Using the 5 whys to understand GWB and BHO performance

[Missourian]

Both of them will join the ranks of President Arthur, President Fillmore and President Tyler.

 

[healthmyths]

Both of them will join the ranks of President Arthur, President Fillmore and President Tyler.

"Both"?
I've given you documented, FACTS that occurred from 2001 to 2008 but you disagree those events happened?
Are you telling me that dot.com/911/worst hurricanes and economic terrorist attack on9/18/08 NEVER occurred?
Are you telling me that OTHER Presidents had to face all those world shaking events in their administration all the while the MSM was as this NewsWeek editor
said:Well, our job is to bash the president, that's what we do." --
Evan Thomas responding to a question on whether the media's unfair to Bush on the TV talk show Inside Washington,
February 2, 2007.Newsweek's Evan Thomas: 'Our Job Is To Bash the President' | NewsBusters

AND then YOU have the utmost stupidity to criticize Bush while obviously totally ignoring what these traitors (and YOU obviously agree with), said about OUR MILITARY???

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid(D) "The war is lost, the surge is not accomplishing anything "

U.S. Rep. John Murtha(D) "Our troops killed innocent civilians in cold blood,”

Senator Kerry (D) "American soldiers going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children."

Durbin (D) "must have been done by Nazis, Soviets"--action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners.
Senator Obama said "troops are air-raiding villages and killing civilians,"


I don't think idiots like you will understand this but what these traitors said above is akin to a guy dressed up in home team colors, sitting on the home team side,
AND CHEERING FOR THE OTHER SIDE.. criticizing his OWN team's players, calling them cheats, terrorists, baby killers...! And you thought that was ok for the above
to say while OUR TROOPS WERE BEING KILLED for keeping an agreement that was SIGNED BY THE USA in 1991 called the CEASE FIRE!?

YOU encouraged as the above traitors the terrorists to kill more of our troops by encouraging these traitors' comments!

Disgusting!

 

[NYcarbineer]

The United States had no vital national interest in attacking Iraq in 1991 or 2003.

Anyone who thinks we did, be specific.

 

[velvtacheeze]

lets see now.

barry got OBL because of intel from Bush's admin, intel that he cancelled
more people on foodstamps than ever before
more people below the poverty level than ever before
fewer people working than when he took office
took 9T in debt and raised it to 17T in 4 years
unemployment at record highs for 4+ years
invested billions in failed clean energy companies
loaned US money to Brazil to develop oil sources to SELL to us
allowed 4 americans to die in Benghazi to protect his campaign
lied about not having lobbyists in his admin
lied about closing gitmo
lied about cutting the debt in half in his first term
"corpseman"
"57 states"
Al qaeda killed 4 and maimed hundreds in boston
no one arrested for Benghazi attack
GAVE F-16s and tanks to the muslim brotherhood in Egypt


I could go on with barry's wonderful accomplishments but I might vomit on my keyboard

Wow, quite a list of ineffective talking points you wrote there. What a waste of time. I learned nothing new, and wasn't convinced that Mitten or McCain would have been a better President. Neither were most Americans, thank goodness.

You conservatives have only yourselves to blame for Obama's victories. Bush was so bad that I believe his record will be used in the 2016 election again, and with success.

and yea, Benghazi Obama was so good he lost the house in 2010..Lmao....

See what happens when 40 million fewer Americans show up to vote? The grey hairs and blue hairs that still watch the Lawrence Welk Show get their way, that's what. And America was so horrified by the freak show of GOP lunatics and crazies that Obama cakewalked it back to the White House, and two GOP Senate candidates in IN and MO lost after the voters there learned how truly wackadoodledoo those candidates were.

Again, learn from your mistakes by moderating your views. Conservatives have nothing to blame but conservatism for their losses in 2008 & 2012.

 

[asterism]

I guess you missed the no child and medicare D part
that 150 billion is 50% GOP
no-one (politician) owns any of the 08 crash, it was a free market event filled with fraud
what part did I re write?

I guess you missed the part where Bush's wars were put on the credit card.

