What Passes for Science in Leftist Land: 12 Year Olds Changing Environmental Laws

[Crick]

Your entire list contains not one example of a peer reviewed, refereed journal publication. Note the dates on your entries. They are all clustered around a limited number of dates. That tells us each grouping is reporting the same story - the release of some single article or study that the AP or one of the big boys found interesting. An imminent ice age was never a widely accepted theory in environmental or climate science. And that you think it somehow refutes the current holding of the vast majority of climate scientists on AGW is pathetically invalid.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Your entire list contains not one example of a peer reviewed, refereed journal publication. Note the dates on your entries. They are all clustered around a limited number of dates. That tells us each grouping is reporting the same story - the release of some single article or study that the AP or one of the big boys found interesting. An imminent ice age was never a widely accepted theory in environmental or climate science. And that you think it somehow refutes the current holding of the vast majority of climate scientists on AGW is pathetically invalid.

Not my fault you mythers hate science. You just toss crap out in your effort to strike fear in people. The media is your tool you have used since the 1970's, the links prove it.

 

[Crick]

Science is my tool in this debate. The science says AGW is valid. The science says global warming is a threat. The science says we are very close to the point of no return. You'll have to pardon me if I take that over the opinion of the Picayune Times Tribune.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Science is my tool in this debate. The science says AGW is valid. The science says global warming is a threat. The science says we are very close to the point of no return. You'll have to pardon me if I take that over the opinion of the Picayune Times Tribune.

And not one case of your "science" condemning those stories I linked to. Why? Because they all quote your "scientists".

 

[konradv]

Snopes is a left wing crazy house only good for non political issues.

Man up and own your fraud, fraud. You posted a fraudulent cover. Why? Because your masters fed you a lie, and being that you don't think, you simply believed without question.

At this point, you have a choice.

You can ask yourself why you follow such liars. You can take them to task, and renounce your worship of such liars.

Or you can drop to your knees and lick the boots of those liars with even more fervor.

Everyone knows you'll choose the latter. Such a good cult lapdog you are.

Please note that link is to TIME.

Doesn't change the fact that you posted a faked image.

Again, man up and own it.

You morons are ALWAYS wrong about everything. It's one doomsday scenario after another - and all turn out to be LIES.

