What is the goal of capitalism?

If the world is mostly capitalist, under the heel and control of the US-run economic system, then when the United States imposes sanctions upon a country, all other capitalist countries fall in line lest they suffer the same fate as the countries that are being sanctioned. Most capitalist countries would trade with Cuba and Venezuela, but they're afraid of the United States, imposing fines and sanctions upon them. They turn poor, developing socialist countries, trying to get on their feet, into international lepers, that no one wants to touch due to American bullying and threats.

Are you aware that any cargo ship that anchors in Cuba or Venezuela, can't anchor in an American port for six months? Cargo ships are expensive and to have them barred from the largest economy in the world, after anchoring in a Cuban or Venezuelan port isn't an option. That undermines their business and trade, hence they avoid Cuba and Venezuela.

If the world is mostly capitalist, under the heel and control of the US-run economic system

Was the USSR under the heel of the US? Is that why they lost the Cold War? LOL!

Most capitalist countries would trade with Cuba and Venezuela,

Why would Cuba and Venezuela want to trade with capitalists?
Won't they get capitalist cooties?

They turn poor, developing socialist countries,

They didn't get wealthy when they became socialist?

Are you aware that any cargo ship that anchors in Cuba or Venezuela, can't anchor in an American port for six months?

That's awesome!
 
Offer people jobs? Yeah, that's the worst!

Slave masters and feudal lords also offered job opportunities and benefits to their slaves and serfs, but that's irrelevant because, like capitalism, those systems of production were oppressive. The relationship between capitalist employers and their employees isn't that much different than that of a master and a slave, and that's why Adam Smith the father of capitalism, identifies capitalist employers as "masters", as I showed in a previous post. As communists, we declare, "No gods, No masters".

Capitalism is a system of human exploitation that undermines democracy and human progress. It will, just like chattel slavery and feudalism, go the way of the dodo, as advanced automation and artificial intelligence continue to advance, making production more efficient and easier.


The labor is cheap? Was it cheaper before capitalism? Where?
Where did capitalism increase poverty? Be specific.


In every exploited, developing nation in the third world, in Latin America, Africa, and Asia, you'll find the detrimental effects of capitalism, in the form of gross inequality, a low standard of living, lack of regulations for commerce, lack of worker-rights and labor unions..etc. Practically every nation, from Honduras to Congo, is under the heel of foreign colonial powers and capitalist elites.






They'll make more money in the empire, and hopefully live a better life. Capitalism essentially is the exploitation of human labor by a wealthy class of private property owners, in pursuit of their profits. However, in the global north or empire workers tend to make more money and enjoy a higher standard of living, hence why people migrate to the north from the global south. It's that simple. Watch the video I embedded above for more information on how that works.



The exploitation in the empire is less, due to a more robust government regulatory structure protecting the rights of workers, and workers make more money. That's obviously why they come here.



No, he never starved anyone. That's nothing more than Western Cold War propaganda.



You ignore the evidence presented to you and pretend people are lying. That's your problem, not mine.




If the world is mostly capitalist, under the heel and control of the US-run economic system, then when the United States imposes sanctions upon a country, all other capitalist countries fall in line lest they suffer the same fate as the countries that are being sanctioned. Most capitalist countries would trade with Cuba and Venezuela, but they're afraid of the United States, imposing fines and sanctions upon them. They turn poor, developing socialist countries, trying to get on their feet, into international lepers, that no one wants to touch due to American bullying and threats.

Are you aware that any cargo ship that anchors in Cuba or Venezuela, can't anchor in an American port for six months? Cargo ships are expensive and to have them barred from the largest economy in the world, after anchoring in a Cuban or Venezuelan port isn't an option. That undermines their business and trade, hence they avoid Cuba and Venezuela.

Banks around the world are afraid to do business with Cubans and Venezuelans because the US often audits their business transactions and if they see that the bank is doing business with any of these sanctioned countries, they get fined.



Unfortunately, we don't live in that ideal world where all nations have communist economies. We live in a capitalist-run world, hence communists have to either trade with a few communist nations or with capitalist-run nations willing to do business with communists. As a communist I'm willing to do business with capitalists, provided I'm not under their control and rule, being exploited by them.



