What is the goal of capitalism?

[Toddsterpatriot]

By liberating them from Todd. You'll then respond again "by enslaving them" and then I repeat, "By protecting and freeing them from Todd" and then you say "by enslaving them" and then I respond again "by saving them from Todd the capitalist imperialists" . Since you don't have a life, you are willing to continue going back and forth like this forever ad infinitum. I have better things to do with my time and energy.



No "free speech" against the country, hurting the morale of the troops, in a world war that has cost the lives of 30 million Soviets. The country was fighting for its survival so no Todd doesn't have a right to shit on the country when it is fighting for its life. They would send your treacherous, nasty, disingenuous, and ungrateful ass to the gulag, where you belong. And if you're diagnosed with cancer while you're in the gulag, you will be treated for it, at the expense of the Soviet State, as your punk, ingrate buddy was when he was in the gulag.



BRICS is going to establish a separate international financial system, that won't rely on the American-controlled banking cartel or the USD. Boohoo for you.



No that's Todd-bullshit. Cubans are housed, many having houses with yards. I've been to Cuba, and I have family and friends there. You've chosen the wrong country to debate me on. They have food, housing, healthcare, an education, a job, and a rich social and professional life. They have smartphones, internet access, computers. beautiful beaches and great weather..etc. Todd is a decadent, spoiled brat who needs much more than that to feel like he's doing well, but the Cuban people for the most part have more than they did before the revolution. And that's with being under a brutal economic and political embargo by the world's big-bully imperialist hegemon, supported by nasty people like Todd.

They also have self-respect and can be proud that Cuba is a sovereign nation, no longer being raped by the American capitalist ruling class. Cuba is a sovereign nation that belongs to Cubans, not Todds. A nation respected and admired by billions of people around the world, as the underdog and David in the shadow of the American-Goliath. Humanity is going to be victorious in its struggle against Todd's beloved bully empire. BRICS is coming.

By liberating them from Todd.

Todd wasn't enslaving Eastern Europe; the Soviet Union enslaved them.

No "free speech" against the country, hurting the morale of the troops
The troops didn't already know that Stalin was a twat?

BRICS is going to establish a separate international financial system, that won't rely on the American-controlled banking cartel or the USD.
You're going to use a financial system run by those countries? Good luck!

No that's Todd-bullshit. Cubans are housed, many having houses with yards.
Wow! LOL!

They have food, housing, healthcare, an education, a job, and a rich social and professional life.

Their open-air prison sounds very nice.

the Cuban people for the most part have more than they did before the revolution.

Show me. Post the economic numbers before Castro ruined the country and the economic numbers today.

 

[Red Front]

It saved Eastern Europe from the Todds.

By enslaving them.

More Todd fussy logic. The fact it was letters has no bearing on the gravity of the crime,

OMG! Free speech, 8 years in the gulag, because gravity! DURR

Whatever they decide. It's going to be an alternative to the USD-Todd currency.

You don't need a new currency to stop holding US dollars, you can buy rubles now.
What are you waiting for?

The Wiki’s List of countries by largest historical GDP shows the Soviets as still Number Two in 1990 if you use Purchasing Parity.

And where are they if you convert into a real currency?

"During my tenure as Ambassador, we heard frequent reports of alleged food shortages, work stoppages and die like. On occasion, I sensed that various wishful thinkers back home were ready to seize on such reports as evidence that the Soviet system could not long survive in its present form. (N.Y. Times, Jan. 19, 1981.)
How much longer did they last?

Cuba suffered from gross inequality, with most of that wealth concentrated at the top, and the vast majority of Cubans living in abject poverty.
Now the vast majority of Cubans are living in abject poverty while most of the wealth is held by the Party insiders.

"During my tenure as Ambassador, we heard frequent reports of alleged food shortages, work stoppages and die like. On occasion, I sensed that various wishful thinkers back home were ready to seize on such reports as evidence that the Soviet system could not long survive in its present form. (N.Y. Times, Jan. 19, 1981.)

In response to the above, you asked:

How much longer did they last?

