Natural gas to kill electric car!!!

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    Not that this would be earth shatterring news mind you...............


    “Only about 17,000 out of 12.8 million [vehicles] sold in 2011 were Leafs and Volts,” Duoba told TPM, also noting that: “At least for some time, compared to plug-in vehicle batteries, CNG storage offers lower weight, higher energy storage and lower costs - as well as faster refueling/recharging.”


    Argonne National Laboratory Expands Research Into Natural Gas Vehicles | TPM Idea Lab



    The k00ks will be heartbroken...........perhaps they will one day get it..........its all about the market.:rock: In the end, all the fantasy stuff gets shitcanned.
     
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    I love Hybrid technology. Boosting a gasoline engine with an electric motor is pure genius. I look forward to the day when I can put a hybrid crate motor into my 2004 Dodge Ram.

    But all electric cars just aren't good enough. And until a Quantum Leap in electric generation and storage occurs, they won't be practical any time soon.

    We do have plenty of Natural Gas though don't we?
     
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    Hybrids are good for city cars.

    All-Electric is stupid.

    Gas vs. natural gas isn't a big deal.
     
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    You notice..........threads like this dont get much traction. Too much.................


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    Gotta be tough on these people..........imagine........its like a little kid finding out Santa is a ruse. Tough to swallow.
     
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    The left will without exception reject any energy solution rooted in fossil fuels, which they have been brainwashed to demonize, reject and ignore regardless of it's effectiveness.

    All that is necessary to make a lie believable is for the teller to control the flow of information...Thankfully, convincing the human race that it's responsible for Global Warming is simply to big a lie to sustain to fruition.

    But that doesn't distract from the fact that the lie has and continues to be a major burden on the economies of the industrialized nations, especially their working classes...With the exception of Red China of course.

    The gullible liberal pawns are at war with reality and common sense, spurred on by a Progressive/Marxist ideology which controls much of the American media and journalism as well as its loyal wealthy allies in Tinseltown.

    The purveyors of Marxism, under the banner of Progressivism, have also infiltrated our universities where they have been and continue to indoctrinate the youth of America since the early 20th century, which came to light in the 1960's revolution.

    These radical, left-wing, anti-capitalist, America haters have also taken control of public as well as private sector unions by buying their support with taxpayer dollars and government favoritism in the form of special policies.

    They also buy the votes of minorities with government benefits and socialist programs and then tell them a racist American capitalist system is responsible for their problems and the Democrat Party is the solution.

    The left lives by the lie which makes the truth its worst enemy!
     
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    I agree natural gas is a good idea, if safely used. I'm still interested in what they'll do with hydrogen (pretty dangerous atm, sadly)

    But regarding the future of electric cars:
    I think you're basing too much of that off the Volt/leafs, while it is a shitty car, its just one brand. All-electric cars are something new, combustion engines were something new once too. Its going to take years and a lot of tweaking for electric cars to be perfected. The combustion engine went through the same phase, and just look how popular it is now.

    The Volt's terribad. FFS, it goes 35 miles on a single charge. My car goes the same distance off a quarter of my gas tank. Plus i've never seen a recharge "pump" ever around where I live, and its a city of 150,000 people (not huge, but you'd think there would be at least one) What I'm saying here is that electric cars practicality is further hindered by Americas present infrastructure. Again, gas powered cars went through the same phase, i.e. relatively few gas stations when the automobile was first unveiled in early America.

    I agree with Mad Scientist about electric cars need a boost in their tech, though I wager if they became increasing profitable you'd be surprised how fast their technology is improved.
     
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    For EV's to be competitive they have to be as efficient as a ICE vehicle. They don't neccessarily need to be the same cost as a regular vehicle but they MUST be at least equal in efficiency.

    They are a long way off from there.
     
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    Electric Cars versus the ICE


    But I decided to double-check the efficiency numbers, and came across the following link:

    Debunking the Myth of EVs and Smokestacks

    Now you know a love a good debunking, so I had a read. It’s a bit dated, but the information was still worthwhile. I ran across Table 4, shown below, which I thought was quite interesting:




    EVs & Power Plants ICE & Fuel Refining


    Processing 39% (Electricity Generation) 92% (Refining)

    Transmission Lines 95% -

    Charging 88% -

    Vehicle Efficiency 88% 15%



    Overall Efficiency 28 14%



    Table 4. Operating Efficiency Comparison Between EVs and ICE Vehicles


    The bottom line is more or less what I expected, but the vehicle efficiency at 88% is higher than I would have guessed. Anyone with experience in that area? If the efficiency is correct (also note Tables 3 and 5), that provides a compelling argument for electric transport. Now we just need to get those darn batteries sorted. (The plug-in Prius is only going to be able to go 7 miles on battery power).

    Well, as usual, ol' Walleyes has it precisely backwards. The ICE is, at best, 14% efficient, the EV, even using the existing grid, 28%. Of course, if one has a grid parrallel solar installation, then the efficiency of the EV is over 70%.

    While the Prius Plug in only gets 7 miles on EV mode, the C-Max Energi, a small Ford SUV, gets 20, and 47/47. That would put it well over the 2025 mandate of 54.5 mpg overall.
     
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    If they were as efficient as the claims made they would be everywhere. The myth is not debunked. It's a simple fact of life that people want efficient transport. EV's aren't there yet. They may get there, and I hope they do. But they're not there yet.
     

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