Communists have to survive in a world that is mostly run by capitalists, so interacting with them is necessary and unavoidable. If communists are constantly being sanctioned economically, by powerful capitalist empires that control most of the world's trade, and they're threatening other capitalist nations not to trade with communists, then that's going to make the situation much more difficult for communists than it would be if everyone could trade freely, without restrictions and threats.

So again, you don't have much of an argument against communism, when the US, the world's capitalist empire and hegemon, is imposing brutal sanctions on developing socialist countries and threatening them with war. When the US isolates these developing socialist countries by threatening everyone who chooses to trade and establish normal diplomatic relations with them, that's an act of war. No one can reasonably expect these small, developing countries to properly develop, while at war with the world's current most powerful capitalist empire.


Communists have to survive in a world that is mostly run by capitalists,

Because communism doesn't work.
 
In every exploited, developing nation in the third world, in Latin America, Africa, and Asia, you'll find the detrimental effects of capitalism, in the form of gross inequality, a low standard of living, lack of regulations for commerce, lack of worker-rights and labor unions..etc. Practically every nation, from Honduras to Congo, is under the heel of foreign colonial powers and capitalist elites.

Any evidence that they were better off before capitalism came and offered them jobs?

Your reasoning is flawed. First of all, whatever was their condition before European colonialism and capitalism, is irrelevant.

Capitalism is a system of human exploitation that keeps these countries destitute, due to the capitalist pursuit of profits and power, which includes controlling resources and markets. Imperialists keep these countries dirt poor and communists, whenever they get in power, improve their lives until the US starts attacking them militarily, arming rebels, and imposing economic sanctions.

The American capitalist empire uses its military might and political influence, to destroy any attempt by third-world people to assert ownership over their nation's resources and markets, through a democratic, socialist political system and economy. That's unacceptable to the world's capitalist big bully empire-hegemon, the United States, leading to war in that country or a brutal economic embargo.

As far as what was the condition of these nations before Western colonialism and capitalism, watch this:












I know Todd doesn't give a flying F%$k about any of the videos I just embedded above, but if you're a truth seeker, consider the information in the above videos as a start in your research.
 
Communists have to survive in a world that is mostly run by capitalists,

Because communism doesn't work.
That's an irrational assertion. That's like me saying that capitalism doesn't work, because most of the world's economies are run by slave labor and feudalism. That's like me saying that Republican democracies don't work, because most of the world is dominated by monarchies. You just continue, time and time again, to make silly assertions. Learn to think.
 
If the world is mostly capitalist, under the heel and control of the US-run economic system

Was the USSR under the heel of the US? Is that why they lost the Cold War? LOL!

Most capitalist countries would trade with Cuba and Venezuela,

Why would Cuba and Venezuela want to trade with capitalists?
Won't they get capitalist cooties?

They turn poor, developing socialist countries,

They didn't get wealthy when they became socialist?

Are you aware that any cargo ship that anchors in Cuba or Venezuela, can't anchor in an American port for six months?

That's awesome!

Was the USSR under the heel of the US? Is that why they lost the Cold War? LOL!

Do you believe the mercantile class of the 1500s or the 17th century, with its Republican politics and move against the royal aristocracy of Europe, politically and economically, didn't have its defeats? Did the merchants become the powerful capitalist industrialists who replaced the kings of Europe and feudalism, overnight? Did it take one single swoop of their swords to establish capitalism as the world's economic system, replacing chattel slavery and feudalism? Your reasoning is shallow and irrational.

We've already gone over this in the past but for the sake of others, I'll respond to your disingenuous rhetoric. Pre-Soviet Russia was even poorer than the USSR, and suffered more famines and scarcity of resources.etc. The USSR was a new nation that turned an under-industrialized, agrarian country into the second most powerful superpower in the world, rivaling the US economically and militarily.

The US, UK, France and several other countries, invaded Soviet Russia in 1918, shortly after the end of WW1. That attempt to eliminate the Russian socialists failed. In 1941, the USSR was invaded by four million Germans. It lost much of its infrastructure and about 14% of its population (28 million dead). After WW2, despite not having any assistance from the United States as Western Europe and Japan had through the "Marshal Plan", the communists picked themselves up by their bootstraps and rebuilt their nation, making it once again, a world power. It became a nuclear superpower by 1960, not that long after suffering the devastation of WW2. They were sending manned rockets into space before the United States.

