What rights do human beings have?

[TakeAStepBack]

Well, you could argue that from several avenues. The basic premise is that no man is above, or has any legitimate claim to someone else naturally. The right to self-ownership asserts the absolute right of each man, by virtue of his (or her) being a human being, to “own” his or her own body; that is, to control that body free of coercive interference. Since each individual must think, learn, value, and choose his or her ends and means in order to survive and flourish, the right to self-ownership gives man the right to perform these vital activities without being hampered and restricted by coercive molestation.

In other words, the right to self ownership comes naturally from just being. It is not asserted because a law dictates it as such, or that a higher being from scripts of old had denoted it as such (as is usually not the case at all.)

 

[midcan5]

"Liberals demand that the social order should in principle be capable of explaining itself at the tribunal of each person's understanding." Jeremy Waldron

well ok, you know how to cut and paste, congratulations.

But, like all liberals you ignore the central question. What "rights" do all human beings have and where do they come from?

some say we have a "right" to gay marriage, where does that right come from?

the right to food, shelter, clothing, voting, etc, where do those rights come from?

how about the "right' to a college education? the "right" to vote without proving who you are?

liberals continually rant and rave about "rights" but not one of them can ever answer the basic question of why they believe that those rights exist.

Thanks for compliment.

Human being have no innate rights I said that already.

Gay marriage is not a right neither is heterosexual marriage, but responsibilities follow from each after society accepts them.

Considering that many are starving at this very moment you tell us where the right to food comes from? Easy question, now feed the starving or is starving a right. Which side you on?

Education is the basis of a reasonable society, provided the education is reasonable. (I would say liberal open to all thought.) Where's the right come in? Voting: proving who you are??? Sounds like you have a particular idea about rights?

Liberals do not rant about rights, liberals, if they rant, rant about a just and fair society that operates for all. Seems simple.

A bit TIC but rights if they exist only exist after we decide they exist and we can get enough others to agree and accept them.

If I were to label myself it would be liberal progressive probabilist with touches of pragmatic communitarian recognizing it is most often luck or the hand we are dealt that matters and not the stuff circling around in our heads, and we should enjoy this time, work hard, measure the words we use and foster this earth we walk - and help others too.

 

[Redfish]

"Liberals demand that the social order should in principle be capable of explaining itself at the tribunal of each person's understanding." Jeremy Waldron

well ok, you know how to cut and paste, congratulations.

But, like all liberals you ignore the central question. What "rights" do all human beings have and where do they come from?

some say we have a "right" to gay marriage, where does that right come from?

the right to food, shelter, clothing, voting, etc, where do those rights come from?

how about the "right' to a college education? the "right" to vote without proving who you are?

liberals continually rant and rave about "rights" but not one of them can ever answer the basic question of why they believe that those rights exist.

Thanks for compliment.

Human being have no innate rights I said that already.

Gay marriage is not a right neither is heterosexual marriage, but responsibilities follow from each after society accepts them.

Considering that many are starving at this very moment you tell us where the right to food comes from? Easy question, now feed the starving or is starving a right. Which side you on?

Education is the basis of a reasonable society, provided the education is reasonable. (I would say liberal open to all thought.) Where's the right come in? Voting: proving who you are??? Sounds like you have a particular idea about rights?

Liberals do not rant about rights, liberals, if they rant, rant about a just and fair society that operates for all. Seems simple.

A bit TIC but rights if they exist only exist after we decide they exist and we can get enough others to agree and accept them.

If I were to label myself it would be liberal progressive probabilist with touches of pragmatic communitarian recognizing it is most often luck or the hand we are dealt that matters and not the stuff circling around in our heads, and we should enjoy this time, work hard, measure the words we use and foster this earth we walk - and help others too.

some of what you say sounds conservative, why do you have the obama family as your avatar?

but you say you want a "fair" society. What does that mean? does it mean equal opportunity or equal results? does it mean that everyone gets a fair shot, or does it mean that the govt equalizes things after the fact?

does real freedom include both the fredom to succeed and the freedom to fail, or only the freedom to succeed and failure is to be baliled out by the governement i.e. the rest of us?

