What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[kaz]

Here's some more:

Russia
China
Cuba post 1960
North Korea
Eastern Europe 1945-1980

Seeing a pattern here, Speed Racer?

That some of those countries tried Communism? Um yeah, what's your point, buddy?

It's WHY they thought Communism might be a good idea... because capitalism was a shit sandwich for them.

You asked for countries with extreme wealth classes and everyone else is in poverty and cut that from the quote, dipshit. That is the goal you're fighting for. You're OK with it happening now. Your Gods like Hillary and Obama become massively wealthy and you don't even care when they take bribes, steal and give nothing to charity. That while the rest of us end up in endlessly slow economic and wage growth.

You're fighting FOR a system of a massive wealth class and the rest of us in poverty. You're just not very smart, you buy the Marxist rhetoric their populations fell for absolutely

 

[kaz]

I don't think our problem is not having enough workers, I believe our problem is our safety nets discourage people from working. The solution isn't bringing in more foreigners, the solution is reducing our welfare benefits so that people have to work to make a living. Only those who cannot work should be getting benefits.

Uh, guy, most of the people in the "Safety Net" are retired people, disabled people and children...

There are very few able bodied people collecting welfare benefits.

That's just a lie. You're drowning in fake news and Marxist propaganda

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I don't think our problem is not having enough workers, I believe our problem is our safety nets discourage people from working. The solution isn't bringing in more foreigners, the solution is reducing our welfare benefits so that people have to work to make a living. Only those who cannot work should be getting benefits.

Uh, guy, most of the people in the "Safety Net" are retired people, disabled people and children...

There are very few able bodied people collecting welfare benefits.

I guess you’re correct Joe, I’m the only one that ever sees them.

Several years ago I was with a trainee and we were in a lower income neighborhood. We passed by a dozen guys who were standing around a fire out of a 55 galling drum; dancing, one was singing, the others were drinking “something” out of paper bags.

The other guy asked WTF were they doing? I told him they were having a discussion about their job interviews.

Want to see healthy young people on welfare? Come here and I’ll show you thousands of them. But you have to leave your mothers basement and step out into the real world for a change.





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[danielpalos]

We should be generating one thousand dollars per foreign national.

Tourism is the first, second, or third largest employer in twenty-nine States.

"Tourism" ? I would hardly refer to 30 million invaders/occupiers/pillagers, as "tourists."

lol. Only lousy Capitalists lose money on public policies.

 

[danielpalos]

The market friendly, Entry into the Union visa fee should include, all immunizations.

 

[Votto]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

What human cost is acceptable to allow continued illegal immigration?

How many crying families who have loved ones murdered by illegals does it take?

How many drug overdoses does it take from foreign drug smugglers?

How many crimes in general does it take?

How many billions of tax dollar funds does it take, etc.?

 

[protectionist]

I'm not sure why you keep pulling up that picture from the 1930's of coal miners.

but let's look at it..

Firefighter- Civil Servants, belong to a union, have really good benefits and get lifetime pensions when they retire at an early age. (You don't see a lot of 60 year old firefighters.)

Coal Miners- Well, not a lot of them left, because Coal is dead technology. And the work is mostly automated now, not guys in a mine with a pick ax. Of course, they belong to a union and get really good benefits, the few that are left.

Soldiers- Well, they get pretty good pay, they get lifetime benefits for being a Veteran, they get educational benefits, housing benefits, health care benefits...

Now, here's the thing, none of those guys are going to go off and take jobs cleaning toilets or picking lettuce or doing any of the drudge work undocumented immigrants do... that's the point. I guess we COULD raise those pay rates to what a firefighter gets.

NO, Mr Change the Subject. The SUBJECT was the difficulty of doing the job. That is irregardless of unions, benefits, etc.

You said the same stupid things to me 2 months ago, and I refuted your BS about coal mining. Oh didn't get the message ? Then I'll have to give it to you again, all over again >>

Americans are doing much worse, much tougher jobs than the aliens, and doing it every day, NOW, in 2018.

