what war since WWII protected our freedoms?

[Dr Grump]

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C'mon, Grump. The question's loaded and you know it. It looks like a MSM poll question.

Do you think the South Koreans would agree?

How about the Kuwaiti's?

The premise that any war has been fought since 1865 that threatened personal freedoms in the US is a false one, and THAT war stifled rather than preserved freedom in the US. The US government has been out of control ever since.

You make a fair point. I would argue that in Korea you were fighting for South Korean's freedoms. Ditto Viet Nam etc. US freedoms?? Uh-uh...doesn't even pass the giggle test..

What I will say is that most of the grunts on the ground (not the pollies or top brass) probably had the best intentions, but the thing that sticks in my craw in the case of South Korea (back then) and Viet Nam, is that you weren't freeing democracies.Both South Korea and Viet Nam were both corrupt regimes. Ditto Saudi Arabia now and Kuwait...Freeing a country from tyranny so another tyrant can take over is not usually a good reason to go to war...

 

[Gunny]

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C'mon, Grump. The question's loaded and you know it. It looks like a MSM poll question.

Do you think the South Koreans would agree?

How about the Kuwaiti's?

The premise that any war has been fought since 1865 that threatened personal freedoms in the US is a false one, and THAT war stifled rather than preserved freedom in the US. The US government has been out of control ever since.

You make a fair point. I would argue that in Korea you were fighting for South Korean's freedoms. Ditto Viet Nam etc. US freedoms?? Uh-uh...doesn't even pass the giggle test..

What I will say is that most of the grunts on the ground (not the pollies or top brass) probably had the best intentions, but the thing that sticks in my craw in the case of South Korea (back then) and Viet Nam, is that you weren't freeing democracies.Both South Korea and Viet Nam were both corrupt regimes. Ditto Saudi Arabia now and Kuwait...Freeing a country from tyranny so another tyrant can take over is not usually a good reason to go to war...

I have never heard South Korea was a corrupt regime. Diem was definitely a despot and a product of French colonialism/class state rather than democracy and he persecuted his own people based mostly on religion. Himmler would have been proud of Diem's brother in law.

I also agree Arab monarchies are as backwards-assed as it gets. We aren't fighting for democracy ... just the lesser of evils. I agree with winning BECAUSE we are there. I don't agree with us being there.

 

[editec]

if russia and us did not confront hilter would he have not come after us like he already said he would?

Hitler never had the capability to invade the US. It takes something called a Navy. Hitler did not have the Naval power to invade England, how would he invade the US, 3000 miles away?

Russia was primarily responsible for defeating Hitler

Idiot. Hitler had the naval capability to invade the UK. He didn't use it when he had the advantage.

Try again. Use your fucked up brain this time, please.

Hitler was thwarted from launching his planned invasion of England until he had AIR SUPERIORITY.

And the Battle of Britian ended his hopes of ever achieving that air superiority.

The Lufwaffa got it's ass kicked, and without that umbrella for his invasion force, Hitler's invasion forces would have slept with fishes before they set foot on England.

Basically England was saved from invasion by about 9000 people flight and ground crews) who fought on the British side

The Royal Air Force roll of honour for the Battle of Britain recognises 595 non-British pilots (out of 2,936) as flying at least one authorised operational sortie with an eligible unit of the RAF or Fleet Air Arm between 10 July and 31 October 1940.[72][73] These included 145 Poles, 127 New Zealanders, 112 Canadians, 88 Czechoslovaks, 28 Belgians, 32 Australians, 25 South Africans, 13 French, 10 Irish, 7 Americans, and one each from Jamaica, the British Mandate of Palestine, and Southern Rhodesia.[74]

source wiki

 

[blu]

simple question, what war since WWII, if not fought, would have lead to a loss of freedoms and/or safety by Americans.

Certainly not you and your ilk's war against individual liberty and thought. Normal, thinking human beings in this country appear to be losing that war because we have to work instead of spending all our time incessantly blathering propaganda and/or voting for the biggest idiot of the past two centuries to be President.

Sheep.

I voted for Ron Paul in 08 and he is the only person I ever voted for. He sure is against individual liberty and thought

 

[blu]

The US has not been invaded since the War of 1812

Thanks, Capt Obvious.

The US has not been invaded by a foreign nation's military since the War of 1812. The internal invasion of leftwingnut fuckwits taking over the infrastructure and destroying what this nation is supposed to be has happened and is still happening nonetheless, because pussies like you can't stand up and be men. You need to have Big Brother feed you your ba-ba and diaper your ass, cradle to grave, and you don't care WHO you have to steal the money from.

We need another war. To get rid of titsuckers like you and that fuckwit blu. You and your ilk have turned this nation into something it was never meant to be.

how would another war get rid of me? unless my city was directly attacked and they managed to kill me it would never happen. its also funny how war loving people also need another war and more death&destruction just to prove they were correcta bout past wars.

