What Do Jews Say About End Times?

[holston]

Let's take a look at what they have to say:

Judaism 101: Mashiach: The Messiah

The word "mashiach" does not mean "savior." The notion of an innocent, divine or semi-divine being who will sacrifice himself to save us from the consequences of our own sins is a purely Christian concept that has no basis in Jewish thought.

The mashiach will be a great political leader descended from King David (Jeremiah 23:5). The mashiach is often referred to as "mashiach ben David" (mashiach, son of David). He will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments (Isaiah 11:2-5). He will be a charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader, who will win battles for Israel. He will be a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15). But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being.

What Will the Mashiach Do?

Before the time of the mashiach, there shall be war and suffering (Ezekiel 38:16)

The mashiach will bring about the political and spiritual redemption of the Jewish people by bringing us back to Israel and restoring Jerusalem (Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 23:8; 30:3; Hosea 3:4-5). He will establish a government in Israel that will be the center of all world government, both for Jews and gentiles (Isaiah 2:2-4; 11:10; 42:1). He will rebuild the Temple and re-establish its worship (Jeremiah 33:18). He will restore the religious court system of Israel and establish Jewish law as the law of the land (Jeremiah 33:15).

Messianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Messianism

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Religious Zionists are the Jewish religious minority of the basically secular Zionist movement who justified, on the basis of Judaism, secular Zionist efforts to build a Jewish state in the land of Israel. In their belief, the Jewish state is "the commencement of the growth of our redemption" (Hebrew: ראשית צמיחת גאולתנו* reshit tzmichat ge'ulateinu), and that state may be brought about by human action, without waiting for the Messiah to gather the Jews back into the Land of Israel.
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Religious Zionists explained in terms acceptable to the Halakha, the secular, mainly socialist, existentialist Zionist vision where material needs of the people are addressed through practical and realistic solutions, reflected by secular philosophers such as Ahad Ha'am.

In 1862, German Orthodox Rabbi Zvi Hirsch Kalischer published his tractate Derishat Zion, positing that the salvation of the Jews, promised by the Prophets, can come about only by self-help.[9]

The main ideologue of modern religious Zionism was Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook, who justified Zionism according Jewish law and urged young religious Jews to support efforts to settle the land, and the mainsteam, majority, secular and socialist Labour Zionists to give more consideration to Judaism.

Rav Kook saw Zionism as a part of a divine scheme which would result in the resettlement of the Jewish people in its homeland. This would bring salvation (Geula) to Jews, and then to the entire world. After world harmony is achieved by the refoundation of the Jewish homeland, the Messiah will come.

Jewish eschatology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_eschatology

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The Jewish Messiah refers to a human leader, physically descended from the Davidic line, who will rule and unite the people of Israel and will usher in the Messianic Age of global and universal peace. While the name of Jewish Messiah is considered to be one of the things that precede creation, he is neither considered divine nor the return of Jesus, in contrast to Christianity.


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The Sanhedrin will be re-established (Isaiah 1:26)


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The whole world will worship the One God of Israel (Isaiah 2:17)

Medieval Jewish authority Maimonides, whose work remains highly influential, wrote in his 12th century work the Mishneh Torah that Gentiles should be compelled by Jews to practice Noahide law. In a recent article for the Jewish Press, America's largest independent Jewish weekly, Rabbi Moshe Ben-Chaim says Gentiles can be improved just like Jews, but only through conversion.

"The Noachide laws," writes the rabbi, "are the bare essentials that entitle a human being to retain his right to life."

(Remember he is speaking of Gentiles as well as Jews and, yes, he said right to life.)

God will seek to destroy all the nations that go against Jerusalem (Zechariah 12:9, Isaiah 60:12)

"Reform" Judaism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reform_Judaism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progres...m_(Israel)


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Reform Judaism is a phrase that refers to various beliefs, practices and organizations associated with the Reform Jewish movement in North America, the United Kingdom and elsewhere.

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The headquarters of the World Union for Progressive Judaism (Reform Judaism is generally referred to as Progressive Judaism in Israel) were moved to Jerusalem in 1973, establishing Progressive Judaism’s international presence in Zion and reflecting its intention to form a strong indigenous movement.