 

[Katzndogz]

Lets continue. Where do human rights come from?

God
government
kings
nature
other humans
clergy
legislatures

Where do our US rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness come from?

what do the words "endowed by their creator" mean?

It means given by God, and the government exists to protect those rights against the power to take them away. Except that liberals recognize nothing of the kind. If God wants people to have rights, let Him come and protect them.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Lets continue. Where do human rights come from?

God
government
kings
nature
other humans
clergy
legislatures

Where do our US rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness come from?

what do the words "endowed by their creator" mean?

It means given by God, and the government exists to protect those rights against the power to take them away. Except that liberals recognize nothing of the kind. If God wants people to have rights, let Him come and protect them.

If rights come from God, then you need two things:

1. A message from God, that you know is from God, to identify what those rights are, and,

2. a theocratic government that accepts the ultimate authority of God over the People, to protect those rights.

How do you fulfill those conditions?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Lets continue. Where do human rights come from?

God
government
kings
nature
other humans
clergy
legislatures

Where do our US rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness come from?

what do the words "endowed by their creator" mean?

The words "endowed by their creator" in the context of your thread simply mean you have an agenda and don't really give a shit about the opinion of others.

In fact "Rights" need to be discussed within the framework of government and laws. A topic better suited to a Master's Thesis and not this message board. Start with Max Weber's
Law's Community: Legal Theory in Sociological Perspective and once you've mastered this piece move on to all of Western Philosophy, and in particular the Liberal Paradigm, thinkers (Hobbes, Rousseau, Locke, Mill) who influenced Jefferson and many of his peers.

 

[Redfish]

Lets continue. Where do human rights come from?

God
government
kings
nature
other humans
clergy
legislatures

Where do our US rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness come from?

what do the words "endowed by their creator" mean?

It means given by God, and the government exists to protect those rights against the power to take them away. Except that liberals recognize nothing of the kind. If God wants people to have rights, let Him come and protect them.

its funny to watch the liberals struggle with this very basic question.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Has nothing to do with this discussion.

Really? Maybe you should look up the word, too. The founding fathers did not invent democracy.

The founders rejected a democracy in favor of a representative republic. A democracy is nothing but mob rule, as in who ever has the biggest mob, rules.

You might want to note that if you have enough Americans supporting it, you can make the Constitution say anything it wants. The Constitution does not protect us from so-called mob rule,

if the mob is big enough.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

You don't need god in this at all. No man is better than another. Nor does any man (or woman...) have any legitimate claim over the lives of others. Whether they passed down an ancient script written by men and passed it off as the word of god, or grouped together and called themselves "government" laying claim to the monopoly use of force and violence to compel compliance to the rules these men make.

If you're born to the earth as a human, you have the absolute right to self ownership. People have fought and died over this concept for many years. No additional say so from god or a group of men calling themselves the state or government are needed to understand this basic human right. From this right, all others are formed. Including the right to ownership of ones labor, leading of course, to property.

 

[Redfish]

Lets continue. Where do human rights come from?

God
government
kings
nature
other humans
clergy
legislatures

Where do our US rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness come from?

what do the words "endowed by their creator" mean?

The words "endowed by their creator" in the context of your thread simply mean you have an agenda and don't really give a shit about the opinion of others.

In fact "Rights" need to be discussed within the framework of government and laws. A topic better suited to a Master's Thesis and not this message board. Start with Max Weber's
Law's Community: Legal Theory in Sociological Perspective and once you've mastered this piece move on to all of Western Philosophy, and in particular the Liberal Paradigm, thinkers (Hobbes, Rousseau, Locke, Mill) who influenced Jefferson and many of his peers.

those are not my words, they are the words of the founders of this country. I don't have any agenda but following the constitution. what's your agenda?

