Watching the sea ice melt in the arctic 2012!

[CrusaderFrank]

If Bobg and OR jumped on the Earth at the same time, they would move it twice as far from the Sun if they acted alone.

 

[RollingThunder]

Global warming is a hoax like global cooling was a hoax in the 70s. Like the danger from the hole in the ozone layer was a hoax. The ALAR scare was a hoax. No hoax made the billions that the biggest hoax of all generated, the Y2K hoax.

These hoaxes make money.

Activists use phonied up climate change data to pay off developing countries not to develop while the industrialized nations scurry around de-developing to bring them to the level of the 3rd world. That is, what's left after the activists deduct the handling charge for their good work.

It is too bad that you are such an ignorant and confused retard. Did your parents drop you on your head a lot or is your mental retardation congenital (or both)?

 

[RollingThunder]

If Bobg and OR jumped on the Earth at the same time, they would move it twice as far from the Sun if they acted alone.

Do you think that you will ever post anything that isn't completely moronic and pointless?....ever?....or is that a futile hope, given how utterly retarded you obviously are?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

If Bobg and OR jumped on the Earth at the same time, they would move it twice as far from the Sun if they acted alone.

Do you think that you will ever post anything that isn't completely moronic and pointless?....ever?....or is that a futile hope, given how utterly retarded you obviously are?

OMG! If the three of you jumped together you'd push the Earth into safe non-Global Warming orbit

 

[skookerasbil]

Global warming is a hoax like global cooling was a hoax in the 70s. Like the danger from the hole in the ozone layer was a hoax. The ALAR scare was a hoax. No hoax made the billions that the biggest hoax of all generated, the Y2K hoax.

These hoaxes make money.

Activists use phonied up climate change data to pay off developing countries not to develop while the industrialized nations scurry around de-developing to bring them to the level of the 3rd world. That is, what's left after the activists deduct the handling charge for their good work.

It is too bad that you are such an ignorant and confused retard. Did your parents drop you on your head a lot or is your mental retardation congenital (or both)?

 

[tjvh]

As of June 10th the volume is at record low levels and the area has just want below 2007!

We will be discussing the race for the record in this thread! What's even more AMAZING is the fact that we were almost to avg this winter!

Weather patterns are everything this year like the last 4 years as that will tell where we end up! If we see a strong ridge(arctic dipole) like 2007 that lasts through the season...Well, this will easly become number one, but if we see 3-5 weeks of low pressure like 2010, 2011 in the heart of the melt season we may end up in 2 or 3rd place.

What's really amazing is that people seem to believe that a few decades worth of data is enough to interpret the actual changes our planet goes through in the course of tens of thousands of years. Not only is it amazing, it is also quite laughable.

 

[Katzndogz]

It was a hoax in 2008 and is a hoax today.

Not only did they have to fiddle with the data to judge the rate at which ice is melting, but they totally failed to factor in the years when ice increased.

Earth's Polar Ice Melting Less Than Thought - US News and World Report

IF the ice was really melting and melting at the rate currently postulated, the oceans would rise at the rate of 6 hundredths of an inch a year AND that supposes that there will never be a freeze again.

Every summer it gets hot and crazy people scream global warming. Just like every winter it gets cold and crazy people scream climate change.

The same people who really believed that at midnight on December 31, 1999, the world would stop and we would be immediately back into 1900. Had we had an internet back in the day, we would have been subjected to blather about how hair spray was dissolving the ozone layer. The hole was getting bigger, no it was getting smaller, oh oh, now it's bigger again. Only to have scientists come up with the clever conclusion that there is a hole in the ozone layer, it gets bigger and smaller according to some force we don't know but it's been there forever and isn't going to change no matter how much spray deodorant we don't use.

The scam of course, is global warming hysteria itself. It is a way to bilk billions of dollars out of anyone UN scientists can fool. How many billions did the UN get to help poor countries protect against Y2K? The US spent 235 billion alone.

Once global warming has been depleted of all its value, there will be a new catastrophe, equally as stupid.

 

[Katzndogz]

As of June 10th the volume is at record low levels and the area has just want below 2007!

We will be discussing the race for the record in this thread! What's even more AMAZING is the fact that we were almost to avg this winter!

Weather patterns are everything this year like the last 4 years as that will tell where we end up! If we see a strong ridge(arctic dipole) like 2007 that lasts through the season...Well, this will easly become number one, but if we see 3-5 weeks of low pressure like 2010, 2011 in the heart of the melt season we may end up in 2 or 3rd place.