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Progressive Judaism (Hebrew: יהדות רפורמית*) (Yiddish: רעפאָרם יידישקייַ&#1496, is an umbrella term used by strands of Judaism which affiliate to the World Union for Progressive Judaism (WUPJ). They embrace pluralism, modernity, equality and social justice as core values and believe that such values are consistent with a committed Jewish life. The movement includes more than 1.7 million members spread across 42 countries
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Zionists within the progressive movement are represented by Arzenu, a Brit Olamit (political party) within the World Zionist Organization. A Zionist Youth movement, Netzer Olami has affiliations with both the WUPJ and Arzenu.
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The World Union for Progressive Judaism (WUPJ) describes itself as the "international umbrella organization for the Reform, Liberal, Progressive and Reconstructionist movements." This overall Jewish religious movement is based in about 40 countries with more than 1,000 affiliated synagogues.

Putting it all simply, the Jewish religious objective is GLOBAL DOMINATION by JEWISH RULE with head quarters in Jerusalem.

The law by which ALL people of the world will be judged will determined by the Old Testament Laws as interpreted in the TALMUD by the Rabbis.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I would imagine Jews would say that the end of time we all die.

 

[Mr Natural]

Oy vey?

 

[holston]

I would imagine Jews would say that the end of time we all die.

End time - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In Judaism, the term "end of days" is a reference to the Messianic Age, and includes an in-gathering of the exiled diaspora, the coming of the mashiach, olam haba, and resurrection of the Tsadikim.

Resurrection of the dead - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Second Temple period

530 BCE to 70 CE

In the Second Temple period the concept of resurrection of the dead is found in 4Q521 among the Dead Sea scrolls, Josephus records it (Antiquities 18.14; Jewish War 2.163), and the New Testament records that the Sadducees did not believe in an afterlife, but the Pharisees believed in a literal resurrection of the body. Resurrection of the dead appears in detail in the extra-canonical books of Enoch, Jubilees, Apocalypse of Baruch, 2 Esdras and the Maccabees.

note: BCE stands for "Before Common Era" and CE stands for "Common Era"
The Jews have introduced these acronyms in order to avoid the use of BC and AD which stands for "Before Christ" and "The year of the Lord".
They do this because they do not wish to acknowledge either Christ as Lord or His historicity. Every time someone uses these designations they tacitly acknowledge that Christ Jesus was an historical figure.
The use of these designations in place of the standard ones is a good in indication that a Jew wrote or edited the article.


The Wiki article also falsely designates the books of Enoch, Jubilees, Apocalypse of Baruch, 2 Esdras and the Maccabees as extra-canonical. They are not canonical.

 

[holston]

Oy vey?

If you really don't give a sh1t, then why bother to post?

 

[CMike]

Wow. The nazi has started another thread spewing his vile.

I looked up the passages he cited. None of them say what he says he said


Isaiah 2:2-4. My comments in blue


2. And it shall be at the end of the days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be firmly established at the top of the mountains, and it shall be raised above the hills, and all the nations shall stream to it.I don't see anything saying they will be forced to come

Jeremiah 33:18

18. And of the Levitic priests, there shall not be cut off from before Me a man offering up a burnt offering, or burning a meal-offering or performing a sacrifice for all time.Wow. That definetly sounds like world jewish domination.




15. In those days and in that time I will cause to grow for David a plant of righteousness, and he shall execute justice and righteousness in the land.In the land of Israel

42:1 Behold My servant, I will support him, My chosen one, whom My soul desires; I have placed My spirit upon him, he shall promulgate justice to the nations.Other nations will want to learn from Israel
Isaiah 11

10. And it shall come to pass on that day, that the root of Jesse, which stands as a banner for peoples, to him shall the nations inquire, and his peace shall be [with] honor.More world peace. Sounds even more terrible.

3. And many peoples shall go, and they shall say, "Come, let us go up to the Lord's mount, to the house of the God of Jacob, and let Him teach us of His ways, and we will go in His paths," for out of Zion shall the Torah come forth, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.They will voluntary come


4. And he shall judge between the nations and reprove many peoples, and they shall beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift the sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore
That's the worst prophesy of all -- World Peace.

How horrible

Let's take a look at what they have to say:

Judaism 101: Mashiach: The Messiah

The word "mashiach" does not mean "savior." The notion of an innocent, divine or semi-divine being who will sacrifice himself to save us from the consequences of our own sins is a purely Christian concept that has no basis in Jewish thought.

The mashiach will be a great political leader descended from King David (Jeremiah 23:5). The mashiach is often referred to as "mashiach ben David" (mashiach, son of David). He will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments (Isaiah 11:2-5). He will be a charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader, who will win battles for Israel. He will be a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15). But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being.

What Will the Mashiach Do?

