What have the poor done to deserve our support?

[Full-Auto]

Clearly we need the poor to have money in their pockets so they can buy our goods and services.

And the rich use them to build their empires.

When did a poor person ever create a job? Last time he had money in his pockets. Before Bush took office. That's when.

In spite of the fact that this argument has been made numerous times here....we never seem to see any of the dug-in nutters acknowledge the truth in it.

When lots of people have money to buy necessities AND a few bucks to spend on wants AND a few bucks to save and invest..........................we all benefit. I sure wish that every McDonalds employee had a the cash to remodel their kitchen.

And despite the fact that their way didn't work, won't work, isn't going to work, they will never admit it. Look at how bad things were in 2008 and they basically voted for another 4 years of Bush. That's how brainwashed they are.

Thank God for the 99%ers' They seem to understand the system is rigged. I think most of them are going to vote for Obama again. The economy is getting better and Mitt is against them.

But man are a lot of middle class and even poor Americans brainwashed. I've narrowed it down to God, Gays and Guns. Flat out ignorants. Racist, Stubborness. Or they even might actually possess a gene that you and I don't have. Greed, bitter, always think somoenes out to get theirs. Not realizing they benefit too when we are all in this together.

And I know a lot of very good people who are voting Republican. They have been brainwashed by Fox and/or Rush. But again, they must have the gene that makes them seseptable to it, because all I get from watching Fox is mad.

People have been brainwashed. Now they are set in their ways. All we can do is hope they wake up or stop voting.

LOL Youve studied the talking points well grasshopper.

Most are complete shit. But youre a leftie. Its to be expected.

 

[sealybobo]

Clearly we need the poor to have money in their pockets so they can buy our goods and services.

And the rich use them to build their empires.

When did a poor person ever create a job? Last time he had money in his pockets. Before Bush took office. That's when.

Now that's circular thinking. You answered your own question in your first sentence. The 'poor' create jobs through their spending habits.

Um, no they dont.

And giving the rich all the money and waiting for them to hire or for it to trickle down doesn't work either. Not unless you are a swiss banker.

Demand creates jobs. Investment creates jobs. Right now the rich aren't investing in America. Like FDR had to, the government is going to have to do something about that. Fix NAFTA, imprison people who hire illegals, etc.

Government is the referee. No such thing as a free market. We set the rules. If corporations and the rich who now own our politicians think otherwise, we should be able to vote on it. There are a lot more of us than there are them.

Maybe if more of you middle classers who vote with the rich would wake up and join the right team, maybe our democracy will once again work for all of us, not just the top 1%.

You probably feel safe and don't want to mess with the status quo? Most cons do. Well then you better wake up to guys like Ron Paul who want to make it every man for himself.

Yes our government is too big and corrupt. They only get away with it because they have successfully divided us. Trust me, their way didn't work for you. If it did, then you are the minority. It didn't work out for most of us.

I remember in the 1990's they paid Taco Bell workers $10 hr. What was wrong with that? They spent all of it on your goods and services. Now most middle class business owners are struggling and because of God, gays and guns, they blame the dems for their woes when trickle down isn't working!!

 

[Intense]

I am talking about generations of unemployed and unemployable people. Don't tell me they dont exist. You ought to know better.
Your comparison of the Bush years with the Clinton years is a joke. But I have effectively refuted your point: off shoring was going like crazy during hte Bush years and there was more manufacturing going on here and less unemployment.
I am sorry you cannot compete against guys more qualified than you. Night school maybe?

Vocational School. Trade School. Charter Schools work Miracles in some of the most impoverished areas of NYC. Unfortunately the Teachers Union's work to discredit them. Bottom line good study habits happen best when the kids are reached earlier on.

The malaise and entitlement of generational poverty has to be overcome first. And that's a tall order.

Learning to read and count is not elective study. It's here and now.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

"What have the poor done to deserve our support?"

They built and maintain this Nation. Do rich people do anything besides go to "meetings"?

Now I've heard it all.

