Zone1 What Is Christian Nationalism?

[presonorek]

The image of you reading a David Barton book made me laugh.

You must not know very much about my upbringing. I'm culturally a Christian through and through. You seem to think I can't possibly be a Christian because I refuse to believe lies and fairy tales. Just because I have a brain doesn't mean I don't recognize and appreciate the influence Christianity has had on the world. I just don't believe in talking snakes, talking donkeys, resurrections, people living in whales, invisible talking magic guys, and stuff like that. Basically all the stuff that even a six year old kid knows sounds unrealistic but pretends to believe it out of fear of offending an invisible magic man. I'm the same as David Barton. He doesn't believe that dumb crap either.

I'm glad you got a good chuckle though. I'm glad you enjoy the caricature of me that you created for yourself.

 

[presonorek]

I believe that Satan, a human archetype, is very real.




I suppose if one believes in God, one believes in the Devil too....


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What was William Shakespeare referencing when he said that? That is a picture of the United States House of Representatives. It doesn't make sense for William Shakespeare to be referencing the United States House of Representatives because of reasons.

 

[ding]

You must not know very much about my upbringing. I'm culturally a Christian through and through. You seem to think I can't possibly be a Christian because I refuse to believe lies and fairy tales. Just because I have a brain doesn't mean I don't recognize and appreciate the influence Christianity has had on the world. I just don't believe in talking snakes, talking donkeys, resurrections, people living in whales, invisible talking magic guys, and stuff like that. Basically all the stuff that even a six year old kid knows sounds unrealistic but pretends to believe it out of fear of offending an invisible magic man. I'm the same as David Barton. He doesn't believe that dumb crap either.

I'm glad you got a good chuckle though. I'm glad you enjoy the caricature of me that you created for yourself.

Doesn't change anything. I still think it's funny you would read David Barton.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Doesn't change anything. I still think it's funny you would read David Barton.

In one instance on Saturday after meeting with the Hungarian Poten Puppet Victor Urbun , Trump appears to say, "I know Poten. I know him very well. There was no way he was going in to Ukraine."

But Tromp didn’t say elect me because I will make Poten pack up his army and leave Ukraine and bring the bastard to The Hague for trial for crimes against humanity.

 

[Flash]

I am a Nationalist and a Christian.

I do not connect the two.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

I am a Nationalist and a Christian.

I do not connect the two.

are you white?

Do you want state government to force full term gestation on all women having an unwanted pregnancy.

do you want to define America as a Christian nation

do you think a fertilized egg is a person with the same right to life as a person who is born.

do you repeat the myth that America was founded as a Christian Nation

do you want the government to promote a specific cultural template as the official culture of the country.

do you want an amendment to the Constitution to recognize America’s Christian heritage,

do you want to reinstitute prayer in public schools.

do you want to enshrine a Christian nationalist interpretation of American history in school curricula,

do you believe that as Saint ding does that America has a special relationship with God or has been “chosen” by him to carry out a special mission on earth.

do you want belittle immigration restrictions specifically to prevent a change to American religious and ethnic demographics or a change to American culture.

do you want to empower the government to take stronger action to circumscribe immoral behavior.

do you want the United States government must defend and enshrine its predominant “Anglo-Protestant” culture to ensure the survival of American democracy.

do you have an attitude that Christians are entitled to primacy of place in the public square because they are heirs of the true or essential heritage of American culture,

do you believe Christians have a presumptive right to define the meaning of the American experiment because they see themselves as America’s architects, first citizens, and guardians.

 

[Flash]

are you white?

Do you want state government to force full term gestation on all women having an unwanted pregnancy.

do you want to define America as a Christian nation

do you think a fertilized egg is a person with the same right to life as a person who is born.

do you repeat the myth that America was founded as a Christian Nation

do you want the government to promote a specific cultural template as the official culture of the country.

do you want an amendment to the Constitution to recognize America’s Christian heritage,

do you want to reinstitute prayer in public schools.

do you want to enshrine a Christian nationalist interpretation of American history in school curricula,

do you believe that as Saint ding does that America has a special relationship with God or has been “chosen” by him to carry out a special mission on earth.

do you want belittle immigration restrictions specifically to prevent a change to American religious and ethnic demographics or a change to American culture.

do you want to empower the government to take stronger action to circumscribe immoral behavior.

do you want the United States government must defend and enshrine its predominant “Anglo-Protestant” culture to ensure the survival of American democracy.

do you have an attitude that Christians are entitled to primacy of place in the public square because they are heirs of the true or essential heritage of American culture,

do you believe Christians have a presumptive right to define the meaning of the American experiment because they see themselves as America’s architects, first citizens, and guardians.

