now even working on a law to protect chemical manufacturers. They learned their lesson with that whole asbestos fiasco. lol

No, don't look for the system to be cleaned up. Look for new laws protecting the corruption. That's how the system works.

 

[BULLDOG]

There are bad cops, and there are bad civilians. Two wrongs don't make a right, no matter how much you want to be on just one side of the issue.

Of course there are bad people on both sides of the coin, but until the widespread use of cameras, the bad cops were rarely even questioned. Even with damning video, many cops still skate when they should be locked up.

 

[JakeStarkey]

What a poor fallacy of derivative analogy, Mr. Beale. Portable visual narratives are easily posted to social media. The bad cops are terrified of that. Rightly so.

 

[BULLDOG]

Blah blah blah blah blah.

C-FAGs war on cops is getting old and tired. There's 1,000,000 cops in America. Even 10,000 criminal cops would only make 1%.

And C-FAGS can't give me 10,000 bad cop links. Any population of humans has bad ones.

Why don't you want the bad ones to be stopped?

 

[BULLDOG]

There are bad cops, and there are bad civilians. Two wrongs don't make a right, no matter how much you want to be on just one side of the issue.

The problem is tho that the bad civilians go to jail. The bad cops dont. So whats the deterrence? Retirement?

Dont threaten me with a good time

I managed IA for several years. Two things resulted in termination every time: Lying and sleeping on duty. Fortunately I never had a killing cross my desk, but many allegations of physical brutality.

I required a comprehensive written allegation of the events, since most complaints came to me by telephone. CA law makes a false allegation a low grade misdemeanor, a maximum sentence of six months county jail upon conviction.

Most written complaints never appeared, once the complainant understood the consequences of a false allegation (and the fact that making one under oath became a felony).

Likewise, when a written complaint was received, the deputy was informed of the allegation and that lying would result in termination. Most of the time, it turned out to be a s/he said, s/he said situation and without other evidence no conclusion can be reached.

Right. A cop kicks someone's ass, and all they can do is make a phone call. When they make that call, you tell them how quick and how long you can lock them up. I can't imagine why they wouldn't follow through with a written complaint.

 

[ClosedCaption]

There are bad cops, and there are bad civilians. Two wrongs don't make a right, no matter how much you want to be on just one side of the issue.

The problem is tho that the bad civilians go to jail. The bad cops dont. So whats the deterrence? Retirement?

Dont threaten me with a good time

I managed IA for several years. Two things resulted in termination every time: Lying and sleeping on duty. Fortunately I never had a killing cross my desk, but many allegations of physical brutality.

I required a comprehensive written allegation of the events, since most complaints came to me by telephone. CA law makes a false allegation a low grade misdemeanor, a maximum sentence of six months county jail upon conviction.

Most written complaints never appeared, once the complainant understood the consequences of a false allegation (and the fact that making one under oath became a felony).

Likewise, when a written complaint was received, the deputy was informed of the allegation and that lying would result in termination. Most of the time, it turned out to be a s/he said, s/he said situation and without other evidence no conclusion can be reached.

Wow, I cant see why anyone wouldnt want to show up to have a "your word vs cops" hearing since cops are always looked at with suspicion (sarcasm)

 

[DigitalDrifter]

When Cops Get Caught Sanitizing And Flat-Out Lying About Brutality

A number of high-profile cases over the past few years suggest that something even more disturbing can happen when police are given the responsibility of self-reporting violence. The instances below offer clear evidence of cops -- and in some cases, their superiors -- attempting to sanitize, mischaracterize or simply lie about the use of force. They raise disquieting questions about what might have happened if videos of the incidents had never surfaced -- and how many similar incidents never become known to the public.

"The shackles accidentally hit one of her arms."
Vine

New Orleans police Officer Terrance Saulny was fired earlier this year after an internal investigation concluded that he had used "unauthorized force" in the 2014 incident captured in the above surveillance video. Saulny can be seen repeatedly striking a 16-year-old girl who was in a holding cell following an arrest.

Saulny reportedly informed his supervisor immediately following the encounter, which left the girl with minor injuries, according to a police report. In a later interview with investigators, Saulny explained his decision to use force.

"[Saulny] stated he felt threatened, so he just pushed her to the left," investigators wrote,according to the New Orleans Times-Picayune. "He attempted to grab her arm and tried to put shackles on her and when she resisted by pulling away he tried grabbing her again and her arms went up and the shackles accidentally hit one of her arms."

