Us Smokers Rule!

[KittenKoder]

Burn In.swf (humor, NSFW)

I wish I could spit fire to.

Moved from the Humor section 'cuz it got unfunny.
~Abelian Sea

 

[Anguille]

Looks like it was sponsored by Camel and Marboro and aimed at teens.

I can't tell if that was Shogun at the bar or if he was the guy at the table with his junk hanging out.

 

[KittenKoder]

*smirks* You sound like one of those anti-smoker freaks. It was a joke cartoon made by people who stand on neither side of any issue. They just make fun of things, period. Don't read more into things than there is, Camel and Marlboro just happen to be the most well known companies so it's only natural to use their adverts.

 

[Luissa]

*smirks* You sound like one of those anti-smoker freaks. It was a joke cartoon made by people who stand on neither side of any issue. They just make fun of things, period. Don't read more into things than there is, Camel and Marlboro just happen to be the most well known companies so it's only natural to use their adverts.

I am a smoker, thought it was funny! And also like the fact you can't smoke in bars in my state most of the time! For one you smoke less and save money! I hate it when it is freezing outside! Like Bill Mahr says " You guys wonder why smokers are sick all the time." We have to stand outside all the time.
It is nice to be able to bring your kid to a bowling alley without it being full of smoke, I am smoker but I don't like smoke around my kid.

 

[Anguille]

I'm a pink lunger. Shogun hasn't told you??!!

The graphics were good, I'll grant you that.

 

[Anguille]

I am a smoker, thought it was funny! And also like the fact you can't smoke in bars in my state most of the time! For one you smoke less and save money! I hate it when it is freezing outside! Like Bill Mahr says " You guys wonder why smokers are sick all the time." We have to stand outside all the time.
It is nice to be able to bring your kid to a bowling alley without it being full of smoke, I am smoker but I don't like smoke around my kid.

As a former bartender, I thank you for your thoughtfulness.

 

[KittenKoder]

I am a smoker, thought it was funny! And also like the fact you can't smoke in bars in my state most of the time! For one you smoke less and save money! I hate it when it is freezing outside! Like Bill Mahr says " You guys wonder why smokers are sick all the time." We have to stand outside all the time.
It is nice to be able to bring your kid to a bowling alley without it being full of smoke, I am smoker but I don't like smoke around my kid.

I disagree with forcing it as law, but that's the only point I disagree with the anti-smoker freaks. I didn't accuse anyone of being an anti-smoker freak, it just sounded like one. Being for some non-smoking places doesn't make you a freak, just means you have an opinion. The freaks are the ones that push their opinions into laws.

 

[Anguille]

I'm not going to get into it tonight but did you ever consider that bar employees deserve the same workplace safety protections that any other type of employee gets? They aren't second class citizens just because they are servants.

 

[Luissa]

I also read this story about a bar in Ireland that now pipes in the smell of smoke! Before the smell of smoke was hiding the other smells! After this I did notice bars don't always smell good anyways!
The day are smoking ban went into place it was 10 degrees outside, I hated it that day but now most bars have warmers, covered patios. Quite a few have outdoor areas where you can bring your drinks.

 

[KittenKoder]

I'm not going to get into it tonight but did you ever consider that bar employees deserve the same workplace safety protections that any other type of employee gets? They aren't second class citizens just because they are servants.

Yeah, but a law is still the wrong way to go. I know a LOT of people who work in bars that smoke as well. The difference is to take the owners freedom of choice away is the same as to take the freedom away from anyone else. If you want government regulation, fine, then they shouldn't have to pay taxes either.

 

[Luissa]

Yeah, but a law is still the wrong way to go. I know a LOT of people who work in bars that smoke as well. The difference is to take the owners freedom of choice away is the same as to take the freedom away from anyone else. If you want government regulation, fine, then they shouldn't have to pay taxes either.

I somewhat agree with you! For two bingo halls closed down due to the law because people just went to the indian casino where you could smoke. These two halls raised money for Big Brothers and Sister, and a Guild school which is for children born with birth deffects.

 

[KittenKoder]

I somewhat agree with you! For two bingo halls closed down due to the law because people just went to the indian casino where you could smoke. These two halls raised money for Big Brothers and Sister, and a Guild school which is for children born with birth deffects.

Now a law saying that they have to offer a separation, that's okay, like an equal smoking and non-smoking part when they are able without drastic rebuilding, that's cool. But forcing one ideas on another is wrong no matter the reasoning.

For an example of almost equal weight:
Red Meat has proven to be very unhealthy, and, even without skewing the numbers, is responsible for many health problems. Should all businesses be told they can no longer serve this harmful substance?

Also, South Park pointed out one fact that even I did not notice, the leaders of the people who are pointing fingers at smoking are obese, isn't that a more serious problem that is more easily fixed? (P.S. I don't believe in the obesity scare either)

 

[Shogun]

I figured i'd better go ahead and open this thread because I knew damn well Ang would bring up my name.. and what do you know.. second post.


first, i can't seem to see the flash video. so...

second, I was a bartender too, Ang. I understand what it means to provide a location that clients will want to go to when they don't have to. If you want to work at a non-smoking bar then great. Go do that. Your non-smoking clients can come with you. Yet I can show you how the application of draconian policies like the ones that you enjoy not only fail to reduce smoking but do nothing but drive business out of bars. We have two examples of that exact thing happen in Missouri. Maryville, where I went to school, and Columbia, where I now live. I can tell you that many people refuse to go to bars just to patronize a place that charges .75 cents over the price per beer of a six pack taken to a party that allows smoking. Maryville rescinded it's smoking ban on bars. I expect columbia to do the same. If you don't want to work in a smokey bay then dont. No one forces you to take any job.


you goddamn pink lunger.

