What Leftism Does to People

[Foxfyre]

By this, I can also make the assumption conservatives like judging many by a few. And there are a few American conservatives on this board that get just as disruptive.
As for the protesters, I already gave my opinion on that. They shouldn't be violent, but they shouldn't be convient . I should also add autocorrect has been replacing words on me. Lol because like many protesters I have an iPhone. But I love consumerism. .

You've just put your finger squarely on the reason I have most of the little twatmuffins on ignore: so I can go on discussing topics with the grown-ups and without their disruptions.

I have never put a member on ignore. Nor have I ever neg repped a member for any opinion expressed no matter how stupid, hateful, or judgmental. But I may have to change my ways in order to be able to enjoy USMB.

But it really does illustrate Klaven's point doesn't it? Leftists who aren't getting their way or who want to force somebody to give them what they want are too often likely to respect nobody and can get really ugly and hateful as well as destructive. Violating the rights and property of others and trying to make others miserable is the norm in the mob mentality as Klaven clearly illustrated.

But American conservatives don't seem to go that way.

I know the leftists hate this topic because it's pretty hard to dispute the thesis. I'm seeing Klaven's point of view reinforced as we go along and I think he has hit on something.

I won't excuse the rightwingers who enjoy the food fights and sniping and I agree that there are a few who can be disruptive. And I'll have to say that I am a bit frustrated that even a lot of the conservatives on the board don't seem to want to focus in on the topic.

So I'll ask you.

Do you agree with Klaven that it does seem to usually be those on the left who are being antisocial, disruptive, rude, and destructive in these public protests?

That the Tea Partiers and similar groups have not been guilty of that in recent years?

And if you will agree to that, do you agree with Klaven that it is something inherent in leftism that causes this phenomenon?

And if not, what does cause it?

Anybody else is welcome to answer that of course.

 

[Luissa]

He probably has a point in there. And it probably has more to do with my original answer in this thread. I would go into it more, and I will try to later, I think I will go die right now instead. Sorry

By this, I can also make the assumption conservatives like judging many by a few. And there are a few American conservatives on this board that get just as disruptive.
As for the protesters, I already gave my opinion on that. They shouldn't be violent, but they shouldn't be convient . I should also add autocorrect has been replacing words on me. Lol because like many protesters I have an iPhone. But I love consumerism. .

I have never put a member on ignore. Nor have I ever neg repped a member for any opinion expressed no matter how stupid, hateful, or judgmental. But I may have to change my ways in order to be able to enjoy USMB.

But it really does illustrate Klaven's point doesn't it? Leftists who aren't getting their way or who want to force somebody to give them what they want are too often likely to respect nobody and can get really ugly and hateful as well as destructive. Violating the rights and property of others and trying to make others miserable is the norm in the mob mentality as Klaven clearly illustrated.

But American conservatives don't seem to go that way.

I know the leftists hate this topic because it's pretty hard to dispute the thesis. I'm seeing Klaven's point of view reinforced as we go along and I think he has hit on something.

I won't excuse the rightwingers who enjoy the food fights and sniping and I agree that there are a few who can be disruptive. And I'll have to say that I am a bit frustrated that even a lot of the conservatives on the board don't seem to want to focus in on the topic.

So I'll ask you.

Do you agree with Klaven that it does seem to usually be those on the left who are being antisocial, disruptive, rude, and destructive in these public protests?

That the Tea Partiers and similar groups have not been guilty of that in recent years?

And if you will agree to that, do you agree with Klaven that it is something inherent in leftism that causes this phenomenon?

And if not, what does cause it?

Anybody else is welcome to answer that of course.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I really hope you didn't support Reagan or Bush.

And in a stunning new development, your opinion about what conservatives are and how they should behave STILL means less than a taco fart in a warm breeze. Then again, one could say that about ANY of your opinions, so . . .

So you did support both? Good to know.
And I have a high opinion of most cons I know. The condescending upity ones on this board are the only ones I have a low opinion of. I also have no opinion on how one should behave. I just have an opinion on people trying to push their beliefs on others, telling them how to behave then calling themselves classic liberals aka modern conservatives.

And still you persist in - falsely - believing your opinion means something. By all means, DO continue expounding to me on an opinion I already told is empty and meaningless. What ELSE do you think that I can not care about?

 

[Political Junky]

like the Left has Defended it in California?......Twice.....