That was before Perestroika and Glastnost. The more socialist or communist the Soviets were, the better their economy was. The more they tried to appease Todd, to end the Cold War, the worse their economy became. If the Soviet Union had continued with Stalin's five-year plans, implementing communism, as it was under Stalin, the Soviet Union would now have the largest economy in the world. Soviet citizens would have the highest standard of living in the world. With all of the technology we have today? The Soviets would be the #1 superpower in the world if they had remained strict communists.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

"During my tenure as Ambassador, we heard frequent reports of alleged food shortages, work stoppages and die like. On occasion, I sensed that various wishful thinkers back home were ready to seize on such reports as evidence that the Soviet system could not long survive in its present form. (N.Y. Times, Jan. 19, 1981.)

In response to the above, you asked:



That was before Perestroika and Glastnost. The more socialist or communist the Soviets were, the better their economy did. The more they tried to appease Todd, to end the Cold War, the worse their economy became. If the Soviet Union had continued with Stalin's five-year plans, implementing communism, as it was under Stalin, the Soviet Union would now have the largest economy in the world. Soviet citizens would have the highest standard of living in the world. With all of the technology we have today? The Soviets would be the #1 superpower in the world if they had remained strict communists.

11 years. They lasted 11 more years.

The more socialist or communist the Soviets were, the better their economy did.

They did so great, they ended up on the ash heap of history.

If the Soviet Union had continued with Stalin's five-year plans, implementing communism, as it was under Stalin, the Soviet Union would now have the largest economy in the world.

Sure thing Ivan. DURR

With all of the technology we have today? The Soviets would be the #1 superpower in the world if they had remained strict communists.

Just because weed is legal doesn't mean you should smoke it all at once.

 

[Red Front]

By liberating them from Todd.

Todd wasn't enslaving Eastern Europe; the Soviet Union enslaved them.

No "free speech" against the country, hurting the morale of the troops
The troops didn't already know that Stalin was a twat?

BRICS is going to establish a separate international financial system, that won't rely on the American-controlled banking cartel or the USD.
You're going to use a financial system run by those countries? Good luck!

No that's Todd-bullshit. Cubans are housed, many having houses with yards.
Wow! LOL!

They have food, housing, healthcare, an education, a job, and a rich social and professional life.

Their open-air prison sounds very nice.

the Cuban people for the most part have more than they did before the revolution.

Show me. Post the economic numbers before Castro ruined the country and the economic numbers today.

Todd wasn't enslaving Eastern Europe; the Soviet Union enslaved them.

Todd = the nasty capitalist imperialists, were enslaving them and the Soviets liberated them.

The troops didn't already know that Stalin was a twat?

He wasn't a twat, he was their beloved comrade-leader and the todd-twats didn't like him and were spreading enemy bullshit propaganda to demoralize the troops. Todd-twats are sent to the gulag where they belong. Boohoo.

You're going to use a financial system run by those countries? Good luck!

You're the one in serious need of "good luck" because your bully capitalist empire is going down.

Their open-air prison sounds very nice.

It's better than what they had before the revolution. More, if they're in an open air prison as you assert, it's due to the economic and political embargo imposed by the American Empire, not due to the ineffectiveness of communism. It's due to what amounts to an act of war against Cuba. Cuba is a country that's essentially in a state of war, due to the economic and political terrorism committed against it by Todd's beloved bully empire. All of this is coming to an end soon. The US is being flooded with illegal immigration from capitalist shitholes in Latin America and Todd in Chicago is going to be hating life. America is going down the tubes, becoming a shithole.

Show me. Post the economic numbers before Castro ruined the country and the economic numbers today.

Two Cubas, before the revolution. About a quarter of the country, mostly in Havana, lived well. The rest of the nation, who lived in the countryside and small towns, lived in squalor. That impoverished Cuban population comprised the vast majority of people, hence the Cuban revolution. For example:

"Cuba's capital, Havana, was a glittering and dynamic city. In the early part of the century the country's economy, fueled by the sale of sugar to the United States, had grown dramatically. Cuba ranked fifth in the hemisphere in per capita income, third in life expectancy, second in per capita ownership of automobiles and telephones, first in the number of television sets per inhabitant. The literacy rate, 76%, was the fourth highest in Latin America. Cuba ranked 11th in the world in the number of doctors per capita. Many private clinics and hospitals provided services for the poor. Cuba's income distribution compared favorably with that of other Latin American societies. A thriving middle class held the promise of prosperity and social mobility."