 

[Redfish]

Really? Maybe you should look up the word, too. The founding fathers did not invent democracy.

The founders rejected a democracy in favor of a representative republic. A democracy is nothing but mob rule, as in who ever has the biggest mob, rules.

You might want to note that if you have enough Americans supporting it, you can make the Constitution say anything it wants. The Constitution does not protect us from so-called mob rule,

if the mob is big enough.

so to you a majority is always a mob? did a mob elect obama twice?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Lets continue. Where do human rights come from?

God
government
kings
nature
other humans
clergy
legislatures

Where do our US rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness come from?

what do the words "endowed by their creator" mean?

It means given by God, and the government exists to protect those rights against the power to take them away. Except that liberals recognize nothing of the kind. If God wants people to have rights, let Him come and protect them.

its funny to watch the liberals struggle with this very basic question.

Who's struggling? The answer is simple:

There is no proof beyond a reasonable doubt that rights come from God, because there is no proof beyond a reasonable doubt that God exists.

The above establishes that reasonable people cannot, or should not, leap to any baseless assumption that rights come from a supernatural being whose existence cannot be verified,

and therefore we must move on to other possible answers to the question of where rights come from.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The founders rejected a democracy in favor of a representative republic. A democracy is nothing but mob rule, as in who ever has the biggest mob, rules.

You might want to note that if you have enough Americans supporting it, you can make the Constitution say anything it wants. The Constitution does not protect us from so-called mob rule,

if the mob is big enough.

so to you a majority is always a mob? did a mob elect obama twice?

Don't waste my time with stupidity. I beg you.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

There is only one right, and that is the right to private property. All other rights flow from this. It derives from the notion that only one individual can inhabit a single space and branches out from there.

And that private property begins with self ownership.

yes, and where do the rights to private property and self ownership come from?

Self-ownership is the only logical conclusion, whether you think it comes from God or simply from the fact that man is able to reason is irrelevant.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

And that private property begins with self ownership.

yes, and where do the rights to private property and self ownership come from?

Self-ownership is the only logical conclusion, whether you think it comes from God or simply from the fact that man is able to reason is irrelevant.

Agreed. Nice avatar too, BTW.

 

[Redfish]

You might want to note that if you have enough Americans supporting it, you can make the Constitution say anything it wants. The Constitution does not protect us from so-called mob rule,

if the mob is big enough.

so to you a majority is always a mob? did a mob elect obama twice?

Don't waste my time with stupidity. I beg you.

you said "democracy is nothing but mob rule" I asked, did a mob elect obama twice?

not at all stupid based on your statement. So, once again, if democracy is nothing but mob rule, did a mob elect obama twice?

second question: what is the alternative to majority rules? a dictator? a ruling minority? a monarchy?

what exactly do you find wrong with one man one vote rule?

 

[KnobbyWalsh]

You have the right in America to be as fat and stupid as you care to be!

 

[Michelle420]

Rights are an abstract human concept.

Agreed

 

[jwoodie]

What "rights" do human beings have and who gave them out?

Does the constitution define the rights of US citizens?

Do they come from God?

Do they come from some congress or king?

Does every human being have the right to : food, air, water, sex, clothing, housing, free speech, gun ownership, a job, a car, air conditioning, heat, hot water, soap, booze, land,
pets, hair coloring, nail salons, shoes, ------------

just curious what the various posters have to say about the rights of humans and where they come from.

one lesbian poster used the term "fundamental rights" what does that mean?

Read the Declaration of Independence.

 

[Redfish]

Rights are an abstract human concept.

Agreed

Yes, rights are an abstract human concept. So do you agree that gay people do not have some inherent "right" to marry each other? or does a society decide what rights its citizens are to have, or are human rights more basic than that such that they would exist without civilizations or societies.

I am not expecting answers, just want those who claim certain "rights" for certain groups to think about the entire concept of "rights"