 

[DiamondDave]

What have the poor done to deserve our support?

Don't talk to me. Talk to your "Jesus".

And where did Jesus call for forced support thru government over voluntary charity from one's own heart??

For in this country you are free to be generous and nobody stops you... and if you are indeed a miserly and selfish person, you also have the freedom to be such... and nobody has the right, even the government, to force them to support others

 

[The Rabbi]

Now that's circular thinking. You answered your own question in your first sentence. The 'poor' create jobs through their spending habits.

Um, no they dont.

And giving the rich all the money and waiting for them to hire or for it to trickle down doesn't work either. Not unless you are a swiss banker.

!

Um, no one gives the rich anything, skippy. Did you miss the memo?

 

[Sunshine]

Clearly we need the poor to have money in their pockets so they can buy our goods and services.

And the rich use them to build their empires.

When did a poor person ever create a job? Last time he had money in his pockets. Before Bush took office. That's when.

Now that's circular thinking. You answered your own question in your first sentence. The 'poor' create jobs through their spending habits.

Um, no they dont.

If they all stopped going to Kroger, I'm sure you would see fewer check out people working.

 

[sealybobo]

In spite of the fact that this argument has been made numerous times here....we never seem to see any of the dug-in nutters acknowledge the truth in it.

When lots of people have money to buy necessities AND a few bucks to spend on wants AND a few bucks to save and invest..........................we all benefit. I sure wish that every McDonalds employee had a the cash to remodel their kitchen.

And despite the fact that their way didn't work, won't work, isn't going to work, they will never admit it. Look at how bad things were in 2008 and they basically voted for another 4 years of Bush. That's how brainwashed they are.

Thank God for the 99%ers' They seem to understand the system is rigged. I think most of them are going to vote for Obama again. The economy is getting better and Mitt is against them.

But man are a lot of middle class and even poor Americans brainwashed. I've narrowed it down to God, Gays and Guns. Flat out ignorants. Racist, Stubborness. Or they even might actually possess a gene that you and I don't have. Greed, bitter, always think somoenes out to get theirs. Not realizing they benefit too when we are all in this together.

And I know a lot of very good people who are voting Republican. They have been brainwashed by Fox and/or Rush. But again, they must have the gene that makes them seseptable to it, because all I get from watching Fox is mad.

People have been brainwashed. Now they are set in their ways. All we can do is hope they wake up or stop voting.

LOL Youve studied the talking points well grasshopper.

Most are complete shit. But youre a leftie. Its to be expected.

Think about what you go along with:

Free but not fair trade
Pollution
Paris Hilton and Shell Oil pay no taxes and you pay 35%
Citizens United
Deregulations to the banks, wallstreet, mortgage industry,
Lied us into a war
Hiring Illegals. Remember Jobs Americans Won't Do? I didn't.
Lowering wages/Breaking Unions. Why? Don't you like 40 hour work weeks and sick days?

Why, because of God Gays or Guns? Or have they convinced you we are socialists because we are pro union/labor? That's the middle class buddy.

 

[sealybobo]

What have the poor done to deserve our support?

Don't talk to me. Talk to your "Jesus".

And where did Jesus call for forced support thru government over voluntary charity from one's own heart??

For in this country you are free to be generous and nobody stops you... and if you are indeed a miserly and selfish person, you also have the freedom to be such... and nobody has the right, even the government, to force them to support others

He said love your neighbor and take care of the sick and poor. That's what our government is doing.

We are all in this together.

 

[Full-Auto]

And despite the fact that their way didn't work, won't work, isn't going to work, they will never admit it. Look at how bad things were in 2008 and they basically voted for another 4 years of Bush. That's how brainwashed they are.

Thank God for the 99%ers' They seem to understand the system is rigged. I think most of them are going to vote for Obama again. The economy is getting better and Mitt is against them.

But man are a lot of middle class and even poor Americans brainwashed. I've narrowed it down to God, Gays and Guns. Flat out ignorants. Racist, Stubborness. Or they even might actually possess a gene that you and I don't have. Greed, bitter, always think somoenes out to get theirs. Not realizing they benefit too when we are all in this together.