Pre-Castro Cuba | American Experience | PBS

Before the revolution, Cuba was one of the most advanced and successful countries in Latin America.

www.pbs.org

Many private clinics and hospitals, mostly in Havana, provided services for the poor, but not nearly enough.

The other Cuba:

There were, however, profound inequalities in Cuban society -- between city and countryside and between whites and blacks. In the countryside, some Cubans lived in abysmal poverty. Sugar production was seasonal, and the macheteros -- sugarcane cutters who only worked four months out of the year -- were an army of unemployed, perpetually in debt and living on the margins of survival. Many poor peasants were seriously malnourished and hungry. Neither health care nor education reached those rural Cubans at the bottom of society. Illiteracy was widespread, and those lucky enough to attend school seldom made it past the first or second grades. Clusters of graveyards dotted the main highway along the foothills of the Sierra Maestra, marking the spots where people died waiting for transportation to the nearest hospitals and clinics in Santiago de Cuba."

Source:

Pre-Castro Cuba | American Experience | PBS

Before the revolution, Cuba was one of the most advanced and successful countries in Latin America.

www.pbs.org

Look at the demographics of Cuba before the revolution. Most of the country was rural, not urban. In other words, most of Cuba (millions of people) were dirt poor, and about a quarter of the country lived well in Havana. You can't sustain an economy or country when only 25% - 30% of your population has access to services. People literally starved before the revolution.

My maternal grandfather was born in 1913, and there's a picture of him when he was a young man, standing on a dirt road, near his home, barefoot, with dusty pants and button shirt. He looked like one of the street beggars in India, begging people for food. That was life for millions of Cuban peasants before the revolution.

If you don't want to believe me, OK, don't. You have no argument against socialism in Cuba until the American economic and political sanctions are lifted. If America decides not to trade with Cuba, fine, but to isolate Cuba economically and politically from the rest of the world, that's a crime. You'll never have a convincing argument against socialism in Cuba until you lift the embargo. Let socialism fail on its own, let it collapse, and if you can't do that you have no argument against it.

 

[Red Front]

11 years. They lasted 11 more years.

The more socialist or communist the Soviets were, the better their economy did.

They did so great, they ended up on the ash heap of history.

If the Soviet Union had continued with Stalin's five-year plans, implementing communism, as it was under Stalin, the Soviet Union would now have the largest economy in the world.

Sure thing Ivan. DURR

With all of the technology we have today? The Soviets would be the #1 superpower in the world if they had remained strict communists.

Just because weed is legal doesn't mean you should smoke it all at once.

11 more years, until they implemented perestroika and glasnost. That killed the Soviet Union. Your beloved American Empire is also going to end up in the ash heap of history. The difference is that communism is going to win in the end, because advanced automation and artificial intelligence will eventually force Western society by necessity to adopt it. Without wage-labor, there's no capitalism and advanced automation and AI, eliminates wage labor. So both the American Empire and capitalism will join the ash heap of history and communism will replace them. Communists will have the last laugh.

Are you enjoying all of the illegal Latin American immigration in Chicago Todd? They're lovely huh? America has a bright future, durr...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Todd = the nasty capitalist imperialists, were enslaving them and the Soviets liberated them.

Which ones? When?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You have no argument against socialism in Cuba until the American economic and political sanctions are lifted. If America decides not to trade with Cuba, fine, but to isolate Cuba economically and politically from the rest of the world, that's a crime. You'll never have a convincing argument against socialism in Cuba until you lift the embargo.