So to pretend that the USSR wasn't a great attempt to establish a communist state is just dishonest. Sure communists failed, with the USSR, but Rocky is coming back. Didn't Apollo win in the first Rocky? Rocky lost, but he came back didn't he? The 21st century is going to have a lot of surprises for people like Todd. Communism is coming back with a vengeance. Advanced automation and artificial intelligence pretty much ensures communism is going to be the successor of capitalism. Western society is going to be forced by necessity (without one shot being fired), to adopt a non-profit, marketless, rational, and centrally planned system of mass production. It's coming to a theater near you, except this movie is non-fictional. It's real life.


Why would Cuba and Venezuela want to trade with capitalists?
Won't they get capitalist cooties?

That's like saying why should democracies want to trade with monarchies or why should Christians want to have Muslims eating at their restaurant. It's just more Todd fuzzy logic.


They didn't get wealthy when they became socialist?

More silly, disingenuous questions when I already explained to you why developing countries that identify themselves as socialist are struggling economically.

Countries that don't identify outwardly as socialist, yet have mixed economies full of socialist policies, are doing quite well. Those policies that you're always identifying as "commie", getting all bent out of shape when I mention them, are taken for granted in Western Europe. The reason all of Western Europe isn't sanctioned by the US for being "commie", is because they don't identify outwardly as having socialist economies, despite having very socialist economies.

I could just as well point to the most industrialized nations on Earth, as examples of market socialism. Markets are permitted in socialism, under strict government control. That's essentially capitalism in Western Europe. It's capitalism under strict socialist control. I'm more of a purest, I believe markets should be flushed down the toilet, especially today with all of the advanced automation and artificial intelligence that we have available. We don't need markets anymore.
 
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Your reasoning is flawed. First of all, whatever was their condition before European colonialism and capitalism, is irrelevant.

Capitalism is a system of human exploitation that keeps these countries destitute, due to the capitalist pursuit of profits and power, which includes controlling resources and markets. Imperialists keep these countries dirt poor and communists, whenever they get in power, improve their lives until the US starts attacking them militarily, arming rebels, and imposing economic sanctions.

The American capitalist empire uses its military might and political influence, to destroy any attempt by third-world people to assert ownership over their nation's resources and markets, through a democratic, socialist political system and economy. That's unacceptable to the world's capitalist big bully empire-hegemon, the United States, leading to war in that country or a brutal economic embargo.

As far as what was the condition of these nations before Western colonialism and capitalism, watch this:












I know Todd doesn't give a flying F%$k about any of the videos I just embedded above, but if you're a truth seeker, consider the information in the above videos as a start in your research.


Your reasoning is flawed. First of all, whatever was their condition before European colonialism and capitalism, is irrelevant.

You said capitalism created poverty. Sounds like you think it made things worse.
You have no evidence.

I'm shocked!
 
That's an irrational assertion. That's like me saying that capitalism doesn't work, because most of the world's economies are run by slave labor and feudalism. That's like me saying that Republican democracies don't work, because most of the world is dominated by monarchies. You just continue, time and time again, to make silly assertions. Learn to think.

If communism worked, communist nations would be more successful than capitalist nations. Instead, they're shitholes.
Citizens from capitalist nations don't flee toward communist nations, strange.
The people who know best about the failures of communism flee to capitalist nations.
And western commies tell them they're wrong, while remaining in the west.

You're a clown and everyone can see it.
 
Do you believe the mercantile class of the 1500s or the 17th century, with its Republican politics and move against the royal aristocracy of Europe, politically and economically, didn't have its defeats? Did the merchants become the powerful capitalist industrialists who replaced the kings of Europe and feudalism, overnight? Did it take one single swoop of their swords to establish capitalism as the world's economic system, replacing chattel slavery and feudalism? Your reasoning is shallow and irrational.

We've already gone over this in the past but for the sake of others, I'll respond to your disingenuous rhetoric. Pre-Soviet Russia was even poorer than the USSR, and suffered more famines and scarcity of resources.etc. The USSR was a new nation that turned an under-industrialized, agrarian country into the second most powerful superpower in the world, rivaling the US economically and militarily.