You Jerkoff.



I am not going to address every one of your stupid unintelligent ramblings but to put it concisely.

1. I believe in freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. It is in the Constitution, go look it up.

2. It is despicable that children are murdered as a method of birth control.

3. The US is not a sovereign country when we allow millions of Illegals to flood into the country and be put on welfare just so the despicable Democrat Party can increase it voter base.

 

[Seymour Flops]

What is Christian nationalism?

Christian nationalism is the belief that the American nation is defined by Christianity, and that the government should take active steps to keep it that way. Popularly, Christian nationalists assert that America is and must remain a “Christian nation”—not merely as an observation about American history, but as a prescriptive program for what America must continue to be in the future. Scholars like Samuel Huntington have made a similar argument: that America is defined by its “Anglo-Protestant” past and that we will lose our identity and our freedom if we do not preserve our cultural inheritance.

Christian nationalists do not reject the First Amendment and do not advocate for theocracy, but they do believe that Christianity should enjoy a privileged position in the public square. The term “Christian nationalism,” is relatively new, and its advocates generally do not use it of themselves, but it accurately describes American nationalists who believe American identity is inextricable from Christianity.

What is the problem with nationalism?

Humanity is not easily divisible into mutually distinct cultural units. Cultures overlap and their borders are fuzzy. Since cultural units are fuzzy, they make a poor fit as the foundation for political order. Cultural identities are fluid and hard to draw boundaries around, but political boundaries are hard and semipermanent. Attempting to found political legitimacy on cultural likeness means political order will constantly be in danger of being felt as illegitimate by some group or other. Cultural pluralism is essentially inevitable in every nation.

Is that really a problem, or just an abstract worry?

It is a serious problem. When nationalists go about constructing their nation, they have to define who is, and who is not, part of the nation. But there are always dissidents and minorities who do not or cannot conform to the nationalists’ preferred cultural template. In the absence of moral authority, nationalists can only establish themselves by force. Scholars are almost unanimous that nationalist governments tend to become authoritarian and oppressive in practice. For example, in past generations, to the extent that the United States had a quasi-established official religion of Protestantism, it did not respect true religious freedom. Worse, the United States and many individual states used Christianity as a prop to support slavery and segregation.

What do Christian nationalists want that is different from normal Christian engagement in politics?

Christian nationalists want to define America as a Christian nation and they want the government to promote a specific cultural template as the official culture of the country. Some have advocated for an amendment to the Constitution to recognize America’s Christian heritage, others to reinstitute prayer in public schools. Some work to enshrine a Christian nationalist interpretation of American history in school curricula, including that America has a special relationship with God or has been “chosen” by him to carry out a special mission on earth. Others advocate for immigration restrictions specifically to prevent a change to American religious and ethnic demographics or a change to American culture. Some want to empower the government to take stronger action to circumscribe immoral behavior.

Some—again, like the scholar Samuel Huntington—have argued that the United States government must defend and enshrine its predominant “Anglo-Protestant” culture to ensure the survival of American democracy. And sometimes Christian nationalism is most evident not in its political agenda, but in the sort of attitude with which it is held: an unstated presumption that Christians are entitled to primacy of place in the public square because they are heirs of the true or essential heritage of American culture, that Christians have a presumptive right to define the meaning of the American experiment because they see themselves as America’s architects, first citizens, and guardians.

How is this dangerous for America?

Christian nationalism tends to treat other Americans as second-class citizens. If it were fully implemented, it would not respect the full religious liberty of all Americans. Empowering the state through “morals legislation” to regulate conduct always carries the risk of overreaching, setting a bad precedent, and creating governing powers that could be used later be used against Christians. Additionally, Christian nationalism is an ideology held overwhelmingly by white Americans, and it thus tends to exacerbate racial and ethnic cleavages. In recent years, the movement has grown increasingly characterized by fear and by a belief that Christians are victims of persecution. Some are beginning to argue that American Christians need to prepare to fight, physically, to preserve America’s identity, an argument that played into the January 6 riot.

