Whatever ever happened to the little sign ‘We have a right to refuse service’?

[Freewill]

By the Constitution you have the right to deny anyone you don't want to do business with, regardless of why. Some states and local communities take those rights away. When you elect tyrants you get tyranny.

Really?

 

[Freewill]

First of all a business does not have the right to deny service to ANYONE they want. Civil rights acts took care of that bit of business. So the question then becomes do the beliefs of a person override the civil rights of another. Well as has been ruled in several places a Muslim can refuse to service someone if it concerns alcohol, even the transportation in a Taxi. So yes we have decided that religious beliefs can lead to refusing service. Well then the question becomes can a religious belief cause a person to refuse service due to race, color or creed and the answer is a definite NO. It is not a matter of if the person can just go down the road and receive the service they want, it is a matter or equal treatment. So if you are white, black, yellow, a woman or a man, you should expect to enter a place of business and receive equal service to any other person.

NOW does that extend to a person's chosen life style? Even if we accept that being gay is normal and not a choice certainly the choice of getting married is a choice. It is my opinion that a person can refuse service that goes against their religious beliefs and not just that the person is white, black, yellow, male or female. It is also my opinion that being gay is not equal to being white, black, yellow, a woman or a man. For the government to then FORCE a person to go against those beliefs is, in my opinion, exactly what the 1st amendment is all about. Exactly why they say that a Muslim can refuse service to someone carrying alcohol.

The fact is that the first amendment's intent, in my opinion, is to prevent the government from ruling against religious beliefs or interfering in the exercise of. I many not agree with a lot of religious beliefs but in America you have the freedom, spelled out in the Constitution, to believe that crystals heal, that Allah is great and that support of gay marriage is a sin. Like it or not.

"Civil Rights" applies to the public sector - not the private sector. I absolutely have the right to deny service to anyone any time I want in my bakery. Period.

Our government cannot discriminate (nor should they be able to). Our bakeries absolutely can. That is a privately owned business operating on private property.

Friend I believe you missed the point.

 

[Freewill]

I don't get the big deal.

If a business doesn't want my money I'll find another that does.

I won't lose a minute's sleep over it either.

when every business refuses your money then what???

Give it to me.

 

[JoeB131]

[

Joe - you don't have a business. Typing resumes on your computer for free because your neighbors don't have a computer or a printer is not a business.

Well, I charge money for them and the people I charge aren't my neighbors. But not to worry, man, when you don't have an argument, lying always helps. ANd making assumptions that people who disagree with you are bad.

[
Furthermore, denying someone service is detrimental to a business. And if America agrees with your fucked up ideology, then that business will go out of business. So why is there a need to play Nazi, place a gun to the head of an owner, and force them to bake a cake against their will?

Same reason there was a need to tell business they had to serve blacks and Jews. We didn't wait for the market to get them to act right. Sorry, guy, this argument was had and lost 40 years ago. I'm not even sure why you are still trying to make it.

[

Now before you go into another tired rant about "socialism", all civilization is a balance between individual freedom and collective good. No one really wants to live in Somalia, and no one wants to live in North Korea. So at some point, you have to decide where the happy medium is.

The happy medium is the U.S. Constitution and you are violating it. You're giving us North Korea. It's time conservatives take us back to the United States.

Um, sorry, constitution doesn't grant "rights" to businesses or even mentions businesses in any way. We could declare total communism tomorrow and still be within the constraints of the Best Work of Old Slave Rapists.

[

Enforcing a law that says, I should be able to expect a service you promised if I have the money to pay for it is a very happy medium.

And that's just it chief - the baker never promised to bake a cake for gay people. If he had, I would absolutely support forcing him to as he would have broken a contract. But he didn't. Would you like to try again?

He promised to bake Wedding Cakes. That's an implied contract with the public.

Now, if you don't like the Public Accommedation Laws, you should go to the state legislature and demand 'I should have the right to discriminate against fags and dykes and coons and Hebes because that's what the Founding Fathers would have wanted!"

I don't think you are going to get a very receptive audience, though.

The few places these kinds of laws are crawling out of legislatures, Republican Governors are having the good sense to veto them at the insistence of the Chamber of Commerce.

