Virginia Attorney General: Obama Worse Than King George III

[Bill O'Olberman]

Virginia is in sore need of a McDonnell and a Cuccinelli. Mark Warner and Tim Kaine have taxed and spent Virginians to death. "No more taxes" Kaine, at his inaugural ceremony no less, signed a new tax bill. He's way into "tax and spend" and other "social programs."

Warner's now a Senator and Kaine is Chairman of the DNC. Kaine has been grooming for a Presidential run for years ... and I know that because I know Tim and used to work in the same (small) law firm with him. His father-in-law, former Gov. Holton (D-VA and R-VA), has been the guiding force behind his political career. Holton ran for Governor as a Democrat and then ran again as a Republican - Virginia Governors can only serve two consecutive terms so Holton had to sit out until an election where he could run again. Kaine's wife pretty much grew up in the Governor's Mansion.

Actually... a quick lesson in the Commonwealth of Virginia: The governor is unable to serve consecutive terms. When the next election cycle comes around the governor may not run for reelection. However, they are free to run again in the future and have no limit on the number of terms they can serve.

 

[Sallow]

You are obliged to buy insurance for the damage you might cause driving 2 tons of metal at high speed.

That is not the same as being obliged to buy a product you don't want or need for no other reason than to (in theory) reduce the product for someone else.

Let me get this straight, roads, highways and bridges, which are entirely subsizdized by tax payers..has a requirement that you purchase a vehicle from a private corporation, which must be fueled by a product that is also partially funded by taxpayers but sold to you by a private organization and has a requirement that you purchase insurance from a private organization...is somehow "not the same"?

Well you got me there..it's worse.

 

[Bill O'Olberman]

You are obliged to buy insurance for the damage you might cause driving 2 tons of metal at high speed.

That is not the same as being obliged to buy a product you don't want or need for no other reason than to (in theory) reduce the product for someone else.

Let me get this straight, roads, highways and bridges, which are entirely subsizdized by tax payers..has a requirement that you purchase a vehicle from a private corporation, which must be fueled by a product that is also partially funded by taxpayers but sold to you by a private organization and has a requirement that you purchase insurance from a private organization...is somehow "not the same"?

Well you got me there..it's worse.

Its payed for by the tax payer in the form of the gas tax which is essentially a user fee. The more you drive the more you pay in. Also, if I dont want to drive I can choose not to and go without paying for car insurance and all the other associated government fees. However, its seems the main concern with the mandatory health insurance is Im forced to pay by simply because Im alive. I have to choice in the matter.

 

[Sallow]

The car insurance counter is a loser on its face.

Fine.

Argue the musket requirement.

That a "loser" too?

Yeah, pretty much, as (1) the state militia laws are currently non-existent for a reason, (2) in the short time when it was in existence, it applied to only half of the population (assuming male and females were equally split) and, (3) not all states had that requirement.

Actually..no not really.

This was probably the precusor for the second amendment which turned the requirement into a "right" (And this is probably a whole other thread).

What the good Attorney General used in his initial comments..were absolutes. And he didn't qualify any of them. Therefore he's wrong. And it really is very wrong to get into this sort of line of debate. It leaves very little room for discussion.

 

[Si modo]

Fine.

Argue the musket requirement.

That a "loser" too?

Yeah, pretty much, as (1) the state militia laws are currently non-existent for a reason, (2) in the short time when it was in existence, it applied to only half of the population (assuming male and females were equally split) and, (3) not all states had that requirement.

Actually..no not really.

This was probably the precusor for the second amendment which turned the requirement into a "right" (And this is probably a whole other thread).

What the good Attorney General used in his initial comments..were absolutes. And he didn't qualify any of them. Therefore he's wrong. And it really is very wrong to get into this sort of line of debate. It leaves very little room for discussion.

Well, other than some of the differences I mentioned, they are the same.

And, it appears that the OP of the thread has a pretty good idea what s/he wishes to discuss. If it doesn't fit your particular discussion agenda, you can start another thread.

 

[Two Thumbs]

The counter of having to buy car insurance is utter non-sense.

Your state requires you to buy insurance and they also dictate how much you must have. But you can vote that out if you choose to. But you only have to have auto insurance if you have an auto of some kind.

The Fed forcing us to not only buy health insurance, but enough insurance is dictatorship and over steps state rights.

If you want free health ins, then get it in your state. Don't force me to take care of you. I do enough of that through welfare, medicare and other crap.

 

[Sallow]

You are obliged to buy insurance for the damage you might cause driving 2 tons of metal at high speed.

That is not the same as being obliged to buy a product you don't want or need for no other reason than to (in theory) reduce the product for someone else.

