US hypocrisy of democracy

[Dale Smith]

Didnt the orange supreme leader called the EC a disaster...I beleive him.

It was a disaster until he found out the Republicans get a 3 million head start.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Note, this topic is not about Cuba.

A new dawn for Cuba? The draft constitution explained


"Dear Donald Trump: A letter from Cuba
"The US objection, the Trump administration's objection, to Cuba is that it's not a multi-party democracy like the United States and the Cuban constitution doesn't change that, in fact the new constitution reaffirms the single-party system with the Communist Party in the leading role," said William LeoGrande, a professor in the School of Public Affairs at the American University."

So, the Trump administration which was not elected through much in the way of democracy, in a system which limits political parties, is complaining about a country with a system that doesn't have democracy and limits political parties.

It's funny how the US goes around doing this.

Not much has changed

Bush says U.S. must spread democracy

"Bush says U.S. must spread democracy"

A second leader who was elected not with proper democracy calling for a spread of democracy around the world.

The US has an unfair Electoral College system which is fit only for the 18th century.

Aww. Mob rule just eludes the heck out of ya, eh?

Ah, a person who hates democracy.

The United States has never been a pure democracy. No reason to start now.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Didnt the orange supreme leader called the EC a disaster?...I beleive him.

 

[peach174]

Note, this topic is not about Cuba.

A new dawn for Cuba? The draft constitution explained


"Dear Donald Trump: A letter from Cuba
"The US objection, the Trump administration's objection, to Cuba is that it's not a multi-party democracy like the United States and the Cuban constitution doesn't change that, in fact the new constitution reaffirms the single-party system with the Communist Party in the leading role," said William LeoGrande, a professor in the School of Public Affairs at the American University."

So, the Trump administration which was not elected through much in the way of democracy, in a system which limits political parties, is complaining about a country with a system that doesn't have democracy and limits political parties.

It's funny how the US goes around doing this.

Not much has changed

Bush says U.S. must spread democracy

"Bush says U.S. must spread democracy"

A second leader who was elected not with proper democracy calling for a spread of democracy around the world.

The US has an unfair Electoral College system which is fit only for the 18th century.

Aww. Mob rule just eludes the heck out of ya, eh?

Ah, a person who hates democracy.

Pure Democracy is 2 other kids deciding they own your bike.

Not being snarky. Perhaps you will explain that to me or point me in the direction of a book or two?

Two rule over one, the one has no voice or representation.
So we have the EC to correct that.
Pure Democracy is mob rule.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Note, this topic is not about Cuba.

A new dawn for Cuba? The draft constitution explained


"Dear Donald Trump: A letter from Cuba
"The US objection, the Trump administration's objection, to Cuba is that it's not a multi-party democracy like the United States and the Cuban constitution doesn't change that, in fact the new constitution reaffirms the single-party system with the Communist Party in the leading role," said William LeoGrande, a professor in the School of Public Affairs at the American University."

So, the Trump administration which was not elected through much in the way of democracy, in a system which limits political parties, is complaining about a country with a system that doesn't have democracy and limits political parties.

It's funny how the US goes around doing this.

Not much has changed

Bush says U.S. must spread democracy

"Bush says U.S. must spread democracy"

A second leader who was elected not with proper democracy calling for a spread of democracy around the world.

The US has an unfair Electoral College system which is fit only for the 18th century.

It has House elections which are often so gerrymandered it's ridiculous and pointless for many people to even vote.

How much hypocrisy can the US spread?

Both CA and now NY both have their long sought one Communist Party rule.

The first thing NY does was to offer the richest man in the world billions of taxpayer money - while suing Trump for "tax cuts for billionaires"

 

[frigidweirdo]

Note, this topic is not about Cuba.

A new dawn for Cuba? The draft constitution explained


"Dear Donald Trump: A letter from Cuba
"The US objection, the Trump administration's objection, to Cuba is that it's not a multi-party democracy like the United States and the Cuban constitution doesn't change that, in fact the new constitution reaffirms the single-party system with the Communist Party in the leading role," said William LeoGrande, a professor in the School of Public Affairs at the American University."

So, the Trump administration which was not elected through much in the way of democracy, in a system which limits political parties, is complaining about a country with a system that doesn't have democracy and limits political parties.

It's funny how the US goes around doing this.