As soon as the commies give up power and have free and fair elections.
Until then, fuck 'em.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

11 more years, until they implemented perestroika and glasnost. That killed the Soviet Union. Your beloved American Empire is also going to end up in the ash heap of history. The difference is that communism is going to win in the end, because advanced automation and artificial intelligence will eventually force Western society by necessity to adopt it. Without wage-labor, there's no capitalism and advanced automation and AI, eliminates wage labor. So both the American Empire and capitalism will join the ash heap of history and communism will replace them. Communists will have the last laugh.

Are you enjoying all of the illegal Latin American immigration in Chicago Todd? They're lovely huh? America has a bright future, durr...

11 more years, until they implemented perestroika and glasnost. That killed the Soviet Union.

They were circling the drain before then.

Are you enjoying all of the illegal Latin American immigration in Chicago Todd?

Yes, now they're bringing in TB. Biden is doing a great job

 

[Red Front]

11 more years, until they implemented perestroika and glasnost. That killed the Soviet Union.

They were circling the drain before then.

Are you enjoying all of the illegal Latin American immigration in Chicago Todd?

Yes, now they're bringing in TB. Biden is doing a great job

The Soviets were growing economically and stable the more communist they were. Market reforms, to appease the Todds in the US government, to stop the Cold War, did them in. They wanted America to become their buddy, and it didn't end well for them. Communists aren't going to make that mistake again.

It's not just Biden, it's the big-money capitalists who love their cheap labor. They don't allow Latin American countries to develop and hence you get an influx of Latin American peasants in the USA. Both Republicans and Democrats are responsible for this. This isn't going to stop, this is going to continue until the country collapses. The American Empire is toast.

 

[Red Front]

As soon as the commies give up power and have free and fair elections.
Until then, fuck 'em.

They already have free elections, monitored by the UN. The commies continue to win the elections. The Todds don't have the right to demand that Cuba give up its communist economy. That's up to the Cuban people, not Todd.

 

[Red Front]

Which ones? When?

All of the capitalist-imperialist Todds, the feudal lords (Todd the Kulak). Bye-bye Todd, see yah, wouldn't want to be yah..Bye....

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

They already have free elections, monitored by the UN. The commies continue to win the elections. The Todds don't have the right to demand that Cuba give up its communist economy. That's up to the Cuban people, not Todd.

Enjoy your sanctions.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

All of the capitalist-imperialist Todds, the feudal lords (Todd the Kulak). Bye-bye Todd, see yah, wouldn't want to be yah..Bye....

So long, silly person!

 

[Red Front]

So long, silly person!

Bye Todd, go back to your collapsing empire.

 

[Red Front]

Enjoy your sanctions.

What sanctions? You're in Mexico now. Hahaha! More tacos in Chicago.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Bye Todd, go back to your collapsing empire.

Shucks, your empire collapsed over 30 years ago.
Commies, first at everything.

 

[Red Front]

Shucks, your empire collapsed over 30 years ago.
Commies, first at everything.

We get the last laugh Hahaha! 21 century automation and AI = Communism. No Wage Labor = No More Capitalism = Communism. Hehehe you collapse and communists get the last laugh when the world is forced by necessity to become commieeee! Bye-bye, Todd, I'm sorry that you can't get any more paying customers because you automated capitalism to oblivion. Thanks, Todd, we communists will take it from here.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

We get the last laugh Hahaha! 21 century automation and AI = Communism. No Wage Labor = No More Capitalism = Communism. Hehehe you collapse and communists get the last laugh when the world is forced by necessity to become commieeee! Bye-bye, Todd, I'm sorry that you can't get any more paying customers because you automated capitalism to oblivion. Thanks, Todd, we communists will take it from here.

Hold your breath, the robot pizza makers will usher in communism faster.

 

[Red Front]

Hold your breath, the robot pizza makers will usher in communism faster.

I know because advanced automation and AI are just being used for pizza. Todd fuzzy logic.

 

[Dirk the Daring]

In a market, capitalist-run economy, of course. I never argued against capitalists making a profit, what I do say is that full-time workers need to be paid a living wage, and their rights must be respected.

Instead of 'being paid a living wage,' what would you say to the premise that everyone's costs were cut in half, over night. Groceries, rent, entertainment, etc, all cut in half. Would the amount of the 'wage' still be an issue in that scenario?