USA backing Islamic uprising?

[Valerie]

A senior Brotherhood leader, Essam el-Erian, told The Associated Press he was heading to Tahrir Square to meet with other opposition leaders. Though the Brotherhood has made some statements suggesting it was willing to let ElBaradei act as pointman in any negotiations, el-Erian also suggested the movement wants a major role. He told one Egyptian TV station that the Brotherhood is ready to contact the army for a dialogue, calling the military "the protector of the nation."
A western friendly front of an Islamic fundamentalist state?
Where have I heard this before.
At least we will still have someone to give Chinese money to.

hummmmmm....

WASHINGTON, Jan 30, 2011 (AFP) - The United States is "losing credibility by the day" in calling for democracy in Egypt while continuing to support President Hosni Mubarak, leading dissident Mohamed ElBaradei said Sunday.

ElBaradei repeated his call for the longtime strongman to step down, going so far as to assert it should happen within the next three days.

"The American government cannot ask the Egyptian people to believe that a dictator who has been in power for 30 years will be the one to implement democracy," ElBaradei told US network CBS from Cairo.

"You are losing credibility by the day. On one hand you’re talking about democracy, rule of law and human rights, and on the other hand you’re lending still your support to a dictator that continues to oppress his people," added ElBaradei, the former head of the UN’s International Atomic Energy Agency.

Read more: U.S. 'losing credibility by the day' on Egypt: ElBaradei


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The United States is "losing credibility by the day" in calling for democracy in Egypt while continuing to support President Hosni Mubarak, leading dissident Mohamed ElBaradei said Sunday.

I get NO hits in the first 2 pages form any major American media source EXCEPT these minor leaguers Huffpo.....and Brietbart......interesting...

What do they want the US to dictate to them instead?


Nothing wrong with the US statements IMO...Now it's up to Egypt to determine their own fate.

 

[American Horse]

A senior Brotherhood leader, Essam el-Erian, told The Associated Press he was heading to Tahrir Square to meet with other opposition leaders. Though the Brotherhood has made some statements suggesting it was willing to let ElBaradei act as pointman in any negotiations, el-Erian also suggested the movement wants a major role. He told one Egyptian TV station that the Brotherhood is ready to contact the army for a dialogue, calling the military "the protector of the nation."
A western friendly front of an Islamic fundamentalist state?
Where have I heard this before.
At least we will still have someone to give Chinese money to.

hummmmmm....

WASHINGTON, Jan 30, 2011 (AFP) - The United States is "losing credibility by the day" in calling for democracy in Egypt while continuing to support President Hosni Mubarak, leading dissident Mohamed ElBaradei said Sunday.

ElBaradei repeated his call for the longtime strongman to step down, going so far as to assert it should happen within the next three days.

"The American government cannot ask the Egyptian people to believe that a dictator who has been in power for 30 years will be the one to implement democracy," ElBaradei told US network CBS from Cairo.

"You are losing credibility by the day. On one hand you’re talking about democracy, rule of law and human rights, and on the other hand you’re lending still your support to a dictator that continues to oppress his people," added ElBaradei, the former head of the UN’s International Atomic Energy Agency.

Read more: U.S. 'losing credibility by the day' on Egypt: ElBaradei


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The United States is "losing credibility by the day" in calling for democracy in Egypt while continuing to support President Hosni Mubarak, leading dissident Mohamed ElBaradei said Sunday.

I get NO hits in the first 2 pages form any major American media source EXCEPT these minor leaguers Huffpo.....and Brietbart......interesting...

Carolyn Glick, a columnist for the Jerusalem Post, explains how dangerous ElBaradei is. "As IAEA head," she writes, "Elbaradei shielded Iran's nuclear weapons program from the Security Council. He [has] continued to lobby against significant UN Security Council sanctions or other actions against Iran...Last week, he dismissed the threat of a nuclear armed Iran [saying] 'there is a lot of hype in this debate'."