Before the time of the mashiach, there shall be war and suffering (Ezekiel 38:16)

The mashiach will bring about the political and spiritual redemption of the Jewish people by bringing us back to Israel and restoring Jerusalem (Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 23:8; 30:3; Hosea 3:4-5). He will establish a government in Israel that will be the center of all world government, both for Jews and gentiles (Isaiah 2:2-4; 11:10; 42:1). He will rebuild the Temple and re-establish its worship (Jeremiah 33:18). He will restore the religious court system of Israel and establish Jewish law as the law of the land (Jeremiah 33:15).

Messianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Messianism

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Religious Zionists are the Jewish religious minority of the basically secular Zionist movement who justified, on the basis of Judaism, secular Zionist efforts to build a Jewish state in the land of Israel. In their belief, the Jewish state is "the commencement of the growth of our redemption" (Hebrew: ראשית צמיחת גאולתנו* reshit tzmichat ge'ulateinu), and that state may be brought about by human action, without waiting for the Messiah to gather the Jews back into the Land of Israel.
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Religious Zionists explained in terms acceptable to the Halakha, the secular, mainly socialist, existentialist Zionist vision where material needs of the people are addressed through practical and realistic solutions, reflected by secular philosophers such as Ahad Ha'am.

In 1862, German Orthodox Rabbi Zvi Hirsch Kalischer published his tractate Derishat Zion, positing that the salvation of the Jews, promised by the Prophets, can come about only by self-help.[9]

The main ideologue of modern religious Zionism was Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook, who justified Zionism according Jewish law and urged young religious Jews to support efforts to settle the land, and the mainsteam, majority, secular and socialist Labour Zionists to give more consideration to Judaism.

Rav Kook saw Zionism as a part of a divine scheme which would result in the resettlement of the Jewish people in its homeland. This would bring salvation (Geula) to Jews, and then to the entire world. After world harmony is achieved by the refoundation of the Jewish homeland, the Messiah will come.

Jewish eschatology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jewish eschatology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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The Jewish Messiah refers to a human leader, physically descended from the Davidic line, who will rule and unite the people of Israel and will usher in the Messianic Age of global and universal peace. While the name of Jewish Messiah is considered to be one of the things that precede creation, he is neither considered divine nor the return of Jesus, in contrast to Christianity.


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The Sanhedrin will be re-established (Isaiah 1:26)


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The whole world will worship the One God of Israel (Isaiah 2:17)

Medieval Jewish authority Maimonides, whose work remains highly influential, wrote in his 12th century work the Mishneh Torah that Gentiles should be compelled by Jews to practice Noahide law. In a recent article for the Jewish Press, America's largest independent Jewish weekly, Rabbi Moshe Ben-Chaim says Gentiles can be improved just like Jews, but only through conversion.

"The Noachide laws," writes the rabbi, "are the bare essentials that entitle a human being to retain his right to life."

(Remember he is speaking of Gentiles as well as Jews and, yes, he said right to life.)

God will seek to destroy all the nations that go against Jerusalem (Zechariah 12:9, Isaiah 60:12)

"Reform" Judaism
Reform Judaism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progres...m_(Israel)


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Reform Judaism is a phrase that refers to various beliefs, practices and organizations associated with the Reform Jewish movement in North America, the United Kingdom and elsewhere.

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The headquarters of the World Union for Progressive Judaism (Reform Judaism is generally referred to as Progressive Judaism in Israel) were moved to Jerusalem in 1973, establishing Progressive Judaism’s international presence in Zion and reflecting its intention to form a strong indigenous movement.



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Progressive Judaism (Hebrew: יהדות רפורמית*) (Yiddish: רעפאָרם יידישקייַ&#1496, is an umbrella term used by strands of Judaism which affiliate to the World Union for Progressive Judaism (WUPJ). They embrace pluralism, modernity, equality and social justice as core values and believe that such values are consistent with a committed Jewish life. The movement includes more than 1.7 million members spread across 42 countries
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Zionists within the progressive movement are represented by Arzenu, a Brit Olamit (political party) within the World Zionist Organization. A Zionist Youth movement, Netzer Olami has affiliations with both the WUPJ and Arzenu.
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The World Union for Progressive Judaism (WUPJ) describes itself as the "international umbrella organization for the Reform, Liberal, Progressive and Reconstructionist movements." This overall Jewish religious movement is based in about 40 countries with more than 1,000 affiliated synagogues.

Putting it all simply, the Jewish religious objective is GLOBAL DOMINATION by JEWISH RULE with head quarters in Jerusalem.

The law by which ALL people of the world will be judged will determined by the Old Testament Laws as interpreted in the TALMUD by the Rabbis.

 

[CMike]

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[JakeStarkey]

The use of these designations in place of the standard ones is a good in indication that a Jew wrote or edited the article.

No, it isn't. Go to any university in the western world, and CE and BCE are used commonly by all.