Not much has changed

Bush says U.S. must spread democracy

"Bush says U.S. must spread democracy"

A second leader who was elected not with proper democracy calling for a spread of democracy around the world.

The US has an unfair Electoral College system which is fit only for the 18th century.

Aww. Mob rule just eludes the heck out of ya, eh?

Ah, a person who hates democracy.

Pure Democracy is 2 other kids deciding they own your bike.

Not being snarky. Perhaps you will explain that to me or point me in the direction of a book or two?

Two rule over one, the one has no voice or representation.
So we have the EC to correct that.
Pure Democracy is mob rule.

Too many people are using the term "mob rule" for it to be a coincidence. I reckon it's the kock brothers up to no good.

You have to choose politicians somehow. Why is "mob rule" better than a system of gerrymandering and some people get a voice and other people don't?

Anyone who spends five minutes looking at Proportional Representation will realize it's a far superior system.

The problem is some people look at it and decide it goes against THEIR INTERESTS, especially the rich.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Note, this topic is not about Cuba.

A new dawn for Cuba? The draft constitution explained


"Dear Donald Trump: A letter from Cuba
"The US objection, the Trump administration's objection, to Cuba is that it's not a multi-party democracy like the United States and the Cuban constitution doesn't change that, in fact the new constitution reaffirms the single-party system with the Communist Party in the leading role," said William LeoGrande, a professor in the School of Public Affairs at the American University."

So, the Trump administration which was not elected through much in the way of democracy, in a system which limits political parties, is complaining about a country with a system that doesn't have democracy and limits political parties.

It's funny how the US goes around doing this.

Not much has changed

Bush says U.S. must spread democracy

"Bush says U.S. must spread democracy"

A second leader who was elected not with proper democracy calling for a spread of democracy around the world.

The US has an unfair Electoral College system which is fit only for the 18th century.

It has House elections which are often so gerrymandered it's ridiculous and pointless for many people to even vote.

How much hypocrisy can the US spread?

Both CA and now NY both have their long sought one Communist Party rule.

The first thing NY does was to offer the richest man in the world billions of taxpayer money - while suing Trump for "tax cuts for billionaires"

Oh, partisan nonsense.

I don't really do partisan nonsense, so when you're ready to live in reality, let me know.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Aww. Mob rule just eludes the heck out of ya, eh?

Ah, a person who hates democracy.

Pure Democracy is 2 other kids deciding they own your bike.

Not being snarky. Perhaps you will explain that to me or point me in the direction of a book or two?

Two rule over one, the one has no voice or representation.
So we have the EC to correct that.
Pure Democracy is mob rule.

Too many people are using the term "mob rule" for it to be a coincidence. I reckon it's the kock brothers up to no good.

Nah. It's a definition of pure democracy.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Note, this topic is not about Cuba.

A new dawn for Cuba? The draft constitution explained


"Dear Donald Trump: A letter from Cuba
"The US objection, the Trump administration's objection, to Cuba is that it's not a multi-party democracy like the United States and the Cuban constitution doesn't change that, in fact the new constitution reaffirms the single-party system with the Communist Party in the leading role," said William LeoGrande, a professor in the School of Public Affairs at the American University."

So, the Trump administration which was not elected through much in the way of democracy, in a system which limits political parties, is complaining about a country with a system that doesn't have democracy and limits political parties.

It's funny how the US goes around doing this.

Not much has changed

Bush says U.S. must spread democracy

"Bush says U.S. must spread democracy"

A second leader who was elected not with proper democracy calling for a spread of democracy around the world.

The US has an unfair Electoral College system which is fit only for the 18th century.

It has House elections which are often so gerrymandered it's ridiculous and pointless for many people to even vote.

How much hypocrisy can the US spread?

Both CA and now NY both have their long sought one Communist Party rule.

The first thing NY does was to offer the richest man in the world billions of taxpayer money - while suing Trump for "tax cuts for billionaires"

Oh, partisan nonsense.

I don't really do partisan nonsense, so when you're ready to live in reality, let me know.

Irony meters the world over are pinned at 100% and beg for mercy

 

[OKTexas]

Note, this topic is not about Cuba.

A new dawn for Cuba? The draft constitution explained


"Dear Donald Trump: A letter from Cuba
"The US objection, the Trump administration's objection, to Cuba is that it's not a multi-party democracy like the United States and the Cuban constitution doesn't change that, in fact the new constitution reaffirms the single-party system with the Communist Party in the leading role," said William LeoGrande, a professor in the School of Public Affairs at the American University."