I guess you missed the part where AQ in fact had no link to Iraq, and the part where that wasn't even the Bush admin's reasoning for invading Iraq.

Try as you might, you're not going to succeed at rewriting history. Americans remember who got us into this mess.

Al Qaeda was in Iraq before the US invasion.

Terror Base Released in a general amnesty in 1999, al-Zarqawi returns to Afghanistan and the jihad. He meets Osama bin Laden in 2000 but doesn�t join al-Qaeda. He runs a terrorist-training camp in western Afghanistan.

New Frontier After the fall of the Taliban, al-Zarqawi slips out through Iran to northern Iraq, linking up with local terrorism groups. He achieves global notoriety when Colin Powell names him in his February 2003 U.N. speech laying out the U.S.�s case for invading Iraq.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1189457,00.html

 

[JakeStarkey]

Why did we invade Iraq? Simple Saddam why? he refused to adhere to the UN resolutions that after 9-11 was no longer an option.

Answer: horseshit analysis by dummies.

Truth: the USA had no legal warrant to enforce the UN resolutions

 

[asterism]

Why did we invade Iraq? Simple Saddam why? he refused to adhere to the UN resolutions that after 9-11 was no longer an option.

Answer: horseshit analysis by dummies.

Truth: the USA had no legal warrant to enforce the UN resolutions

The UN resolutions were merely the terms that detailed a cease-fire agreement. That cease-fire was broken by Saddam which resumed the war. The UN has no authority one way or another.

 

[NYcarbineer]

If you cannot demonstrate a vital national interest in going to war,

then your war is unnecessary, and thus unjustified.

 

[healthmyths]

The United States had no vital national interest in attacking Iraq in 1991 or 2003.

Anyone who thinks we did, be specific.

IS THIS SPECIFIC ENOUGH FOR YOU?
The USA is a permanent member of UN BECAUSE IT IS IN OUR NATIONAL VITAL INTEREST!
and therefore REQUIRED to participate in UN resolutions.

1991...
On 2 August 1990 at 2:00 am,[23] local time, Iraq launched an invasion of Kuwait with four elite Iraqi Republican Guard divisions (1st Hammurabi Armoured Division, 2nd al-Medinah al-Munawera Armoured Division, 3rd Tawalkalna ala-Allah Mechanized Infantry Division and 4th Nebuchadnezzar Motorized Infantry Division) and Iraqi Army special forces units equivalent to a full division. The main thrust was conducted by the commandos deployed by helicopters and boats to attack Kuwait City (see The Battle of Dasman Palace), while the other divisions seized the airports and two airbases.

During the 7 month-long Iraqi occupation, the forces of Saddam Hussein looted Kuwait's vast wealth and there were also reports of violations of human rights.[33] According to some[who?] independent organizations, about 600 Kuwaiti nationals were taken to Iraq and haven't yet been accounted for.[34] A 2005 study revealed that the Iraqi occupation had a long-term adverse impact on the health of the Kuwaiti populace.[35]

On 3 August 1990, the UN Security Council passed Resolution 660 condemning the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait and demanding that Iraq unconditionally withdraw all forces deployed in Kuwait.[39]
After a series of failed negotiations between major world powers and Iraq, the United States-led coalition forces launched a massive military assault on Iraq and Iraqi forces stationed in Kuwait in mid January 1991. By January 16, Allied aircraft were targeting several Iraqi military sites and the Iraqi Air Force was destroyed.[40] Hostilities continued until late February and on February 25, Kuwait was officially liberated from Iraq.[41] On 15 March 1991, the Emir of Kuwait returned to the country after spending more than 8 months in exile.[42] During the Iraqi occupation, about 1,000 Kuwaiti civilians were killed and more than 300,000 residents fled the country.[43]
Invasion of Kuwait - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1991 CEASE FIRE!!!

Adopted by the Security Council at its 2981st meeting, on 3 April 1991 The Security Council,

Recalling its resolutions 660 (1990) of 2 August 1990, 661 (1990) of 6 August 1990, 662 (1990) of 9 August 1990, 664 (1990) of 18 August 1990, 665 (1990) of 25 August 1990, 666 (1990) of 13 September 1990, 667 (1990) of 16 September 1990, 669 (1990) of 24 September 1990, 670 (1990) of 25 September 1990, 674 (1990) of 29 October 1990, 677 (1990) of 28 November 1990, 678 (1990) of 29 November 1990 and 686 (1991) of 2 March 1991,

Welcoming the restoration to Kuwait of its sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity and the return of its legitimate Government,
7. Invites Iraq to reaffirm unconditionally its obligations under the Geneva Protocol for the Prohibition of the Use in War of Asphyxiating, Poisonous or Other Gases, and of Bacteriological Methods of Warfare, signed at Geneva on 17 June 1925, and to ratify the Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production and Stockpiling of Bacteriological (Biological) and Toxin Weapons and on Their Destruction, of 10 April 1972;
8. Decides that Iraq shall unconditionally accept the destruction, removal, or rendering harmless, under international supervision, of:
(a) All chemical and biological weapons and all stocks of agents and all related subsystems and components and all research, development, support and manufacturing facilities;
(b) All ballistic missiles with a range greater than 150 kilometres and related major parts, and repair and production facilities;
9. Decides, for the implementation of paragraph 8 above, the following:
(a) Iraq shall submit to the Secretary-General, within fifteen days of the adoption of the present resolution, a declaration of the locations, amounts and types of all items specified in paragraph 8 and agree to urgent, on-site inspection as specified below;
(b) The Secretary-General, in consultation with the appropriate Governments and, where appropriate, with the Director-General of the World Health Organization, within forty-five days of the passage of the present resolution, shall develop, and submit to the Council for approval, a plan calling for the completion of the following acts within forty-five days of such approval:
(i) The forming of a Special Commission, which shall carry out immediate on-site inspection of Iraq's biological, chemical and missile capabilities, based on Iraq's declarations and the designation of any additional locations by the Special Commission itself;
(ii) The yielding by Iraq of possession to the Special Commission for destruction, removal or rendering harmless, taking into account the requirements of public safety, of all items specified under paragraph 8 (a) above, including items at the additional locations designated by the Special Commission under paragraph 9 (b) (i) above and the destruction by Iraq, under the supervision of the Special Commission, of all its missile capabilities, including launchers, as specified under paragraph 8 (b) above;
(iii) The provision by the Special Commission of the assistance and cooperation to the Director-General of the International Atomic Energy Agency required in paragraphs 12 and 13 below;

[107th Congress Public Law 243]
[From the U.S. Government Printing Office]


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AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE AGAINST IRAQ RESOLUTION OF 2002

[[Page 116 STAT. 1498]]

Public Law 107-243
107th Congress

Joint Resolution



To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against
Iraq. <<NOTE: Oct. 16, 2002 - [H.J. Res. 114]>>

Whereas in 1990 in response to Iraq's war of aggression against and
illegal occupation of Kuwait, the United States forged a coalition
of nations to liberate Kuwait and its people in order to defend the
national security of the United States and enforce United Nations
Security Council resolutions relating to Iraq;

Whereas after the liberation of Kuwait in 1991...

(see more at link below)

Approved October 16, 2002.

LEGISLATIVE HISTORY--H.J. Res. 114 (S.J. Res. 45) (S.J. Res. 46):
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HOUSE REPORTS: No. 107-721 (Comm. on International Relations).
CONGRESSIONAL RECORD, Vol. 148 (2002):
Oct. 8, 9, considered in House.
Oct. 10, considered and passed House and Senate.
WEEKLY COMPILATION OF PRESIDENTIAL DOCUMENTS, Vol. 38 (2002):
Oct. 16, Presidential remarks and statement.
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-107publ243/html/PLAW-107publ243.htm

 

[NYcarbineer]

The United States had no vital national interest in attacking Iraq in 1991 or 2003.

Anyone who thinks we did, be specific.

IS THIS SPECIFIC ENOUGH FOR YOU?

Being in the UN is our vital national interest? lol, what the fuck?!

The question is,

what was our vital national interest in attacking Iraq after Iraq and Kuwait went to war.

What made starting a war with Iraq necessary in terms of our VITAL INTERESTS?

 

[asterism]

If you cannot demonstrate a vital national interest in going to war,

then your war is unnecessary, and thus unjustified.

 

[NYcarbineer]

A guy starts a hundred threads on a topic and still can't put together a coherent thought.

That is sad.

The war between Iraq and Kuwait was no more our business than the previous war between Iraq and Iran,

or, for that matter, for the dozens of wars that have been fought, for example, in Africa, for the last half century...

...for the most part we've stayed out of them, without suffering any blows to our so-called vital interests,

and thus should we stay out of whatever quarrels the Arabs and anyone else in the Middle East want to engage in.

 

[Wyatt earp]

A guy starts a hundred threads on a topic and still can't put together a coherent thought.

That is sad.

The war between Iraq and Kuwait was no more our business than the previous war between Iraq and Iran,

or, for that matter, for the dozens of wars that have been fought, for example, in Africa, for the last half century...

...for the most part we've stayed out of them, without suffering any blows to our so-called vital interests,

and thus should we stay out of whatever quarrels the Arabs and anyone else in the Middle East want to engage in.

Bullshit. Bush's war on terror and Obama keeping the same policy is working wonders, like when we ran out of places to bomb in Afghanistin. the best deffense is a great offense.

 

[rdean]

I guess you missed the no child and medicare D part
that 150 billion is 50% GOP
no-one (politician) owns any of the 08 crash, it was a free market event filled with fraud
what part did I re write?

I guess you missed the part where Bush's wars were put on the credit card.

I guess you missed the part where AQ in fact had no link to Iraq, and the part where that wasn't even the Bush admin's reasoning for invading Iraq.

Try as you might, you're not going to succeed at rewriting history. Americans remember who got us into this mess.

Democrats in congress authorized and funded the Iraq fiasco. They continue to fund the waste of lives and money in Afghanistan.

I know you libs want to revise history to make it all Bush's fault, but you are wrong, both parties are to blame.

until this partisan bullshit stops, nothing positive will ever get done in DC.

Why do you continue to say that? Who knew our president would like us into a war?



Look at him. First one way and then the other. How many Americans going into Iraq thought it was payback for 9/11? Be honest for once.

 

[Synthaholic]

5 Whys - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Why did we invade Iraq?
Simple
Saddam
why?
he refused to adhere to the UN resolutions that after 9-11 was no longer an option. Also Al Qaeda was setting up camp there in 2002
Why did we invade Afghanistan?
9-11
without these events we still have no understanding of how many lives would have been lost
Saddam we know killed 100s of thousands before we invaded.
UBL had killed 1000s before we invaded Afghan
How many die if no action is take? based on there past probably as many or more than us invading
use the 5 whys

Why is our deficits so large?
The dem senate and GOP house with GWB added no child left behind and Medicare D without funding them. About 200 billion
based on the 2007 budget this still allows for a balanced budget in times as we had sense 1994 with a GOP senate (5% UE, no wars)

No real jobs sense 2008 has added another 3-400 billion, (BHO failed policies sense 2010, wall street greed from 08-2010)
The other 800 billion?
Afghan added 150

The rest?
BHO and the dems added 500 billion in 09. That has grown to 700 in 2011 and now is back to 500 in 2012
(Iraq war ending) no budgets sense Omnibus

It is really that simple
expanded oil and gas extraction
continue the GWB tax rate
Allow CLEAN coal to be mined and used
use Tarp as it was intended
eliminate the failed stimulus
have a REAL budget each year sense Omnibus?

Where probably close to 2007 levels or even better (the last GOP budget with 5% UE. REAL jobs)

what does Obama-care add (or added) is still to be seen

It is that simple

You know what's simple? The mind of the average conservative. Their ability to rewrite history so the GOP and GWB come out blameless is unreal. If things were going so smoothly under the GOP's unified rule, then why did they lose it in the 2006 elections?

I guess you missed the no child and medicare D part
that 150 billion is 50% GOP
no-one (politician) owns any of the 08 crash, it was a free market event filled with fraud
what part did I re write?

There was no Democratic Senate for those two items.


FAIL.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Why did we invade Iraq? Simple Saddam why? he refused to adhere to the UN resolutions that after 9-11 was no longer an option.

Answer: horseshit analysis by dummies.

Truth: the USA had no legal warrant to enforce the UN resolutions

The UN resolutions were merely the terms that detailed a cease-fire agreement. That cease-fire was broken by Saddam which resumed the war. The UN has no authority one way or another.

False argument that will not stand up in the World Court when the Bushies are, if, tried. The UN decides if the terms are broken, not the US.

What do you think General Powell was trying to get the UN to do: give us a resolution and it said, "US neo-con warmongers, take a hike. Not on our dime."

 

[JakeStarkey]

Why did we invade Iraq? Simple Saddam why? he refused to adhere to the UN resolutions that after 9-11 was no longer an option.

Answer: horseshit analysis by dummies.

Truth: the USA had no legal warrant to enforce the UN resolutions

The UN resolutions were merely the terms that detailed a cease-fire agreement. That cease-fire was broken by Saddam which resumed the war. The UN has no authority one way or another.

We had no authority to use UN resolutions as warrant for war: that meets war crimes standards for charges.

 

[hazlnut]

5 Whys - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Why did we invade Iraq?
Simple
Saddam
why?
he refused to adhere to the UN resolutions that after 9-11 was no longer an option. Also Al Qaeda was setting up camp there in 2002
Why did we invade Afghanistan?
9-11
without these events we still have no understanding of how many lives would have been lost
Saddam we know killed 100s of thousands before we invaded.
UBL had killed 1000s before we invaded Afghan
How many die if no action is take? based on there past probably as many or more than us invading
use the 5 whys

Why is our deficits so large?
The dem senate and GOP house with GWB added no child left behind and Medicare D without funding them. About 200 billion
based on the 2007 budget this still allows for a balanced budget in times as we had sense 1994 with a GOP senate (5% UE, no wars)

No real jobs sense 2008 has added another 3-400 billion, (BHO failed policies sense 2010, wall street greed from 08-2010)
The other 800 billion?
Afghan added 150

The rest?
BHO and the dems added 500 billion in 09. That has grown to 700 in 2011 and now is back to 500 in 2012
(Iraq war ending) no budgets sense Omnibus

It is really that simple
expanded oil and gas extraction
continue the GWB tax rate
Allow CLEAN coal to be mined and used
use Tarp as it was intended
eliminate the failed stimulus
have a REAL budget each year sense Omnibus?

Where probably close to 2007 levels or even better (the last GOP budget with 5% UE. REAL jobs)

what does Obama-care add (or added) is still to be seen

It is that simple

 

[asterism]

A guy starts a hundred threads on a topic and still can't put together a coherent thought.

That is sad.

The war between Iraq and Kuwait was no more our business than the previous war between Iraq and Iran,

or, for that matter, for the dozens of wars that have been fought, for example, in Africa, for the last half century...

...for the most part we've stayed out of them, without suffering any blows to our so-called vital interests,

and thus should we stay out of whatever quarrels the Arabs and anyone else in the Middle East want to engage in.

By that logic invading France because Japan attacked us was pretty stupid.

 

[asterism]

Answer: horseshit analysis by dummies.

Truth: the USA had no legal warrant to enforce the UN resolutions

The UN resolutions were merely the terms that detailed a cease-fire agreement. That cease-fire was broken by Saddam which resumed the war. The UN has no authority one way or another.

False argument that will not stand up in the World Court when the Bushies are, if, tried. The UN decides if the terms are broken, not the US.

What do you think General Powell was trying to get the UN to do: give us a resolution and it said, "US neo-con warmongers, take a hike. Not on our dime."

It's easier to do something with the UN backing us, but it's not necessary. Bush was right when he said that the UN needs to act or it will be irrelevant. After Saddam fell the Oil For Food scheme was exposed for the corrupt enterprise it was. The UN is a fraud which is why it is not taken seriously, even by this Administration.