 

[billyerock1991]

P.S.
Nazi would not allow Gays to exist in their country ... the fact that you're soooooooo stupid to say "Nazi liberal" makes me laugh at your stupidity in these matters... after all being Nazi are conservative you know ... hitler supported the conservative way of thinking you moron

P.S.
I had to address this insanely stupid comment separately so that the world could laugh at you. Adolf Hitler did not believe in small government and freedom for the people. Like Dumbocrats, he believed in a massive and powerful central government controlling everything.

Hitler supported and acted on the liberal way of thinking you fucking moron. I never once saw Hitler propose low taxes and the shrinking of his centralize-control government. How fuck'n dumb do you feel right now?

do you think that I'm going to take you serious that you have a clue in what your talking about ???you don't know the difference between public and private ...that a dumb fuck like you will know what the NAZI's are ??? really ... you are much stupider then I first thought...

 

[Freewill]

While we're on the subject, whatever happened to Jim Crow?

Republicans got that abolished a long time ago.

 

[AmericanFirst]

P.S.
Nazi would not allow Gays to exist in their country ... the fact that you're soooooooo stupid to say "Nazi liberal" makes me laugh at your stupidity in these matters... after all being Nazi are conservative you know ... hitler supported the conservative way of thinking you moron

P.S.
I had to address this insanely stupid comment separately so that the world could laugh at you. Adolf Hitler did not believe in small government and freedom for the people. Like Dumbocrats, he believed in a massive and powerful central government controlling everything.

Hitler supported and acted on the liberal way of thinking you fucking moron. I never once saw Hitler propose low taxes and the shrinking of his centralize-control government. How fuck'n dumb do you feel right now?

do you think that I'm going to take you serious that you have a clue in what your talking about ???you don't know the difference between public and private ...that a dumb fuck like you will know what the NAZI's are ??? really ... you are much stupider then I first thought...

Obviously you havn't a clue, like most libtarded idiots.

 

[Bfgrn]

Do Restaurants Have the Unrestricted Right to Refuse Service?

Do Restaurants Have the Unrestricted Right to Refuse Service?
No. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 explicitly prohibits restaurants from refusing service to patrons on the basis of race, color, religion, or natural origin. In addition, most courts don’t allow restaurants to refuse service to patrons based on extremely arbitrary conditions. For example, a person likely can’t be refused service due to having a lazy eye.
But Aren’t Restaurants Considered Private Property?

But Aren’t Restaurants Considered Private Property?
Yes, however they are also considered places of public accommodation. In other words, the primary purpose of a restaurant is to sell food to the general public, which necessarily requires susceptibility to equal protection laws. Therefore, a restaurant’s existence as private property does not excuse an unjustified refusal of service. This can be contrasted to a nightclub, which usually caters itself to a specific group of clientele based on age and social status.

So Are "We Reserve the Right to Refuse Service to Anyone" Signs in Restaurants Legal?
Yes, however they still do not give a restaurant the power to refuse service on the basis of race, color, religion, or natural origin. These signs also do not preclude a court from finding other arbitrary refusals of service to be discriminatory. Simply put, restaurants that carry a "Right to Refuse Service" sign are subject to the same laws as restaurants without one.

What Conditions Allow a Restaurant to Refuse Service?

There a number of legitimate reasons for a restaurant to refuse service, some of which include:

Patrons who are unreasonably rowdy or causing trouble
Patrons that may overfill capacity if let in
Patrons who come in just before closing time or when the kitchen is closed
Patrons accompanied by large groups of non-customers looking to sit in
Patrons lacking adequate hygiene (e.g. excess dirt, extreme body odor, etc.)

In most cases, refusal of service is warranted where a customer’s presence in the restaurant detracts from the safety, welfare, and well-being of other patrons and the restaurant itself.

 

[Iceweasel]

By the Constitution you have the right to deny anyone you don't want to do business with, regardless of why. Some states and local communities take those rights away. When you elect tyrants you get tyranny.

Really?

There are special federal laws for businesses that offer food, lodging, gasoline and entertainment and disabilities. I don't agree with them and they violate the Constitution.

 

[P@triot]

Whatever ever happened to the little sign… ‘We have a right to refuse service’?