And I know a lot of very good people who are voting Republican. They have been brainwashed by Fox and/or Rush. But again, they must have the gene that makes them seseptable to it, because all I get from watching Fox is mad.

People have been brainwashed. Now they are set in their ways. All we can do is hope they wake up or stop voting.

LOL Youve studied the talking points well grasshopper.

Most are complete shit. But youre a leftie. Its to be expected.

Think about what you go along with:

Free but not fair trade
Pollution
Paris Hilton and Shell Oil pay no taxes and you pay 35%
Citizens United
Deregulations to the banks, wallstreet, mortgage industry,
Lied us into a war
Hiring Illegals. Remember Jobs Americans Won't Do? I didn't.
Lowering wages/Breaking Unions. Why? Don't you like 40 hour work weeks and sick days?

Why, because of God Gays or Guns? Or have they convinced you we are socialists because we are pro union/labor? That's the middle class buddy.

I dont know how to answer with so many assumptions and projections.

You dont have a clue to my views.

Let me help you out, because you people seem to believe collecting that extra 70 billion a year will stop the trillion and half deficit. That deserves mocking. But hey Obama found 300k a year and its the first time democrats didnt immediately aim at heating for the poor.

Government - Interest Expense on the Debt Outstanding

Government - Historical Debt Outstanding – Annual

Get up to speed dreamer................

 

[NLT]

The poor are the ones who fill our military. The poor are the ones who die for their country

BFS, Dickhead. I served 23 yrs in the USN and I came from an upper middle class family. While there is a percentage of the poor, most of the people I've met in the Military came from the Middle Class. negged for being stupid.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

You always think in terms of division, on every issue, if it's not race it's wealth or something else. you have a sickness.

I didn't start this thread....I only responded.

True. This divisive thread was started by a nitwit conservative who felt compelled to exhibit his ignorance and hate, even though it was completely unnecessary as both were already known.

 

[NLT]

What is the wealth 'cut off' point for getting into the military?

Precisely. None. Most go into the military to defend thier nation on behalf of thier countrymen...even to defend RW'er.

Frankly I think RW is unmasking himself.

He's not talking about our volunteer military, but the draft military. The volunteer military is firmly middle class.

There is no Draft Military. There has'nt been any since the 70's. So he is and was talking about the present military and as usual he does'nt have a clue.

 

[sealybobo]

LOL Youve studied the talking points well grasshopper.

Most are complete shit. But youre a leftie. Its to be expected.

Think about what you go along with:

Free but not fair trade
Pollution
Paris Hilton and Shell Oil pay no taxes and you pay 35%
Citizens United
Deregulations to the banks, wallstreet, mortgage industry,
Lied us into a war
Hiring Illegals. Remember Jobs Americans Won't Do? I didn't.
Lowering wages/Breaking Unions. Why? Don't you like 40 hour work weeks and sick days?

Why, because of God Gays or Guns? Or have they convinced you we are socialists because we are pro union/labor? That's the middle class buddy.

I dont know how to answer with so many assumptions and projections.

You dont have a clue to my views.

Let me help you out, because you people seem to believe collecting that extra 70 billion a year will stop the trillion and half deficit. That deserves mocking. But hey Obama found 300k a year and its the first time democrats didnt immediately aim at heating for the poor.

Government - Interest Expense on the Debt Outstanding

Government - Historical Debt Outstanding – Annual

Get up to speed dreamer................

How would you solve the debt problem?

Allowing corporations and the rich to not pay their fair share certainly isn't the way. Or lying us into the Iraq war and paying for it with borrowed money.

And why when they were in power did the GOP pass tax breaks for companies sending jobs overseas? Is it because our government now works for the corporations instead of the people? Citizens United would suggest so.

The GOP are only cutting spending on things that help the poor and middle class. Drop in the bucket but making America a much worse place than it was before. Eliminating safety nets during a time when you caused a great recession? And the rich have never been richer? And you think they need more tax breaks?

