Universal Healthcare - will not work in the US

[Polishprince]

Idiot. An additional $3trn. You’re so freaking dumb. Get out of this thread.

You're clearly confused.

You do know how to do simple math, right?

What is $3.5trillion x 10?

Is that number larger or smaller than $30Trillion?

You Dumbass it would be an additional $30trn. You’re an idiot.

Umm no. I mean, go ahead and provide a source for this, but you're just wrong.

How Much Will Medicare for All Cost?

Representative Pramila Jayapal (D-WA), a co-chair of the Medicare for All Caucus, released a bill today that would adopt a single-payer system, where the federal government replaces private health insurance companies as the sole provider of most health care financing. While we are not aware of any estimates of this particular proposal, similar proposals have been estimated to cost the federal government roughly $28-32 trillion over a decade.

How much will the current system of healthcare cost the American people over the same period?

Well at our current rate of $3.5Trillion/year x 10 years = $35 Trillion Dollars or more than what the estimates are for Medicare for All

Multiple by at least a factor of 3 for the real cost. There has never been such a big program coming in at budget.

Once people realize medicare is "free", demand for services will go through the roof.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Idiot. An additional $3trn. You’re so freaking dumb. Get out of this thread.

You're clearly confused.

You do know how to do simple math, right?

What is $3.5trillion x 10?

Is that number larger or smaller than $30Trillion?

You Dumbass it would be an additional $30trn. You’re an idiot.

Umm no. I mean, go ahead and provide a source for this, but you're just wrong.

How Much Will Medicare for All Cost?

Representative Pramila Jayapal (D-WA), a co-chair of the Medicare for All Caucus, released a bill today that would adopt a single-payer system, where the federal government replaces private health insurance companies as the sole provider of most health care financing. While we are not aware of any estimates of this particular proposal, similar proposals have been estimated to cost the federal government roughly $28-32 trillion over a decade.

Links to similar proposals please.

https://www.sanders.senate.gov/download/options-to-finance-medicare-for-all?inline=file

Thank you. The paper seems to be something released by Sen. Sanders, after my brief and fast reading of the document.

Is that correct?

 

[Richard-H]

Canada is a Democracy. If Canadian healthcare is so terrible, why don't the Canadian people choose to privatize it?

Don't know, don't care, I don't live in Canada.

Then you shouldn't be part of this discussion.

This thread pertains to universal healthcare in the U.S., not in Canada. If Canada is used as an example then Canada is on the table. So...STFU.

In discussing the possibility of socialized healthcare in the U.S., comparisons with Canada and other socialized countries are VERY pertinent to this discussion.

You just don't want those comparisons made because they make the American healthcare industry look like crap!

Typical fricken liberal, using Canada as a comparison is fine, asking why they don't privatize and suggesting they feel their system is so great that they won't privatize is bullshit.

The what's your explanation as to why they don't privatize? The Canadian deep state?

 

[Richard-H]

You're clearly confused.

You do know how to do simple math, right?

What is $3.5trillion x 10?

Is that number larger or smaller than $30Trillion?

You Dumbass it would be an additional $30trn. You’re an idiot.

Umm no. I mean, go ahead and provide a source for this, but you're just wrong.

How Much Will Medicare for All Cost?

Representative Pramila Jayapal (D-WA), a co-chair of the Medicare for All Caucus, released a bill today that would adopt a single-payer system, where the federal government replaces private health insurance companies as the sole provider of most health care financing. While we are not aware of any estimates of this particular proposal, similar proposals have been estimated to cost the federal government roughly $28-32 trillion over a decade.

How much will the current system of healthcare cost the American people over the same period?

Well at our current rate of $3.5Trillion/year x 10 years = $35 Trillion Dollars or more than what the estimates are for Medicare for All

Multiple by at least a factor of 3 for the real cost. There has never been such a big program coming in at budget.

Once people realize medicare is "free", demand for services will go through the roof.

You mean that people will intentionally have health problem just to cash in?

ROFLMAO!

 

[BrokeLoser]

1. Too many people are ingrained with private insurance.
2. Education is not free. Becoming a doctor is expensive, they want to get paid and pay off potential student loans. Working for the Gov't does not do that.
3. Private pay provides better care. Even in Europe, the wealthy go that route.
4. Most logical people (on both sides of the aisle) agree with #1 and #2 and #3.