 

[blu]

Well let's see... Despite the half measures and failures born of Leftist subversion; there's The Korean War, The Vietnam War, The Reagan covert war in Central America, The Invasion of Grenada and Panama... Desert Storm and the US Global War on Terror.

how have/did the wars in:

- korea
- vietnam
- reagan's war
- grenade/panama
- on an emotion

protect our freedoms or safety? please explain

Ah. And you leftwingtards call the right selfish. You don't think others should be protected from tyranny?

Too bad normal people here haven't protected us from the tyranny of the left instead.

where in the constitution can we go around protecting others from tyranny?

 

[blu]

Well let's see... Despite the half measures and failures born of Leftist subversion; there's The Korean War, The Vietnam War, The Reagan covert war in Central America, The Invasion of Grenada and Panama... Desert Storm and the US Global War on Terror.

how have/did the wars in:

- korea
- vietnam
- reagan's war
- grenade/panama
- on an emotion

protect our freedoms or safety? please explain

Ah. And you leftwingtards call the right selfish. You don't think others should be protected from tyranny?

Too bad normal people here haven't protected us from the tyranny of the left instead.

and when do we decide we are going to "protect" a country or its people? sure seems odd we go after all the places with oil but let genocide in sudan and the congo go untouched. not to mention what we let happen in china because we are scared of the trade and debt repercussions.

 

[editec]

The truth is the USA had no business in it.

BTW, there are no 'good guys', if you think so, study up on how Britain and france treated their empires, the non white portion that is. The Belgians in the Congo is another example (and they were also allies).

And of course of Soviet friends were just sweetness and light.

Britain and France were thrown out of their empires, often by force.

But your attempt to amoralize Nazi Germany for that reason is asinine.

He isn't amoralizing jack, jack. The fact is, we didn't defeat the German military in WWI, and the Nazi's weren't even a wet spot on the sheets at the time German politicians signed a treaty that humiliated Germany. The Nazi's came to power BECAUSE OF the Treaty of Versailles. Had European powers and the US not been so intent on trying to humble a people that STILL haven't been humbled since the Dark Ages, perhaps THAT could have avoided war.

It was not our place in the world to say who appeased who. The US was dealing with the Great Depression and was hardly militarily capable during the 30s, and Europe wasn't any of our business.

I have to correct the record here about the USA's role in the humbling of Germany that (I agree) lead to WWII.

No American was thoroughly disgusted with the way FRANCE AND ENGLAND treated the defeated Hun.

Wilson was NOT party to that

In fact, he was openly opposed to what was done to Germany.

 

[AllieBaba]

Socialism/communism is an evil ideology that destroys the freedom of anyone involved in those systems.

So was slavery..

And we killed a huge number of our people getting rid of it.

 

[Douger]

Well let's see... Despite the half measures and failures born of Leftist subversion; there's The Korean War, The Vietnam War, The Reagan covert war in Central America, The Invasion of Grenada and Panama... Desert Storm and the US Global War on Terror.

how have/did the wars in:

- korea
- vietnam
- reagan's war
- grenade/panama
- on an emotion

protect our freedoms or safety? please explain

Socialism/communism is an evil ideology that destroys the freedom of anyone involved in those systems.

You're an idiot.
Socialism bears no resemblance to communism.

The most evil form of govt. is a Corporatocracy. Exactly what you have.

 

[Dr Grump]

Socialism/communism is an evil ideology that destroys the freedom of anyone involved in those systems.

So was slavery..

And we killed a huge number of our people getting rid of it.

Not surprisingly, my point went over your head...that being the US solved it's own issues internally...maybe they should allow other countries to do the same...

 

[rightwinger]

The point of this thread is not to denigrate the US

In fact, the majority of conflicts the US has engaged in over the last 60 years have not been to protect the freedom of US Citizens specifically, but to protect the freedom of other nations. Korea, VietNam and Kuwait are relevant examples

The US is the worlds lone Superpower both economically and militarily. We use the projection of US power to maintain stability around the globe.

 

[Gunny]

Hitler never had the capability to invade the US. It takes something called a Navy. Hitler did not have the Naval power to invade England, how would he invade the US, 3000 miles away?

Russia was primarily responsible for defeating Hitler

Idiot. Hitler had the naval capability to invade the UK. He didn't use it when he had the advantage.

Try again. Use your fucked up brain this time, please.

Hitler was thwarted from launching his planned invasion of England until he had AIR SUPERIORITY.

And the Battle of Britian ended his hopes of ever achieving that air superiority.

The Lufwaffa got it's ass kicked, and without that umbrella for his invasion force, Hitler's invasion forces would have slept with fishes before they set foot on England.