So, the Trump administration which was not elected through much in the way of democracy, in a system which limits political parties, is complaining about a country with a system that doesn't have democracy and limits political parties.

It's funny how the US goes around doing this.

Not much has changed

Bush says U.S. must spread democracy

"Bush says U.S. must spread democracy"

A second leader who was elected not with proper democracy calling for a spread of democracy around the world.

The US has an unfair Electoral College system which is fit only for the 18th century.

Aww. Mob rule just eludes the heck out of ya, eh?

Ah, a person who hates democracy.

So did the founders, he's in good company.

.

The Founding Fathers didn't necessarily hate democracy. They just lived in a different time. When Democracy had been extremely limited at that time.
They had been a part of the British Empire where voting was limited to rich people.
Going from that to full out Proportional Representation would have caused problems.

The modern world has changed and the Founding Fathers allowed for the Constitution to change so that it could meet the needs of the contemporary world.

This doesn't mean they hated Democracy. It means they understood that the world wasn't ready for it at that time.

You seem to be forgetting what the founders established. The federal government was intended to be a body to manage a union of sovereign States, primarily to manage foreign affairs and trade. States which hold the ultimate power and if they chose could further limit or abolish that body at will. The States elect their representatives to that body and the States decide who leads that body. The electoral college is in perfect tune with that concept. It prevents more populous States from ruling the country as a whole. Don't like it, move your ass to a locale where you like the established government better, no one has nailed your feet to the floor.

.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Note, this topic is not about Cuba.

A new dawn for Cuba? The draft constitution explained


"Dear Donald Trump: A letter from Cuba
"The US objection, the Trump administration's objection, to Cuba is that it's not a multi-party democracy like the United States and the Cuban constitution doesn't change that, in fact the new constitution reaffirms the single-party system with the Communist Party in the leading role," said William LeoGrande, a professor in the School of Public Affairs at the American University."

So, the Trump administration which was not elected through much in the way of democracy, in a system which limits political parties, is complaining about a country with a system that doesn't have democracy and limits political parties.

It's funny how the US goes around doing this.

Not much has changed

Bush says U.S. must spread democracy

"Bush says U.S. must spread democracy"

A second leader who was elected not with proper democracy calling for a spread of democracy around the world.

The US has an unfair Electoral College system which is fit only for the 18th century.

Aww. Mob rule just eludes the heck out of ya, eh?

Ah, a person who hates democracy.

So did the founders, he's in good company.

.

The Founding Fathers didn't necessarily hate democracy. They just lived in a different time. When Democracy had been extremely limited at that time.
They had been a part of the British Empire where voting was limited to rich people.
Going from that to full out Proportional Representation would have caused problems.

The modern world has changed and the Founding Fathers allowed for the Constitution to change so that it could meet the needs of the contemporary world.

This doesn't mean they hated Democracy. It means they understood that the world wasn't ready for it at that time.

They regarded democracy as mere mob rule. Which it is. The founders believed, and rightly so, that in a democracy the majority could dispossess a minority of any right, any property, at whim.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Aww. Mob rule just eludes the heck out of ya, eh?

Ah, a person who hates democracy.

Pure Democracy is 2 other kids deciding they own your bike.

Not being snarky. Perhaps you will explain that to me or point me in the direction of a book or two?

Two rule over one, the one has no voice or representation.
So we have the EC to correct that.
Pure Democracy is mob rule.

Too many people are using the term "mob rule" for it to be a coincidence. I reckon it's the kock brothers up to no good.

You have to choose politicians somehow. Why is "mob rule" better than a system of gerrymandering and some people get a voice and other people don't?

Anyone who spends five minutes looking at Proportional Representation will realize it's a far superior system.

The problem is some people look at it and decide it goes against THEIR INTERESTS, especially the rich.

You do realize that the rich are the smallest minority of all.

 

[Votto]

Note, this topic is not about Cuba.

A new dawn for Cuba? The draft constitution explained


"Dear Donald Trump: A letter from Cuba
"The US objection, the Trump administration's objection, to Cuba is that it's not a multi-party democracy like the United States and the Cuban constitution doesn't change that, in fact the new constitution reaffirms the single-party system with the Communist Party in the leading role," said William LeoGrande, a professor in the School of Public Affairs at the American University."