Conservative democrats still exist

now we getting somewhere...........i usually get shit like the Mormons turned the tide.....bullshit.....there are many Left leaning people who just dont believe in gays marrying......and did not need no Mormon telling them that.....Junky just posted it was the "RIGHT WING LOONS" who did it.........yea right....in California.....

You're not very familiar with California, are you?

 

[Foxfyre]

And in a stunning new development, your opinion about what conservatives are and how they should behave STILL means less than a taco fart in a warm breeze. Then again, one could say that about ANY of your opinions, so . . .

So you did support both? Good to know.
And I have a high opinion of most cons I know. The condescending upity ones on this board are the only ones I have a low opinion of. I also have no opinion on how one should behave. I just have an opinion on people trying to push their beliefs on others, telling them how to behave then calling themselves classic liberals aka modern conservatives.

And still you persist in - falsely - believing your opinion means something. By all means, DO continue expounding to me on an opinion I already told is empty and meaningless. What ELSE do you think that I can not care about?

Well since I am obviously the 'uppity one' and the only one "forcing my opinion' on others by expressing what I think or believe, I suppose I'll just have to live with that. Silly me, I thought message boards were to discuss topics and I honestly don't know how to do that without expressing opinions. I suppose I could go the route some do and just personally insult people, but alas, I find that really boring and not something I would enjoy doing just to fit in. Oh well.

I would encourage Luissa to look up the definition for Classical Liberal though. Wikipedia actually has a pretty good one and I have shortened and condensed that into the definition I now use to save time. Geez, surely a leftist who is so much better than me can learn something.

But anyway, I guess I am so flawed that I think Klaven's thesis was right on. And so far nobody, and I do mean nobody, has offered ANY kind of argument to challenge it.

 

[francoHFW]

I'd feel better about conservatives if their facts weren't all misinformed Rush/Fox/Pubcrappe and they weren't brainwashed Rush/Foxbots/haters...

 

[Harry Dresden]

Conservative democrats still exist

now we getting somewhere...........i usually get shit like the Mormons turned the tide.....bullshit.....there are many Left leaning people who just dont believe in gays marrying......and did not need no Mormon telling them that.....Junky just posted it was the "RIGHT WING LOONS" who did it.........yea right....in California.....

You're not very familiar with California, are you?

no im not.....i have just been living here since 1967.....and work in a Liberal Democrat Unionized place.....where the majority have voiced their opinion on gay marriage many a time......and the AMERICAN Latino Males i live among have also voiced their opinions enough with me .....now how long have you lived here?....

 

[Political Junky]

now we getting somewhere...........i usually get shit like the Mormons turned the tide.....bullshit.....there are many Left leaning people who just dont believe in gays marrying......and did not need no Mormon telling them that.....Junky just posted it was the "RIGHT WING LOONS" who did it.........yea right....in California.....

You're not very familiar with California, are you?

no im not.....i have just been living here since 1967.....and work in a Liberal Democrat Unionized place.....where the majority have voiced their opinion on gay marriage many a time......and the AMERICAN Latino Males i live among have also voiced their opinions enough with me .....now how long have you lived here?....

Longer than you.
Southern California, especially Orange County, is very right wing.

 

[francoHFW]

The latino and black democrats who voted against gays in CAL. are hardly liberals on social questions. They just know who the racists are...LOL.

 

[Luissa]

So you did support both? Good to know.
And I have a high opinion of most cons I know. The condescending upity ones on this board are the only ones I have a low opinion of. I also have no opinion on how one should behave. I just have an opinion on people trying to push their beliefs on others, telling them how to behave then calling themselves classic liberals aka modern conservatives.

And still you persist in - falsely - believing your opinion means something. By all means, DO continue expounding to me on an opinion I already told is empty and meaningless. What ELSE do you think that I can not care about?

Well since I am obviously the 'uppity one' and the only one "forcing my opinion' on others by expressing what I think or believe, I suppose I'll just have to live with that. Silly me, I thought message boards were to discuss topics and I honestly don't know how to do that without expressing opinions. I suppose I could go the route some do and just personally insult people, but alas, I find that really boring and not something I would enjoy doing just to fit in. Oh well.

I would encourage Luissa to look up the definition for Classical Liberal though. Wikipedia actually has a pretty good one and I have shortened and condensed that into the definition I now use to save time. Geez, surely a leftist who is so much better than me can learn something.

