US Navy will scrap nuclear submarine due to budget cuts under Obama admin

[thereisnospoon]

Good. If we lessen the ability to bully the world, we lessen the desire to bully the world.

Oh please.
Why is the "Chosen One" not pulling our troops from that God forsaken rock strewn shit dump known as Afghanistan?

Look, I think I understand where you are going with that comment. In some respects, I agree. The US should stay out of the business of other nations. Just yesterday Sens Mc Cain of AZ and Graham of SC were in Cairo. Protesters were quoted as saying they want no US Presence. They view any attempts to modify the decisions of the Egyptian people as a kind of meddling in the affairs of a sovereign nation.
As far as I am concerned, we should pull most our troops off foreign soil and bring them home. They could secure the borders and the ports.
We should stay out of international conflicts unless there is a vital national security issue or serious issue of financial security...
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiep...with-the-muslim-brotherhood-in-egypt-n1658617

 

[francoHFW]

We spend as much as all the others combined, and can kick ANYBODY's ass, give me a break, chumps.

OP- this is Debt CRISIS!!/sequester stuff fer chissake (Boehner: "I got 98% 0f what I wanteed")...also 1-1.5% cut in growth for 2 years....fecking a holes.

 

[francoHFW]

He IS pulling Aghan troops, brainwashed functional MORON...

 

[Vandalshandle]

We need all the nuclear submarines we can get! How else are we going to meet the threat of North Korea if they approach Seattle harbor with a rowboat and a 1953 model Chinese rocket launcher?

 

[francoHFW]

Half were gone by this time:

Obama announces 34,000 troops to come home - CNN.com
www.cnn.com/2013/02/12/.../obama-sotu-afghanistan-troops
Feb 13, 2013 ... There are now about 66,000 U.S. troops in Afghanistan. ... and forge ahead
successfully even if one foreign soldier is present in our country . ... range of troop
levels -- from up to 15,000 to none -- to remain in Afghanistan once ...

 

[NYcarbineer]

After a disgruntled dock worker set a fire aboard a US nuclear submarine, the Navy was going to repair it and send it back out to sea.

But with budget cuts under the Obama administration, they have changed their minds, and will scrap it.

Elections have consequences. A weakened military is one of them.

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Navy drops plans to repair USS Miami sub

Navy drops plans to repair USS Miami sub

David Sharp, Associated Press
10 hours ago
Aug. 7, 2013

PORTLAND, Maine (AP) -- The Navy has decided to scrap the USS Miami instead of repairing the nuclear-powered submarine because of budget cuts accompanied by growing costs of repairing damage from a fire set by a civilian worker at Portsmouth Naval Shipyard, officials said Tuesday.

Rear Adm. Rick Breckenridge, director of undersea warfare, said repairing the Groton, Conn.-based sub would have meant canceling work on dozens of other ships because of new budget constraints. He said that would've hurt the Navy's overall readiness.

"The Navy and the nation simply cannot afford to weaken other fleet readiness in the way that would be required to afford repairs to Miami," Breckenridge said in a statement.

Readiness for what?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Rumsfeld was right, you go to war with the Army you have.

When you're attacked, yes. When it's a war of choice, that's a different story.

Wrong, you have no choice but to go to war with what you have on the date you start the war. Prior to Iraq and Afghanistan there was no need to armor trucks and Hummers. No need for fatalistic armor suits for the troops. And once it was decided we needed those things it takes TIME to get the materials for hundreds of thousands of troops and vehicles.

The mere fact that with in a year of recognizing the need for ballistic armor troops were getting it is a miracle. The military procurement system does not work like that.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld answers questions about things that went wrong in Iraq

A National Guard scout from Tennessee asked why there was still an equipment shortage that forced units to scrounge for "hillbilly armor": "pieces of rusted scrap metal and compromised ballistic glass that's already been shot up, dropped, busted." When the cheering died down, Mr. Rumsfeld said that, really, there was plenty of armor and in any case, "all the armor in the world" might not save you from a roadside bomb.

A spokesman for the questioner's unit told reporters that 95 percent of its 300 trucks were not sufficiently armored.

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I was in the Service from 75 to 79 and the equipment was old then. The barracks I stayed at housed Jews in WWII and there was slime running down the outside of the building from the showers. And I was part of a unit nuclear capable.

You are aware of course that before Iraq we did NOT armor our trucks? Not a single truck was armored or had ballistic glass. What was supposed to happen was as needed a truck would be reinforced with sandbags as in Vietnam. Further most Hummers were utility vehicles with NO armor and no ballistic glass, In fact their side doors were plastic glass and rubber doors.