Candidates Who Attacked Warren Over 'Medicare For All' Draw Massive Fundraising Boost

Our system sucks and repubs have nothing to offer. We will likely get universal healthcare eventually. Other countries have shown it can be much cheaper.

Let me ask you this beggar.
How many of those counties that you speak of have a population where 1/3 is comprised of thirdworlders with illegal roots?
How many of those countries that you speak of have a citizenry where 50% do not contribute to the treasury?

Oh look, the Mr."everything that is wrong with the world can be traced back to dark skin" is here.

I challenge you...name three significant problems we have this nation that you don’t see thirdworlders sitting at the root of...I’m standing by....GO!

I'll do even better, I'll tell you about the only problem that really matters in this country and it has nothing to do with brown people.

1) Money owns our government and policy decisions through corporate lobbyists and donations

1. Too many people are ingrained with private insurance.
2. Education is not free. Becoming a doctor is expensive, they want to get paid and pay off potential student loans. Working for the Gov't does not do that.
3. Private pay provides better care. Even in Europe, the wealthy go that route.
4. Most logical people (on both sides of the aisle) agree with #1 and #2 and #3.

Candidates Who Attacked Warren Over 'Medicare For All' Draw Massive Fundraising Boost

Our system sucks and repubs have nothing to offer. We will likely get universal healthcare eventually. Other countries have shown it can be much cheaper.

Let me ask you this beggar.
How many of those counties that you speak of have a population where 1/3 is comprised of thirdworlders with illegal roots?
How many of those countries that you speak of have a citizenry where 50% do not contribute to the treasury?

Oh look, the Mr."everything that is wrong with the world can be traced back to dark skin" is here.

I challenge you...name three significant problems we have this nation that you don’t see thirdworlders sitting at the root of...I’m standing by....GO!

1. Trump
2. Trump's Supporters
3. Murdoch's Media.

Your theories and opinions are fun...now pull your heads from your asses and use your peanut brains.

 

[RDD_1210]

You're clearly confused.

You do know how to do simple math, right?

What is $3.5trillion x 10?

Is that number larger or smaller than $30Trillion?

You Dumbass it would be an additional $30trn. You’re an idiot.

Umm no. I mean, go ahead and provide a source for this, but you're just wrong.

How Much Will Medicare for All Cost?

Representative Pramila Jayapal (D-WA), a co-chair of the Medicare for All Caucus, released a bill today that would adopt a single-payer system, where the federal government replaces private health insurance companies as the sole provider of most health care financing. While we are not aware of any estimates of this particular proposal, similar proposals have been estimated to cost the federal government roughly $28-32 trillion over a decade.

How much will the current system of healthcare cost the American people over the same period?

Well at our current rate of $3.5Trillion/year x 10 years = $35 Trillion Dollars or more than what the estimates are for Medicare for All

For 2018 healthcare cost $3.65 trillion. It is fair to say that at the current rate of growth healthcare costs will double over the next ten years - for an average of $5.5 trillion per year. That's a total cost of $55 trillion - about double the cost of government provided healthcare (by your numbers which are probably biased against government provided healthcare).

Or are you going to argue that healthcare costs will not go up? Seriously?

I think you're confused about my position. I agree with you. Our current costs are more than what a Medicare for All system could cost us.

 

[RDD_1210]

You're clearly confused.

You do know how to do simple math, right?

What is $3.5trillion x 10?

Is that number larger or smaller than $30Trillion?

You Dumbass it would be an additional $30trn. You’re an idiot.

Umm no. I mean, go ahead and provide a source for this, but you're just wrong.

How Much Will Medicare for All Cost?

Representative Pramila Jayapal (D-WA), a co-chair of the Medicare for All Caucus, released a bill today that would adopt a single-payer system, where the federal government replaces private health insurance companies as the sole provider of most health care financing. While we are not aware of any estimates of this particular proposal, similar proposals have been estimated to cost the federal government roughly $28-32 trillion over a decade.

Links to similar proposals please.

https://www.sanders.senate.gov/download/options-to-finance-medicare-for-all?inline=file

Thank you. The paper seems to be something released by Sen. Sanders, after my brief and fast reading of the document.