Basically England was saved from invasion by about 9000 people flight and ground crews) who fought on the British side

The Royal Air Force roll of honour for the Battle of Britain recognises 595 non-British pilots (out of 2,936) as flying at least one authorised operational sortie with an eligible unit of the RAF or Fleet Air Arm between 10 July and 31 October 1940.[72][73] These included 145 Poles, 127 New Zealanders, 112 Canadians, 88 Czechoslovaks, 28 Belgians, 32 Australians, 25 South Africans, 13 French, 10 Irish, 7 Americans, and one each from Jamaica, the British Mandate of Palestine, and Southern Rhodesia.[74]

source wiki

Had Hitler immediately invaded Britain after Dunkirk, nothing could have stopped him. Hitler made the mistake of trusting Goering who boasted he could win the Battle of Britain in his own.

In fact, Hitler had the RAF pretty beat down when he made his next mistake and switched to bombing London instead of strategic military targets. Basically, Hitler defeated himself.

 

[Gunny]

The US has not been invaded since the War of 1812

Thanks, Capt Obvious.

The US has not been invaded by a foreign nation's military since the War of 1812. The internal invasion of leftwingnut fuckwits taking over the infrastructure and destroying what this nation is supposed to be has happened and is still happening nonetheless, because pussies like you can't stand up and be men. You need to have Big Brother feed you your ba-ba and diaper your ass, cradle to grave, and you don't care WHO you have to steal the money from.

We need another war. To get rid of titsuckers like you and that fuckwit blu. You and your ilk have turned this nation into something it was never meant to be.

how would another war get rid of me? unless my city was directly attacked and they managed to kill me it would never happen. its also funny how war loving people also need another war and more death&destruction just to prove they were correcta bout past wars.

Try reading a bit further. Wars don't have to be fought with guns and knives.

 

[Dr Gregg]

To be honest, I feel none have. Many (Korean, Vietnam) were all based on the Red Scare craze and had to stop the communists from spreading.

first Gulf War did liberate a country, but that was for financial reasons, as there are tons of countries in the world that need "liberation" but not economically or politically valuable to the US so we do nothing about it

I feel WWII was the peak of the US, from that point on we turned into industrialized military complex and started being bulllies of the world

 

[Dr Gregg]

The US has not been invaded since the War of 1812

Actually, the Japanese invaded Islands in Alaska during WWII. Not mainland, but...

 

[Dr Gregg]

simple question, what war since WWII, if not fought, would have lead to a loss of freedoms and/or safety by Americans.

Well let's see... Despite the half measures and failures born of Leftist subversion; there's The Korean War, The Vietnam War, The Reagan covert war in Central America, The Invasion of Grenada and Panama... Desert Storm and the US Global War on Terror.

and that protected our freedoms how? That was protecting other's freedoms.

I guess WWII was that also, but likely Japanese would of attempted an invasion

 

[GHook93]

No war, including WW2, was fought for our freedoms since the Revolutionary War.

if russia and us did not confront hilter would he have not come after us like he already said he would?

Unlikely. Hitler didn't want to fight the U.K., why would we want to fight the U.S.?

You are brain dead. Too much Ron Paul foreign policy propaganda on the brain. If you want to argue we should have stayed the hell out of WW I, I would agree with you, but if you want to argue we should have stayed out of War of 1812, WW II and Afghanistan, I will call you an idiot!

 

[Gunny]

To be honest, I feel none have. Many (Korean, Vietnam) were all based on the Red Scare craze and had to stop the communists from spreading.

first Gulf War did liberate a country, but that was for financial reasons, as there are tons of countries in the world that need "liberation" but not economically or politically valuable to the US so we do nothing about it

I feel WWII was the peak of the US, from that point on we turned into industrialized military complex and started being bulllies of the world

I agree with your first, but not your last. We DID peak in WWII; however, it was because it was the last war we fought to win at all cost, not because of any military industrial complex.

When we started fighting limited wars with one hand tied behind the troops' backs with a bunch of stupid rules, we got limited results.

 

[Gunny]

if russia and us did not confront hilter would he have not come after us like he already said he would?

Unlikely. Hitler didn't want to fight the U.K., why would we want to fight the U.S.?

You are brain dead. Too much Ron Paul foreign policy propaganda on the brain. If you want to argue we should have stayed the hell out of WW I, I would agree with you, but if you want to argue we should have stayed out of War of 1812, WW II and Afghanistan, I will call you an idiot!

You would be incorrect. Hitler in fact did not want to fight the UK nor the US. His goal all along was Russia. Then he ended up trying to bail Mussolini out in N Africa, as well as declaring war on the US to honor the Tripartite Act. Had he not saddled himself with bums, he may very well have won.

The US had no real excuse to join the war in Europe until Hitler gave us one by declaring war. It actually was none of our business until that time even though we were supplying the UK with all kinds of materiel and weapons.