The US, UK, France and several other countries, invaded Soviet Russia in 1918, shortly after the end of WW1. That attempt to eliminate the Russian socialists failed. In 1941, the USSR was invaded by four million Germans. It lost much of its infrastructure and about 14% of its population (28 million dead). After WW2, despite not having any assistance from the United States as Western Europe and Japan had through the "Marshal Plan", the communists picked themselves up by their bootstraps and rebuilt their nation, making it once again, a world power. It became a nuclear superpower by 1960, not that long after suffering the devastation of WW2. They were sending manned rockets into space before the United States.

So to pretend that the USSR wasn't a great attempt to establish a communist state is just dishonest. Sure communists failed, with the USSR, but Rocky is coming back. Didn't Apollo win in the first Rocky? Rocky lost, but he came back didn't he? The 21st century is going to have a lot of surprises for people like Todd. Communism is coming back with a vengeance. Advanced automation and artificial intelligence pretty much ensures communism is going to be the successor of capitalism. Western society is going to be forced by necessity (without one shot being fired), to adopt a non-profit, marketless, rational, and centrally planned system of mass production. It's coming to a theater near you, except this movie is non-fictional. It's real life.



That's like saying why should democracies want to trade with monarchies or why should Christians want to have Muslims eating at their restaurant. It's just more Todd fuzzy logic.




More silly, disingenuous questions when I already explained to you why developing countries that identify themselves as socialist are struggling economically.

Countries that don't identify outwardly as socialist, yet have mixed economies full of socialist policies, are doing quite well. Those policies that you're always identifying as "commie", getting all bent out of shape when I mention them, are taken for granted in Western Europe. The reason all of Western Europe isn't sanctioned by the US for being "commie", is because they don't identify outwardly as having socialist economies, despite having very socialist economies.

I could just as well point to the most industrialized nations on Earth, as examples of market socialism. Markets are permitted in socialism, under strict government control. That's essentially capitalism in Western Europe. It's capitalism under strict socialist control. I'm more of a purest, I believe markets should be flushed down the toilet, especially today with all of the advanced automation and artificial intelligence that we have available. We don't need markets anymore.

Pre-Soviet Russia was even poorer than the USSR,

Now give an example where a pre-capitalist country was wealthier before capitalism.



Sure communists failed, with the USSR, but Rocky is coming back. Didn't Apollo win in the first Rocky? Rocky lost, but he came back didn't he?

Rocky came back and beat Drago in Rocky IV.

I'm more of a purest, I believe markets should be flushed down the toilet,

You've already established the fact that you're an idiot. Stop digging.
 
Pre-Soviet Russia was even poorer than the USSR,

Now give an example where a pre-capitalist country was wealthier before capitalism.



Sure communists failed, with the USSR, but Rocky is coming back. Didn't Apollo win in the first Rocky? Rocky lost, but he came back didn't he?

Rocky came back and beat Drago in Rocky IV.

I'm more of a purest, I believe markets should be flushed down the toilet,

You've already established the fact that you're an idiot. Stop digging.
My point stands, that the USSR improved conditions in Russia from what they were under the Tsar. The fact that the Soviet Union eventually failed, doesn't nullify its accomplishments, nor does it imply communism won't replace capitalism in the future. Given advanced automation and artificial intelligence, it's pretty clear which system of production is going to replace the other. It's not one based on wage labor as capitalism is but rather a non-profit mode of mass production, a.k.a. communism. Todd knows this and is irked by it, that's why he never mentions or says anything about this topic which I often mention in my posts.











Advanced 21st century automation and AI, guarantee socialism's victory over capitalism.
 
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If communism worked, communist nations would be more successful than capitalist nations. Instead, they're shitholes.
Citizens from capitalist nations don't flee toward communist nations, strange.
The people who know best about the failures of communism flee to capitalist nations.
And western commies tell them they're wrong, while remaining in the west.

You're a clown and everyone can see it.
You're conveniently forgetting that the US and its cronies, currently control the world's economy and politics, hence to expect a handful of communist flowers to successfully bud in a huge field of well-entrenched capitalist weeds is unreasonable. Capitalism took centuries to replace feudalism and Europe's royal aristocracy, so if communism hasn't replaced capitalism yet, it says nothing about whether It can and will in the future. You're just continually falling into really bad reasoning.