It was replaced with a sign that says "Shirts and Shoes required"

To keep out redneck conservatives

So if I walk in without a shirt and/or shoes, do you have the right to deny me service? Oops....hypocrite.

(Give a liberal 5 seconds and they will defeat their own argument every time)

Absolutely.......see how well those little signs work?

Just like those little......"No smoking permitted" and "Employees must wash hands" signs

Another ploy to keep out redneck conservatives

Well that's DISCRIMINATION winger....

First of all, those "little signs" say "we have the right to refuse service"

Second, what if I can't afford a shirt? What if I can't afford shoes? I shouldn't be allowed to eat? I should have to die because I can't afford the shoes to walk I to McDonald's for the substance to sustain life?

Once again RW - you contradict your own position.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Do Restaurants Have the Unrestricted Right to Refuse Service?

Do Restaurants Have the Unrestricted Right to Refuse Service?
No. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 explicitly prohibits restaurants from refusing service to patrons on the basis of race, color, religion, or natural origin. In addition, most courts don’t allow restaurants to refuse service to patrons based on extremely arbitrary conditions. For example, a person likely can’t be refused service due to having a lazy eye.
But Aren’t Restaurants Considered Private Property?

But Aren’t Restaurants Considered Private Property?
Yes, however they are also considered places of public accommodation. In other words, the primary purpose of a restaurant is to sell food to the general public, which necessarily requires susceptibility to equal protection laws. Therefore, a restaurant’s existence as private property does not excuse an unjustified refusal of service. This can be contrasted to a nightclub, which usually caters itself to a specific group of clientele based on age and social status.

So Are "We Reserve the Right to Refuse Service to Anyone" Signs in Restaurants Legal?
Yes, however they still do not give a restaurant the power to refuse service on the basis of race, color, religion, or natural origin. These signs also do not preclude a court from finding other arbitrary refusals of service to be discriminatory. Simply put, restaurants that carry a "Right to Refuse Service" sign are subject to the same laws as restaurants without one.

What Conditions Allow a Restaurant to Refuse Service?

There a number of legitimate reasons for a restaurant to refuse service, some of which include:

Patrons who are unreasonably rowdy or causing trouble
Patrons that may overfill capacity if let in
Patrons who come in just before closing time or when the kitchen is closed
Patrons accompanied by large groups of non-customers looking to sit in
Patrons lacking adequate hygiene (e.g. excess dirt, extreme body odor, etc.)

In most cases, refusal of service is warranted where a customer’s presence in the restaurant detracts from the safety, welfare, and well-being of other patrons and the restaurant itself.

Homosexuality is not the same, it is a sexual choice unlike race, religion, or origin. I hate it when gay is equated with race, it is NOT the same.

 

[billyerock1991]

First of all a business does not have the right to deny service to ANYONE they want. Civil rights acts took care of that bit of business. So the question then becomes do the beliefs of a person override the civil rights of another. Well as has been ruled in several places a Muslim can refuse to service someone if it concerns alcohol, even the transportation in a Taxi. So yes we have decided that religious beliefs can lead to refusing service. Well then the question becomes can a religious belief cause a person to refuse service due to race, color or creed and the answer is a definite NO. It is not a matter of if the person can just go down the road and receive the service they want, it is a matter or equal treatment. So if you are white, black, yellow, a woman or a man, you should expect to enter a place of business and receive equal service to any other person.

NOW does that extend to a person's chosen life style? Even if we accept that being gay is normal and not a choice certainly the choice of getting married is a choice. It is my opinion that a person can refuse service that goes against their religious beliefs and not just that the person is white, black, yellow, male or female. It is also my opinion that being gay is not equal to being white, black, yellow, a woman or a man. For the government to then FORCE a person to go against those beliefs is, in my opinion, exactly what the 1st amendment is all about. Exactly why they say that a Muslim can refuse service to someone carrying alcohol.

The fact is that the first amendment's intent, in my opinion, is to prevent the government from ruling against religious beliefs or interfering in the exercise of. I many not agree with a lot of religious beliefs but in America you have the freedom, spelled out in the Constitution, to believe that crystals heal, that Allah is great and that support of gay marriage is a sin. Like it or not.

"Civil Rights" applies to the public sector - not the private sector. I absolutely have the right to deny service to anyone any time I want in my bakery. Period.