1970 – Colder Winters Held Dawn of New Ice Age – Scientists See Ice Age In the Future (The Washington Post, January 11, 1970)
1970 – Is Mankind Manufacturing a New Ice Age for Itself? (L.A. Times, January 15, 1970)
1970 – New Ice Age May Descend On Man (Sumter Daily Item, January 26, 1970)
1970 – Pollution Prospect A Chilling One (Owosso Argus-Press, January 26, 1970)
1970 – Pollution’s 2-way ‘Freeze’ On Society (Middlesboro Daily News, January 28, 1970)
1970 – Cold Facts About Pollution (The Southeast Missourian, January 29, 1970)
1970 – Pollution Could Cause Ice Age, Agency Reports (St. Petersburg Times, March 4, 1970)
1970 – Pollution Called Ice Age Threat (St. Petersburg Times, June 26, 1970)
1970 – Dirt Will .Bring New Ice Age (The Sydney Morning Herald, October 19, 1970)
1971 – Ice Age Refugee Dies Underground (The Montreal Gazette, Febuary 17, 1971)
1971 – U.S. Scientist Sees New Ice Age Coming (The Washington Post, July 9, 1971)
1971 – Ice Age Around the Corner (Chicago Tribune, July 10, 1971)
1971 – New Ice Age Coming – It’s Already Getting Colder (L.A. Times, October 24, 1971)
1971 – Another Ice Age? Pollution Blocking Sunlight (The Day, November 1, 1971)
1971 – Air Pollution Could Bring An Ice Age (Harlan Daily Enterprise, November 4, 1971)
1972 – Air pollution may cause ice age (Free-Lance Star, February 3, 1972)
1972 – Scientist Says New ice Age Coming (The Ledger, February 13, 1972)
1972 – Scientist predicts new ice age (Free-Lance Star, September 11, 1972)
1972 – British expert on Climate Change says Says New Ice Age Creeping Over Northern Hemisphere (Lewiston Evening Journal, September 11, 1972)
1972 – Climate Seen Cooling For Return Of Ice Age (Portsmouth Times, ‎September 11, 1972‎)
1972 – New Ice Age Slipping Over North (Press-Courier, September 11, 1972)
1972 – Ice Age Begins A New Assault In North (The Age, September 12, 1972)
1972 – Weather To Get Colder (Montreal Gazette, ‎September 12, 1972‎)
1972 – British climate expert predicts new Ice Age (The Christian Science Monitor, September 23, 1972)
1972 – Scientist Sees Chilling Signs of New Ice Age (L.A. Times, September 24, 1972)
1972 – Science: Another Ice Age? (Time Magazine, November 13, 1972)
1973 – The Ice Age Cometh (The Saturday Review, March 24, 1973)
1973 – Weather-watchers think another ice age may be on the way (The Christian Science Monitor, December 11, 1973)
1974 – New evidence indicates ice age here (Eugene Register-Guard, May 29, 1974)
1974 – Another Ice Age? (Time Magazine, June 24, 1974)
1974 – 2 Scientists Think ‘Little’ Ice Age Near (The Hartford Courant, August 11, 1974)
1974 – Ice Age, worse food crisis seen (The Chicago Tribune, October 30, 1974)
1974 – Believes Pollution Could Bring On Ice Age (Ludington Daily News, December 4, 1974)
1974 – Pollution Could Spur Ice Age, Nasa Says (Beaver Country Times, ‎December 4, 1974‎)
1974 – Air Pollution May Trigger Ice Age, Scientists Feel (The Telegraph, ‎December 5, 1974‎)
1974 – More Air Pollution Could Trigger Ice Age Disaster (Daily Sentinel – ‎December 5, 1974‎)
1974 – Scientists Fear Smog Could Cause Ice Age (Milwaukee Journal, December 5, 1974)
1975 – Climate Changes Called Ominous (The New York Times, January 19, 1975)
1975 – Climate Change: Chilling Possibilities (Science News, March 1, 1975)
1975 – B-r-r-r-r: New Ice Age on way soon? (The Chicago Tribune, March 2, 1975)
1975 – Cooling Trends Arouse Fear That New Ice Age Coming (Eugene Register-Guard, ‎March 2, 1975‎)
1975 – Is Another Ice Age Due? Arctic Ice Expands In Last Decade (Youngstown Vindicator – ‎March 2, 1975‎)
1975 – Is Earth Headed For Another Ice Age? (Reading Eagle, March 2, 1975)
1975 – New Ice Age Dawning? Significant Shift In Climate Seen (Times Daily, ‎March 2, 1975‎)
1975 – There’s Troublesome Weather Ahead (Tri City Herald, ‎March 2, 1975‎)
1975 – Is Earth Doomed To Live Through Another Ice Age? (The Robesonian, ‎March 3, 1975‎)
1975 – The Ice Age cometh: the system that controls our climate (The Chicago Tribune, April 13, 1975)
1975 – The Cooling World (Newsweek, April 28, 1975)
1975 – Scientists Ask Why World Climate Is Changing; Major Cooling May Be Ahead (PDF) (The New York Times, May 21, 1975)
1975 – In the Grip of a New Ice Age? (International Wildlife, July-August, 1975)
1975 – Oil Spill Could Cause New Ice Age (Milwaukee Journal, December 11, 1975)
1976 – The Cooling: Has the Next Ice Age Already Begun? [Book] (Lowell Ponte, 1976)
1977 – Blizzard – What Happens if it Doesn’t Stop? [Book] (George Stone, 1977)
1977 – The Weather Conspiracy: The Coming of the New Ice Age [Book] (The Impact Team, 1977)
1976 – Worrisome CIA Report; Even U.S. Farms May be Hit by Cooling Trend (U.S. News & World Report, May 31, 1976)
1977 – The Big Freeze (Time Magazine, January 31, 1977)
1977 – We Will Freeze in the Dark (Capital Cities Communications Documentary, Host: Nancy Dickerson, April 12, 1977)
1978 – The New Ice Age [Book] (Henry Gilfond, 1978)
1978 – Little Ice Age: Severe winters and cool summers ahead (Calgary Herald, January 10, 1978)
1978 – Winters Will Get Colder, ‘we’re Entering Little Ice Age’ (Ellensburg Daily Record, January 10, 1978)
1978 – Geologist Says Winters Getting Colder (Middlesboro Daily News, January 16, 1978)
1978 – It’s Going To Get Colder (Boca Raton News, ‎January 17, 1978‎)
1978 – Believe new ice age is coming (The Bryan Times, March 31, 1978)
1978 – The Coming Ice Age (In Search Of TV Show, Season 2, Episode 23, Host: Leonard Nimoy, May 1978)
1978 – An Ice Age Is Coming Weather Expert Fears (Milwaukee Sentinel, November 17, 1978)
1979 – A Choice of Catastrophes – The Disasters That Threaten Our World [Book] (Isaac Asimov, 1979)
1979 – Get Ready to Freeze (Spokane Daily Chronicle, October 12, 1979)
1979 – New ice age almost upon us? (The Christian Science Monitor, November 14, 1979)