As for the Muslim Brotherhood, Glick notes that "it forms the largest and best organized opposition to the Mubarak regime and [is] the progenitor of Hamas and al Qaidi. It seeks Egypt's transformation into an Islamic regime that will stand at the forefront of the global jihad."


READ HERE=>Column One: The pragmatic fantasy By CAROLINE B. GLICK - 01/28/2011 16:31 - The Jerusalem Post

The Obama administration, in my opinion, ought to persuade Mubarak to schedule free elections with his candidacy removed from all consideration, except that a vice president named by him or one or more of their representative bodies, (parliament/people’s assembly/Shura Council- whatever works best) would hold office for 6 months while campaigning would proceed to eoderly elections.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

“The USA does not support democracy; they’re supporting Israel, which is like their baby,” said Ahmed, a 26-year-old Cairo resident. “They think Egypt is functional because it’s in favor of their considerations.”

“I don’t care if we have peace [with Israel] or not,” Ahmed continued, echoing the indifference of many demonstrators who don’t have a clear agenda for what they want a future Egypt to look like, as long as it does not include Mubarak. “But will Israel allow us to have a real president? For example, Turkey elected an Islamic government, but it was their choice. Will Israel give us the freedom to make the same choice?” he asked.

Cairo: Anger starting to focus on Israel, US

 

[GHook93]

Fucking crazy how history repeats itself! Obama is the black Carter. Carter secretly helped the Iranian Revolution oust Shah. Now numbnutz Obama is helping the Muslim Brotherhood take over! He thinks by placating them now, that they will be our friends and see our great American Country as an ally for condemning the PRO-WESTERN previous leader. Similar to how Carter thought the Ayatollahs would love America!

Liberalism is a mental disorder!

Is we really that crazy ?

Egypt protests: America's secret backing for rebel leaders behind uprising
The American government secretly backed leading figures behind the Egyptian uprising who have been planning “regime change” for the past three years, The Daily Telegraph has learned.

By Tim Ross, Matthew Moore and Steven Swinford 9:23PM GMT 28 Jan 2011
466 Comments
The American Embassy in Cairo helped a young dissident attend a US-sponsored summit for activists in New York, while working to keep his identity secret from Egyptian state police.

On his return to Cairo in December 2008, the activist told US diplomats that an alliance of opposition groups had drawn up a plan to overthrow President Hosni Mubarak and install a democratic government in 2011.
The secret document in full

He has already been arrested by Egyptian security in connection with the demonstrations and his identity is being protected by The Daily Telegraph.
The crisis in Egypt follows the toppling of Tunisian president Zine al-Abedine Ben Ali, who fled the country after widespread protests forced him from office.


Egypt protests: America's secret backing for rebel leaders behind uprising - Telegraph

Stay tuned for wiki leaks or what ever.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Obama will go down in history as the president who lost Egypt
The street revolts in Tunisia and Egypt show that the United States can do very little to save its friends from the wrath of their citizens.

Jimmy Carter will go down in American history as "the president who lost Iran," which during his term went from being a major strategic ally of the United States to being the revolutionary Islamic Republic. Barack Obama will be remembered as the president who "lost" Turkey, Lebanon and Egypt, and during whose tenure America's alliances in the Middle East crumbled.

The superficial circumstances are similar. In both cases, a United States in financial crisis and after failed wars loses global influence under a leftist president whose good intentions are interpreted abroad as expressions of weakness. The results are reflected in the fall of regimes that were dependent on their relationship with Washington for survival, or in a change in their orientation, as with Ankara.

Obama will go down in history as the president who lost Egypt - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

 

[mdn2000]

Obama will go down in history as the president who lost Egypt
The street revolts in Tunisia and Egypt show that the United States can do very little to save its friends from the wrath of their citizens.

Jimmy Carter will go down in American history as "the president who lost Iran," which during his term went from being a major strategic ally of the United States to being the revolutionary Islamic Republic. Barack Obama will be remembered as the president who "lost" Turkey, Lebanon and Egypt, and during whose tenure America's alliances in the Middle East crumbled.