Our government cannot discriminate (nor should they be able to). Our bakeries absolutely can. That is a privately owned business operating on private property.

look idiot if you sell to the public you aren't private ...its that simple ... pull your head out of your fucking dumb ass ... you're making a fool of your self

 

[AmericanFirst]

First of all a business does not have the right to deny service to ANYONE they want. Civil rights acts took care of that bit of business. So the question then becomes do the beliefs of a person override the civil rights of another. Well as has been ruled in several places a Muslim can refuse to service someone if it concerns alcohol, even the transportation in a Taxi. So yes we have decided that religious beliefs can lead to refusing service. Well then the question becomes can a religious belief cause a person to refuse service due to race, color or creed and the answer is a definite NO. It is not a matter of if the person can just go down the road and receive the service they want, it is a matter or equal treatment. So if you are white, black, yellow, a woman or a man, you should expect to enter a place of business and receive equal service to any other person.

NOW does that extend to a person's chosen life style? Even if we accept that being gay is normal and not a choice certainly the choice of getting married is a choice. It is my opinion that a person can refuse service that goes against their religious beliefs and not just that the person is white, black, yellow, male or female. It is also my opinion that being gay is not equal to being white, black, yellow, a woman or a man. For the government to then FORCE a person to go against those beliefs is, in my opinion, exactly what the 1st amendment is all about. Exactly why they say that a Muslim can refuse service to someone carrying alcohol.

The fact is that the first amendment's intent, in my opinion, is to prevent the government from ruling against religious beliefs or interfering in the exercise of. I many not agree with a lot of religious beliefs but in America you have the freedom, spelled out in the Constitution, to believe that crystals heal, that Allah is great and that support of gay marriage is a sin. Like it or not.

"Civil Rights" applies to the public sector - not the private sector. I absolutely have the right to deny service to anyone any time I want in my bakery. Period.

Our government cannot discriminate (nor should they be able to). Our bakeries absolutely can. That is a privately owned business operating on private property.

look idiot if you sell to the public you aren't private ...its that simple ... pull your head out of your fucking dumb ass ... you're making a fool of your self

He is absolutely right idiot. Pull your head out of obamashitforbrains pussy.

 

[P@triot]

Do Restaurants Have the Unrestricted Right to Refuse Service?

Do Restaurants Have the Unrestricted Right to Refuse Service?
No. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 explicitly prohibits restaurants from refusing service to patrons on the basis of race, color, religion, or natural origin. In addition, most courts don’t allow restaurants to refuse service to patrons based on extremely arbitrary conditions. For example, a person likely can’t be refused service due to having a lazy eye.
But Aren’t Restaurants Considered Private Property?

But Aren’t Restaurants Considered Private Property?
Yes, however they are also considered places of public accommodation. In other words, the primary purpose of a restaurant is to sell food to the general public, which necessarily requires susceptibility to equal protection laws. Therefore, a restaurant’s existence as private property does not excuse an unjustified refusal of service. This can be contrasted to a nightclub, which usually caters itself to a specific group of clientele based on age and social status.

So Are "We Reserve the Right to Refuse Service to Anyone" Signs in Restaurants Legal?
Yes, however they still do not give a restaurant the power to refuse service on the basis of race, color, religion, or natural origin. These signs also do not preclude a court from finding other arbitrary refusals of service to be discriminatory. Simply put, restaurants that carry a "Right to Refuse Service" sign are subject to the same laws as restaurants without one.

What Conditions Allow a Restaurant to Refuse Service?

There a number of legitimate reasons for a restaurant to refuse service, some of which include:

Patrons who are unreasonably rowdy or causing trouble
Patrons that may overfill capacity if let in
Patrons who come in just before closing time or when the kitchen is closed
Patrons accompanied by large groups of non-customers looking to sit in
Patrons lacking adequate hygiene (e.g. excess dirt, extreme body odor, etc.)

In most cases, refusal of service is warranted where a customer’s presence in the restaurant detracts from the safety, welfare, and well-being of other patrons and the restaurant itself.

First of all, it doesn't say SEXUAL ORIENTATION genius...

Second, that "law" violates the U.S. Constitution (and is thus null and void). The Supremacy Clause establishes the Constitution as the highest law in the land and it trumps any and all state and local laws.