Communism will replace capitalism eventually as advanced automation and artificial intelligence continue to develop and replace wage labor. Capitalism is a system of mass production that relies on human wage labor, so it's just a matter of time before societies are forced by necessity to adopt communism.
 
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Your reasoning is flawed. First of all, whatever was their condition before European colonialism and capitalism, is irrelevant.

You said capitalism created poverty. Sounds like you think it made things worse.
You have no evidence.

I'm shocked!
Capitalism fails across the board, from beginning to end it's a disaster for humanity.
 
My point stands, that the USSR improved conditions in Russia from what they were under the Tsar. The fact that the Soviet Union eventually failed, doesn't nullify its accomplishments, nor does it imply communism won't replace capitalism in the future. Given advanced automation and artificial intelligence, it's pretty clear which system of production is going to replace the other. It's not one based on wage labor as capitalism is but rather a non-profit mode of mass production, a.k.a. communism. Todd knows this and is irked by it, that's why he never mentions or says anything about this topic which I often mention in my posts.











Advanced 21st century automation and AI, guarantee socialism's victory over capitalism.


My point stands, that the USSR improved conditions in Russia from what they were under the Tsar.

It's true under the Tsar, Russia was a shithole.

Still no example of a country doing well and then getting worse when capitalism was introduced?

That's funny.
 
Capitalism flourishes when it doesn't trade with commie shitholes.

Capitalism does not care who it trades.

Capitalism knows no border, no language, no political ideology.

True capitalism will trade with anyone and everyone
 
Capitalism flourishes when it doesn't trade with commie shitholes.

What happens to commie shitholes when capitalist countries don't trade with them?

Hilarious!

If countries with communist economies are shitholes due to communism then there's no need to bully and threaten the world not to trade and establish normal diplomatic relations with them. All of the saber-rattling and dirty tactics wouldn't be necessary, but since the American capitalist ruling elites are afraid of communism proving successful, they are constantly trying to destroy it. They know that communism, especially socialism with its option for regulated, centrally planned markets, is extremely effective.

As I mentioned in a previous post, whenever I mention certain government economic policies and social programs your Tourette syndrome starts firing, "Soviet Soviet, Stalin, Gulag, Soviet"...yet these government policies are taken for granted in most of the modern industrialized world. Western Europe, Japan, and even South Korea and Taiwan.

"TOKYO – JSR, one of the world’s two leading producers of photoresists for the semiconductor industry, will be bought out by the government-controlled Japan Investment Corporation (JIC) and delisted from the Tokyo Stock Exchange"


The Todds in the US government and private industry, are going to start complaining, "Soviet Soviet, Stalin, Gulag, Soviet, Japan nationalizing producer of photoresists for the semiconductor industry, Soviet Soviet Soviet...".

Whether it's recognizing healthcare and education as a human right, and providing such services free at the point of service or heavy government involvement in certain vital, heavy industries, these countries take the government policies and programs that Todd considers "Stalin Stalin, Soviet, Gulag, Stalin", for granted. It's normal for them to have a more mixed economy, socialism with capitalism. So from the perspective of right-wing Republican conservatives in the US and all of the Todds, whether you recognize it or not, these nations are "commie".

The American right-wing conservatives are constantly accusing progressives like Bernie Sanders and AOC of being "commies" for advocating for policies that are"commie" while ignoring the fact that most of the developed world is "COMMIE". Durrrrr.

For all of the truth seekers, notice how he ignores everything I said in my last few posts about how advanced automation and artificial intelligence eventually forces society by necessity to adopt a system of production not requiring wage-labor. The only mode of mass production that doesn't require wage-labor is marketless, non-profit socialism/communism.

He remains silent on this issue because he knows I will wipe the floor with him if he attempts to debate me on this specific issue. The billionaires are crapping in their pants seeing the writing on the wall, for capitalism due to advanced, 21st-century automation and artificial intelligence. Socialism is the natural successor of capitalism, and Todd knows it. That's why he's so nasty. It irks him, knowing that socialism is the obvious, natural "inheritor" of the capitalist "estate". Capitalism automates itself into oblivion, handing over its assets to socialism/communism.
 