So, the Trump administration which was not elected through much in the way of democracy, in a system which limits political parties, is complaining about a country with a system that doesn't have democracy and limits political parties.

It's funny how the US goes around doing this.

Not much has changed

Bush says U.S. must spread democracy

"Bush says U.S. must spread democracy"

A second leader who was elected not with proper democracy calling for a spread of democracy around the world.

The US has an unfair Electoral College system which is fit only for the 18th century.

Aww. Mob rule just eludes the heck out of ya, eh?

He just wants a one party rule, like they have in New York, California, Venezuela and North Korea.

The mobs then be damned.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Lol, here we go again with libs hating the Constitution.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Note, this topic is not about Cuba.

A new dawn for Cuba? The draft constitution explained


"Dear Donald Trump: A letter from Cuba
"The US objection, the Trump administration's objection, to Cuba is that it's not a multi-party democracy like the United States and the Cuban constitution doesn't change that, in fact the new constitution reaffirms the single-party system with the Communist Party in the leading role," said William LeoGrande, a professor in the School of Public Affairs at the American University."

So, the Trump administration which was not elected through much in the way of democracy, in a system which limits political parties, is complaining about a country with a system that doesn't have democracy and limits political parties.

It's funny how the US goes around doing this.

Not much has changed

Bush says U.S. must spread democracy

"Bush says U.S. must spread democracy"

A second leader who was elected not with proper democracy calling for a spread of democracy around the world.

The US has an unfair Electoral College system which is fit only for the 18th century.

Aww. Mob rule just eludes the heck out of ya, eh?

Ah, a person who hates democracy.

So did the founders, he's in good company.

.

The Founding Fathers didn't necessarily hate democracy. They just lived in a different time. When Democracy had been extremely limited at that time.
They had been a part of the British Empire where voting was limited to rich people.
Going from that to full out Proportional Representation would have caused problems.

The modern world has changed and the Founding Fathers allowed for the Constitution to change so that it could meet the needs of the contemporary world.

This doesn't mean they hated Democracy. It means they understood that the world wasn't ready for it at that time.

They regarded democracy as mere mob rule. Which it is. The founders believed, and rightly so, that in a democracy the majority could dispossess a minority of any right, any property, at whim.

What's the difference between one person, one vote, and some people getting more power with their vote than others?

The difference is that candidates will only pay special attention to those who hold the votes.

So, in presidential elections they only care about 12 states, screw everyone else, they're not important.

The WHOLE POINT of Democracy is that everyone gets noticed. That it's fair.

The whole point of the US system is that rights can't be taken at a whim. So either you have a system of gerrymandering in House elections and the Republicans starting with a 3 million head start seems to lead to gay people having their rights endangered anyway.

It's always funny when people give reasons why the system needs to be unfair, claiming it's to protect things that aren't being protected.

The system doesn't work.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Ah, a person who hates democracy.

Pure Democracy is 2 other kids deciding they own your bike.

Not being snarky. Perhaps you will explain that to me or point me in the direction of a book or two?

Two rule over one, the one has no voice or representation.
So we have the EC to correct that.
Pure Democracy is mob rule.

Too many people are using the term "mob rule" for it to be a coincidence. I reckon it's the kock brothers up to no good.

You have to choose politicians somehow. Why is "mob rule" better than a system of gerrymandering and some people get a voice and other people don't?

Anyone who spends five minutes looking at Proportional Representation will realize it's a far superior system.

The problem is some people look at it and decide it goes against THEIR INTERESTS, especially the rich.

You do realize that the rich are the smallest minority of all.

Well... that could be debatable, but it's hardly something that is born into your blood.

The problem is the rich control the system. Not mob rule, monopoly rule.

 

[OKTexas]

Aww. Mob rule just eludes the heck out of ya, eh?

Ah, a person who hates democracy.

So did the founders, he's in good company.

.

The Founding Fathers didn't necessarily hate democracy. They just lived in a different time. When Democracy had been extremely limited at that time.
They had been a part of the British Empire where voting was limited to rich people.
Going from that to full out Proportional Representation would have caused problems.

The modern world has changed and the Founding Fathers allowed for the Constitution to change so that it could meet the needs of the contemporary world.

This doesn't mean they hated Democracy. It means they understood that the world wasn't ready for it at that time.