History repeats itself. This happned in 1948 and before the Great Recession. And most Americans don't realize they are brainwashed through Fox and Rush and Drudge. The media has been taken over but they've brainwashed you for 30 years by telling you its the liberal media. Its only as liberal as they want it to be.

 

[sealybobo]

The poor are the ones who fill our military. The poor are the ones who die for their country

BFS, Dickhead. I served 23 yrs in the USN and I came from an upper middle class family. While there is a percentage of the poor, most of the people I've met in the Military came from the Middle Class. negged for being stupid.

In times of piece, when the number of soldiers enlisted is lower, the army will only take the best and the brightest. During war, they go right after the poor. They were so deperate during the Iraq/Afganistan war that they took ex cons and sometimes even convicts in exchange for early release.

 

[DiamondDave]

What have the poor done to deserve our support?

Don't talk to me. Talk to your "Jesus".

And where did Jesus call for forced support thru government over voluntary charity from one's own heart??

For in this country you are free to be generous and nobody stops you... and if you are indeed a miserly and selfish person, you also have the freedom to be such... and nobody has the right, even the government, to force them to support others

He said love your neighbor and take care of the sick and poor. That's what our government is doing.

We are all in this together.

Idiot...

Again... Jesus never called for the forced confiscation from others

Our government is not 'taking care of the sick and poor', they are throwing money at the problem... money that is being taken for forced charity

This is not some hippie commune where 'everyone is in this together'.. this is a nation based on freedoms and the protection of those freedoms.. among which is the freedom to succeed that goes hand in hand with the freedom to fail

While I whole heartedly call for people to support charities for causes that speak to them personally... in NO way should any charity or support be forced thru government and taxation... such things are exactly why we have the multi-tendrilled leviathan, hungry for power, that we have now... which is crippling our country

 

[sealybobo]

And a lot of people say they are middle class and they are not.

 

[NYcarbineer]

In frequent threads here the brain-dead leftists moan about how the "idle rich" (like there is such a thing) don't deserve their money. But look at the other side. The poor in this country enjoy a lifestyle envied by even middle class people in most of the world. What have they done to deserve this? The idlest of the idle rich invest money and help other hard working people get ahead. The poor simply absorb tax payer funding and have babies.

You should ask all the Christian Churches who give millions to the poor in one form or another.

If the poor do not deserve such charity, then Christianity is a religion with a very serious fundamental flaw...

...to the point, perhaps of being an enabler of sloth and irresponsibility.

Exactly, when it is corrupted by Socialist Influence, exactly. Great point. Spot on.

I wonder how many church going conservatives withhold contributions to their churches on the grounds that they don't want to be a party to perpetuating poverty and making the poor dependent on their nanny church?

 

[NLT]

The poor are the ones who fill our military. The poor are the ones who die for their country

BFS, Dickhead. I served 23 yrs in the USN and I came from an upper middle class family. While there is a percentage of the poor, most of the people I've met in the Military came from the Middle Class. negged for being stupid.

In times of piece, when the number of soldiers enlisted is lower, the army will only take the best and the brightest. During war, they go right after the poor. They were so deperate during the Iraq/Afganistan war that they took ex cons and sometimes even convicts in exchange for early release.

Since I was in during the war, please provide proof.

 

[NYcarbineer]

What have the poor done to deserve our support?

Don't talk to me. Talk to your "Jesus".

The only problem with your point is that you have not yet learned to distinguish between Charity and Forced Compliance. Learn to give voluntarily, from your Heart RD.

Now give me your wallet, with everything in it. Give me a big smile and a hug too.

There is no material difference to the poor person whether his handout came from a voluntary contribution or as you call it 'forced'. It has the same effect on him, and thus if you believe conservative propaganda, it makes him lazy and dependent.

BTW, since government social programs are democratically created, it is only a fraction of the people who pay for them who have any cause to call them 'forced'.