How is Christian nationalism dangerous to the church?

Christian nationalism takes the name of Christ for a worldly political agenda, proclaiming that its program is the political program for every true believer. That is wrong in principle, no matter what the agenda is, because only the church is authorized to proclaim the name of Jesus and carry his standard into the world. It is even worse with a political movement that champions some causes that are unjust, which is the case with Christian nationalism and its attendant illiberalism. In that case, Christian nationalism is calling evil good and good evil; it is taking the name of Christ as a fig leaf to cover its political program, treating the message of Jesus as a tool of political propaganda and the church as the handmaiden and cheerleader of the state.

More at the link below...

What Is Christian Nationalism?​

"Christian Nationalism" is just the new "Religious Right," that Democrats used to condemn reflexively without ever explaining why it was bad for people to vote their conscience.

Sounds scary to me! What do you think?

I think that it is a phrase intended to scare low-information voters, so I think that it is working like a charm.

 

[Seymour Flops]

are you white?

Do you want state government to force full term gestation on all women having an unwanted pregnancy.

do you want to define America as a Christian nation

do you think a fertilized egg is a person with the same right to life as a person who is born.

do you repeat the myth that America was founded as a Christian Nation

do you want the government to promote a specific cultural template as the official culture of the country.

do you want an amendment to the Constitution to recognize America’s Christian heritage,

do you want to reinstitute prayer in public schools.

do you want to enshrine a Christian nationalist interpretation of American history in school curricula,

do you believe that as Saint ding does that America has a special relationship with God or has been “chosen” by him to carry out a special mission on earth.

do you want belittle immigration restrictions specifically to prevent a change to American religious and ethnic demographics or a change to American culture.

do you want to empower the government to take stronger action to circumscribe immoral behavior.

do you want the United States government must defend and enshrine its predominant “Anglo-Protestant” culture to ensure the survival of American democracy.

do you have an attitude that Christians are entitled to primacy of place in the public square because they are heirs of the true or essential heritage of American culture,

do you believe Christians have a presumptive right to define the meaning of the American experiment because they see themselves as America’s architects, first citizens, and guardians.

Did you go to a public school that was too busy teaching gender awareness to teach you how to use question marks?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

I believe in freedom of religion,

you have had your freedom to experience your white Christian religion intact as it has been for 230 years if you live in America

not freedom from religion.

What in Nature’s God unholy Name does that mean to a white Christian American who chooses freely to believe that Jesus Christ is his lord and savior and live according


Do I have to kiss your ‘saved’ ass or something and get permission to believe something else.


I’ve never heard a Black Churched Christian or liberal Christian complain about something as obtuse as freedom “From” religion . The normal refrain I’d freedom of conscience to reject religion and not have the government shive your religion in my face or true religious liberty

Hi, I am a rational theist who shares that human spirit with our first four President’s who all rebelled against the white Christian Order of their day.

I’m still rebelling in honor of what they did for me and you.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Did you go to a public school that was too busy teaching gender awareness to teach you how to use question marks?

LOL you knew they were questions without them.

Regardless of how well educated you are, I find it to be informative that you are focused on format and afraid of substance. So what are you doing here with that fine education that liberal American Jefferson democracy gave to you

Does Victor Orbon inspire you Ssint Seymourflops??????????????????

Might as well address some Substance while here:

Seymour Flops in #1 22.12. 29 wrote: {{ Thread titled “For Christians who believe in Darwinian evolution, question…. ”}} “Does that mean that you believe that God had absolutely no hand in the propagation of millions of species of plant, fungus, and animal life on Earth? •¥• “Did God just watch it all unfold for billions of years, and then when humans evolved, decide that they are so sinful that he must take human form to suffer and die for those sins?” •¥¥• symrflps.22.12.29 #1

ding in #189 23.01.02 wrote: “I believe God put himself on trial because he's got a wicked sense of humor as we blame God daily for shit. So he just did what we were going to do anyway. God suffering death was God showing us how to make sacrifices. He never said a word. He just took it. We bitch about every little thing.” •¥• dvng.23.01.02 #189 to symrflps.22.12.29 #1


Or not???????

