What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[Ray From Cleveland]

Hey, want to really stick up for people? Have every place unionized and have a mandetory living wage. Then there won't be an incentive to hire undocumented labor.

There won't be any incentive for a business to remain in the country either. Don't you remember what happened last time unions and overbearing government challenged industry?

 

[JoeB131]

There won't be any incentive for a business to remain in the country either. Don't you remember what happened last time unions and overbearing government challenged industry?

Yes, I do.

I remember that well. We had a middle class, guys like my dad could work a union job and have a middle class lifestyle in a nice neighborhood. That's what I remember.

That's what I remember.

 

[protectionist]

remittances aren't lost income with our third largest trading partner. they have Home Depot in Mexico now; we should insist, they buy, American ladders.

Of course they're lost income. They are money lost from our economy. The are sales lost to US businesses, who, if Americans were in the jobs aliens are in, the Americans would spend that same $138 Billion in US stores (aka the economy), instead of it going out of the US, and being spent in foreign countries' stores.

US businesses being deprive of $138 Billion/year is sales.

 

[protectionist]

According to you we have an (unknown) number of people speaking Spanish (presumed to be illegal) bragging about illegal voting after they have been drinking. So this is how conservatives collect data to formulate policy.

YES, absolutely yes. LOL It cerainly is one of the ways, and having lot more credibility than some goofy liberal "study" based on liberal skewed "information". How interesting to see information-deprived, programmed liberals react when they suddenly discover what they've been programmed to, isn't how great after all.

Talking to people, seeing, listening, experiencing, living life, all across the country, by millions of people - but you in your liberal programming would cast that aside, in deference to a goofball "study", done by some liberal think tank, university or media outlet, totally biased skewed and a joke. If I had a $10 bill for ever study that has come up as less than credible, I could buy a house with that money.

Wanna hear about one of those ? The Stephens-Davidowitz racism study that the New York Times touted so highly, an how it was refuted to be the joke that it was ?

The trouble with collecting data is there's too may faulty ways of collecting it, that too many people shortsidedly miss. Like all those who still think there are 11 million illegal aliens in America, when actually there are about 3 times that many.

 

[danielpalos]

remittances aren't lost income with our third largest trading partner. they have Home Depot in Mexico now; we should insist, they buy, American ladders.

Of course they're lost income. They are money lost from our economy. The are sales lost to US businesses, who, if Americans were in the jobs aliens are in, the Americans would spend that same $138 Billion in US stores (aka the economy), instead of it going out of the US, and being spent in foreign countries' stores.

US businesses being deprive of $138 Billion/year is sales.

nobody takes the right wing seriously about economics; they have their right wing religious dogma.

 

[protectionist]

Oh, dummy, you see, the thing is, they'll just find more ways to get in. and then Trump will get voted out and we'll tear down the walls and have real immigration reform. Too sad for you bigots.

I'm all for dumping on the dumb white trash that keep voting Republican and wonder why they still live in trailer parks.

Hey, want to really stick up for people? Have every place unionized and have a mandetory living wage. Then there won't be an incentive to hire undocumented labor.

Guy, we went over this. Those tough jobs are done by unionized workers paid by the government, the kind of socialism your sort decries.

JOEY!!!!

1. with every new way they find to get in, we'll close up those ways until they run out of new ways to get in. Ho hum. Trump of course will be re-elected (or proclaimed KING)

2. I'm all for dumping on all the people who stupidly vote Democrat, thereby allowing their country to turn into a 3rd world hellhole. Oh wait. That's right. They don't HAVE a country. They're open border, communist, internationalist, GLOBALISTS, bigoted affirmative action supporting racists.

3. I've always been for a living wage. Still am.

4. Unionized or not, firefighters, coal miners, military troops, are AMERICANS doing the toughest dirtiest, most dangerous jobs in America, that illegal aliens won't do.

 

[protectionist]

Since March 23 of this year Trump has hit China with $699 Billion in tariffs. China has "retaliated" (LOL) with $213 Billion of their own. (as of August 8) Guess whose winning the trade war.

 

[danielpalos]

one thousand per person!

 

[protectionist]

nobody takes the right wing seriously about economics; they have their right wing religious dogma.

Nobody on the left that is, but who cares ? US left is in free fall.

 

[protectionist]

The idea is based on the believe that blacks will not go to the trouble of voting if they have to remember to bring their id to the polls.

No, that is the "idea" that liberal propaganda is drumming into your heads. The real "idea" of voter ID, is CiTIZENSHIP ID, necessary to stop millions of illegal aliens fro voting (90% for Democrats)

All the talk about blacks voting, or not voting, is a concoction/deflection.

 

[danielpalos]

nobody takes the right wing seriously about economics; they have their right wing religious dogma.

Nobody on the left that is, but who cares ? US left is in free fall.

anybody can gossip, right wingers.
U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

There won't be any incentive for a business to remain in the country either. Don't you remember what happened last time unions and overbearing government challenged industry?

Yes, I do.

I remember that well. We had a middle class, guys like my dad could work a union job and have a middle class lifestyle in a nice neighborhood. That's what I remember.

That's what I remember.