 

[Anguille]

Yeah, but a law is still the wrong way to go. I know a LOT of people who work in bars that smoke as well. The difference is to take the owners freedom of choice away is the same as to take the freedom away from anyone else. If you want government regulation, fine, then they shouldn't have to pay taxes either.

Your "freedom" stops at my nose.
I know a lot of people who smoke, work in bars and are very glad those laws are in place.

Shall we just remove all non smoking laws and let people smoke anywhere they like? Hospitals, schools, libraries?
Why should employees in those places be protected, if food service employees don't deserve protections?

 

[Anguille]

I somewhat agree with you! For two bingo halls closed down due to the law because people just went to the indian casino where you could smoke. These two halls raised money for Big Brothers and Sister, and a Guild school which is for children born with birth deffects.

The opposite happened in my area. restaurants and bars reported a 15% increase in customers.
In any case, does the means justify the ends? Should those bingo halls have remained places where employees were denied protections so that a charity could benefit?

 

[Anguille]

I figured i'd better go ahead and open this thread because I knew damn well Ang would bring up my name.. and what do you know.. second post.


first, i can't seem to see the flash video. so...

second, I was a bartender too, Ang. I understand what it means to provide a location that clients will want to go to when they don't have to. If you want to work at a non-smoking bar then great. Go do that. Your non-smoking clients can come with you. Yet I can show you how the application of draconian policies like the ones that you enjoy not only fail to reduce smoking but do nothing but drive business out of bars. We have two examples of that exact thing happen in Missouri. Maryville, where I went to school, and Columbia, where I now live. I can tell you that many people refuse to go to bars just to patronize a place that charges .75 cents over the price per beer of a six pack taken to a party that allows smoking. Maryville rescinded it's smoking ban on bars. I expect columbia to do the same. If you don't want to work in a smokey bay then dont. No one forces you to take any job.


you goddamn pink lunger.

Blow it out your bunghole.

 

[KittenKoder]

Your "freedom" stops at my nose.
I know a lot of people who smoke, work in bars and are very glad those laws are in place.

Shall we just remove all non smoking laws and let people smoke anywhere they like? Hospitals, schools, libraries?
Why should employees in those places be protected, if food service employees don't deserve protections?

Difference: Bars are private property while the other locations you mention are mostly public property and you have no choice for hospital or school.

I also worked in food service, a long time ago, we had two sections and it worked out fine. Most locations that have been forced by stupid laws infringing on private property have also had to fire a lot of staff and still lose money. Almost no tips compared to before the smoking bans, etc. Some areas where smoking was already low have seen little to no effect, but then most of their patrons were already non-smoking. Leaving up to the owners to choose is the morally correct thing to do, as well as the more legal thing.

Also, second hand smoke numbers are blown WAY out of reality:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AjXwSJtxGc]YouTube - Bullshit! S1/E5 Second Hand Smoke / Baby Bullshit 1/3[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAmp9U9E-J0]YouTube - Bullshit! S1/E5 Second Hand Smoke / Baby Bullshit 2/3[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKTg2wQEGlU]YouTube - Bullshit! S1/E5 Second Hand Smoke / Baby Bullshit 3/3[/ame]

On Safety to, for fun:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucooc2Ne95A]YouTube - Penn & Teller Bullshit S2E2 Safety Hysteria 3/3[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10kjEV448Vs]YouTube - Penn & Teller Bullshit S2E2 Safety Hysteria 2/3[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJRnf4fwCZ8]YouTube - Penn & Teller Bullshit S2E2 Safety Hysteria 1/3[/ame]

 

[Shogun]

Your "freedom" stops at my nose.
I know a lot of people who smoke, work in bars and are very glad those laws are in place.

Shall we just remove all non smoking laws and let people smoke anywhere they like? Hospitals, schools, libraries?
Why should employees in those places be protected, if food service employees don't deserve protections?

and if you CHOOSE to take your nose into a smokey bar then don't cry when you had every chance to make an alternate choice. Those people you know don't eclipse bars who have shut down because bar cleints say FUCK YOU to your draconian tobacco hating laws. People go to bars to congregate in a location where the BAR OWNER should decide the atmosphere should be. Can you say the same thing about hospitals and libraries?

 

[Shogun]

Blow it out your bunghole.

Or, you can take it to that phantom wave of pink lungers that are always promised to reinvigorate the bar economy but, SHOCKINGLY, never materialize.

 

[Anguille]

and if you CHOOSE to take your nose into a smokey bar then don't cry when you had every chance to make an alternate choice. Those people you know don't eclipse bars who have shut down because bar cleints say FUCK YOU to your draconian tobacco hating laws. People go to bars to congregate in a location where the BAR OWNER should decide the atmosphere should be. Can you say the same thing about hospitals and libraries?

Shall we just let coal mine owners do away with safety measures too, just because it's a private business?