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Why the freak out Saint L.Graham now that you are a full-fledged white Christian nationalist, serving the saving baby fetus cult in the church of Mar-a-Lago?


Just own Viktor Orban, and be done with it

 

[ding]

Thank God for America's Christian heritage.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Thank God for America's Christian heritage.

The “persons” of centuries 15 16 17 18 & 19th who lived on three continents apart from Europe Saint Ding shouldn’t have been as gleefully as thankful as you Saint Ding.

I’m more thankful that your imperial god and his chosen people and armies and navies and SETTLERS were stopped by rational theism in a Declaration of Independence and that entire generation of rebels who fought against HIM.

If you were a moral person with some ability to think freely outside dogma, you’d talk to your personal God about it why he did that to the natives and then met reason defeat him.

 

[ding]

America's Christian heritage is like hot coals on the heads of militant atheists.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

America's Christian heritage is like hot coals on the heads of militant atheists.

When you cannot defend your absence of reason, and you’re willful submission to a unreasonable God, you blame the atheists.

I’m not an atheist. Well, there’s nothing wrong with him. I am a rational theorist like Washington’s Adams, Jefferson, and Madison and many others were.

 

[ding]

It drives them insane to know they live in a country with a Christian heritage.

 

[ding]

Why would they deny America's Christian heritage? Karl Marx answered that question when he said, "a people without a heritage are easily persuaded."

It's so true too.

 

[Bezukhov]

What is Christian nationalism?

Christian nationalism is the belief that the American nation is defined by Christianity, and that the government should take active steps to keep it that way. Popularly, Christian nationalists assert that America is and must remain a “Christian nation”—not merely as an observation about American history, but as a prescriptive program for what America must continue to be in the future. Scholars like Samuel Huntington have made a similar argument: that America is defined by its “Anglo-Protestant” past and that we will lose our identity and our freedom if we do not preserve our cultural inheritance.

Christian nationalists do not reject the First Amendment and do not advocate for theocracy, but they do believe that Christianity should enjoy a privileged position in the public square. The term “Christian nationalism,” is relatively new, and its advocates generally do not use it of themselves, but it accurately describes American nationalists who believe American identity is inextricable from Christianity.

What is the problem with nationalism?

Humanity is not easily divisible into mutually distinct cultural units. Cultures overlap and their borders are fuzzy. Since cultural units are fuzzy, they make a poor fit as the foundation for political order. Cultural identities are fluid and hard to draw boundaries around, but political boundaries are hard and semipermanent. Attempting to found political legitimacy on cultural likeness means political order will constantly be in danger of being felt as illegitimate by some group or other. Cultural pluralism is essentially inevitable in every nation.

Is that really a problem, or just an abstract worry?

It is a serious problem. When nationalists go about constructing their nation, they have to define who is, and who is not, part of the nation. But there are always dissidents and minorities who do not or cannot conform to the nationalists’ preferred cultural template. In the absence of moral authority, nationalists can only establish themselves by force. Scholars are almost unanimous that nationalist governments tend to become authoritarian and oppressive in practice. For example, in past generations, to the extent that the United States had a quasi-established official religion of Protestantism, it did not respect true religious freedom. Worse, the United States and many individual states used Christianity as a prop to support slavery and segregation.

What do Christian nationalists want that is different from normal Christian engagement in politics?

Christian nationalists want to define America as a Christian nation and they want the government to promote a specific cultural template as the official culture of the country. Some have advocated for an amendment to the Constitution to recognize America’s Christian heritage, others to reinstitute prayer in public schools. Some work to enshrine a Christian nationalist interpretation of American history in school curricula, including that America has a special relationship with God or has been “chosen” by him to carry out a special mission on earth. Others advocate for immigration restrictions specifically to prevent a change to American religious and ethnic demographics or a change to American culture. Some want to empower the government to take stronger action to circumscribe immoral behavior.