But anyway, I guess I am so flawed that I think Klaven's thesis was right on. And so far nobody, and I do mean nobody, has offered ANY kind of argument to challenge it.

Actually, when making the comment I wasn't really thinking of you.
I have never liked Cecile MO, she always speaks down to people including some who share her same beliefs. That is my biggest issue with conservative women. If we do not live the way they do, and share their same beliefs they treat us like we are less of a person.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I'd feel better about conservatives if their facts weren't all misinformed Rush/Fox/Pubcrappe and they weren't brainwashed Rush/Foxbots/haters...

Translated: I would feel better about conservatives if they would all just start thinking like me.

 

[Cecilie1200]

And still you persist in - falsely - believing your opinion means something. By all means, DO continue expounding to me on an opinion I already told is empty and meaningless. What ELSE do you think that I can not care about?

Well since I am obviously the 'uppity one' and the only one "forcing my opinion' on others by expressing what I think or believe, I suppose I'll just have to live with that. Silly me, I thought message boards were to discuss topics and I honestly don't know how to do that without expressing opinions. I suppose I could go the route some do and just personally insult people, but alas, I find that really boring and not something I would enjoy doing just to fit in. Oh well.

I would encourage Luissa to look up the definition for Classical Liberal though. Wikipedia actually has a pretty good one and I have shortened and condensed that into the definition I now use to save time. Geez, surely a leftist who is so much better than me can learn something.

But anyway, I guess I am so flawed that I think Klaven's thesis was right on. And so far nobody, and I do mean nobody, has offered ANY kind of argument to challenge it.

Actually, when making the comment I wasn't really thinking of you.
I have never liked Cecile MO, she always speaks down to people including some who share her same beliefs. That is my biggest issue with conservative women. If we do not live the way they do, and share their same beliefs they treat us like we are less of a person.

Like I keep telling you, Chuckles. If you want respect, you have to earn it. You can't just demand it. The more you talk, the less respect you deserve. And since I'm not a liberal, I don't feel the need to kiss the ass of anyone who happens to accidentally fall into having the same belief as me on something, with no frigging clue why or ability to explain it. Unlike some, I'm not desperate for approbation and agreement.

Oh, and it's not how you live your life that fills me with contempt. It's really just how incredibly stupid you are (which, admittedly, is often obvious in the shit sandwich that you've made of your life and how blind you are to the causality). You're a walking advertisement for "Men were right: women really ARE only good for sex." Those of us who pride ourselves on having more to offer the world than our coochies are really embarrassed by females like you.

 

[francoHFW]

I'd feel better about conservatives if their facts weren't all misinformed Rush/Fox/Pubcrappe and they weren't brainwashed Rush/Foxbots/haters...

Translated: I would feel better about conservatives if they would all just start thinking like me.

No, read my signature. FACTS dittoheads DON"T know, and BS they do think they know as true. All documented. Very bad citizens- love being brainwashed haters...change the channel.

 

[AquaAthena]

Leftism will kill America and the Western World!

What Leftism does to people? It enslaves them and strangles their spirit, until it is too late and they are too powerless to do anything about it. It renders a Stepford society.

 

[Foxfyre]

And still you persist in - falsely - believing your opinion means something. By all means, DO continue expounding to me on an opinion I already told is empty and meaningless. What ELSE do you think that I can not care about?

Well since I am obviously the 'uppity one' and the only one "forcing my opinion' on others by expressing what I think or believe, I suppose I'll just have to live with that. Silly me, I thought message boards were to discuss topics and I honestly don't know how to do that without expressing opinions. I suppose I could go the route some do and just personally insult people, but alas, I find that really boring and not something I would enjoy doing just to fit in. Oh well.

I would encourage Luissa to look up the definition for Classical Liberal though. Wikipedia actually has a pretty good one and I have shortened and condensed that into the definition I now use to save time. Geez, surely a leftist who is so much better than me can learn something.

But anyway, I guess I am so flawed that I think Klaven's thesis was right on. And so far nobody, and I do mean nobody, has offered ANY kind of argument to challenge it.

Actually, when making the comment I wasn't really thinking of you.
I have never liked Cecile MO, she always speaks down to people including some who share her same beliefs. That is my biggest issue with conservative women. If we do not live the way they do, and share their same beliefs they treat us like we are less of a person.