 

[billyerock1991]

P.S.
I had to address this insanely stupid comment separately so that the world could laugh at you. Adolf Hitler did not believe in small government and freedom for the people. Like Dumbocrats, he believed in a massive and powerful central government controlling everything.

Hitler supported and acted on the liberal way of thinking you fucking moron. I never once saw Hitler propose low taxes and the shrinking of his centralize-control government. How fuck'n dumb do you feel right now?

do you think that I'm going to take you serious that you have a clue in what your talking about ???you don't know the difference between public and private ...that a dumb fuck like you will know what the NAZI's are ??? really ... you are much stupider then I first thought...

Obviously you havn't a clue, like most libtarded idiots.

really ??? HAVN"T and you know whats stupid telling some one what they have or havn't B WA HAHAHAhAHA the words "haven't" moron

 

[Freewill]

By the Constitution you have the right to deny anyone you don't want to do business with, regardless of why. Some states and local communities take those rights away. When you elect tyrants you get tyranny.

Really?

There are special federal laws for businesses that offer food, lodging, gasoline and entertainment and disabilities. I don't agree with them and they violate the Constitution.

As has been shown the laws are pretty clear on who you can not refuse service. Like it or not all businesses use public services. Such as police, roads, fired departments etc. Now it has been decided by the states, like it or not, in amendments to the constitution that discrimination due to race, color and creed is not acceptable. Me liking it or not doesn't really matter. As far as I know these amendments have been challenged in court.

And no, because of this law if a black woman came into buy a cake you would be in violation of the law to refuse service. There is no religious belief I know of that teaches segregation except maybe the democrat platform. (can't help myself)

What would be your reasoning for denying service to a woman, man, black, white or other on those conditions alone?

 

[Bfgrn]

Do Restaurants Have the Unrestricted Right to Refuse Service?

Do Restaurants Have the Unrestricted Right to Refuse Service?
No. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 explicitly prohibits restaurants from refusing service to patrons on the basis of race, color, religion, or natural origin. In addition, most courts don’t allow restaurants to refuse service to patrons based on extremely arbitrary conditions. For example, a person likely can’t be refused service due to having a lazy eye.
But Aren’t Restaurants Considered Private Property?

But Aren’t Restaurants Considered Private Property?
Yes, however they are also considered places of public accommodation. In other words, the primary purpose of a restaurant is to sell food to the general public, which necessarily requires susceptibility to equal protection laws. Therefore, a restaurant’s existence as private property does not excuse an unjustified refusal of service. This can be contrasted to a nightclub, which usually caters itself to a specific group of clientele based on age and social status.

So Are "We Reserve the Right to Refuse Service to Anyone" Signs in Restaurants Legal?
Yes, however they still do not give a restaurant the power to refuse service on the basis of race, color, religion, or natural origin. These signs also do not preclude a court from finding other arbitrary refusals of service to be discriminatory. Simply put, restaurants that carry a "Right to Refuse Service" sign are subject to the same laws as restaurants without one.

What Conditions Allow a Restaurant to Refuse Service?

There a number of legitimate reasons for a restaurant to refuse service, some of which include:

Patrons who are unreasonably rowdy or causing trouble
Patrons that may overfill capacity if let in
Patrons who come in just before closing time or when the kitchen is closed
Patrons accompanied by large groups of non-customers looking to sit in
Patrons lacking adequate hygiene (e.g. excess dirt, extreme body odor, etc.)

In most cases, refusal of service is warranted where a customer’s presence in the restaurant detracts from the safety, welfare, and well-being of other patrons and the restaurant itself.

Homosexuality is not the same, it is a sexual choice unlike race, religion, or origin. I hate it when gay is equated with race, it is NOT the same.

HOW do you determine what a person's sexual orientation is? By appearance?

Would you serve this guy?

 

[billyerock1991]

Do Restaurants Have the Unrestricted Right to Refuse Service?

Do Restaurants Have the Unrestricted Right to Refuse Service?
No. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 explicitly prohibits restaurants from refusing service to patrons on the basis of race, color, religion, or natural origin. In addition, most courts don’t allow restaurants to refuse service to patrons based on extremely arbitrary conditions. For example, a person likely can’t be refused service due to having a lazy eye.
But Aren’t Restaurants Considered Private Property?