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My point stands, that the USSR improved conditions in Russia from what they were under the Tsar.

It's true under the Tsar, Russia was a shithole.

Still no example of a country doing well and then getting worse when capitalism was introduced?

That's funny.
I presented the evidence, but you just ignored it. Why should I continue repeating myself?
 
If countries with communist economies are shitholes due to communism then there's no need to bully and threaten the world not to trade and establish normal diplomatic relations with them. All of the saber-rattling and dirty tactics wouldn't be necessary, but since the American capitalist ruling elites are afraid of communism proving successful, they are constantly trying to destroy it. They know that communism, especially socialism with its option for regulated, centrally planned markets, is extremely effective.

As I mentioned in a previous post, whenever I mention certain government economic policies and social programs your Tourette syndrome starts firing, "Soviet Soviet, Stalin, Gulag, Soviet"...yet these government policies are taken for granted in most of the modern industrialized world. Western Europe, Japan, and even South Korea and Taiwan.

"TOKYO – JSR, one of the world’s two leading producers of photoresists for the semiconductor industry, will be bought out by the government-controlled Japan Investment Corporation (JIC) and delisted from the Tokyo Stock Exchange"


The Todds in the US government and private industry, are going to start complaining, "Soviet Soviet, Stalin, Gulag, Soviet, Japan nationalizing producer of photoresists for the semiconductor industry, Soviet Soviet Soviet...".

Whether it's recognizing healthcare and education as a human right, and providing such services free at the point of service or heavy government involvement in certain vital, heavy industries, these countries take the government policies and programs that Todd considers "Stalin Stalin, Soviet, Gulag, Stalin", for granted. It's normal for them to have a more mixed economy, socialism with capitalism. So from the perspective of right-wing Republican conservatives in the US and all of the Todds, whether you recognize it or not, these nations are "commie".

The American right-wing conservatives are constantly accusing progressives like Bernie Sanders and AOC of being "commies" for advocating for policies that are"commie" while ignoring the fact that most of the developed world is "COMMIE". Durrrrr.

If countries with communist economies are shitholes due to communism then there's no need to bully and threaten the world not to trade and establish normal diplomatic relations with them.

If the communist countries weren't such assholes, we wouldn't need to bully them.
 
If countries with communist economies are shitholes due to communism then there's no need to bully and threaten the world not to trade and establish normal diplomatic relations with them.

If the communist countries weren't such assholes, we wouldn't need to bully them.
The communist countries being supposed "assholes" doesn't give the US empire the right to impose economic embargoes and continually threaten these countries with war and destruction. The reason Todds can't peacefully co-exist with developing communist nations is that the American capitalist class is scared that if communist countries successfully develop, it might give the American working class the idea that they don't need capitalism or capitalists to run their economy.

That's the nightmare of the American capitalist elites. Having a well-developed, industrialized, communist Cuba 90 miles away from Florida, setting a good example of what is possible with a communist economy, to all working-class Americans (94% of the US population). That's the only reason that the US imposes economic embargoes on communists and threatens the world not to trade or establish normal diplomatic relations.
 
The communist countries being supposed "assholes" doesn't give the US empire the right to impose economic embargoes and continually threaten these countries with war and destruction. The reason Todds can't peacefully co-exist with developing communist nations is that the American capitalist class is scared that if communist countries successfully develop, it might give the American working class the idea that they don't need capitalism or capitalists to run their economy.

That's the nightmare of the American capitalist elites. Having a well-developed, industrialized, communist Cuba 90 miles away from Florida, setting a good example of what is possible with a communist economy, to all working-class Americans (94% of the US population). That's the only reason that the US imposes economic embargoes on communists and threatens the world not to trade or establish normal diplomatic relations.

While I am not sure it is the only reason, I do not doubt it is part of the reason.

It is one area where China and the US differ the most. The US feels this undying need to make every country like us. We spent 20 year and a couple trillion dollars trying to make Afghanistan into something it would never be. China comes in after we cut and run and is like "Do whatever you want to your own people, we will help you get all those wonderful natural resources to market"
 

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