So you have no recollection of businesses leaving because it cost too much to product products in the US thanks to unions, taxes and regulations?

 

[JoeB131]

1. with every new way they find to get in, we'll close up those ways until they run out of new ways to get in. Ho hum. Trump of course will be re-elected (or proclaimed KING)

Trump won't finish his first term. and no, man, as long as there are shitty jobs American WHite Trash would rather collect welfare than take, we will need undocumented labor.

2. I'm all for dumping on all the people who stupidly vote Democrat, thereby allowing their country to turn into a 3rd world hellhole. Oh wait. That's right. They don't HAVE a country. They're open border, communist, internationalist, GLOBALISTS, bigoted affirmative action supporting racists.

Guy, we live in a global world now, DEAL WITH IT.

If your dumb white trash ass can't compete with international workers, you are doing it wrong.

4. Unionized or not, firefighters, coal miners, military troops, are AMERICANS doing the toughest dirtiest, most dangerous jobs in America, that illegal aliens won't do.

And they are well paid for it, and have protections and rights... that's the point.

Not that being a firefighter is all that tough. They spend most of their time sitting on their asses waiting for a call that usually doesn't demand they bring out all six fire engines because they are bored.

 

[JoeB131]

So you have no recollection of businesses leaving because it cost too much to product products in the US thanks to unions, taxes and regulations?

Naw, man.

What I recall is that the company I worked at had no unions, no real regulations and got a shit load of tax breaks, and most of our employees were immigrant ladies, and they STILL moved the manufacturing lines to Malaysia.

 

[protectionist]

Trump won't finish his first term. and no, man, as long as there are shitty jobs American WHite Trash would rather collect welfare than take, we will need undocumented labor.

No, we didn't need illegal alien in the past, and don't need it now or in the future.
Only the VESTED INTERESTS need illegal aliens, not the American people.

List of US Vested Interests for Immigration

1. Businesses wanting cheap labor to boost their profits.

2. Churches wanting parishoners to fill their empty pews.

3. Unions wanting members to replace their declining memberships.

4. Spanish media NEEDING Spanish-only speakers.

5. Ethnocentrist organizations wanting immigrants to multiply their race, for racist reasons (ex. La Raza- "the race")

6. Democrats seek VOTES (and get them).

7. Terrorists come in to enact terrorism (ex. the 9-11 hijackers came in on visas)

8. Anchor baby parents who become LEGALLY entitled to welfare benefits by having the pregnant woman give birth on the American side of the border. And then help themselves to a lifetime of benefits (more immigrants are receiving welfare benefits than native-born Americans).

9. Mexico - remittances$$$ from the USA are their second largest source of income (second only to their oil exports) Mexico also benefits immensely by dumping their poor people on the US, as we then stupidly pay their poverty bill for them. Other countries also benefit from remittances and poverty dumping.

10. Mexico's reconquista of the American southwest. I take the Mexican govt at it's word when it says that is exactly its plan.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Trump won't finish his first term. and no, man, as long as there are shitty jobs American WHite Trash would rather collect welfare than take, we will need undocumented labor.

Then the solution is to reduce welfare benefits--not bring in other people to do the work.

Guy, we live in a global world now, DEAL WITH IT.

If your dumb white trash ass can't compete with international workers, you are doing it wrong.

Yes, we are doing it wrong, we voted Democrat in the past. The best thing we can do right now to protect this country and our jobs is to keep Democrats out of power.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So you have no recollection of businesses leaving because it cost too much to product products in the US thanks to unions, taxes and regulations?

Naw, man.

What I recall is that the company I worked at had no unions, no real regulations and got a shit load of tax breaks, and most of our employees were immigrant ladies, and they STILL moved the manufacturing lines to Malaysia.

Oh, you recall one company, huh? No wonder you're so knowledgable about the economy and jobs.

 

[protectionist]

Guy, we live in a global world now, DEAL WITH IT.

If your dumb white trash ass can't compete with international workers, you are doing it wrong.

Oh, but we ARE dealing with it. With tariffs, with nationalist speeches, with leaving TPP, with tightening our border, with deportations, and with Donald Trump.

We don't NEED to compete with international workers. We just need to keep them out of the USA.

 

[protectionist]

And they are well paid for it, and have protections and rights... that's the point.

Not that being a firefighter is all that tough. They spend most of their time sitting on their asses waiting for a call that usually doesn't demand they bring out all six fire engines because they are bored.

"The" point ? LOL. Not MY point. My point was that Americans will do any job, as long as they're not being underpaid. We gave up on slavery quite some time ago. You agree with that, right Mr Living Wage ?

As for the firefighters, maybe some firefighters in this forum will set your ass straight on that.

 

[JoeB131]

No, we didn't need illegal alien in the past, and don't need it now or in the future.
Only the VESTED INTERESTS need illegal aliens, not the American people.

We've always needed immigrant labor. It was just in the past, they came in for the seasonal work and went home when it was done. But because bigots like you freaked out, they found it more practical to just come here with the whole family and stay rather than trying to sneak across the border a couple of times a year.

10. Mexico's reconquista of the American southwest. I take the Mexican govt at it's word when it says that is exactly its plan.

Ah, yes, your fantasies about reconquista...