What's really amazing is that people seem to believe that a few decades worth of data is enough to interpret the actual changes our planet goes through in the course of tens of thousands of years. Not only is it amazing, it is also quite laughable.

What's amazing is that scientists believe they can control the planetary temperature the same way shamen could control rain by throwing chicken bones into a circle drawn in the dirt.

 

[skookerasbil]

It was a hoax in 2008 and is a hoax today.

Not only did they have to fiddle with the data to judge the rate at which ice is melting, but they totally failed to factor in the years when ice increased.

Earth's Polar Ice Melting Less Than Thought - US News and World Report

IF the ice was really melting and melting at the rate currently postulated, the oceans would rise at the rate of 6 hundredths of an inch a year AND that supposes that there will never be a freeze again.

Every summer it gets hot and crazy people scream global warming. Just like every winter it gets cold and crazy people scream climate change.

The same people who really believed that at midnight on December 31, 1999, the world would stop and we would be immediately back into 1900. Had we had an internet back in the day, we would have been subjected to blather about how hair spray was dissolving the ozone layer. The hole was getting bigger, no it was getting smaller, oh oh, now it's bigger again. Only to have scientists come up with the clever conclusion that there is a hole in the ozone layer, it gets bigger and smaller according to some force we don't know but it's been there forever and isn't going to change no matter how much spray deodorant we don't use.

The scam of course, is global warming hysteria itself. It is a way to bilk billions of dollars out of anyone UN scientists can fool. How many billions did the UN get to help poor countries protect against Y2K? The US spent 235 billion alone.

Once global warming has been depleted of all its value, there will be a new catastrophe, equally as stupid.

Katz bro...........gotta stop in here more often. It is THE place to see far left mental meltdowns on this whole board. Indeed........it is the pronounced level of k00k that keeps me coming back in here = social oddballs that have no conception of the "mean". You'd think their views were embraced by a huge majority They keep posting up the same links and graphs for the last 4 or 5 years and still nobody is caring in the real world. THATS what makes this place a hoot.

 

[tjvh]

As of June 10th the volume is at record low levels and the area has just want below 2007!

We will be discussing the race for the record in this thread! What's even more AMAZING is the fact that we were almost to avg this winter!

Weather patterns are everything this year like the last 4 years as that will tell where we end up! If we see a strong ridge(arctic dipole) like 2007 that lasts through the season...Well, this will easly become number one, but if we see 3-5 weeks of low pressure like 2010, 2011 in the heart of the melt season we may end up in 2 or 3rd place.

What's really amazing is that people seem to believe that a few decades worth of data is enough to interpret the actual changes our planet goes through in the course of tens of thousands of years. Not only is it amazing, it is also quite laughable.

What's amazing is that scientists believe they can control the planetary temperature the same way shamen could control rain by throwing chicken bones into a circle drawn in the dirt.

That too!

 

[bobgnote]

It was a hoax in 2008 and is a hoax today.

Not only did they have to fiddle with the data to judge the rate at which ice is melting, but they totally failed to factor in the years when ice increased.

Earth's Polar Ice Melting Less Than Thought - US News and World Report

IF the ice was really melting and melting at the rate currently postulated, the oceans would rise at the rate of 6 hundredths of an inch a year AND that supposes that there will never be a freeze again.

Every summer it gets hot and crazy people scream global warming. Just like every winter it gets cold and crazy people scream climate change.

The same people who really believed that at midnight on December 31, 1999, the world would stop and we would be immediately back into 1900. Had we had an internet back in the day, we would have been subjected to blather about how hair spray was dissolving the ozone layer. The hole was getting bigger, no it was getting smaller, oh oh, now it's bigger again. Only to have scientists come up with the clever conclusion that there is a hole in the ozone layer, it gets bigger and smaller according to some force we don't know but it's been there forever and isn't going to change no matter how much spray deodorant we don't use.

The scam of course, is global warming hysteria itself. It is a way to bilk billions of dollars out of anyone UN scientists can fool. How many billions did the UN get to help poor countries protect against Y2K? The US spent 235 billion alone.

Once global warming has been depleted of all its value, there will be a new catastrophe, equally as stupid.

So you posted the same, shitty US News link, to a January 2012 report, which has since been exceeded, by everything Matthew posted, before you even add what the rest of us posted, all the way, to today's page 5, see your page 3 and my page 3 posts:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/envir...-melt-in-the-arctic-2012-a-3.html#post5580156

http://www.usmessageboard.com/envir...-melt-in-the-arctic-2012-a-3.html#post5581991

You need to take yourself, for another walk, Crapzndogz. You sure are shitty!

