what war since WWII protected our freedoms?

[Gunny]

When are you going to learn to not question me on history?

As usual, you don't have clue fucking one what you are talking about.

The UNITED STATES violated international law starting in the spring of 1940.

When did Hitler declare war genius?

The question is rhetorical, as I'm sure you will fuck that up also:

December 10, 1941.

Do you need a diagram?

If the United States had "violated international law" in 1936, there would have been no Nazi Germany as we knew it.

are you talking about when Germany put troops in the Rheinland?

That's all they did in 1936, and IMO, had every right to do so.

 

[Revere]

Hitler never said he would attack the USA until the USA began breaking international law by providing free war materials to the UK.

Hitler was bound by the Tripartite Act to side with Japan. He was pissed about Pearl Harbor. In all actuality, he didn't even want war with the UK. Had the UK not declared war on Germany, he would have focused solely on Russia.

There are a number of theories as to why Hitler declared war, loyalty to his ally is not likely.

The real reasons most likely are twofold, Hitler knew he was already fighting an undeclared naval war vs the USA and believed the USA was unprepared for U boats (he was dead right, the USA suffered grevious shipping losses for the first 10 months of the war right off the US east coast). By declaring war he could set back an allied buildup of materials by years (this also happened) with rapid sub attacks.

The second and probaly most compelling reason was Hitler hoped japan would create a 'second front' in the far east, using their Kwang tung army located in Manchuria, this would relieve the pressure the germans were now getting from a december counter offensive near Moscow.

Its a fair bet Hitler cared little for any treaty he signed with Japan if there was no advangae for Germany.

Not to mention the handicap the US spotted him with their stated non-aggression at that time. What the hell did the US think was going to happen?

 

[Xenophon]

If the United States had "violated international law" in 1936, there would have been no Nazi Germany as we knew it.

are you talking about when Germany put troops in the Rheinland?

That's all they did in 1936, and IMO, had every right to do so.

Absolutely.

The allies accted as if they had totally defeated Imperial germany when everyone knew that it was teh USA that tipped the scales, and put crippling punishments on germany, garunteeing another war.

There is a political cartoon from the Versailles talks in 1919 that has a babby with 'class of 1940' pinned on it crying, a chilling prediction that ended up being right on the money.

 

[Revere]

When are you going to learn to not question me on history?

As usual, you don't have clue fucking one what you are talking about.

The UNITED STATES violated international law starting in the spring of 1940.

When did Hitler declare war genius?

The question is rhetorical, as I'm sure you will fuck that up also:

December 10, 1941.

Do you need a diagram?

If the United States had "violated international law" in 1936, there would have been no Nazi Germany as we knew it.

The USA was not the world police in 1936.

And it shouldn't be so today either.

Then you wait for the shitstorm to boil over now as it did then. You can wax romantic all night long about what a freedom fight WWII was, but it was only necessary because it was not dealt with a lot sooner.

 

[Revere]

are you talking about when Germany put troops in the Rheinland?

That's all they did in 1936, and IMO, had every right to do so.

Absolutely.

The allies accted as if they had totally defeated Imperial germany when everyone knew that it was teh USA that tipped the scales, and put crippling punishments on germany, garunteeing another war.

There is a political cartoon from the Versailles talks in 1919 that has a babby with 'class of 1940' pinned on it crying, a chilling prediction that ended up being right on the money.

The combination of unchecked aggression and appeasement guarantees war.

 

[Xenophon]

If the United States had "violated international law" in 1936, there would have been no Nazi Germany as we knew it.

The USA was not the world police in 1936.

And it shouldn't be so today either.

Then you wait for the shitstorm to boil over now as it did then. You can wax romantic all night long about what a freedom fight WWII was, but it was only necessary because it was not dealt with a lot sooner.

The truth is the USA had no business in it.

BTW, there are no 'good guys', if you think so, study up on how Britain and france treated their empires, the non white portion that is. The Belgians in the Congo is another example (and they were also allies).

And of course of Soviet friends were just sweetness and light.

 

[Xenophon]

That's all they did in 1936, and IMO, had every right to do so.

Absolutely.

The allies accted as if they had totally defeated Imperial germany when everyone knew that it was teh USA that tipped the scales, and put crippling punishments on germany, garunteeing another war.

There is a political cartoon from the Versailles talks in 1919 that has a babby with 'class of 1940' pinned on it crying, a chilling prediction that ended up being right on the money.

The combination of unchecked aggression and appeasement guarantees war.

That is a slogan.

Cause and effect dictates war.

What caused 'german aggression?'

Allied 'appeasement'?

Simplistic answers don't solve problems.

 

[Gunny]

Hitler never said he would attack the USA until the USA began breaking international law by providing free war materials to the UK.