They regarded democracy as mere mob rule. Which it is. The founders believed, and rightly so, that in a democracy the majority could dispossess a minority of any right, any property, at whim.

What's the difference between one person, one vote, and some people getting more power with their vote than others?

The difference is that candidates will only pay special attention to those who hold the votes.

So, in presidential elections they only care about 12 states, screw everyone else, they're not important.

The WHOLE POINT of Democracy is that everyone gets noticed. That it's fair.

The whole point of the US system is that rights can't be taken at a whim. So either you have a system of gerrymandering in House elections and the Republicans starting with a 3 million head start seems to lead to gay people having their rights endangered anyway.

It's always funny when people give reasons why the system needs to be unfair, claiming it's to protect things that aren't being protected.

The system doesn't work.

Saying something is unfair doesn't make it so. If the federal leviathan was placed back in it's original box, people would concentrate on their State elections, because the States were intended to have more direct effect on their lives.

.

 

[Doc1]

Note, this topic is not about Cuba.

A new dawn for Cuba? The draft constitution explained


"Dear Donald Trump: A letter from Cuba
"The US objection, the Trump administration's objection, to Cuba is that it's not a multi-party democracy like the United States and the Cuban constitution doesn't change that, in fact the new constitution reaffirms the single-party system with the Communist Party in the leading role," said William LeoGrande, a professor in the School of Public Affairs at the American University."

So, the Trump administration which was not elected through much in the way of democracy, in a system which limits political parties, is complaining about a country with a system that doesn't have democracy and limits political parties.

It's funny how the US goes around doing this.

Not much has changed

Bush says U.S. must spread democracy

"Bush says U.S. must spread democracy"

A second leader who was elected not with proper democracy calling for a spread of democracy around the world.

The US has an unfair Electoral College system which is fit only for the 18th century.

It has House elections which are often so gerrymandered it's ridiculous and pointless for many people to even vote.

How much hypocrisy can the US spread?

You suck some Castro dick?

 

[OKTexas]

Pure Democracy is 2 other kids deciding they own your bike.

Not being snarky. Perhaps you will explain that to me or point me in the direction of a book or two?

Two rule over one, the one has no voice or representation.
So we have the EC to correct that.
Pure Democracy is mob rule.

Too many people are using the term "mob rule" for it to be a coincidence. I reckon it's the kock brothers up to no good.

You have to choose politicians somehow. Why is "mob rule" better than a system of gerrymandering and some people get a voice and other people don't?

Anyone who spends five minutes looking at Proportional Representation will realize it's a far superior system.

The problem is some people look at it and decide it goes against THEIR INTERESTS, especially the rich.

You do realize that the rich are the smallest minority of all.

Well... that could be debatable, but it's hardly something that is born into your blood.

The problem is the rich control the system. Not mob rule, monopoly rule.

When you concentrate all the power, it makes it easy to buy and sell. Decentralize the power as the founders intended and you put a stop to most of that shit.

.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Aww. Mob rule just eludes the heck out of ya, eh?

Ah, a person who hates democracy.

So did the founders, he's in good company.

.

The Founding Fathers didn't necessarily hate democracy. They just lived in a different time. When Democracy had been extremely limited at that time.
They had been a part of the British Empire where voting was limited to rich people.
Going from that to full out Proportional Representation would have caused problems.

The modern world has changed and the Founding Fathers allowed for the Constitution to change so that it could meet the needs of the contemporary world.

This doesn't mean they hated Democracy. It means they understood that the world wasn't ready for it at that time.

They regarded democracy as mere mob rule. Which it is. The founders believed, and rightly so, that in a democracy the majority could dispossess a minority of any right, any property, at whim.

What's the difference between one person, one vote, and some people getting more power with their vote than others?

The difference is that candidates will only pay special attention to those who hold the votes.

So, in presidential elections they only care about 12 states, screw everyone else, they're not important.

The WHOLE POINT of Democracy is that everyone gets noticed. That it's fair.

The whole point of the US system is that rights can't be taken at a whim. So either you have a system of gerrymandering in House elections and the Republicans starting with a 3 million head start seems to lead to gay people having their rights endangered anyway.

It's always funny when people give reasons why the system needs to be unfair, claiming it's to protect things that aren't being protected.

The system doesn't work.

It works great, and has for 237 years.

It just doesn't work for what you people want.