 

[bobgnote]

O.R. must have posted this, but in case he didn't, let's repost this, to keep Crapzndogz busy:

Polar Science Center » Arctic Sea Ice Volume Anomaly, version 2


Hey! Crapzndogz! There's less ice, every year, and this is during mild solar cycles:

Don't forget to tell Dogznshit and Punkznfuck and Crapforbrains!

 

[Katzndogz]

This is how you get to global warming.


The government gives raw data to a bunch of "scientists" and says "If you find global warming we will give you billions of dollars. If you don't find global warming you will lose your job and we will make every effort to discredit you and ruin your career."

The melting sea ice means no more today than freezing sea ice meant when we had record freezes last go around. A year's worth of data or ten or twenty years worth of data is meaningless. You can't extrapolate from that what's going to happen. You have a report that says in 2012 sea ice is melting, but in 2010 it was growing!

Arctic sea ice growing - Climate scientists confused | Ecological Problems

In the last couple of years the Arctic ice was shrinking so rapidly that certain climate change scientists even made predictions how by the the year 2013 Arctic will be completely ice-free in summer months. However, the latest measured data showed that the amount of sea ice in Arctic has dramatically increased last month, reaching levels not seen at this time of year for a very long time.

In fact, since the year 2001 there hasn't been so much recorded ice at Arctic, and for the first time since 2001 Arctic ice cover is getting near to long-term average levels. This situation surprised many climate change scientists but most of them are still convinced that this is not the sign that there's no global warming but just a part of yearly variations in ice cover mainly caused by this year's unusually cold winter.

In the 1970s sea ice was growing so fast that scientists were predicting that only a narrow perimeter around the equator would be ice free by the end of the century.

Planetary changes take place over the course of millions of years, not 20 years or 50 years. The Sahara desert used to be a sea, global warming didn't dry it up into a desert. It just dried up into a desert. But it took a very, very long time to do it.

What will happen, in the future, is that sea ice will be suddenly discovered to be like the hole in the ozone layer. Sometimes it grows, sometimes it shrinks. No one knows why it just does.

If you really want something to worry about, try the caldera at Yellowstone. When it blows it will take out 2/3 of the whole country.

 

[RollingThunder]

This is how you get to global warming.


The government gives raw data to a bunch of "scientists" and says "If you find global warming we will give you billions of dollars. If you don't find global warming you will lose your job and we will make every effort to discredit you and ruin your career."

The melting sea ice means no more today than freezing sea ice meant when we had record freezes last go around. A year's worth of data or ten or twenty years worth of data is meaningless. You can't extrapolate from that what's going to happen. You have a report that says in 2012 sea ice is melting, but in 2010 it was growing!

Arctic sea ice growing - Climate scientists confused | Ecological Problems

In the last couple of years the Arctic ice was shrinking so rapidly that certain climate change scientists even made predictions how by the the year 2013 Arctic will be completely ice-free in summer months. However, the latest measured data showed that the amount of sea ice in Arctic has dramatically increased last month, reaching levels not seen at this time of year for a very long time.

In fact, since the year 2001 there hasn't been so much recorded ice at Arctic, and for the first time since 2001 Arctic ice cover is getting near to long-term average levels. This situation surprised many climate change scientists but most of them are still convinced that this is not the sign that there's no global warming but just a part of yearly variations in ice cover mainly caused by this year's unusually cold winter.

In the 1970s sea ice was growing so fast that scientists were predicting that only a narrow perimeter around the equator would be ice free by the end of the century.

Planetary changes take place over the course of millions of years, not 20 years or 50 years. The Sahara desert used to be a sea, global warming didn't dry it up into a desert. It just dried up into a desert. But it took a very, very long time to do it.

What will happen, in the future, is that sea ice will be suddenly discovered to be like the hole in the ozone layer. Sometimes it grows, sometimes it shrinks. No one knows why it just does.

If you really want something to worry about, try the caldera at Yellowstone. When it blows it will take out 2/3 of the whole country.

Typical of denier cult dimwits like ol' Kracknbrain here to cherry-pick some idiotic, two year old mistaken interpretation of some data from some moronic blogger and think that it means anything.

Arctic sea-ice levels at record low for June
Scientists say that the latest observations suggest that Arctic sea ice cover is continuing to shrink and thin

John Vidal, environment editor
The Guardian
27 June 2012
(excerpts)

Sea ice in the Arctic has melted faster this year than ever recorded before, according to the US government's National Snow and Ice Data Centre (NSIDC). Satellite observations show the extent of the floating ice that melts and refreezes every year was 318,000 square miles less last week than the same day period in 2007, the year of record low extent, and the lowest observed at this time of year since records began in 1979. Separate observations by University of Washington researchers suggest that the volume of Arctic sea ice is also the smallest ever calculated for this time of year.