Let me get this straight, roads, highways and bridges, which are entirely subsizdized by tax payers..has a requirement that you purchase a vehicle from a private corporation, which must be fueled by a product that is also partially funded by taxpayers but sold to you by a private organization and has a requirement that you purchase insurance from a private organization...is somehow "not the same"?

Well you got me there..it's worse.

Its payed for by the tax payer in the form of the gas tax which is essentially a user fee. The more you drive the more you pay in. Also, if I dont want to drive I can choose not to and go without paying for car insurance and all the other associated government fees. However, its seems the main concern with the mandatory health insurance is Im forced to pay by simply because Im alive. I have to choice in the matter.

Crudely speaking..the gas tax is basically for maintenance of roads. Although there are several revenue streams for that. Initial cost of construction doesn't come from a "gas tax".

And if you factor in the cost of maintaining a military presence (as well as "bribes" to countries in that region) close to nations producing oil..and you've got a wealth of "forced" funding of our transportation industry. No..you don't have a choice.

 

[del]

Cuccinelli said Monday that at no other time in American history had a government forced citizens to purchase a product and gotten away with it Rest here>>>
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That's un-true.

Most male citizens of the American Colonies were required by law to own arms and ammunition for militia duty.[2] The Long Land Pattern was a common firearm in use by both sides in the American Revolutionary War.[3]

Brown Bess - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

hey, genius. what part of *american colonies* eludes you?

 

[Sallow]

"He's a Socialist"

"He's a communist"

"He's pal's around with terrorist"

"He's not a citizen"

"He's not like us"

"He's like King Geroge?" Hahahahahahaha

Rally cries from the party of no.

Well it shuts down debate..and really makes meaningful compromise impossible.

You've only got a couple of choices here..go defensive or repond in kind.

That doesn't help anything.

 

[del]

Is it impossible for the leftwingers on this board to simply address the substance of what someone has said? Why do you always find it necessary to demonize the individuals rather than deal with the issues? Sheesh.. get beyond grade school please.

What he said was un-true. There are more examples beside. Americans are required to have insurance for cars. They are required to get licenses to start businesses.

And it's not like this guy is coming with critique that can be argued without engaging in angry hyperbole.

What he could have done was explain, why, in order to combat an out of control inefficient health care system, Obama taking up what essentially was a Republican plan..was bad.

Because most on the left wanted single payer..or Medicare for all.

americans can choose not to drive a car.

americans can choose not to start a business.

americans can no longer choose not to buy health insurance.

damn, could you be any easier?

 

[del]

What he said was un-true. There are more examples beside. Americans are required to have insurance for cars. They are required to get licenses to start businesses.

And it's not like this guy is coming with critique that can be argued without engaging in angry hyperbole.

What he could have done was explain, why, in order to combat an out of control inefficient health care system, Obama taking up what essentially was a Republican plan..was bad.

Because most on the left wanted single payer..or Medicare for all.

The car insurance counter is a loser on its face.

Fine.

Argue the musket requirement.

That a "loser" too?

even more so, but thanks for working king george III into the conversation.

 

[Sallow]

Cuccinelli said Monday that at no other time in American history had a government forced citizens to purchase a product and gotten away with it Rest here>>>
[/INDENT]

That's un-true.

Most male citizens of the American Colonies were required by law to own arms and ammunition for militia duty.[2] The Long Land Pattern was a common firearm in use by both sides in the American Revolutionary War.[3]

Brown Bess - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

hey, genius. what part of *american colonies* eludes you?

So? The colonies were less American?

And this law was around after the Revolution as well. The Continetal Army was disbanded for a short time.

 

[del]

You are obliged to buy insurance for the damage you might cause driving 2 tons of metal at high speed.

That is not the same as being obliged to buy a product you don't want or need for no other reason than to (in theory) reduce the product for someone else.

Let me get this straight, roads, highways and bridges, which are entirely subsizdized by tax payers..has a requirement that you purchase a vehicle from a private corporation, which must be fueled by a product that is also partially funded by taxpayers but sold to you by a private organization and has a requirement that you purchase insurance from a private organization...is somehow "not the same"?

Well you got me there..it's worse.

are you this stupid in real life?

what part of *choice* don't you get?

 

[Sallow]

Is it impossible for the leftwingers on this board to simply address the substance of what someone has said? Why do you always find it necessary to demonize the individuals rather than deal with the issues? Sheesh.. get beyond grade school please.

What he said was un-true. There are more examples beside. Americans are required to have insurance for cars. They are required to get licenses to start businesses.

And it's not like this guy is coming with critique that can be argued without engaging in angry hyperbole.