Saulny's attorney has said his client plans to appeal his termination.

"The officer 'escorted [the suspect] to the floor.'"
Vine

In the surveillance video, first obtained by the Colorado Springs Independent, a handcuffed Acker, then 19 and at a hospital for medical clearance following an arrest, is seen kicking Officer Tyler Walker, who responds by slamming her to the ground. In the words of an officer who filed a police report on the incident, Walker "escorted Ms. Acker to the floor." According to another officer's report, he "rolled her out of the chair to the floor."

Walker is still employed by the Colorado Springs Police Department.


"A physical altercation ensued."
Watch Nick Wing s Vine A physical altercation ensues.


In July 2014, a passing motorist filmed as California Highway Patrol Officer Daniel Andrew rained blows down on Marlene Pinnock, a 51-year-old grandmother who was walking along a freeway. A CHP incident summary of the incident claimed that Pinnock became "physically combative" when Andrew attempted to pull her away from traffic, at which time "a physical altercation ensued."

In September, Andrew agreed to resign from the CHP. Pinnock accepted $1.5 million from the agency to settle the civil rights lawsuit she'd filed.

Ok, let's get rid of all police then.

There, it's fixed !

 

[bucs90]

Blah blah blah blah blah.

C-FAGs war on cops is getting old and tired. There's 1,000,000 cops in America. Even 10,000 criminal cops would only make 1%.

And C-FAGS can't give me 10,000 bad cop links. Any population of humans has bad ones.

Why don't you want the bad ones to be stopped?

I do. But it's not a national crisis on the scale liberals make it out to be. These incidents are local issues.

 

[ClosedCaption]

When Cops Get Caught Sanitizing And Flat-Out Lying About Brutality

A number of high-profile cases over the past few years suggest that something even more disturbing can happen when police are given the responsibility of self-reporting violence. The instances below offer clear evidence of cops -- and in some cases, their superiors -- attempting to sanitize, mischaracterize or simply lie about the use of force. They raise disquieting questions about what might have happened if videos of the incidents had never surfaced -- and how many similar incidents never become known to the public.

"The shackles accidentally hit one of her arms."
Vine

New Orleans police Officer Terrance Saulny was fired earlier this year after an internal investigation concluded that he had used "unauthorized force" in the 2014 incident captured in the above surveillance video. Saulny can be seen repeatedly striking a 16-year-old girl who was in a holding cell following an arrest.

Saulny reportedly informed his supervisor immediately following the encounter, which left the girl with minor injuries, according to a police report. In a later interview with investigators, Saulny explained his decision to use force.

"[Saulny] stated he felt threatened, so he just pushed her to the left," investigators wrote,according to the New Orleans Times-Picayune. "He attempted to grab her arm and tried to put shackles on her and when she resisted by pulling away he tried grabbing her again and her arms went up and the shackles accidentally hit one of her arms."

Saulny's attorney has said his client plans to appeal his termination.

"The officer 'escorted [the suspect] to the floor.'"
Vine

In the surveillance video, first obtained by the Colorado Springs Independent, a handcuffed Acker, then 19 and at a hospital for medical clearance following an arrest, is seen kicking Officer Tyler Walker, who responds by slamming her to the ground. In the words of an officer who filed a police report on the incident, Walker "escorted Ms. Acker to the floor." According to another officer's report, he "rolled her out of the chair to the floor."

Walker is still employed by the Colorado Springs Police Department.


"A physical altercation ensued."
Watch Nick Wing s Vine A physical altercation ensues.


In July 2014, a passing motorist filmed as California Highway Patrol Officer Daniel Andrew rained blows down on Marlene Pinnock, a 51-year-old grandmother who was walking along a freeway. A CHP incident summary of the incident claimed that Pinnock became "physically combative" when Andrew attempted to pull her away from traffic, at which time "a physical altercation ensued."

In September, Andrew agreed to resign from the CHP. Pinnock accepted $1.5 million from the agency to settle the civil rights lawsuit she'd filed.

Ok, let's get rid of all police then.

There, it's fixed !

Only to a goofball like yourself

 

[bucs90]

There are bad cops, and there are bad civilians. Two wrongs don't make a right, no matter how much you want to be on just one side of the issue.

The problem is tho that the bad civilians go to jail. The bad cops dont. So whats the deterrence? Retirement?