Scientists cautioned that it is still early in the "melt season", but said that the latest observations suggest that the Arctic sea ice cover is continuing to shrink and thin and the pattern of record annual melts seen since 2000 is now well established. Last year saw the second greatest sea ice melt on record, 36% below the average minimum from 1979-2000. "Recent ice loss rates have been 100,000 to 150,000 square kilometres (38,600 to 57,900 square miles) per day, which is more than double the climatological rate. While the extent is at a record low for the date, it is still early in the melt season. Changing weather patterns throughout the summer will affect the exact trajectory of the sea ice extent through the rest of the melt season," said a spokesman for the NSIDC.

 

[flacaltenn]

Like I said -- when you pick areas with "at least 15% sea ice" and declare the whole thing melted and measure the area --- it sure sounds huge don't it??

Only problem is -- 85% of the area they are measuring never had any ice..

Maybe I'd be impressed if they used "areas with at least 50% sea ice", but then there wouldn't be as much hysteria would there?

 

[RollingThunder]

Like I said -- when you pick areas with "at least 15% sea ice" and declare the whole thing melted and measure the area --- it sure sounds huge don't it??

Only problem is -- 85% of the area they are measuring never had any ice..

Maybe I'd be impressed if they used "areas with at least 50% sea ice", but then there wouldn't be as much hysteria would there?

That's total nonsense. You quite obviously have no frigging idea what you're blabbing on about. As usual for you, fecalton.

Scientists use two terms, sea ice extent and sea ice area. Sea ice area is larger, as it is defined as the area of ocean with at least 15% sea ice. Which means that any grid square on their map that has "at least" 15% sea ice is counted as part of the sea ice area even if that grid square was 85% open water. Quite a bit of the areas that are currently open water were ice covered year round a few decades ago.

 

[flacaltenn]

Like I said -- when you pick areas with "at least 15% sea ice" and declare the whole thing melted and measure the area --- it sure sounds huge don't it??

Only problem is -- 85% of the area they are measuring never had any ice..

Maybe I'd be impressed if they used "areas with at least 50% sea ice", but then there wouldn't be as much hysteria would there?

That's total nonsense. You quite obviously have no frigging idea what you're blabbing on about. As usual for you, fecalton.

Scientists use two terms, sea ice extent and sea ice area. Sea ice area is larger, as it is defined as the area of ocean with at least 15% sea ice. Which means that any grid square on their map that has "at least" 15% sea ice is counted as part of the sea ice area even if that grid square was 85% open water. Quite a bit of the areas that are currently open water were ice covered year round a few decades ago.

The graph used above is CLEARLY LABELED "Sea Ice Extent" USING the definition of containing "at 15% of sea ice".. So in an area of "15% sea ice" the OPEN area would be counted as well as the iced area in the melt. That's a more than just a loose choice of parameter. It's on purpose. So that the sheer number of "SEA ICE EXTENT" appears to be big enough to cause folks to gasp.

Now Sea Ice VOLUME would be different wouldn't it? And I've seen some studies using that more honest metric. But I've yet to see a graph where "extent of sea ice" is quantized using anything more realistic like "25% sea ice" or even 50% sea ice.

Stuff your observation about what the "extent USED to be". The graph (such as it is) speaks for itself.. Or should I say SHREIKS for itself...

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What if Rolling, BobG and OldRocks all jumped on the Earth at the same time to push it futher from the Sun....would that stop the ice from melting?

 

[flacaltenn]

What if Rolling, BobG and OldRocks all jumped on the Earth at the same time to push it futher from the Sun....would that stop the ice from melting?

It's mV(squared) -- so yeah it would help to add another, but just 2 jumping a little faster would get the job done..

 

[bobgnote]

Fecaltoons has some kind of shit-picture, which he keeps trying to draw, since he can't link to anything, but shit, and his shit keeps getting named as stinky and sticky.

Here's the basics, of how the sea ice has declined, in an accelerating zig-zag, downward:

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Here's where the decline is going, even if some retard thinks a temporary upward trend is a general trend:

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When that ice starts all melting, year after year, it will no longer reflect energy, into space. When the Arctic albedo is GONE, extra CH4 will be in the atmosphere, and then West Antarctica will be endangered ice territory. And after that, East Antarctica will start to melt.

No matter how retarded you are, if you are alive, during THAT time, you will notice bad shit.