What he could have done was explain, why, in order to combat an out of control inefficient health care system, Obama taking up what essentially was a Republican plan..was bad.

Because most on the left wanted single payer..or Medicare for all.

americans can choose not to drive a car.

americans can choose not to start a business.

americans can no longer choose not to buy health insurance.

damn, could you be any easier?

American citizens can't choose not to build roads.

American citizens can't choose to defund grants to big oil companies.

American citizens can't choose to defund military bases around oil producers.

American citizens can't defund Research and Development grants to Auto makers.

American citizens can't choose to defund "bribes" to countries like Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen.

 

[del]

That's un-true.


Brown Bess - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

hey, genius. what part of *american colonies* eludes you?

So? The colonies were less American?

And this law was around after the Revolution as well. The Continetal Army was disbanded for a short time.

the colonies were british by definition, idiot.

Colony - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

jesus, did you attend elementary school?

 

[Sallow]

You are obliged to buy insurance for the damage you might cause driving 2 tons of metal at high speed.

That is not the same as being obliged to buy a product you don't want or need for no other reason than to (in theory) reduce the product for someone else.

Let me get this straight, roads, highways and bridges, which are entirely subsizdized by tax payers..has a requirement that you purchase a vehicle from a private corporation, which must be fueled by a product that is also partially funded by taxpayers but sold to you by a private organization and has a requirement that you purchase insurance from a private organization...is somehow "not the same"?

Well you got me there..it's worse.

are you this stupid in real life?

what part of *choice* don't you get?

You might want to argue the points.

You know..those pesky little things that are refuting the orginal argument?

Or you can just call me stupid and declare victory.

It's all good.

 

[Sallow]

hey, genius. what part of *american colonies* eludes you?

So? The colonies were less American?

And this law was around after the Revolution as well. The Continetal Army was disbanded for a short time.

the colonies were british by definition, idiot.

Colony - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

jesus, did you attend elementary school?

The law was around after the Revolution was over..

And by definition..once these guys started the revolt..they were no longer "British". That's sort of what happens in Rebellions. And that's why they sent over troops.

 

[del]

What he said was un-true. There are more examples beside. Americans are required to have insurance for cars. They are required to get licenses to start businesses.

And it's not like this guy is coming with critique that can be argued without engaging in angry hyperbole.

What he could have done was explain, why, in order to combat an out of control inefficient health care system, Obama taking up what essentially was a Republican plan..was bad.

Because most on the left wanted single payer..or Medicare for all.

americans can choose not to drive a car.

americans can choose not to start a business.

americans can no longer choose not to buy health insurance.

damn, could you be any easier?

American citizens can't choose not to build roads.

American citizens can't choose to defund grants to big oil companies.

American citizens can't choose to defund military bases around oil producers.

American citizens can't defund Research and Development grants to Auto makers.

American citizens can't choose to defund "bribes" to countries like Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen.

americans can choose to elect representatives who could accomplish all those things if they wish. it would be extremely stupid and short sighted in some cases, but that doesn't mean that they can't.

fail.

 

[del]

Let me get this straight, roads, highways and bridges, which are entirely subsizdized by tax payers..has a requirement that you purchase a vehicle from a private corporation, which must be fueled by a product that is also partially funded by taxpayers but sold to you by a private organization and has a requirement that you purchase insurance from a private organization...is somehow "not the same"?

Well you got me there..it's worse.

are you this stupid in real life?

what part of *choice* don't you get?

You might want to argue the points.

You know..those pesky little things that are refuting the orginal argument?

Or you can just call me stupid and declare victory.

It's all good.

i've demonstrated that you're wrong. your inability to admit that doesn't change it. sorry.

 

[Vel]

What he said was un-true. There are more examples beside. Americans are required to have insurance for cars. They are required to get licenses to start businesses.

And it's not like this guy is coming with critique that can be argued without engaging in angry hyperbole.

What he could have done was explain, why, in order to combat an out of control inefficient health care system, Obama taking up what essentially was a Republican plan..was bad.

Because most on the left wanted single payer..or Medicare for all.

americans can choose not to drive a car.

americans can choose not to start a business.

americans can no longer choose not to buy health insurance.

damn, could you be any easier?

American citizens can't choose not to build roads.

American citizens can't choose to defund grants to big oil companies.

American citizens can't choose to defund military bases around oil producers.

American citizens can't defund Research and Development grants to Auto makers.

American citizens can't choose to defund "bribes" to countries like Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen.

They can CHOOSE to elect people to defund all of those things. They can also CHOOSE to keep their income at poverty levels and avoid paying ANY federal tax and thereby defund those things. There is NO correlation between any of those things and having to buy a certain amount of insurance simply because you're alive. You can't be this dense.