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As someone once said, without religion, cracking skulls would be open season and just another pastime.
Except, thats nonsense.
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As someone once said, without religion, cracking skulls would be open season and just another pastime.
As someone once said, without religion, cracking skulls would be open season and just another pastime.
Except, thats nonsense.
As someone once said, without religion, cracking skulls would be open season and just another pastime.
Except, thats nonsense.
Crime rates would have been very different today and historically without religion. Believe what you want.
Well, here's the thing.
If you're going to say that you havent seen much of people valuing life and such outside of Religion......
And I have.......
My obvious remark would be for you to meet new people because where you're looking is obviously odd...to me, based on my own experience in finding that non-Religious still value life.
You're not here to talk, you're here for a "gotcha!" Get the fuggouttaaa heyaa.
You have no way to know why I am here. I am not insulting you. I am defending those who I thought unfairly insulted and doing my best to answer your question. But that which I say I have learned you say I could have learned outside of religion. And your implication was that if I 'got out more", so to speak, I would know that.
Would it not follow that if you spent more time with people of genuine faith and religious beliefs, you might better understand the truth of what I am saying here? And if you say you have done that, could it not logically follow that I have also witnessed the dynamics of perception and understand among those who reject religious faith and concepts just as much as you have?
I have been in and around Religion all of my life.
I see no different caring for human life of the Religious versus the non.
im in complete disagreement with you. I dont see our society as devolving..but evolving. Cheating and stealing has been around forever. Forever. Youre just jaded, and thats alright...but sadly for the theory is that much of america respects their parents..works hard, and are honest. The only way you can think differently is to over indulge in media hype, or widely seclude yourself.also...if your theory about our destruction is true, it has nothing provable to do with religion.I disagree, I believe mankind taught it all.
If mankind taught it. Then our American Society would not be going down the tubes the way it has. Our culture is seeing the way mankind has become without religious teaching.
Our children do not have respect for their parents.
Woman would not be doing abortions at over a million each and every year. It's desensitizing the value of human life.
Everyone is cheating on each other and divorce is sky high.
People are robbing and stealing right and left.
Almost everyone is lying to each other, especially our Government.
Everyone is jealous of what everyone else has and they want it and they want it now. Credit cards are maxed out.
Our society was never like this, just a few short 45 or 50 years ago.
We were totally opposite from what I just listed.
Except, thats nonsense.
Crime rates would have been very different today and historically without religion. Believe what you want.
Laws are designed for optimum peaceful coexistence. Laws are not designed to appease god....religion was designed to control people to reflect an optimum coexistence, as theorized and learned by years and years of trial and error, mankind getting it wrong, etc.
Fox..I wont even dignify that with a response. You ranted, and (just in my opinion of course) are way off base. Way off base. Atheism isnt quite an organization, fyi. Im not even an atheist either. Just..move on.
I answered your question and I got it.
You can not learn good and evil without religious teaching.
Society does not teach this.
Mankind left by itself always resorts back to selfishness, jealousy, envy, murder and so on.
I disagree, I believe mankind taught it all.
If mankind taught it. Then our American Society would not be going down the tubes the way it has. Our culture is seeing the way mankind has become without religious teaching.
Our children do not have respect for their parents.
Woman would not be doing abortions at over a million each and every year. It's desensitizing the value of human life.
Everyone is cheating on each other and divorce is sky high.
People are robbing and stealing right and left.
Almost everyone is lying to each other, especially our Government.
Everyone is jealous of what everyone else has and they want it and they want it now. Credit cards are maxed out.
Our society was never like this, just a few short 45 or 50 years ago.
We were totally opposite from what I just listed.
Okay, I'll be more specific.
Any books claiming to be inspired by or the word of - God - or claiming intimate knowledge of God and proceeding with a list of his wishes or actions.
Ahh.... it is always good to define terms because that is not how I would define it. So, based upon your definition, I have learned some history and sociology from religion.
That you could not have learned outside of it, or as a happenstance that you didn't learn outside of it?
Crime rates would have been very different today and historically without religion. Believe what you want.
Laws are designed for optimum peaceful coexistence. Laws are not designed to appease god....religion was designed to control people to reflect an optimum coexistence, as theorized and learned by years and years of trial and error, mankind getting it wrong, etc.
Belief in God and an afterlife are more persuasive than you are willing to admit. Live in different parts of the world and this becomes evident. Ever live abroad?
Fox..I wont even dignify that with a response. You ranted, and (just in my opinion of course) are way off base. Way off base. Atheism isnt quite an organization, fyi. Im not even an atheist either. Just..move on.
That's an awfully wordy way of acknowledging defeat.
the point is not that religion has not contributed anything to society...its that man came up with religion as a control mechanism to spread a way of living that they had learned was optimum all on their own...god aside.Ahh.... it is always good to define terms because that is not how I would define it. So, based upon your definition, I have learned some history and sociology from religion.
That you could not have learned outside of it, or as a happenstance that you didn't learn outside of it?
I suppose the argument could be made that I might have learned it from books written by people who had read "religion", but I don't see how that changes it. How many writings from the early periods of our history do we have, outside of religious texts?
Religion is an intrinsic part of human culture. Any study of humanity without including religion would be self-defeating.
Laws are designed for optimum peaceful coexistence. Laws are not designed to appease god....religion was designed to control people to reflect an optimum coexistence, as theorized and learned by years and years of trial and error, mankind getting it wrong, etc.
Belief in God and an afterlife are more persuasive than you are willing to admit. Live in different parts of the world and this becomes evident. Ever live abroad?
Thats what I mean when I say that they were created as a means of control. Of course, fear of prison has been a decent prohibitor..not perfect but decent........and then theres the inherent goodness in most of us. That helps too..
Fox..I wont even dignify that with a response. You ranted, and (just in my opinion of course) are way off base. Way off base. Atheism isnt quite an organization, fyi. Im not even an atheist either. Just..move on.
Belief in God and an afterlife are more persuasive than you are willing to admit. Live in different parts of the world and this becomes evident. Ever live abroad?
Thats what I mean when I say that they were created as a means of control. Of course, fear of prison has been a decent prohibitor..not perfect but decent........and then theres the inherent goodness in most of us. That helps too..
Religion is often predicated on the Godliness within each of us. Why is that a bad thing?
I disagree with you peach..organized crime was at an all time high during the great depression. Stealing is not more prevalent per capita...its just that theres more people. Youre off on mostly all that youve said. Ancient indiams were smoking pot bro. Its not a 60s and 70s thing. Its a human thing. Opium..alcohol..hash...all as old as society itself.