But Aren’t Restaurants Considered Private Property?
Yes, however they are also considered places of public accommodation. In other words, the primary purpose of a restaurant is to sell food to the general public, which necessarily requires susceptibility to equal protection laws. Therefore, a restaurant’s existence as private property does not excuse an unjustified refusal of service. This can be contrasted to a nightclub, which usually caters itself to a specific group of clientele based on age and social status.

So Are "We Reserve the Right to Refuse Service to Anyone" Signs in Restaurants Legal?
Yes, however they still do not give a restaurant the power to refuse service on the basis of race, color, religion, or natural origin. These signs also do not preclude a court from finding other arbitrary refusals of service to be discriminatory. Simply put, restaurants that carry a "Right to Refuse Service" sign are subject to the same laws as restaurants without one.

What Conditions Allow a Restaurant to Refuse Service?

There a number of legitimate reasons for a restaurant to refuse service, some of which include:

Patrons who are unreasonably rowdy or causing trouble
Patrons that may overfill capacity if let in
Patrons who come in just before closing time or when the kitchen is closed
Patrons accompanied by large groups of non-customers looking to sit in
Patrons lacking adequate hygiene (e.g. excess dirt, extreme body odor, etc.)

In most cases, refusal of service is warranted where a customer’s presence in the restaurant detracts from the safety, welfare, and well-being of other patrons and the restaurant itself.

First of all, it doesn't say SEXUAL ORIENTATION genius...

Second, that "law" violates the U.S. Constitution (and is thus null and void). The Supremacy Clause establishes the Constitution as the highest law in the land and it trumps any and all state and local laws.

now the dick weed thinks he's a constitutional lawyer Priceless!!!!

BWA HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA thats funny

 

[Freewill]

By the Constitution you have the right to deny anyone you don't want to do business with, regardless of why. Some states and local communities take those rights away. When you elect tyrants you get tyranny.

Really?

There are special federal laws for businesses that offer food, lodging, gasoline and entertainment and disabilities. I don't agree with them and they violate the Constitution.

Not really, or do we get to pick and choose which we want like in a Chinese restaurant?

Bill of Rights
Amendment 1 Freedoms, Petitions, Assembly
Amendment 2 Right to bear arms
Amendment 3 Quartering of soldiers
Amendment 4 Search and arrest
Amendment 5 Rights in criminal cases
Amendment 6 Right to a fair trial
Amendment 7 Rights in civil cases
Amendment 8 Bail, fines, punishment
Amendment 9 Rights retained by the People
Amendment 10 States' rights

Later amendments:

Amendment 11 Lawsuits against states
Amendment 12 Presidential elections
Amendment 13 Abolition of slavery
Amendment 14 Civil rights
Amendment 15 Black suffrage
Amendment 16 Income taxes
Amendment 17 Senatorial elections
Amendment 18 Prohibition of liquor
Amendment 19 Women's suffrage
Amendment 20 Terms of office
Amendment 21 Repeal of Prohibition
Amendment 22 Term Limits for the Presidency
Amendment 23 Washington, D.C., suffrage
Amendment 24 Abolition of poll taxes
Amendment 25 Presidential succession
Amendment 26 18-year-old suffrage
Amendment 27 Congressional pay raises

 

[Iceweasel]

Really?

There are special federal laws for businesses that offer food, lodging, gasoline and entertainment and disabilities. I don't agree with them and they violate the Constitution.

As has been shown the laws are pretty clear on who you can not refuse service. Like it or not all businesses use public services. Such as police, roads, fired departments etc. Now it has been decided by the states, like it or not, in amendments to the constitution that discrimination due to race, color and creed is not acceptable. Me liking it or not doesn't really matter. As far as I know these amendments have been challenged in court.

And no, because of this law if a black woman came into buy a cake you would be in violation of the law to refuse service. There is no religious belief I know of that teaches segregation except maybe the democrat platform. (can't help myself)

What would be your reasoning for denying service to a woman, man, black, white or other on those conditions alone?

Like I said before, there are reasons food, lodging, gasoline, etc. are specifically mentioned in accommodation laws. If you were correct there would be no such mention. Cake may not be good food but it is considered food last I checked.