The Wiki article also falsely designates the books of Enoch, Jubilees, Apocalypse of Baruch, 2 Esdras and the Maccabees as extra-canonical. They are not canonical.

You are not an authority.

 

[holston]

The use of these designations in place of the standard ones is a good in indication that a Jew wrote or edited the article.

No, it isn't. Go to any university in the western world, and CE and BCE are used commonly by all.

The Wiki article also falsely designates the books of Enoch, Jubilees, Apocalypse of Baruch, 2 Esdras and the Maccabees as extra-canonical. They are not canonical.

You are not an authority.

These would be the universities controlled by Zionist administrators. Universities which are not under their direction are growing more and more scarce.

You are not an authority.

And you are?

1 John 2

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Holston denies the Father and the Son with his lies.

I affirm the Father and the Son and the coming of the Son's glory.

My advise to Holston is to investigate those matters with which he is constitutionally incapable of understanding.

In our college and college community and the high schools back home, we had three Jews on the employment roles: a janitor, a secretary, and gym teacher. Not a "zionist" among them.

 

[CMike]

A Zionist is a supporter of Israel.

 

[MHunterB]

The use of these designations in place of the standard ones is a good in indication that a Jew wrote or edited the article.

No, it isn't. Go to any university in the western world, and CE and BCE are used commonly by all.

The Wiki article also falsely designates the books of Enoch, Jubilees, Apocalypse of Baruch, 2 Esdras and the Maccabees as extra-canonical. They are not canonical.

You are not an authority.

Is Holston so ignorant of proper English usage that he fails to understand the 'extra' as used in his above quote has the meaning 'NOT INCLUDED' or 'OUTSIDE OF' - as in 'extra-marital sex'?

Evidently so.

 

[holston]

The use of these designations in place of the standard ones is a good in indication that a Jew wrote or edited the article.

No, it isn't. Go to any university in the western world, and CE and BCE are used commonly by all.

The Wiki article also falsely designates the books of Enoch, Jubilees, Apocalypse of Baruch, 2 Esdras and the Maccabees as extra-canonical. They are not canonical.

You are not an authority.

Is Holston so ignorant of proper English usage that he fails to understand the 'extra' as used in his above quote has the meaning 'NOT INCLUDED' or 'OUTSIDE OF' - as in 'extra-marital sex'?

Evidently so.

The juxtaposition of the words implies an association there which is false.

By your definition one could say that a Popeye comic book was "extra-canonical".


"Extra-marital" does not mean "without sex".

The Pseudioepigrapha is "false".

In Biblical studies, the pseudepigrapha are Jewish religious works written c 200 BC to 200 AD, not all of which are literally pseudepigraphical. They are distinguished by Protestants from the Deuterocanonical (Catholic and Orthodox) or Apocrypha (Protestant), the books that appear in the Septuagint and Vulgate but not in the Hebrew Bible or in Protestant Bibles. Catholics distinguish only between the deuterocanonical and all the other books, that are called biblical Apocrypha, a name that is also used for the pseudepigrapha in the Catholic usage.

But why quibble about words unless they are being used to mislead or give false impressions?

The word "extra" also means, "in addition to".

Examples of Old Testament pseudepigrapha are the Ethiopian Book of Enoch, Jubilees (both of which are canonical in the Abyssinian Church of Ethiopia);

Biblical Pseudepigrapha

The term Pseudepigrapha commonly refers to numerous works of Jewish religious literature written from about 200 BC to 200 AD.[3] Not all of these works are actually pseudepigraphical.[3] It also refers to books of the New Testament canon whose authorship is misrepresented. Such works include the following:[3]

3 Maccabees
4 Maccabees
Assumption of Moses
Ethiopic Book of Enoch (1 Enoch)
Slavonic Book of Enoch (2 Enoch)
Book of Jubilees
Greek Apocalypse of Baruch (3 Baruch)
Letter of Aristeas
Life of Adam and Eve
Martyrdom and Ascension of Isaiah
Psalms of Solomon
Sibylline Oracles
Syriac Apocalypse of Baruch (2 Baruch)
Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs

What the reader needs to understand is that the above books never belonged to the canon nor were they ever considered inspired by the people who were in a position to know which was which, namely the first people to ever handle the books.

 

[MHunterB]

"By your definition one could say that a Popeye comic book was "extra-canonical"."

It's not 'my' definition but standard English usage. And yes, that statement of yours is correct, is it not?

BTW, 'Extra-marital' means 'outside of marriage'. You seemed to not understand that, either.

 

[holston]

A Zionist is a supporter of Israel.

That's not all it is.