Dont threaten me with a good time

I managed IA for several years. Two things resulted in termination every time: Lying and sleeping on duty. Fortunately I never had a killing cross my desk, but many allegations of physical brutality.

I required a comprehensive written allegation of the events, since most complaints came to me by telephone. CA law makes a false allegation a low grade misdemeanor, a maximum sentence of six months county jail upon conviction.

Most written complaints never appeared, once the complainant understood the consequences of a false allegation (and the fact that making one under oath became a felony).

Likewise, when a written complaint was received, the deputy was informed of the allegation and that lying would result in termination. Most of the time, it turned out to be a s/he said, s/he said situation and without other evidence no conclusion can be reached.

Yep. Libs will never believe it though. At Atlanta I got called in a few times a year. Everyone did. 99% false allegations.

People also don't realize how rare it is that police actually charge a false accuser.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Blah blah blah blah blah.

C-FAGs war on cops is getting old and tired. There's 1,000,000 cops in America. Even 10,000 criminal cops would only make 1%.

And C-FAGS can't give me 10,000 bad cop links. Any population of humans has bad ones.

Why don't you want the bad ones to be stopped?

I do. But it's not a national crisis on the scale liberals make it out to be. These incidents are local issues.

Oh, you're the guy in the first pane of this comic

 

[Wake]

People also don't realize how rare it is that police actually charge a false accuser.

Dorian Johnson comes to mind, but still to this day I haven't stumbled across a left-leaning member who thinks his lies were wrong. Speaking of people getting a pass...

 

[Wry Catcher]

There are bad cops, and there are bad civilians. Two wrongs don't make a right, no matter how much you want to be on just one side of the issue.

The problem is tho that the bad civilians go to jail. The bad cops dont. So whats the deterrence? Retirement?

Dont threaten me with a good time

I managed IA for several years. Two things resulted in termination every time: Lying and sleeping on duty. Fortunately I never had a killing cross my desk, but many allegations of physical brutality.

I required a comprehensive written allegation of the events, since most complaints came to me by telephone. CA law makes a false allegation a low grade misdemeanor, a maximum sentence of six months county jail upon conviction.

Most written complaints never appeared, once the complainant understood the consequences of a false allegation (and the fact that making one under oath became a felony).

Likewise, when a written complaint was received, the deputy was informed of the allegation, that they could bring one representative or an attorney and that lying would result in termination. Most of the time, it turned out to be a s/he said, s/he said situation and without other evidence no conclusion can be reached.

Right. A cop kicks someone's ass, and all they can do is make a phone call. When they make that call, you tell them how quick and how long you can lock them up. I can't imagine why they wouldn't follow through with a written complaint.

Nope, I simply informed them of the law. If they submit a statement, we investigated. Some did, and supplied evidence in terms of witnesses or injuries. All written statements were investigated, with the evidence available.

I, or a member of my staff would read the complainants statement, read the police report and contact witnesses all before interviewing the officer (if interested, google Peace Officer's Bill of Rights). Knowing we did this, an officer would sometimes admit to "kicking someone's ass", rather than lie and know he or she would be fired.

In a serious breach the officer might be told not to incriminate himself by his attorney, s/he would then be ordered to answer, and if s/he did not they could be - and most times were - fired for insubordination. Knowing this, most time the officer would resign. In that case we would refer the matter to the district attorney.

BTW, in one investigation the female officer came in and after being admonished said, "I did it!". Doing it, was to use OC on the complainant because, "she pissed me off!

She was given a written reprimand and ordered to take a POST training course on OC use on her own time.

Those written allegations where no finding could be made become part of the officers personnel file, not available to anyone but internal management and the officer without filing a Pitchess Motion with the Court. The complainant was informed that their allegation could not be sustained.

 

[BULLDOG]

Blah blah blah blah blah.

C-FAGs war on cops is getting old and tired. There's 1,000,000 cops in America. Even 10,000 criminal cops would only make 1%.

And C-FAGS can't give me 10,000 bad cop links. Any population of humans has bad ones.

Why don't you want the bad ones to be stopped?

I do. But it's not a national crisis on the scale liberals make it out to be. These incidents are local issues.

Then when a cop is shown to be a bloodthirsty ass hole, quit defending him as if he just saved your kid from a car wreck.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Blah blah blah blah blah.