Hitler was bound by the Tripartite Act to side with Japan. He was pissed about Pearl Harbor. In all actuality, he didn't even want war with the UK. Had the UK not declared war on Germany, he would have focused solely on Russia.

There are a number of theories as to why Hitler declared war, loyalty to his ally is not likely.

The real reasons most likely are twofold, Hitler knew he was already fighting an undeclared naval war vs the USA and believed the USA was unprepared for U boats (he was dead right, the USA suffered grevious shipping losses for the first 10 months of the war right off the US east coast). By declaring war he could set back an allied buildup of materials by years (this also happened) with rapid sub attacks.

The second and probaly most compelling reason was Hitler hoped japan would create a 'second front' in the far east, using their Kwang tung army located in Manchuria, this would relieve the pressure the germans were now getting from a december counter offensive near Moscow.

Its a fair bet Hitler cared little for any treaty he signed with Japan if there was no advangae for Germany.

I might agree with you had Hitler not had u-boats on the back burner at the time. Doenitz could have jacked us up WAY worse than he did had he the manpower and material he sought. He didn't get his way until '43. By then. it was too late.

I agree Hitler would have abandoned his pact with Japan as fast as he did his pact with Stalin if he thought it to his best advantage. Fact is though, that is the official reason for his declaration of war.

However, while a charismatic leader, Hitler was strategically and tactically stupid and refused to listen to his generals. A Lance Corporal in the Marine Corps could have orchestrated a better war.

If his plan was as you say, it at least partially came to fruition. The problem is, he underestimated the USSR and he underestimated our ability to fight a two front war. He also underestimated the US Navy and the US Marine Corps in the Pacific theater. He expected far more of our manpower and materiel to be used there instead of against him.

Guess he thought wrong.

 

[Revere]

The USA was not the world police in 1936.

And it shouldn't be so today either.

Then you wait for the shitstorm to boil over now as it did then. You can wax romantic all night long about what a freedom fight WWII was, but it was only necessary because it was not dealt with a lot sooner.

The truth is the USA had no business in it.

BTW, there are no 'good guys', if you think so, study up on how Britain and france treated their empires, the non white portion that is. The Belgians in the Congo is another example (and they were also allies).

And of course of Soviet friends were just sweetness and light.

Britain and France were thrown out of their empires, often by force.

But your attempt to amoralize Nazi Germany for that reason is asinine.

 

[Gunny]

Pretty fucking plain and simple, bub.

Fuck off.

No, you fuck off and quit assuming, huh? I called for NO ONE being killed. This is why you lefties shouldn't even be allowed to be in charge of a lawn mower. You'd be trying to use it as an edger.

Getting your socialista asses out of this nation so you can't fuck up the Constitution anymore than you already have doesn't have a damned thing to do with killing you. It has to do with getting you out of here.

But no, you alleged "liberals" can't just go where the rules cater to your pansy asses. You have to try to fuck it up for everyone that doesn't need Daddy to hold their pee pee so they can hit the water.

Anything else you want to say to get your ass smacked into the dirt face first, or what?

The tough guy schtick aint gonna fly, Gunny.

You said this ...

We need another war. To get rid of titsuckers like you and that fuckwit blu. You and your ilk have turned this nation into something it was never meant to be.

... and if you need an explanation as to how this is calling for the death of Americans then you are either drunker or dumber than I thought.

You pointless mini roid-rage is noted.

Tough guy? I asked you to explain your baseless assumption. You have not. You chose instead to attack me personally, having no real argument on merit.

I know what I posted and I know what I meant. Not my fault you have to do the typical lefty jump to conclusions act.

Put the blame for your inability to read and comprehend where it belongs ... on YOU.

 

[Revere]

Absolutely.

The allies accted as if they had totally defeated Imperial germany when everyone knew that it was teh USA that tipped the scales, and put crippling punishments on germany, garunteeing another war.

There is a political cartoon from the Versailles talks in 1919 that has a babby with 'class of 1940' pinned on it crying, a chilling prediction that ended up being right on the money.

The combination of unchecked aggression and appeasement guarantees war.

That is a slogan.

Cause and effect dictates war.

What caused 'german aggression?'

Allied 'appeasement'?

Simplistic answers don't solve problems.

Amorlization doesn't excuse it. You talk like German aggression was a birth right, or a comeuppance.

German aggression caused German aggression. What the hell did Hitler's slaughter of eastern Europeans have to do with anything the USA or Britain or France did in WWI?

 

[Gunny]

are you talking about when Germany put troops in the Rheinland?

That's all they did in 1936, and IMO, had every right to do so.

Absolutely.

The allies accted as if they had totally defeated Imperial germany when everyone knew that it was teh USA that tipped the scales, and put crippling punishments on germany, garunteeing another war.

There is a political cartoon from the Versailles talks in 1919 that has a babby with 'class of 1940' pinned on it crying, a chilling prediction that ended up being right on the money.