Is that correct?

This does seem to be the case.

 

[RDD_1210]

Our system sucks and repubs have nothing to offer. We will likely get universal healthcare eventually. Other countries have shown it can be much cheaper.

Let me ask you this beggar.
How many of those counties that you speak of have a population where 1/3 is comprised of thirdworlders with illegal roots?
How many of those countries that you speak of have a citizenry where 50% do not contribute to the treasury?

Oh look, the Mr."everything that is wrong with the world can be traced back to dark skin" is here.

I challenge you...name three significant problems we have this nation that you don’t see thirdworlders sitting at the root of...I’m standing by....GO!

I'll do even better, I'll tell you about the only problem that really matters in this country and it has nothing to do with brown people.

1) Money owns our government and policy decisions through corporate lobbyists and donations

Our system sucks and repubs have nothing to offer. We will likely get universal healthcare eventually. Other countries have shown it can be much cheaper.

Let me ask you this beggar.
How many of those counties that you speak of have a population where 1/3 is comprised of thirdworlders with illegal roots?
How many of those countries that you speak of have a citizenry where 50% do not contribute to the treasury?

Oh look, the Mr."everything that is wrong with the world can be traced back to dark skin" is here.

I challenge you...name three significant problems we have this nation that you don’t see thirdworlders sitting at the root of...I’m standing by....GO!

1. Trump
2. Trump's Supporters
3. Murdoch's Media.

Your theories and opinions are fun...now pull your heads from your asses and use your peanut brains.

Your little exercise backfired there. Didnt it?

 

[Polishprince]

You Dumbass it would be an additional $30trn. You’re an idiot.

Umm no. I mean, go ahead and provide a source for this, but you're just wrong.

How Much Will Medicare for All Cost?

Representative Pramila Jayapal (D-WA), a co-chair of the Medicare for All Caucus, released a bill today that would adopt a single-payer system, where the federal government replaces private health insurance companies as the sole provider of most health care financing. While we are not aware of any estimates of this particular proposal, similar proposals have been estimated to cost the federal government roughly $28-32 trillion over a decade.

How much will the current system of healthcare cost the American people over the same period?

Well at our current rate of $3.5Trillion/year x 10 years = $35 Trillion Dollars or more than what the estimates are for Medicare for All

Multiple by at least a factor of 3 for the real cost. There has never been such a big program coming in at budget.

Once people realize medicare is "free", demand for services will go through the roof.

You mean that people will intentionally have health problem just to cash in?

ROFLMAO!

They will intentionally pretend to so they can get a scrip for opioids or sedatives or other psychoactive drugs. And there are people out there who enjoy the attention of having elective surgeries like Sex Changes.

 

[Richard-H]

Umm no. I mean, go ahead and provide a source for this, but you're just wrong.

How Much Will Medicare for All Cost?

Representative Pramila Jayapal (D-WA), a co-chair of the Medicare for All Caucus, released a bill today that would adopt a single-payer system, where the federal government replaces private health insurance companies as the sole provider of most health care financing. While we are not aware of any estimates of this particular proposal, similar proposals have been estimated to cost the federal government roughly $28-32 trillion over a decade.

How much will the current system of healthcare cost the American people over the same period?

Well at our current rate of $3.5Trillion/year x 10 years = $35 Trillion Dollars or more than what the estimates are for Medicare for All

Multiple by at least a factor of 3 for the real cost. There has never been such a big program coming in at budget.

Once people realize medicare is "free", demand for services will go through the roof.

You mean that people will intentionally have health problem just to cash in?

ROFLMAO!

They will intentionally pretend to so they can get a scrip for opioids or sedatives or other psychoactive drugs. And there are people out there who enjoy the attention of having elective surgeries like Sex Changes.

So you're saying that you'd like to have your dick cut off if only it were free?

 

[Polishprince]

How much will the current system of healthcare cost the American people over the same period?

Well at our current rate of $3.5Trillion/year x 10 years = $35 Trillion Dollars or more than what the estimates are for Medicare for All

Multiple by at least a factor of 3 for the real cost. There has never been such a big program coming in at budget.

Once people realize medicare is "free", demand for services will go through the roof.

You mean that people will intentionally have health problem just to cash in?

ROFLMAO!