Some—again, like the scholar Samuel Huntington—have argued that the United States government must defend and enshrine its predominant “Anglo-Protestant” culture to ensure the survival of American democracy. And sometimes Christian nationalism is most evident not in its political agenda, but in the sort of attitude with which it is held: an unstated presumption that Christians are entitled to primacy of place in the public square because they are heirs of the true or essential heritage of American culture, that Christians have a presumptive right to define the meaning of the American experiment because they see themselves as America’s architects, first citizens, and guardians.

How is this dangerous for America?

Christian nationalism tends to treat other Americans as second-class citizens. If it were fully implemented, it would not respect the full religious liberty of all Americans. Empowering the state through “morals legislation” to regulate conduct always carries the risk of overreaching, setting a bad precedent, and creating governing powers that could be used later be used against Christians. Additionally, Christian nationalism is an ideology held overwhelmingly by white Americans, and it thus tends to exacerbate racial and ethnic cleavages. In recent years, the movement has grown increasingly characterized by fear and by a belief that Christians are victims of persecution. Some are beginning to argue that American Christians need to prepare to fight, physically, to preserve America’s identity, an argument that played into the January 6 riot.

How is Christian nationalism dangerous to the church?

Christian nationalism takes the name of Christ for a worldly political agenda, proclaiming that its program is the political program for every true believer. That is wrong in principle, no matter what the agenda is, because only the church is authorized to proclaim the name of Jesus and carry his standard into the world. It is even worse with a political movement that champions some causes that are unjust, which is the case with Christian nationalism and its attendant illiberalism. In that case, Christian nationalism is calling evil good and good evil; it is taking the name of Christ as a fig leaf to cover its political program, treating the message of Jesus as a tool of political propaganda and the church as the handmaiden and cheerleader of the state.

More at the link below...

What Is Christian Nationalism?​

Sounds scary to me! What do you think?

Now I thought that "Christian Nationalism" meant that Jesus' Kingdom will be established on earth as soon as every elected office in America is held by Bible Thumping Reopublicans

 

[K9Buck]

What Is Christian Nationalism?​

I know it's antithetical to everything I know about America/USA

America's two-dozen Christian Nationalists are clearly the greatest threat to the standard of living of poor and middle-class Americans, unlike the ultra-rich Washington Elites that have spent the past 50+ years robbing the living shit out of us. Leftist morons like the OP suck Biden's schlong 24/7/365 while he and his elite, Washington friends pocket BILLIONS of OUR dollars. But yea, let's focus on that relative handful of evil people that believe that Americans should live according to the teachings of Jesus.

 

[K9Buck]

The irony here is that the centralized abuse of power is in no way tilting toward Christian anything. In fact, it is just the opposite.

Our leaders have gay orgies in Senate chambers as they proudly film it and they have removed God from the public square in every capacity imaginable.

The true threat is what is in power now, which are Leftists at war with other religions that challenge their Leftist religion. That is why Biden has taken the FBI to go after the Catholic church, because the Catholic church still opposes things like abortion. Speaking of which, over 60 million unborn babies have lost their lives, not as many as Mao or Stalin murdered, but damned close to it. Biden continues to claim that Christian nationalism is the boogie man hiding under your bed, despite virtually no American deaths or murders that have arisen from it. Meanwhile, about 200 people die a day from drug overdoses as drug cartels continue to murder American citizens with drugs pouring across the border. But the drug cartels don't threaten the Leftist religion of Joe Biden in any way, so as a result, he does not see them as the enemy, even though they are clearly the enemy of the American people. You might even say Biden is helping the drug cartels foster a genocide of the American people as they keep the borders open and refuse to use drones to go after these drug cartels. Biden has no problem using the drones to go after people all over the world after killing around 22,000 of them including one American citizen abroad without a trial, but yet won't use them to go after drug cartels. Funny that.

But we have more examples of the genocide to come from the religion of Leftism.

Today you have farmers all over the world being told they can grow food because they use fertilizer to do it, which is carbon producing. So, even though the UN says about a billion people will die of starvation next year, they are also being told by the UN and governments all around in the world that their farmers can't grow food.

How many millions or billions will this kill?

We will probably never know.

But again, this is the power of unfettered power in the hands of sinful man.

The OP is a Satanic, TRASH, human being.