All from the 70s. Ever wonder what made most scientists change their minds? Old news is just that, old news. Join the 21st century.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Snopes is a left wing crazy house only good for non political issues.

Man up and own your fraud, fraud. You posted a fraudulent cover. Why? Because your masters fed you a lie, and being that you don't think, you simply believed without question.

At this point, you have a choice.

You can ask yourself why you follow such liars. You can take them to task, and renounce your worship of such liars.

Or you can drop to your knees and lick the boots of those liars with even more fervor.

Everyone knows you'll choose the latter. Such a good cult lapdog you are.

Please note that link is to TIME.

Doesn't change the fact that you posted a faked image.

Again, man up and own it.

You morons are ALWAYS wrong about everything. It's one doomsday scenario after another - and all turn out to be LIES.

1970 – Colder Winters Held Dawn of New Ice Age – Scientists See Ice Age In the Future (The Washington Post, January 11, 1970)
1970 – Is Mankind Manufacturing a New Ice Age for Itself? (L.A. Times, January 15, 1970)
1970 – New Ice Age May Descend On Man (Sumter Daily Item, January 26, 1970)
1970 – Pollution Prospect A Chilling One (Owosso Argus-Press, January 26, 1970)
1970 – Pollution’s 2-way ‘Freeze’ On Society (Middlesboro Daily News, January 28, 1970)
1970 – Cold Facts About Pollution (The Southeast Missourian, January 29, 1970)
1970 – Pollution Could Cause Ice Age, Agency Reports (St. Petersburg Times, March 4, 1970)
1970 – Pollution Called Ice Age Threat (St. Petersburg Times, June 26, 1970)
1970 – Dirt Will .Bring New Ice Age (The Sydney Morning Herald, October 19, 1970)
1971 – Ice Age Refugee Dies Underground (The Montreal Gazette, Febuary 17, 1971)
1971 – U.S. Scientist Sees New Ice Age Coming (The Washington Post, July 9, 1971)
1971 – Ice Age Around the Corner (Chicago Tribune, July 10, 1971)
1971 – New Ice Age Coming – It’s Already Getting Colder (L.A. Times, October 24, 1971)
1971 – Another Ice Age? Pollution Blocking Sunlight (The Day, November 1, 1971)
1971 – Air Pollution Could Bring An Ice Age (Harlan Daily Enterprise, November 4, 1971)
1972 – Air pollution may cause ice age (Free-Lance Star, February 3, 1972)
1972 – Scientist Says New ice Age Coming (The Ledger, February 13, 1972)
1972 – Scientist predicts new ice age (Free-Lance Star, September 11, 1972)
1972 – British expert on Climate Change says Says New Ice Age Creeping Over Northern Hemisphere (Lewiston Evening Journal, September 11, 1972)
1972 – Climate Seen Cooling For Return Of Ice Age (Portsmouth Times, ‎September 11, 1972‎)
1972 – New Ice Age Slipping Over North (Press-Courier, September 11, 1972)
1972 – Ice Age Begins A New Assault In North (The Age, September 12, 1972)
1972 – Weather To Get Colder (Montreal Gazette, ‎September 12, 1972‎)
1972 – British climate expert predicts new Ice Age (The Christian Science Monitor, September 23, 1972)
1972 – Scientist Sees Chilling Signs of New Ice Age (L.A. Times, September 24, 1972)
1972 – Science: Another Ice Age? (Time Magazine, November 13, 1972)
1973 – The Ice Age Cometh (The Saturday Review, March 24, 1973)
1973 – Weather-watchers think another ice age may be on the way (The Christian Science Monitor, December 11, 1973)