The superficial circumstances are similar. In both cases, a United States in financial crisis and after failed wars loses global influence under a leftist president whose good intentions are interpreted abroad as expressions of weakness. The results are reflected in the fall of regimes that were dependent on their relationship with Washington for survival, or in a change in their orientation, as with Ankara.

Obama will go down in history as the president who lost Egypt - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

I thought it was the Republicans responisble for funding foreign miltiary and creating a mess, Jimmy Carter lost Iran, Jimmy Carter lost North Korea, and now we can see the Egypt is another failure of Jimmy Carter's although with a whole lot of help from his freinds.

Thank god our Secretary of State is in Haiti, no sense in too many Democrats screwing up at once, but, if Hillary is concentrated on Haiti and Egypt is in Chaos I guess Hillary is screwing up as well. I guess at least we are on much better terms with Hugo Chavez and Cuba.

Democrats!

WHO LOST EGYPT? at DickMorris.com

The United States has enormous leverage in Egypt – far more than it had in Iran. We provide Egypt with upwards of $2 billion a year in foreign aid under the provisos of the Camp David Accords orchestrated by Carter. The Egyptian military, in particular, receives $1.3 billion of this money.

 

[bucs90]

We are NOT backing an uprising by the Islamic Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. We can't do that. It'd be crazy of us.

I mean, if the radical Muslims take Egype the way they took Iran from Carter, then Israel would be flanked to the North, East, South. Just like the Six Day War that the Muslims started, Israel finished, and was the root of current hatred of Israel.

For us to back an uprising of radicals in Egypt would require us to have some kind of crazy president with not only sympathy to radical Muslims and a desire to see the power of Israel severely weakened, but also to even have a wish for Jews worldwide to be harmed. And we do NOT have a president like that. If we did have a president like that, or even a candidate, we'd have seen something suspicious about him during his candidacy that would've shown his feelings towards Israel and the USA. He'd have attended some crazy church where preachers spread anti-Israeli sentiment, and yell stuff like "God Damn America", and rant about Zionism and stuff like that. And that hypothetical president would've had some sort of Muslim upbringing, not here, probably in Malaysia, Indonesia, something like that. He may have even been found to align himself or surround himself with radicals from college age and up, far left wingers, and he'd probably also show great leniancy in or hesitancy to crack down on Muslim extremists or shape it in a way that least offends them.

So calm down folks. Our current president shows none of those tendencies or past traits. So theres no way our president will support a radical Muslim uprising in Egypt.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

A senior Brotherhood leader, Essam el-Erian, told The Associated Press he was heading to Tahrir Square to meet with other opposition leaders. Though the Brotherhood has made some statements suggesting it was willing to let ElBaradei act as pointman in any negotiations, el-Erian also suggested the movement wants a major role. He told one Egyptian TV station that the Brotherhood is ready to contact the army for a dialogue, calling the military "the protector of the nation."
A western friendly front of an Islamic fundamentalist state?
Where have I heard this before.
At least we will still have someone to give Chinese money to.

hummmmmm....

WASHINGTON, Jan 30, 2011 (AFP) - The United States is "losing credibility by the day" in calling for democracy in Egypt while continuing to support President Hosni Mubarak, leading dissident Mohamed ElBaradei said Sunday.

ElBaradei repeated his call for the longtime strongman to step down, going so far as to assert it should happen within the next three days.

"The American government cannot ask the Egyptian people to believe that a dictator who has been in power for 30 years will be the one to implement democracy," ElBaradei told US network CBS from Cairo.

"You are losing credibility by the day. On one hand you’re talking about democracy, rule of law and human rights, and on the other hand you’re lending still your support to a dictator that continues to oppress his people," added ElBaradei, the former head of the UN’s International Atomic Energy Agency.