They will intentionally pretend to so they can get a scrip for opioids or sedatives or other psychoactive drugs. And there are people out there who enjoy the attention of having elective surgeries like Sex Changes.

So you're saying that you'd like to have your dick cut off if only it were free?

I wouldn't. But there are people who would and actually do.

Sex Changes are paid for medicaid recipients in some states.

 

[Richard-H]

Well at our current rate of $3.5Trillion/year x 10 years = $35 Trillion Dollars or more than what the estimates are for Medicare for All

Multiple by at least a factor of 3 for the real cost. There has never been such a big program coming in at budget.

Once people realize medicare is "free", demand for services will go through the roof.

You mean that people will intentionally have health problem just to cash in?

ROFLMAO!

They will intentionally pretend to so they can get a scrip for opioids or sedatives or other psychoactive drugs. And there are people out there who enjoy the attention of having elective surgeries like Sex Changes.

So you're saying that you'd like to have your dick cut off if only it were free?

I wouldn't. But there are people who would and actually do.

Sex Changes are paid for medicaid recipients in some states.

The number of people that want sex change operations is so small that it shouldn't even be considered in the discussion of socialized healthcare.

I'm not crazy about unneeded procedures, but those costs are miniscule as compared with the needed procedures.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Let me ask you this beggar.
How many of those counties that you speak of have a population where 1/3 is comprised of thirdworlders with illegal roots?
How many of those countries that you speak of have a citizenry where 50% do not contribute to the treasury?

Oh look, the Mr."everything that is wrong with the world can be traced back to dark skin" is here.

I challenge you...name three significant problems we have this nation that you don’t see thirdworlders sitting at the root of...I’m standing by....GO!

I'll do even better, I'll tell you about the only problem that really matters in this country and it has nothing to do with brown people.

1) Money owns our government and policy decisions through corporate lobbyists and donations

Let me ask you this beggar.
How many of those counties that you speak of have a population where 1/3 is comprised of thirdworlders with illegal roots?
How many of those countries that you speak of have a citizenry where 50% do not contribute to the treasury?

Oh look, the Mr."everything that is wrong with the world can be traced back to dark skin" is here.

I challenge you...name three significant problems we have this nation that you don’t see thirdworlders sitting at the root of...I’m standing by....GO!

1. Trump
2. Trump's Supporters
3. Murdoch's Media.

Your theories and opinions are fun...now pull your heads from your asses and use your peanut brains.

Your little exercise backfired there. Didnt it?

Only in your tiny little brain…Where your twisted opinion trumps reality and facts.

 

[impuretrash]

Multiple by at least a factor of 3 for the real cost. There has never been such a big program coming in at budget.

Once people realize medicare is "free", demand for services will go through the roof.

You mean that people will intentionally have health problem just to cash in?

ROFLMAO!

They will intentionally pretend to so they can get a scrip for opioids or sedatives or other psychoactive drugs. And there are people out there who enjoy the attention of having elective surgeries like Sex Changes.

So you're saying that you'd like to have your dick cut off if only it were free?

I wouldn't. But there are people who would and actually do.

Sex Changes are paid for medicaid recipients in some states.

The number of people that want sex change operations is so small that it shouldn't even be considered in the discussion of socialized healthcare.

I'm not crazy about unneeded procedures, but those costs are miniscule as compared with the needed procedures.

Yeah but delusional transgenders have a disproportionate amount of sway in the national discussion.

 

[Brain357]

And they can go bankrupt too. Those uninsured help increase costs for everyone else, I want people to be healthy so they can take care of themselves. So they can work.

If they work they can get insurance through their employer or through the ACA.

If they can afford it. And thats a big if in this country. Many working can’t.

And those we should help. Why throw 150mil who can afford it off their plans? Also why can I not get free plumbing? Without heat I can die in the winter time?

Choose to rent and they will handle your plumbing,

Choose a strong employer and they will cover your insurance. Hell, I hear Home Depot has very good insurance.

Next....

That’s not a reality. The reality is that it’s very expensive for most,

 

[Brain357]

There is no question it is cheaper. Our healthcare is the most expensive in the world.

It is the best in the world. I agree that our system is broken because of numerous administrator costs and such.

We don’t rank the best. But the care is good, the cost is huge. I’m open to ideas. But markets don’t work for healthcare. So universal seems to be the only answer.