1974 – New evidence indicates ice age here (Eugene Register-Guard, May 29, 1974)
1974 – Another Ice Age? (Time Magazine, June 24, 1974)
1974 – 2 Scientists Think ‘Little’ Ice Age Near (The Hartford Courant, August 11, 1974)
1974 – Ice Age, worse food crisis seen (The Chicago Tribune, October 30, 1974)
1974 – Believes Pollution Could Bring On Ice Age (Ludington Daily News, December 4, 1974)
1974 – Pollution Could Spur Ice Age, Nasa Says (Beaver Country Times, ‎December 4, 1974‎)
1974 – Air Pollution May Trigger Ice Age, Scientists Feel (The Telegraph, ‎December 5, 1974‎)
1974 – More Air Pollution Could Trigger Ice Age Disaster (Daily Sentinel – ‎December 5, 1974‎)
1974 – Scientists Fear Smog Could Cause Ice Age (Milwaukee Journal, December 5, 1974)
1975 – Climate Changes Called Ominous (The New York Times, January 19, 1975)
1975 – Climate Change: Chilling Possibilities (Science News, March 1, 1975)
1975 – B-r-r-r-r: New Ice Age on way soon? (The Chicago Tribune, March 2, 1975)
1975 – Cooling Trends Arouse Fear That New Ice Age Coming (Eugene Register-Guard, ‎March 2, 1975‎)
1975 – Is Another Ice Age Due? Arctic Ice Expands In Last Decade (Youngstown Vindicator – ‎March 2, 1975‎)
1975 – Is Earth Headed For Another Ice Age? (Reading Eagle, March 2, 1975)
1975 – New Ice Age Dawning? Significant Shift In Climate Seen (Times Daily, ‎March 2, 1975‎)
1975 – There’s Troublesome Weather Ahead (Tri City Herald, ‎March 2, 1975‎)
1975 – Is Earth Doomed To Live Through Another Ice Age? (The Robesonian, ‎March 3, 1975‎)
1975 – The Ice Age cometh: the system that controls our climate (The Chicago Tribune, April 13, 1975)
1975 – The Cooling World (Newsweek, April 28, 1975)
1975 – Scientists Ask Why World Climate Is Changing; Major Cooling May Be Ahead (PDF) (The New York Times, May 21, 1975)
1975 – In the Grip of a New Ice Age? (International Wildlife, July-August, 1975)
1975 – Oil Spill Could Cause New Ice Age (Milwaukee Journal, December 11, 1975)
1976 – The Cooling: Has the Next Ice Age Already Begun? [Book] (Lowell Ponte, 1976)
1977 – Blizzard – What Happens if it Doesn’t Stop? [Book] (George Stone, 1977)
1977 – The Weather Conspiracy: The Coming of the New Ice Age [Book] (The Impact Team, 1977)
1976 – Worrisome CIA Report; Even U.S. Farms May be Hit by Cooling Trend (U.S. News & World Report, May 31, 1976)
1977 – The Big Freeze (Time Magazine, January 31, 1977)
1977 – We Will Freeze in the Dark (Capital Cities Communications Documentary, Host: Nancy Dickerson, April 12, 1977)
1978 – The New Ice Age [Book] (Henry Gilfond, 1978)
1978 – Little Ice Age: Severe winters and cool summers ahead (Calgary Herald, January 10, 1978)
1978 – Winters Will Get Colder, ‘we’re Entering Little Ice Age’ (Ellensburg Daily Record, January 10, 1978)
1978 – Geologist Says Winters Getting Colder (Middlesboro Daily News, January 16, 1978)
1978 – It’s Going To Get Colder (Boca Raton News, ‎January 17, 1978‎)
1978 – Believe new ice age is coming (The Bryan Times, March 31, 1978)
1978 – The Coming Ice Age (In Search Of TV Show, Season 2, Episode 23, Host: Leonard Nimoy, May 1978)
1978 – An Ice Age Is Coming Weather Expert Fears (Milwaukee Sentinel, November 17, 1978)
1979 – A Choice of Catastrophes – The Disasters That Threaten Our World [Book] (Isaac Asimov, 1979)
1979 – Get Ready to Freeze (Spokane Daily Chronicle, October 12, 1979)
1979 – New ice age almost upon us? (The Christian Science Monitor, November 14, 1979)