I once was one of them. A combat Construction Specialist in the Army Corps of Engineers. I wonder if these fruit pickers could last one hour on an M4T6 bridge (all constructed BY HAND) like they do in the Corp.
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As for coal, it remains an important factor in the 25 states in which it is mined. According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), in 2015 Wyoming, West Virginia, Kentucky, Illinois, and Pennsylvania produced about 639 millions of short tons (MST) representing 71% of total U.S. coal production in the United States.

Coal may be in decline but 50,000 AMERICANS (not illegal aliens) still work as coal miners, and however they mine coal, is beside my point. It is still tough, dirty, and extremely DANGEROUS. Mine disasters have still occurred in recent years in the US,[57]

Examples include the Sago Mine disaster of 2006, and the 2007 mine accident in Utah's Crandall Canyon Mine, where nine miners were killed and six entombed.[58] In the decade 2005-2014, US coal mining fatalities averaged 28 per year.[59] The most fatalities during the 2005-2014 decade were 48 in 2010, the year of the Upper Big Branch Mine disaster in West Virginia, which killed 29 miners.[60]

Which states produce the most coal? - FAQ - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

Coal mining in the United States - Wikipedia
PS - if you want to go around making quantity statements then >>

The pictures of coal miners can be 1930 or 2018. The job is just as tough now as then. Just as dirty and just as dangerous, As for drudge work, how stupid can you be ? The reason I showed coal miners, firefighters and the troops in Afghanistan is because the their jobs are 100 times harder, dirtier, and more dangerous than any picking lettuce.

It is the illegal aliens who won't do the tough and dangerous work of the coal miners, the firefighters and the US troops, which jobs are being done by Americans. In comparison to those Americans' jobs, picking fruit and lettuce is like watching a movie and eating popcorn.

 

[protectionist]

Actually, they are pretty dumb... but most of them are just smart enough to see Trump is a crazy person and he needs keepers.

What they see is the economy booming, and another 4 Years of a Trump presidency. Maybe YOU are the "dumb" one.

 

[protectionist]

Uh, guy, most of the people in the "Safety Net" are retired people, disabled people and children...

There are very few able bodied people collecting welfare benefits.

Upon what do you base that statement ?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Uh, guy, most of the people in the "Safety Net" are retired people, disabled people and children...

There are very few able bodied people collecting welfare benefits.

Upon what do you base that statement ?

Not that I'm siding with Joe, but I think he's pretty close. But then the question is why are these children so poor? Who had children they couldn't afford in the first place?

Why do adults who had their entire lives to prepare for retirement now find themselves on some sort of social program(s) after they retired? Who's fault is that?????

Why do we keep allowing more immigrants in when over half of the ones that are here go on social programs? Even the illegal ones get on our social programs for their kids.

 

[Votto]

Actually, they are pretty dumb... but most of them are just smart enough to see Trump is a crazy person and he needs keepers.

What they see is the economy booming, and another 4 Years of a Trump presidency. Maybe YOU are the "dumb" one.

You have it all wrong. Trump is just enjoying the great Obama generated after 8 years in office, then when the next Dim gets in there they are going to have to somehow cope with the failing economy that Trump caused.

Then with the next Republican President, wash, rinse, repeat.

 

[danielpalos]

A positive multiplier not a negative multiplier, only lousy Capitalists, do that!

 

[JoeB131]

You asked for countries with extreme wealth classes and everyone else is in poverty and cut that from the quote, dipshit. That is the goal you're fighting for. You're OK with it happening now.

No, what I'm pointing out to you is that when most people don't benefit from a system, they are okay with burning it down, which is what happened in all those countries I listed. Whether or not the people who took over later were worse (almost all of them were, BTW) was not relevant to the point you missed.

40% of the country has less than 1% of the wealth. 1% of the population has 43% of the wealth... That's a recipe for disaster.

Your Gods like Hillary and Obama become massively wealthy and you don't even care when they take bribes, steal and give nothing to charity. That while the rest of us end up in endlessly slow economic and wage growth.

Actually, not the least bit relevant to the argument I was making. And you guys have been trying to prove Hillary took Bribes for 30 years. How is that going? I mean she must be a fucking criminal mastermind if she's been doing it for 30 years and has never been caught with millions spent investigating her.

You're fighting FOR a system of a massive wealth class and the rest of us in poverty. You're just not very smart, you buy the Marxist rhetoric their populations fell for absolutely

I think you are a bit deluded here... I don't advocate Marxism.