Read more: U.S. 'losing credibility by the day' on Egypt: ElBaradei


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The United States is "losing credibility by the day" in calling for democracy in Egypt while continuing to support President Hosni Mubarak, leading dissident Mohamed ElBaradei said Sunday.

I get NO hits in the first 2 pages form any major American media source EXCEPT these minor leaguers Huffpo.....and Brietbart......interesting...

Olin Institute for Strategic Studies

 

[bucs90]

This issue is quite simple, despite our morons in office calling it complicated.

Egypt, like all Middle East nations, is full of lunatic, radical whacko Muslim fanatics. It takes a strong handed regime to keep those lunatics in check.

But the lunatics are trying to rise up.

If you support Israel, stability in the Mid-East, and are anti-blowing oneself up for 72 virgins, then you want the uprising to be stopped and stability in Egypt to remain.

If you hate Israel, the US, stability in the Mid East, and think exploding yourself in the name of Allah is a good idea.....then you are praying that the Muslim Brotherhood takes control of Egypt.

It aint' that complicated folks. Theres some crazy ass Muslims out there who wanna blow themselves up, and take a lot of us with them. You're either against that or not.

 

[mdn2000]

I wonder if Obama wants to announce any other premature withdraws, how did Obama have the foresight to tuck his tail and run from the Middle East. Losing in Afhganistan, withdrawing from Iraq, turning his back on Israel, is powerless against Iran's building of Nuclear Bombs and taking over Jordan, is doing nothing in the Sudan, terrorism is rising out of Yemen, where the USS Cole was bombed during Clinton's term.

And now Obama calls the winner in Egypt, as in whoever wins he will side with, as if this is a basketball game?

I wonder how much of Obama's campaign contributions came from Egypt.

 

[bucs90]

We'll never know how much, since so many thousands came in at so little that the source wasn't required to be revealed.

So if a dictator wants to donate $1,000,000, but remain anonymous, he only needs to make 200,000 donations of $5 under "anonymous" and it's fine.

 

[pinqy]

We are NOT backing an uprising by the Islamic Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. We can't do that. It'd be crazy of us.

I mean, if the radical Muslims take Egype the way they took Iran from Carter, then Israel would be flanked to the North, East, South. Just like the Six Day War that the Muslims started, Israel finished, and was the root of current hatred of Israel.

For us to back an uprising of radicals in Egypt would require us to have some kind of crazy president with not only sympathy to radical Muslims and a desire to see the power of Israel severely weakened, but also to even have a wish for Jews worldwide to be harmed. And we do NOT have a president like that. If we did have a president like that, or even a candidate, we'd have seen something suspicious about him during his candidacy that would've shown his feelings towards Israel and the USA. He'd have attended some crazy church where preachers spread anti-Israeli sentiment, and yell stuff like "God Damn America", and rant about Zionism and stuff like that. And that hypothetical president would've had some sort of Muslim upbringing, not here, probably in Malaysia, Indonesia, something like that. He may have even been found to align himself or surround himself with radicals from college age and up, far left wingers, and he'd probably also show great leniancy in or hesitancy to crack down on Muslim extremists or shape it in a way that least offends them.

So calm down folks. Our current president shows none of those tendencies or past traits. So theres no way our president will support a radical Muslim uprising in Egypt.

I'm sorry, where are you getting the idea that this is a "radical Muslim uprising?" While I know the Muslim Brotherhood is playing a part, I've seen nothing from any news source to indicate that they are a primary player. There are numerous groups and individuals involved and the general tone I'm reading is definitely not calling for an Islamic revolution or theocracy.

 

[GHook93]

Bucs,

Read the article by Dick Morris that mdn posted. We are not backing the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, just like Carter didn't back the Islamic Uprising in Iran. HOWEVER, we are taking the wrong approach. We are basically facilitating the uprising via calls for Murburak to fight the Muslim Brotherhood with his hands tied, threats of taking away the military aid to Murburak, speeches by Obama that appear to make Murburak look like the enemy rather than an ally, the well seeming condemnation of Murburak and nothing about the threat of to the Egyptian people of a far worst threat of the Muslim Brotherhood!