A person who believes that all nations should have the same rights to autonomy and self governance need not be a Zionist.

A person who would other wise grant Israel the same rights and privileges as any other nation need not agree with or condone Israel's foreign or domestic policies nor the Zionist vision of global conquest.

There are very few Jews who are not Zionists and many Jews will say that anyone who is not a supporter of Zionism is antisemitic. This leaves no room for criticism of Israel or the Jews.

This kind of immunity grants the one bestowed with it a license to do anything without being called to task for it. A free and democratic society cannot tolerate such a condition.

The common denominator among all Zionists is the claim to Eretz Israel as the national homeland of the Jews and as the legitimate focus for the Jewish national self-determination.[20] It is based on historical ties and religious traditions linking the Jewish people to the Land of Israel.[21] Zionism does not have a uniform ideology, but has evolved in a dialogue among a plethora of ideologies: General Zionism, Religious Zionism, Labor Zionism, Revisionist Zionism, Green Zionism, etc.

So the term Zionism has come to denote far more than the simple belief in a nation to exist. It has come to stand for the apartheid regime of Israel, the devious subterfuge practiced by Jews world wide to achieve Jewish hegemony, the illegal confiscation of land, the betrayal of allies, and the Supremacist beliefs of the collection of people calling themselves Jews who believe that they have a God bequeathed right to govern the world and the duty to work towards that end by any means whatsoever.

The term "Zionism" itself is derived from the word Zion (Hebrew: ציון, Tzi-yon*), referring to Jerusalem.

Note that Jerusalem is where the Jews say their great POLITICAL and MILITARY leader will set up shop. From there the world shall be governed according to Noahide law, "the minimum requirement to retain one's right to live."

The fact that this Messiah of the Jews will be a great military leader who will win many battles for Israel ties directly in to the Rabbinical interpretation of Ezekiel which predicts that before his coming there shall be war and great suffering. All this can mean is that those awaiting there Messiah expect the same, without which the Messiah will not come. Go figure.

In 1975 the UN General Assembly passed Resolution 3379, which said "Zionism is a form of racism and racial discrimination".

On October 21, 1973, then-Soviet ambassador to the United Nations Yakov Malik declared: "The Zionists have come forth with the theory of the Chosen People, an absurd ideology."

Noam Chomsky, Norman Finkelstein, Irfan Khawaja, and Tariq Ali have suggested that the characterization of anti-Zionism as anti-Semitic is inaccurate, sometimes obscures legitimate criticism of Israel's policies and actions, and is sometimes a political ploy to stifle criticism of Israel.

 

[holston]

"By your definition one could say that a Popeye comic book was "extra-canonical"."

It's not 'my' definition but standard English usage. And yes, that statement of yours is correct, is it not?

BTW, 'Extra-marital' means 'outside of marriage'. You seemed to not understand that, either.

I understand the Jewish play on words for the purpose of conveying false messages.

3. something additional of the same kind;
- Example: "he always carried extras in case of an emergency"
[syn: extra, duplicate]


ADJECTIVE (3)

1. more than is needed, desired, or required;

Pseudo will do fine thank you.

 

[holston]

What Will the Mashiach Do?

Before the time of the mashiach, there shall be war and suffering (Ezekiel 38:16)

The mashiach will bring about the political and spiritual redemption of the Jewish people by bringing us back to Israel and restoring Jerusalem (Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 23:8; 30:3; Hosea 3:4-5). He will establish a government in Israel that will be the center of all world government, both for Jews and gentiles (Isaiah 2:2-4; 11:10; 42:1). He will rebuild the Temple and re-establish its worship (Jeremiah 33:18). He will restore the religious court system of Israel and establish Jewish law as the law of the land (Jeremiah 33:15).

See page 1 of this thread for links and details.

 

[CMike]

No nazi. A Zionist is a supporter of Israel.


I am a proud Zionist.

 

[CMike]

What Will the Mashiach Do?

Before the time of the mashiach, there shall be war and suffering (Ezekiel 38:16)

The mashiach will bring about the political and spiritual redemption of the Jewish people by bringing us back to Israel and restoring Jerusalem (Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 23:8; 30:3; Hosea 3:4-5). He will establish a government in Israel that will be the center of all world government, both for Jews and gentiles (Isaiah 2:2-4; 11:10; 42:1). He will rebuild the Temple and re-establish its worship (Jeremiah 33:18). He will restore the religious court system of Israel and establish Jewish law as the law of the land (Jeremiah 33:15).

See page 1 of this thread for links and details.

The one filled with your nazi lies?

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

A Zionist is a supporter of Israel.

Exactly.