C-FAGs war on cops is getting old and tired. There's 1,000,000 cops in America. Even 10,000 criminal cops would only make 1%.

And C-FAGS can't give me 10,000 bad cop links. Any population of humans has bad ones.

Why don't you want the bad ones to be stopped?

I do. But it's not a national crisis on the scale liberals make it out to be. These incidents are local issues.

Then when a cop is shown to be a bloodthirsty ass hole, quit defending him as if he just saved your kid from a car wreck.

He might just have done that, that being saved someone's child. I can't speak for all agencies, but those I'm familiar with do extensive background checks before offering a conditional offer of employment.

Once that offer is made and accepted the candidate receives a full physical and mental examination, at least two and sometimes three interviews, one usually by supervisors (Sgt's and an LT) in house, and one with LT's or Capt's from other agencies. The psychological evaluation is done by a Ph. D. psychologist who administer a battery of psychological tests and interviews the candidate twice, usually once before and once after reviewing the tests and speaking with the agency's HR Dept. This procedure is very expensive, but much less so than hiring a "blood thirsty ass hole" and giving him or her a gun.

There's more to the background than this ^^^, and yet some on this forum believe everyone ought to carry a gun. Only three out of every 100 persons who apply get through the entire background and receive an appointment. Even then they are on probation and can be terminated without any right to appeal as they are go through training with a field training officer.

This system isn't perfect, as has been shown too often in recent months. But the fact remains only a small minority of LE Officers violate their agencies use of force policies and they are held accountable.

 

[JakeStarkey]

We need you good cops to crack down ruthless and publicly on every bad cop.

 

[Bobby1250]

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[BULLDOG]

Blah blah blah blah blah.

C-FAGs war on cops is getting old and tired. There's 1,000,000 cops in America. Even 10,000 criminal cops would only make 1%.

And C-FAGS can't give me 10,000 bad cop links. Any population of humans has bad ones.

Why don't you want the bad ones to be stopped?

I do. But it's not a national crisis on the scale liberals make it out to be. These incidents are local issues.

Then when a cop is shown to be a bloodthirsty ass hole, quit defending him as if he just saved your kid from a car wreck.

He might just have done that, that being saved someone's child. I can't speak for all agencies, but those I'm familiar with do extensive background checks before offering a conditional offer of employment.

Once that offer is made and accepted the candidate receives a full physical and mental examination, at least two and sometimes three interviews, one usually by supervisors (Sgt's and an LT) in house, and one with LT's or Capt's from other agencies. The psychological evaluation is done by a Ph. D. psychologist who administer a battery of psychological tests and interviews the candidate twice, usually once before and once after reviewing the tests and speaking with the agency's HR Dept. This procedure is very expensive, but much less so than hiring a "blood thirsty ass hole" and giving him or her a gun.

There's more to the background than this ^^^, and yet some on this forum believe everyone ought to carry a gun. Only three out of every 100 persons who apply get through the entire background and receive an appointment. Even then they are on probation and can be terminated without any right to appeal as they are go through training with a field training officer.

This system isn't perfect, as has been shown too often in recent months. But the fact remains only a small minority of LE Officers violate their agencies use of force policies and they are held accountable.

They are held accountable only if someone has video. Otherwise it's a matter of he said she said, and who is a judge going to believe, that fine upstanding officer of the law, or you, you sorry bum.

 

[whitehall]

Why are liberal clown faces at war with law enforcement? Caught in a DUI traffic stop? I never heard of the legal concept of "sanitizing brutality" until the radical left invented it. So far in 2015, about 68 brave hero Police Officers, male and female, white and black, died in the line of duty to serve and protect your ungrateful asses.

If a post is war then what do you call a killing? Armageddon?

Dont get caught up on Sanitizing Brutality. Those are just two words that you know put together. Lying is a more commonly used term. They lie to protect themselves

"Sanitizing brutality" are two words that you need to defend because you invented the phrase. The crazy issue is that the radical left seems to be under the impression that the Police are immune from prosecution. Lying under oath or in an official report is a felony and the county prosecutor who is elected by the people will charge a Police Officer if it happens. Either the radical left is ready to indict the entire electoral system or their hatred is focused strictly on Officers in uniform but the bigotry seems to be based strictly on emotion rather than logic. About 68 Police Officers have been killed in the line of Duty in the U.S. so far this year to insure your 1st Amendment right to criticize the system and you should at least acknowledge their contribution.