Obama is taking the EXACT same path Carter chose with Iran and we all know how that came about.

Interesting note, Obama said and did nothing during the Green uprising in Iran, but was all over the Egyptian uprising. Does this guy know who are friends and enemies are?

He has become Carter! A total failure on domestic and fiscal issues and an absolute disaster on foreign policy!

Obama will go down in history as the president who lost Egypt
The street revolts in Tunisia and Egypt show that the United States can do very little to save its friends from the wrath of their citizens.

Jimmy Carter will go down in American history as "the president who lost Iran," which during his term went from being a major strategic ally of the United States to being the revolutionary Islamic Republic. Barack Obama will be remembered as the president who "lost" Turkey, Lebanon and Egypt, and during whose tenure America's alliances in the Middle East crumbled.

The superficial circumstances are similar. In both cases, a United States in financial crisis and after failed wars loses global influence under a leftist president whose good intentions are interpreted abroad as expressions of weakness. The results are reflected in the fall of regimes that were dependent on their relationship with Washington for survival, or in a change in their orientation, as with Ankara.

Obama will go down in history as the president who lost Egypt - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

I thought it was the Republicans responisble for funding foreign miltiary and creating a mess, Jimmy Carter lost Iran, Jimmy Carter lost North Korea, and now we can see the Egypt is another failure of Jimmy Carter's although with a whole lot of help from his freinds.

Thank god our Secretary of State is in Haiti, no sense in too many Democrats screwing up at once, but, if Hillary is concentrated on Haiti and Egypt is in Chaos I guess Hillary is screwing up as well. I guess at least we are on much better terms with Hugo Chavez and Cuba.

Democrats!

WHO LOST EGYPT? at DickMorris.com

The United States has enormous leverage in Egypt – far more than it had in Iran. We provide Egypt with upwards of $2 billion a year in foreign aid under the provisos of the Camp David Accords orchestrated by Carter. The Egyptian military, in particular, receives $1.3 billion of this money.

We are NOT backing an uprising by the Islamic Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. We can't do that. It'd be crazy of us.

I mean, if the radical Muslims take Egype the way they took Iran from Carter, then Israel would be flanked to the North, East, South. Just like the Six Day War that the Muslims started, Israel finished, and was the root of current hatred of Israel.

For us to back an uprising of radicals in Egypt would require us to have some kind of crazy president with not only sympathy to radical Muslims and a desire to see the power of Israel severely weakened, but also to even have a wish for Jews worldwide to be harmed. And we do NOT have a president like that. If we did have a president like that, or even a candidate, we'd have seen something suspicious about him during his candidacy that would've shown his feelings towards Israel and the USA. He'd have attended some crazy church where preachers spread anti-Israeli sentiment, and yell stuff like "God Damn America", and rant about Zionism and stuff like that. And that hypothetical president would've had some sort of Muslim upbringing, not here, probably in Malaysia, Indonesia, something like that. He may have even been found to align himself or surround himself with radicals from college age and up, far left wingers, and he'd probably also show great leniancy in or hesitancy to crack down on Muslim extremists or shape it in a way that least offends them.

So calm down folks. Our current president shows none of those tendencies or past traits. So theres no way our president will support a radical Muslim uprising in Egypt.

 

[mdn2000]

Yes, and in the news, the Great Reporter Keith Olbermann is making is way to the scene to provide us great reporting from the scene (just kidding), but seriously, are we getting any news from Egypt, I do not know my only source is the internet and I have not seen anything that seems like on the scene live news reports.

Obama stated he backs the winner, that is an open invitation for every simple follower of the Islamic religion to fight the Jihad, I see this as take Egypt, watch the US withdraw from Iraq, declare Islam the winner, and begin a new round of Middle Eastern war.