All from the 70s. Ever wonder what made most scientists change their minds? Old news is just that, old news. Join the 21st century.

So we are to ignore the doomsday climate scientists, I agree. We already know that.

 

[konradv]

All from the 70s. Ever wonder what made most scientists change their minds? Old news is just that, old news. Join the 21st century.

So we are to ignore the doomsday climate scientists, I agree. We already know that.

Afraid to answer the question? Why do you think so many scientists have changed their minds?

 

[BuckToothMoron]

Global warming has already been proven to be real. By scientists from every nation and culture in the world. And the kids have a strong case. It is their generation, and those after, that are going to have to bear the affects of our adding massive amounts of GHGs to the atmosphere.

See, you get enough fruitcakes thinking like batshit stupid OLDROCKS here, and they will push for us all to be living in the dark. Fortunately, when push comes to shove, this type of nonsense gets exposed.

 

[Crick]

Really? Where, when and by whom has it been exposed?

 

[Old Rocks]

Science is my tool in this debate. The science says AGW is valid. The science says global warming is a threat. The science says we are very close to the point of no return. You'll have to pardon me if I take that over the opinion of the Picayune Times Tribune.

And not one case of your "science" condemning those stories I linked to. Why? Because they all quote your "scientists".

What were climate scientists predicting in the 1970s?

A 1974 Time magazine article Another Ice Age? painted a similarly bleak picture:

"When meteorologists take an average of temperatures around the globe, they find that the atmosphere has been growing gradually cooler for the past three decades. The trend shows no indication of reversing. Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age."

Peer-Reviewed Literature
However, these are media articles, not scientific studies. A survey of peer reviewed scientific papers from 1965 to 1979 show that few papers predicted global cooling (7 in total). Significantly more papers (42 in total) predicted global warming (Peterson 2008). The large majority of climate research in the 1970s predicted the Earth would warm as a consequence of CO2. Rather than 1970s scientists predicting cooling, the opposite is the case.

Figure 1: Number of papers classified as predicting global cooling (blue) or warming (red). In no year were there more cooling papers than warming papers (Peterson 2008).

Scientific Consensus
In the 1970s, the most comprehensive study on climate change (and the closest thing to a scientific consensus at the time) was the 1975 US National Academy of Sciences/National Research Council Report. Their basic conclusion was "…we do not have a good quantitative understanding of our climate machine and what determines its course. Without the fundamental understanding, it does not seem possible to predict climate…"

On the contrary, in 1975, the PNAS paper stated that we did not have enough understanding of climate to make a reasonable forecast of the future climate.

 

[Old Rocks]

Here is the full text of that article;

Full text of "Understanding climatic change"

 

[Mattsy]

Obviously the parents and teachers of these kids are guilty of child abuse.


SEATTLE (AP) — Eight Seattle children should have "their day in court" to argue that Washington state and others aren't protecting them from climate change, a judge ruled.

King County Superior Court Judge Hollis Hill on Monday allowed the young petitioners to move ahead in their case against the state, writing that "it is time for these youth to have the opportunity to address their concerns in a court of law, concerns raised under statute and under the state and federal constitutions."

The petitioners, between 12 and 16 years old, had asked the judge last month to find the state Department of Ecology in contempt for failing to adequately protect them and future generations from global warming.

The judge on Monday said Ecology had complied with her orders by adopting the Clean Air Rule within the timeline set by the court, and so denied the youth's request to find Ecology in contempt.

But the judge allowed the young people to amend their complaint and move ahead with their constitutional claims "so as to have their day in court," she wrote.