The Treaty of Versailles was nothing more than humiliating. That Germany, even if under Hitler, reoccupied sovereign German territory is a no-brainer. The German military felt betrayed by their government, and rightly so. They had not been defeated militarily. Humiliation and the world-wide depression was a breeding ground for the Nazi's and they used it to their advantage.

Had Hitler not been so greedy and taken his time, Germany would to this day occupy most of Europe.

 

[Gunny]

If the United States had "violated international law" in 1936, there would have been no Nazi Germany as we knew it.

The USA was not the world police in 1936.

And it shouldn't be so today either.

Then you wait for the shitstorm to boil over now as it did then. You can wax romantic all night long about what a freedom fight WWII was, but it was only necessary because it was not dealt with a lot sooner.

SO we should censor your thoughts? Arrest criminals BEFORE the fact? Inherent to a free society are those that abuse the freedoms.

You would prefer otherwise?

 

[Gunny]

Then you wait for the shitstorm to boil over now as it did then. You can wax romantic all night long about what a freedom fight WWII was, but it was only necessary because it was not dealt with a lot sooner.

The truth is the USA had no business in it.

BTW, there are no 'good guys', if you think so, study up on how Britain and france treated their empires, the non white portion that is. The Belgians in the Congo is another example (and they were also allies).

And of course of Soviet friends were just sweetness and light.

Britain and France were thrown out of their empires, often by force.

But your attempt to amoralize Nazi Germany for that reason is asinine.

He isn't amoralizing jack, jack. The fact is, we didn't defeat the German military in WWI, and the Nazi's weren't even a wet spot on the sheets at the time German politicians signed a treaty that humiliated Germany. The Nazi's came to power BECAUSE OF the Treaty of Versailles. Had European powers and the US not been so intent on trying to humble a people that STILL haven't been humbled since the Dark Ages, perhaps THAT could have avoided war.

It was not our place in the world to say who appeased who. The US was dealing with the Great Depression and was hardly militarily capable during the 30s, and Europe wasn't any of our business.

 

[Dr Grump]

simple question, what war since WWII, if not fought, would have lead to a loss of freedoms and/or safety by Americans.

None

 

[Gunny]

simple question, what war since WWII, if not fought, would have lead to a loss of freedoms and/or safety by Americans.

None

C'mon, Grump. The question's loaded and you know it. It looks like a MSM poll question.

Do you think the South Koreans would agree?

How about the Kuwaiti's?

The premise that any war has been fought since 1865 that threatened personal freedoms in the US is a false one, and THAT war stifled rather than preserved freedom in the US. The US government has been out of control ever since.

 

[Dr Grump]

Socialism/communism is an evil ideology that destroys the freedom of anyone involved in those systems.

So was slavery..

 

[Hugidwyn]

Thanks to Hitler and WWII U.S. has become politically and economically powerful country.

During the war the U.S. national income more than doubled. The amount of military contracts totaled $175 billion and net income of U.S. monopolies - $70 billion was a greater concentration of production process: the number of large enterprises with over 10 thousand workers has increased 7 times. The war accelerated the process of intensification of agriculture: the mechanization and use of chemicals in production stimulated by high demand for American food, which allowed farmers to dramatically increase their revenues.

Military action, and therefore not affected by the destruction of the United States, and the resources of the country with a population of nearly 150 million people is several times the resources of other states. As a result, after the war, the U.S. gave 60% of industrial products in the world. The United States is concentrated in the hands of 2/3 gold stock and 1/3 of exports.

It was the WWII helped to increase the power of the United States, has led to the domination of the world.

 

[Gunny]

Socialism/communism is an evil ideology that destroys the freedom of anyone involved in those systems.

So was slavery..

Slavery would have ended in the US with or without a war, despite what revisionism tells you. Mechanization spelled doom for slavery without firing a shot.

 

[Gunny]

Thanks to Hitler and WWII U.S. has become politically and economically powerful country.

During the war the U.S. national income more than doubled. The amount of military contracts totaled $175 billion and net income of U.S. monopolies - $70 billion was a greater concentration of production process: the number of large enterprises with over 10 thousand workers has increased 7 times. The war accelerated the process of intensification of agriculture: the mechanization and use of chemicals in production stimulated by high demand for American food, which allowed farmers to dramatically increase their revenues.

Military action, and therefore not affected by the destruction of the United States, and the resources of the country with a population of nearly 150 million people is several times the resources of other states. As a result, after the war, the U.S. gave 60% of industrial products in the world. The United States is concentrated in the hands of 2/3 gold stock and 1/3 of exports.

It was the WWII helped to increase the power of the United States, has led to the domination of the world.

And vilification by the world. Politics aside, everyone hates he who is on top but not in our faces while handing over those free handouts.

You also don't mention the inflation that accompanied those WWII boosts.

Nothing is quite so simple as you would like it to be.