I wonder what the treaty or agreement Carter signed at Camp David stated about this, what are our obligations according to our treaties with Egypt. That will be the best way to evaluate if Obama is acting as he should.

Of course stating whoever wins we support is about the biggest Foreign Policy blunder I have heard in my life. Had Palin stated that we need the Liberals would be screaming at the top of their Lungs.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

CNN ANCHOR VIGOROUSLY PRAISES EGYPT’S MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD

“I’m asking about the Muslim Brotherhood, the organization that has tirelessly, and in many cases quite courageously, campaigned in elections, it has campaigned against the government, it has campaigned on behalf of the poor in Egypt. It has a long, long history in that country. What role should it have now?”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoDAPZmXOmQ&feature=player_embedded#

Products of the muslim brotherhood :
Osama bin Laden
Ayman al-Zawahiri
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

 

[American Horse]

The officer Corps of the Egyptian military is trained and mostly educated in the US. The people in the streets show an open admiration, respect, and confidence in the military, unlike the security forces which get their training in-country.

So far the military has shown a resistance to maltreatment of the civilians in the streets

We in the US instill in our military of service to the country not an individual ruler or leader. They may have learned to honor that tradition because any alternative is not viable.

If things are handled well a coalition of the parties involved can be induced to accept a reasonably progression towards a democratic solution to the present protests and uprising against Mubarak.

The Obama administration ought to be able to induce Mubarak to step aside - we could offer him a reasonably comfortable life, maybe an inducement through the British (with some quid-pro-quo) - to leave Egypt soon for a better environment for an 80 year old man at the end of his political life; to live in relative comfort outside of Egypt.

We will see if Obama has the great new vision in international affairs his supporters believe him to have.

 

[High_Gravity]

I'm confused, shouldn't the Iranians be against what is happening in Egypt? after all they went through something similar to this with the Green movement, they should hope that the people don't succeed because there are alot of unhappy young people in Iran as well.

 

[The Infidel]

Is we really that crazy ?

Egypt protests: America's secret backing for rebel leaders behind uprising
The American government secretly backed leading figures behind the Egyptian uprising who have been planning “regime change” for the past three years, The Daily Telegraph has learned.

By Tim Ross, Matthew Moore and Steven Swinford 9:23PM GMT 28 Jan 2011
466 Comments
The American Embassy in Cairo helped a young dissident attend a US-sponsored summit for activists in New York, while working to keep his identity secret from Egyptian state police.

On his return to Cairo in December 2008, the activist told US diplomats that an alliance of opposition groups had drawn up a plan to overthrow President Hosni Mubarak and install a democratic government in 2011.
The secret document in full

He has already been arrested by Egyptian security in connection with the demonstrations and his identity is being protected by The Daily Telegraph.
The crisis in Egypt follows the toppling of Tunisian president Zine al-Abedine Ben Ali, who fled the country after widespread protests forced him from office.


Egypt protests: America's secret backing for rebel leaders behind uprising - Telegraph

Stay tuned for wiki leaks or what ever.

Looks like Iran all over again.

 

[The Infidel]

Who is the enemy?

Muslim Brotherhood ?

 

[goldcatt]

I'm confused, shouldn't the Iranians be against what is happening in Egypt? after all they went through something similar to this with the Green movement, they should hope that the people don't succeed because there are alot of unhappy young people in Iran as well.

The situation is a lot more complicated than that.

Mubarek has cooperated with the West and with Israel, and has opposed Iranian influence in the region. The regime has, among other things, assisted with the Gaza blockade. That affects Hamas, which is an Iranian client. It has also worked as a power broker among Arab nations and between Arabs and Israel, which also limits Iranian hegemony and takes some pressure off Israel. The possibility of nurturing an Islamic client state in Egypt would put Iran in control of, among other things, Suez and entry to Gaza. You think they have no hands in the cookie jar already?

The Iranians have reason to want to see Mubarek gone.