I don't have any reason not to take you at your word on that despite your less than complimentary judgments of me in the past. But I think the problem is that conservative women know what they believe, why they believe it, and can articulate it. I think the leftists probably intuit more without complete clarity and that makes it more dfficult to articulate an opinion. It is why Tea Partiers are so clear in what their goals are and why the Occupy groups are far less clear on what they want or why they want it or who they want it from.

That is not making anybody less of a person. And it is no different than the leftists telling we conservatives that we want to ram religion down people's throats or force women to be enslaved to unwanted children or take away lunches from school kids or any of the other ridiculous things we are accused of.

Those who insult people, unless it is the typical USMB food fight, are treating people as less than people, however, and both sides do it.

To disagree with somebody does not treat anybody as less of a person. To presume to judge them does.

 

[barry1960]

I voted 'left unchecked leftism will destroy American as we know it'. For the simple reason that I have seen what left wing policies have done to the UK. It is not a bad country, but its people have, for the most part, lost their ability to stand on their own two feet. They expect government to 'take care of' them. I constantly hear Brits wanting to 'ban' this or 'ban' that... anything they disagree with. Their concept of free speech is laughable. They are like sheep - nice people, but most definitely sheep.

Of course, there are exceptions to the rule, but many older people say the country is not the one their generation fought and died to preserve. I find that sad.

Especially what they suffered in WWII at the hands of the National Socialist Party of Germany...

There was nothing socialist about the Nazi party, it was a fascist dictatorship. I hope you don't get all your history from Mel Gibson movies.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I'd feel better about conservatives if their facts weren't all misinformed Rush/Fox/Pubcrappe and they weren't brainwashed Rush/Foxbots/haters...

Translated: I would feel better about conservatives if they would all just start thinking like me.

No, read my signature. FACTS dittoheads DON"T know, and BS they do think they know as true. All documented. Very bad citizens- love being brainwashed haters...change the channel.

Amazingly enough, I made my statement AFTER having already seen your signature. And now that you've directed my attention to it yet again, I still stand by my statement.

You believe "wrong" is defined as "not believing what I do", and you would only feel better about conservatives if they would start thinking just like you. Furthermore, it doesn't seem to occur to you that people can understand what you think perfectly, and STILL think you're both wrong and a narrowminded dick.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I voted 'left unchecked leftism will destroy American as we know it'. For the simple reason that I have seen what left wing policies have done to the UK. It is not a bad country, but its people have, for the most part, lost their ability to stand on their own two feet. They expect government to 'take care of' them. I constantly hear Brits wanting to 'ban' this or 'ban' that... anything they disagree with. Their concept of free speech is laughable. They are like sheep - nice people, but most definitely sheep.

Of course, there are exceptions to the rule, but many older people say the country is not the one their generation fought and died to preserve. I find that sad.

Especially what they suffered in WWII at the hands of the National Socialist Party of Germany...

There was nothing socialist about the Nazi party, it was a fascist dictatorship. I hope you don't get all your history from Mel Gibson movies.

Could be he got it from the name: National SOCIALIST Party.

If you don't like history, I suggest you go dig up the Nazis and argue with them.

 

[logical4u]

The whole left vs right thing is just a distraction. It's what the powers at be (both sides) do in order to keep themselves in power. Whoever classifies themselves as a "leftist" or a "rightist" has already fallen for the brainwashing of the media/politicians. Is it any wonder why people who question both sides are called radicals? The real radical is somebody who believes/supports one belief system in it's entirety-because they're told to.

In other words: anybody who agrees with any set of political beliefs 100% isn't thinking. Because when the left calls Bush out on disregarding the constitution to wage war-but don't hold the same standards to Obama...it's because he's "on their side". Same thing when the right didn't mind Bush starting Iraq at that time, yet now call Obama out for Libya. It's being good little soldiers and following the orders the leaders of the parties tell you to do.

I disagree, we have not had a seriously conservative gov't in decades. We had one, lone President that tried hard, but he did not have the support of the congress. When election time comes around, we have the "other side" allowed to vote in our primaries that reject any conservative canidate. How is that giving conservatives representatives?

 

[logical4u]

Really cool.....

My favorite part

.When the state is permitted to make the individual’s moral choices, the individual is forced to become either a slave or a criminal;

No wonder everyone fears Libruls

He says this while praising the tea party. If I put money on it, I would bet most are against gay marriage, are pro life, and against the legalization of marijuana.

Apparently "it is for the children" is just a slogan to you.