Pennsylvania drug testing welfare recipients

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    Ask Florida how much money they wasted on less than 2% testing positive. They actually test positive at a lesser rate than the general population.

    Cons are really for small government. :lol: :lol:
     
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    As the article notes, the tests are expensive and raise difficult constitutional issues. They are also stigmatizing and frequently register false positives.

    Ignoring all of these issues, it's still not clear what the tests are designed to accomplish. Although it's not stated explicitly in the article, I assume that someone who tests positive will be denied government assistance to which they would otherwise be entitled. As troubling as it is to imagine the government paying people who then abuse drugs, it's not clear that denying them the benefits, particularly benefits which would be used to support family members who are not on drugs, will improve anything. Is someone addicted to cocaine likely to quit if their habit effectively becomes more expensive? If drug tests are applied, I prefer that a positive result would prompt drug counseling or treatment rather than a denial of benefits. Of course, this would be more expensive.
     
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    4th Amendment? What's that? :uhoh3:
     
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    Don't they already know that the drug users wind up in jail while the women and grandmothers that are left behind in their wreckage are the ones getting welfare to take care of kids that would otherwise wind up in an overburdened foster system or the street?
     
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    I see claims that they are expensive tests.

    Yeah, a whopping $6.00 for a 12 panel test when purchased in bulk. 12-Panel Drug Test - $7.99 each I'd hardly call that expensive.
     
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    This is the one-two punch of the welfare state. Get 'em dependent and then dictate how they live their lives.

    Go team!
     
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    The same thing all welfare state programs are designed to accomplish - conformity and control.
     
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    The Fox News story linked to in the original post noted the claim made by one group that has studied the issue that

    For all I know it could be substantially less. However, the suggestion that the cost per drug user detected could be near 50 cents is absurd. One source claims that Florida's drug testing policy (which differs in important ways from Pennsylvania's pilot program) costs the taxpayers about as much as it "saves", even ignoring the costs of defending the program in the courts and certain administrative costs (Welfare drug-testing yields 2% positive results | TBO.com).
     
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    These (Florida and Pennsylvania's tests) are fairly obvious attempts to discourage use of public assistance by humiliating and harassing those who would apply for it.
     
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