Every soldier and marine had a flak jacket which was standard issue almost no one had bullet resistant body armor.

Rumsfeld was right, you go to war with the Army you have. As things change you adapt and over come. It takes time to up armor hundreds of thousands of trucks and Hummers. Ohh by the way? The up armor ruined the vehicles. It made them to heavy and they wore out much faster then designed too.

As for ballistic armor for troops no one had that prior to Iraq. It was not contemplated at all. So a military system where it takes YEARS of research and study to field new appropriately tested gear scrambled around and got what it could with out testing, which cost us big bucks cause some of the gear turned out was useless for the mission. But again even assuming one has the right gear to go from zero to HUNDREDS of thousands of an item takes time money and research.

I know the press chose to IGNORE these facts but I suspect you have been informed before of the realities.

Believe me I understand. Republicans always care more about "money" than Americans, whether soldiers or civilians. It's who they are. And what was the mission in Iraq? Get those oil wells. And it didn't work out. They never asked us there. Bush told us he was disappointed there were no (slam dunk) WMD's.
And now we have tens of thousands of Americans maimed for life with Republicans coming up with new ways to figure out how we can avoid paying for the injuries.

And it makes me feel a lot better knowing Rumsfeld was right.

Are you sure you don't want to get out an even broader brush?

 

[SFC Ollie]

We spend as much as all the others combined, and can kick ANYBODY's ass, give me a break, chumps.

OP- this is Debt CRISIS!!/sequester stuff fer chissake (Boehner: "I got 98% 0f what I wanteed")...also 1-1.5% cut in growth for 2 years....fecking a holes.

Do we really spend more than all others? Or do we simply pay more for the same thing?

I can promise you that the weapon system that our government pays $5 million for has a cost of about $500,000 in China....And they are equal in capabilities...

No I don't have a link, It is my opinion......Based upon common sense.......

 

[bodecea]

Our Military is shrinking. It is already smaller than when I retired in 93. How small will it be when they are done?

There are Boy Scout troops that will be bigger, and maybe better equipped......

Really? You know we are the biggest military in the world by far, right?

Link


Oh, forget it.

China is larger. Top 10 Countries with Largest Armies in the World 2012 | OMG Top Tens List

I was referencing budget more than anything.....but yes, China has more groundpounders than we or anyone else does.....It's been that way for a very very long time, no changes there under Obama.

 

[bodecea]

We have to keep the very very rich Military/Industrial Complex solvent!

 

[Missourian]

The next Submarine to be completed is the USS Illinois.

Miami is being scrapped so PCU Illinois completion date will not be delayed to 2016...after President Obama's term ends.

 

[BlindBoo]

U.S. Sens. Susan Collins and Angus King of Maine and Jeanne Shaheen and Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire issued a statement blaming the decision to scrap the submarine on the automatic budget cuts known as sequestration.

"We are disappointed by the Navy's decision to discontinue repairs to the USS Miami. Inactivating the Miami will mean a loss to our nuclear submarine fleet — yet another unfortunate consequence of the across-the-board cuts known as sequestration. We will continue to work together to find a responsible budget solution that replaces sequestration," they said.

U.S. Rep. Chellie Pingree, whose Maine district includes the shipyard, blamed the submarine's loss on Congress' inability to come up with a budget.

"It's outrageous that the yard won't get the chance to put the Miami back in service because of sequestration," she said.


But the deficit is falling like a rock.....

 

[Crackerjaxon]

Defense spending is a huge boondoggle.

 

[Avatar4321]

Wait, they are actually cutting the budget? Or are they just not increasing spending as much?

 

[SFC Ollie]

Across the board cuts my ass.......The Military has taken the brunt of any cuts........And is still looking at taking more........

 

[Trajan]

Our Military is shrinking. It is already smaller than when I retired in 93. How small will it be when they are done?

There are Boy Scout troops that will be bigger, and maybe better equipped......

Really? You know we are the biggest military in the world by far, right?

Link


Oh, forget it.

China is larger. Top 10 Countries with Largest Armies in the World 2012 | OMG Top Tens List

we still got India by 100K yo...

 

[bodecea]

Across the board cuts my ass.......The Military has taken the brunt of any cuts........And is still looking at taking more........

More to give, IMO.

 

[Luissa]

Good, more money saved.

 

[R.C. Christian]

You can take on an Asia Pivot and engage Chinese and Russian forces with only 286 ships in the inevitable war that is coming.