What I'd like to see. What America had in the 1950's and 1960's. The rich paid confiscatory taxes, working people belonged to unions. The wealth was fairly distributed. It worked really well until Republicans fucked it up, like they always do.

 

[JoeB131]

What they see is the economy booming, and another 4 Years of a Trump presidency. Maybe YOU are the "dumb" one

Anyone who sees that is deluded. Talk to any economist, they'll tell you the warning lights for the next recession are already there.

NO, Mr Change the Subject. The SUBJECT was the difficulty of doing the job. That is irregardless of unions, benefits, etc.

No, it's not. It's the benefits of the job.

Picking lettuce and cleaning toilers are not glamorous jobs. Nobody says as a five year old, "I want to pick lettuce when I grow up." Kids want to be firemen and soldiers when they grow up. And some of them do, but they make darned sure they are well compensated for it.

We need illegals because NOBODY ELSE WANTS THOSE JOBS. Not even the dumbest piece of white trash in the trailer park. Those jobs are beneath them.

Heck, I don't see white kids in fast food places these days.

 

[JoeB131]

Not that I'm siding with Joe, but I think he's pretty close. But then the question is why are these children so poor? Who had children they couldn't afford in the first place?

Why do adults who had their entire lives to prepare for retirement now find themselves on some sort of social program(s) after they retired? Who's fault is that?????

The One Percent for not taking care of people, and screwing them at every opportunity.

How many people on the cusp of retirement lost everything when the One Percenters crashed the market in 2008?

Why do we keep allowing more immigrants in when over half of the ones that are here go on social programs? Even the illegal ones get on our social programs for their kids.

Actually, most undocumented adults don't get on programs... they can't.

But never mind.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The One Percent for not taking care of people, and screwing them at every opportunity.

How many people on the cusp of retirement lost everything when the One Percenters crashed the market in 2008?

The one percent? I thought it was Bush's fault according to you.

Or maybe the reason is they weren't responsible enough to prepare for the future.

Actually, most undocumented adults don't get on programs... they can't.

But never mind.

Still working on those comprehension problems I see.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Actually, not the least bit relevant to the argument I was making. And you guys have been trying to prove Hillary took Bribes for 30 years. How is that going? I mean she must be a fucking criminal mastermind if she's been doing it for 30 years and has never been caught with millions spent investigating her.

Professional criminals are pretty good at that. That's why money was exchanged for "speaking fees' instead of passed from one another in a dark alley. Or do you really believe that anybody would pay Hil-Liar or Billy boy a half million dollars for a 30 minute speech?

I think you are a bit deluded here... I don't advocate Marxism.

What I'd like to see. What America had in the 1950's and 1960's. The rich paid confiscatory taxes, working people belonged to unions. The wealth was fairly distributed. It worked really well until Republicans fucked it up, like they always do.

No, the Republicans had nothing to do with it. Companies moved out of the country to get away from government and unions. Consumers refused to purchase their over priced products any longer. In other words, the people said enough is enough.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Actually, they are pretty dumb... but most of them are just smart enough to see Trump is a crazy person and he needs keepers.

What they see is the economy booming, and another 4 Years of a Trump presidency. Maybe YOU are the "dumb" one.

You have it all wrong. Trump is just enjoying the great Obama generated after 8 years in office, then when the next Dim gets in there they are going to have to somehow cope with the failing economy that Trump caused.

Then with the next Republican President, wash, rinse, repeat.

Democrat rule 127: When bad things happen under a Republican President, blame the President because he is in charge. When bad things happen under a Democrat President, blame the last Republican President because he's not in charge.

 

[danielpalos]

One thousand per illegal is what we should be generating simply Because, only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy.

 

[JoeB131]

The one percent? I thought it was Bush's fault according to you.

Or maybe the reason is they weren't responsible enough to prepare for the future.

Quite the contrary... they did everything they were supposed to do... and got screwed anyway.

as I said, in 2008 I looked at my busted 401K and my underwater mortgage, and watched the Government bail out the One percenters..

Funny how that works.

But make sure you keep hating the darkies, stupid. that's what they want you to do.