Actually, markets do work for healthcare. Not every doctor is just as competent, not every treatment is just as tremendous for every illness. Considering the facts that medical equipment and tremendous doctors are limited resources, how would you suggest rationing them?

In a "universal" system, where everyone has the same coverage and there is no private coverage, how do you determine who gets to have their surgery done by the Harvey Cushings or Ben Carsons of America, and who has to go to see the Nick Rivieras and Vincent Boombatzes?

Markets do not work. Nobody in an ambulance has ever called around for the best deal.

Most medical care isn't done on an emergency basis. Most of the time you call for an appointment at a mutually convenient time.

The emergency care and life saving care is driving costs up. And nobody needing life saving care shops for price. People don’t want budget heart surgery.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

You Dumbass it would be an additional $30trn. You’re an idiot.

Umm no. I mean, go ahead and provide a source for this, but you're just wrong.

How Much Will Medicare for All Cost?

Representative Pramila Jayapal (D-WA), a co-chair of the Medicare for All Caucus, released a bill today that would adopt a single-payer system, where the federal government replaces private health insurance companies as the sole provider of most health care financing. While we are not aware of any estimates of this particular proposal, similar proposals have been estimated to cost the federal government roughly $28-32 trillion over a decade.

How much will the current system of healthcare cost the American people over the same period?

Well at our current rate of $3.5Trillion/year x 10 years = $35 Trillion Dollars or more than what the estimates are for Medicare for All

For 2018 healthcare cost $3.65 trillion. It is fair to say that at the current rate of growth healthcare costs will double over the next ten years - for an average of $5.5 trillion per year. That's a total cost of $55 trillion - about double the cost of government provided healthcare (by your numbers which are probably biased against government provided healthcare).

Or are you going to argue that healthcare costs will not go up? Seriously?

I think you're confused about my position. I agree with you. Our current costs are more than what a Medicare for All system could cost us.

Bullshit

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

If they work they can get insurance through their employer or through the ACA.

If they can afford it. And thats a big if in this country. Many working can’t.

And those we should help. Why throw 150mil who can afford it off their plans? Also why can I not get free plumbing? Without heat I can die in the winter time?

Choose to rent and they will handle your plumbing,

Choose a strong employer and they will cover your insurance. Hell, I hear Home Depot has very good insurance.

Next....

That’s not a reality. The reality is that it’s very expensive for most,

Define “very expensive” and why would UH be less expensive when we don’t have strong immigration controls?

 

[Brain357]

If they can afford it. And thats a big if in this country. Many working can’t.

And those we should help. Why throw 150mil who can afford it off their plans? Also why can I not get free plumbing? Without heat I can die in the winter time?

Choose to rent and they will handle your plumbing,

Choose a strong employer and they will cover your insurance. Hell, I hear Home Depot has very good insurance.

Next....

That’s not a reality. The reality is that it’s very expensive for most,

Define “very expensive” and why would UH be less expensive when we don’t have strong immigration controls?

Are you not aware that healthcare costs have skyrocketed? Many go bankrupt from healthcare costs?

This is the real reason most Americans file for bankruptcy

UH is less expensive, our system now is the most expensive in the world.

For the record I think what we need now is affordable healthcare done in a bi partisan effort. It’s seems unlikely we will get that however.

 

[RDD_1210]

Oh look, the Mr."everything that is wrong with the world can be traced back to dark skin" is here.

I challenge you...name three significant problems we have this nation that you don’t see thirdworlders sitting at the root of...I’m standing by....GO!

I'll do even better, I'll tell you about the only problem that really matters in this country and it has nothing to do with brown people.

1) Money owns our government and policy decisions through corporate lobbyists and donations

Oh look, the Mr."everything that is wrong with the world can be traced back to dark skin" is here.

I challenge you...name three significant problems we have this nation that you don’t see thirdworlders sitting at the root of...I’m standing by....GO!

1. Trump
2. Trump's Supporters
3. Murdoch's Media.

Your theories and opinions are fun...now pull your heads from your asses and use your peanut brains.

Your little exercise backfired there. Didnt it?

Only in your tiny little brain…Where your twisted opinion trumps reality and facts.

Coming from a racist like you, I'll take that as a compliment.