Judge: Seattle Kids Can Move Ahead with Climate Rights Case

Republicans need to point this shit out and denigrate Democrats ENDLESSLY for it.

Nope. This is exactly what the legal system is for. Public redress of grievances. The purpose of the state is the security of our liberty, our democracy. Global warming is real. Extractive industry plans for it and the big transnationals use wind farms to power their own operations. It has a direct, adverse impact on national security.

 

[Mattsy]

That also means that global warming will have to be proven to be real or the petitioners will have no standing and the case dismissed. This could get interesting.

You have a compelling interest in your own safety and the state does not force you to give up your natural right of self-defense, particularly after the Freedman's Act, the Civil Rights Act of 1866, and the 14th, where the reconstructionists shifted the Creation paradigm from public supervision of the gov (militias and state rights) to a new regime of more personal defense. These were the Northern progressives. The NRA was founded as progressive, individual (libertarian) gov oversight organization to defend abolition and the 1866 Constitution.

So since you have a compelling interest in your own safety, you can file a friend of the court brief Amicus Curiae

 

[ptbw forever]

Obviously the parents and teachers of these kids are guilty of child abuse.


SEATTLE (AP) — Eight Seattle children should have "their day in court" to argue that Washington state and others aren't protecting them from climate change, a judge ruled.

King County Superior Court Judge Hollis Hill on Monday allowed the young petitioners to move ahead in their case against the state, writing that "it is time for these youth to have the opportunity to address their concerns in a court of law, concerns raised under statute and under the state and federal constitutions."

The petitioners, between 12 and 16 years old, had asked the judge last month to find the state Department of Ecology in contempt for failing to adequately protect them and future generations from global warming.

The judge on Monday said Ecology had complied with her orders by adopting the Clean Air Rule within the timeline set by the court, and so denied the youth's request to find Ecology in contempt.

But the judge allowed the young people to amend their complaint and move ahead with their constitutional claims "so as to have their day in court," she wrote.

Judge: Seattle Kids Can Move Ahead with Climate Rights Case

Republicans need to point this shit out and denigrate Democrats ENDLESSLY for it.

Nope. This is exactly what the legal system is for. Public redress of grievances. The purpose of the state is the security of our liberty, our democracy. Global warming is real. Extractive industry plans for it and the big transnationals use wind farms to power their own operations. It has a direct, adverse impact on national security.

Kids should not be thinking about "global warming".

I was brainwashed in middle school and early high school and I still didn't know what the hell I was talking about.

 

[Old Rocks]

I find that statement to be correct.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Obviously the parents and teachers of these kids are guilty of child abuse.


SEATTLE (AP) — Eight Seattle children should have "their day in court" to argue that Washington state and others aren't protecting them from climate change, a judge ruled.

King County Superior Court Judge Hollis Hill on Monday allowed the young petitioners to move ahead in their case against the state, writing that "it is time for these youth to have the opportunity to address their concerns in a court of law, concerns raised under statute and under the state and federal constitutions."

The petitioners, between 12 and 16 years old, had asked the judge last month to find the state Department of Ecology in contempt for failing to adequately protect them and future generations from global warming.

The judge on Monday said Ecology had complied with her orders by adopting the Clean Air Rule within the timeline set by the court, and so denied the youth's request to find Ecology in contempt.

But the judge allowed the young people to amend their complaint and move ahead with their constitutional claims "so as to have their day in court," she wrote.

Judge: Seattle Kids Can Move Ahead with Climate Rights Case

Any ruling this idiot judge makes will be quickly overturned

 

[Cellblock2429]

Global warming has already been proven to be real. By scientists from every nation and culture in the world. And the kids have a strong case. It is their generation, and those after, that are going to have to bear the affects of our adding massive amounts of GHGs to the atmosphere.

Nah it's based on computer models and emails exposed it as s hoax.

 

[Old Rocks]

Global warming has already been proven to be real. By scientists from every nation and culture in the world. And the kids have a strong case. It is their generation, and those after, that are going to have to bear the affects of our adding massive amounts of GHGs to the atmosphere.

Nah it's based on computer models and emails exposed it as s hoax.

So now we have another willfully ignorant 'Conservative' that never bothers to read the science.

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect