USA backing Islamic uprising?

[Douger]

They must have something underground that The Empires owners want to get their hands on.
That's the Satanic to English translation for " take them freedom and democracy"

 

[mdn2000]

We are NOT backing an uprising by the Islamic Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. We can't do that. It'd be crazy of us.

I mean, if the radical Muslims take Egype the way they took Iran from Carter, then Israel would be flanked to the North, East, South. Just like the Six Day War that the Muslims started, Israel finished, and was the root of current hatred of Israel.

For us to back an uprising of radicals in Egypt would require us to have some kind of crazy president with not only sympathy to radical Muslims and a desire to see the power of Israel severely weakened, but also to even have a wish for Jews worldwide to be harmed. And we do NOT have a president like that. If we did have a president like that, or even a candidate, we'd have seen something suspicious about him during his candidacy that would've shown his feelings towards Israel and the USA. He'd have attended some crazy church where preachers spread anti-Israeli sentiment, and yell stuff like "God Damn America", and rant about Zionism and stuff like that. And that hypothetical president would've had some sort of Muslim upbringing, not here, probably in Malaysia, Indonesia, something like that. He may have even been found to align himself or surround himself with radicals from college age and up, far left wingers, and he'd probably also show great leniancy in or hesitancy to crack down on Muslim extremists or shape it in a way that least offends them.

So calm down folks. Our current president shows none of those tendencies or past traits. So theres no way our president will support a radical Muslim uprising in Egypt.

I'm sorry, where are you getting the idea that this is a "radical Muslim uprising?" While I know the Muslim Brotherhood is playing a part, I've seen nothing from any news source to indicate that they are a primary player. There are numerous groups and individuals involved and the general tone I'm reading is definitely not calling for an Islamic revolution or theocracy.

The Muslim Brotherhood is playing a part, the "part" they "play" will not be with props from broadway but with terror, death, and destruction, being that extremists are now pouring into non-exsistent borders and have proven themselves across the world of extreme terrorism is much to be concerned about and is poorly described as "playing a part".

How is it that you can describe death and murder by an organization of terror as "playing a part".

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

http://www.andrewbostom.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/BOSTOM.mp3

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com
Woman #1 sets the stage for Woman #2:

“All the people hate him. He’s supporting Israel! Israel is our enemy. We don’t like him…Israel and America supported him. We hate them all!”
Woman #1 then explains that they will accomplish the removal of Mubarak by “revolution.”

Then the guy that follows them takes it up a notch by explaining that when the people in Egypt are finally free they will be able to “destroy Israel.”

I'm definitely not surprised the Leftists over at CNN are siding with and trying to legitimize The Muslim Brotherhood. They're even calling them the"Good Guys" now. Leftists have a very bad habit of siding with radical Muslims. I'm not sure why they do this. I did read David Horowitz's 'Unholy Alliance' and do have a better understanding of why Leftists side with radical Islam but it's still somewhat bizarre. A lot of their support for radical Islam stems from their irrational hatred of Christians. The Muslim Brotherhood seizing control of Egypt will prove to be much worse than Mubarak. The Lefties over at CNN & BBC should stop shilling for them. It really is misguided and in poor taste.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

An International Dialogue in Egypt

September 25, 2011 to September 30, 2011

Our fall 2011 International Dialogue will be located in Egypt where we will meet with labor and community organizers and other activists in Cairo. There are exciting changes and developments that are currently taking place in Egypt with elections coming soon to determine leadership transitions in what has been an autocratic regime, now challenged by the Muslim Brotherhood and succession and democracy issues. The trip is still in the planning stages, and we will post updates as soon as we have them.

We plan to travel with approximately 15-20 participants, and we will strive to have a mix of both community and labor organizers/leaders from a variety of community organizations and unions. We look for participants to meet in Cairo, pay their own travel and visa costs in addition to a program fee. The Organizers Forum will pay for food, lodging, and ground transportation. And, yes, though we are only planning to spend time in one city on this dialogue, we will see the Pyramids!

Organizer's Forum: People

Wade Rathke
Drummond Pike

"Camp Ruckus" by Ben Winters

I have been to the revolution, and I have good news: It tastes fantastic. To clarify: I have been to "action camp," a week-long holiday for the dissenting set, sponsored by the Ruckus Society, those modern masters of nonviolent civil disobedience noted lately for their prominent role in the protests against the WTO in Seattle, the IMF in D.C. and at the party conventions last summer. Three or four times a year Ruckus picks a fairly isolated locale, stakes some tents and digs in for a week's worth of training/community building. In mid-March, I journeyed to Peace River campground in Arcadia, Florida, to join Ruckus and invited guests--88 activists, mostly of college age, 55 logistical and training staff, plus the delegation from camp co-sponsor Rainforest Action Network (RAN)--for the latest throwdown.

Organizer's Forum: Articles

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

An International Dialogue in Egypt

September 25, 2011 to September 30, 2011

Our fall 2011 International Dialogue will be located in Egypt where we will meet with labor and community organizers and other activists in Cairo. There are exciting changes and developments that are currently taking place in Egypt with elections coming soon to determine leadership transitions in what has been an autocratic regime, now challenged by the Muslim Brotherhood and succession and democracy issues. The trip is still in the planning stages, and we will post updates as soon as we have them.

We plan to travel with approximately 15-20 participants, and we will strive to have a mix of both community and labor organizers/leaders from a variety of community organizations and unions. We look for participants to meet in Cairo, pay their own travel and visa costs in addition to a program fee. The Organizers Forum will pay for food, lodging, and ground transportation. And, yes, though we are only planning to spend time in one city on this dialogue, we will see the Pyramids!

Organizer's Forum: People

Wade Rathke
Drummond Pike

"Camp Ruckus" by Ben Winters

I have been to the revolution, and I have good news: It tastes fantastic. To clarify: I have been to "action camp," a week-long holiday for the dissenting set, sponsored by the Ruckus Society, those modern masters of nonviolent civil disobedience noted lately for their prominent role in the protests against the WTO in Seattle, the IMF in D.C. and at the party conventions last summer. Three or four times a year Ruckus picks a fairly isolated locale, stakes some tents and digs in for a week's worth of training/community building. In mid-March, I journeyed to Peace River campground in Arcadia, Florida, to join Ruckus and invited guests--88 activists, mostly of college age, 55 logistical and training staff, plus the delegation from camp co-sponsor Rainforest Action Network (RAN)--for the latest throwdown.

Organizer's Forum: Articles

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

I guess they will be celebrating instead of fomenting revolution.

 

[Kalam]

The protests are not Islamic in nature and neither the Ikhwan nor any other so-called "Islamist" or religious organization is the impetus behind the current unrest, though they and various al-Azhar 'ulema are among the protesters. For their part, the Ikhwan have cast their lot with El Baradei who is decidedly secular.

And with that I'm getting back to work.

So we should just ignore the Muslim Brotherhood?


Yeah right....

No, feel free to cower over a neutered opposition party with waning influence and little relevance to the current situation in Egypt.

 

[Kalam]

extremists are now pouring into non-exsistent borders

[citation needed]

 

[LibocalypseNow]

The protests are not Islamic in nature and neither the Ikhwan nor any other so-called "Islamist" or religious organization is the impetus behind the current unrest, though they and various al-Azhar 'ulema are among the protesters. For their part, the Ikhwan have cast their lot with El Baradei who is decidedly secular.

And with that I'm getting back to work.

So we should just ignore the Muslim Brotherhood?


Yeah right....

No, feel free to cower over a neutered opposition party with waning influence and little relevance to the current situation in Egypt.

You sure about that? That's exactly what they said about Iran right before the Mullah Nazis took over in that country. The Muslim Brotherhood isn't neutered anymore. Bet on that.

 

[Kalam]

The Muslim Brotherhood seizing control of Egypt

What makes you think that this will happen?

 

[Kalam]

So we should just ignore the Muslim Brotherhood?


Yeah right....

No, feel free to cower over a neutered opposition party with waning influence and little relevance to the current situation in Egypt.

You sure about that?

Quite.

That's exactly what they said about Iran right before the Mullah Nazis took over in that country.

And the situation was entirely different. The so-called Islamic Revolution in Iran succeeded because the movement had an effective and popular leader in Khomeini. The closest thing to a figurehead that Egyptian protestors have is El Baradei who isn't part of any revolutionary religious movement, isn't calling for a fundamental restructuring of Egyptian society, and doesn't have a following nearly as dedicated as Khomeini's. The situation in Egypt isn't going to devolve into any sort of bloody revolution.

The Muslim Brotherhood isn't neutered anymore. Bet on that.

Have any reliable information that you want to substantiate that claim with?

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

The Brotherhood are the good guys now.

ELBARADEI TELLS ABC’S AMANPOUR: MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD ARE ‘IN NO WAY EXTREMISTS’
ElBaradei Tells ABC’s Amanpour: Muslim Brotherhood are ‘In No Way Extremists’ | The Blaze
CNN ANCHOR VIGOROUSLY PRAISES EGYPT’S MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD
“I’m asking about the Muslim Brotherhood, the organization that has tirelessly, and in many cases quite courageously, campaigned in elections, it has campaigned against the government, it has campaigned on behalf of the poor in Egypt. It has a long, long history in that country. What role should it have now?”

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoDAPZmXOmQ&[/ame]

 

[BlindBoo]

Reagan created a frankenstein in the region . . .

From 1994 Afghanistan was increasingly dominated by a faction of Mujahideen known as Taliban or seminary students (who were backed by Pakistani military intelligence, which learned the trick from Reagan and which were flush from all those billions the Reagan administration had funneled into the region). In 1996 Bin Laden came back and reestablished himself there, becoming the leader of 5,000 radical Arab volunteers that Reagan had urged Fahd to help come to Afghanistan back in the 1980s.

Fast forward to the War on Terror

"The American Right, having created the Mujahideen and having mightily contributed to the creation of al-Qaeda, abruptly announced that there was something deeply wrong with Islam, that it kept producing terrorists."

Why did Reagan remove Hussein from the terrorist list? Why did he increase weapons support to Saudi Arabia? Why did he provide endless support to the mujahideen?

Why don't Republican voters know Reagan's history? Because they get their information from the machine.

There is a logic to Reagan did. In order to bend this crucial region to American interests, Reagan strengthened the power of terrorists. Reagan used these terrorist chess peices to A) fight the Soviets and B) soften the region to US energy needs.

Reagan had no choice. He was part of a powerful movement who silenced Carter, the man who said we needed to re-think energy in order to get out of the middle east. Carter was worried that our oil addiction was strengthening terrorist nations. He was worried that the cost of stabilizing the middle east -- a.k.a. the military extraction of petroleum -- would not only bankrupt us, but required too many questionable alliances. Reagan called him crazy and doubled down in the middle east. He formed alliances with terrorists because he had to "play ball" with whatever powers he could harness. Through all of his shadowy dealings with Iran, Iraq, the Saudis, and Mujahideen -- he made terrorism a much more powerful force going forward. Nearly all of his policies served to radicalize the region.

Welcome to the law of unintended consequences.

Welcome to what happens when Republicans trust Washington too much.

They say they hate government.

They say government is incompetent.

But their love for Reagan -- a Washington politician -- and their willingness to trust Bush's explanation & execution of the War on Terrorism . . . has hurt this country more than they will ever realize. Not only do they trust Government, they trust it enough to create a democratic utopia atop Islamic soil. They trust dear leader. They have more faith in government power than any other group of Americans in history.

America's dirty little secret has always been that the Right trusts government. The Left opposed LBJ when he spoke about Vietnam. The Right, on the other hand, trusts Washington completely when it comes to war and geopolitics. Their trust in Washington has destroyed us. They didn't know how to challenge Bush because they don't know how to question government. They are only allowed to fight and question liberals. But they are not allowed to fight and question their government leaders.

In light of what you said, please explain the Carter Doctrine?

 

[BlindBoo]

The cultivation of terrorist cells has its consequences

"On becoming president, George H. W. Bush made a deal with the Soviets that he would cut the Mujahideen off if the Soviets would leave Afghanistan. The last Soviet troops departed in early 1989. The US then turned its back on Afghanistan and allowed it to fall into civil war, as the radical Muslim factions fostered by Washington and Riyadh turned against one another and used their extensive weaponry on each other and on civilians.

In the meantime, Saddam, whom the US had built up as a major military power, invaded Kuwait. The Bush senior administration now had to take on its former protege, and put hundreds of thousands of US troops into the Gulf and Saudi Arabia. The radical Muslim extremists with whom Reagan and Bush had allied in Afghanistan now turned on the US, objecting strenuously to a permanent US military presence in the Muslim holy land."

Geez......what a surprise Another America hater shows up on the USMESSAGEBOARD!!!!

Why do you love foreign interventionism and support for brutal, freedom repressing dictators? Why do you consider Americans who oppose these interventionist policies as America-haters?

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Muslim Brotherhood: ‘Prepare Egyptians for war with Israel'
By YAAKOV LAPPIN
02/01/2011 02:00


A leading member of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt told the Arabic-language Iranian news network Al-Alam on Monday that he would like to see the Egyptian people prepare for war against Israel, according to the Hebrew-language business newspaper Calcalist.

Muhammad Ghannem reportedly told Al- Alam that the Suez Canal should be closed immediately, and that the flow of gas from Egypt to Israel should cease “in order to bring about the downfall of the Mubarak regime.” He added that “the people should be prepared for war against Israel,” saying the world should understand that “the Egyptian people are prepared for anything to get rid of this regime.”

Ghannem praised Egyptian soldiers deployed by President Hosni Mubarak to Egyptian cities, saying they “would not kill their brothers.” He added that Washington was forced to abandon plans to help Mubarak stay in power after “seeing millions head for the streets.”

 

[High_Gravity]

Is this really what the Egyptians are rallying for? to remove Mubarak to follow the Brotherhood and go to war with Israel? how exactly will war with Israel fix any of the problems they have been complaining about like the lacks of jobs, economy etc?

 

[High_Gravity]

The Muslim Brotherhood seizing control of Egypt

What makes you think that this will happen?

How do you know they won't? even if they don't have the whole country they could place themselves in the government like Hezbollah in Lebanon or Al Sadr in Iraq.

 

[Kalam]

Is this really what the Egyptians are rallying for? to remove Mubarak to follow the Brotherhood and go to war with Israel?

No, unfortunately.

 

[High_Gravity]

Is this really what the Egyptians are rallying for? to remove Mubarak to follow the Brotherhood and go to war with Israel?

No, unfortunately.

Why do you say that? going to war with Israel would accomplish what for Egypt? to have alot of Egyptians dead and have Egypt get clamped down by sanctions like Iraq in the 90s?