Under obamacare ER visits will be prohibited

[daveman]

The intention of the law is to force hospitals one way or the other....keep them...or pay a fine. The bottom line it is all about patients receiving care they cannot pay for.

Remember....this is about obamacare.... and not about paying customers. I don't blame hospitals for moving out patients who cannot pay as soon as they can. Its a money loser for them.

I simply disagree.

I think it's a good thing. Most bounce backs are preventable, by either doing the proper follow up with patients or not early releasing those who aren't ready yet.

And who is to say....they are ready? The patient or the doctor? Ever think the "preventible infections" you speak of are due to patients not taking their meds when they get home? Should a hospital be responsible if a patient does not follow orders?

Pffft. Don't you know that bureaucrats know more about healthcare than medical professionals?

 

[daveman]

Under provisions of obamacare, if you get discharged from the hospital and have a complication, you won't get seen in an emergency room.

More than 2,200 hospitals face penalties under ObamaCare rules | Fox News

A provision of ObamaCare is set to punish roughly two-thirds of U.S. hospitals starting this fall over high readmission rates, according to an analysis by Kaiser Health News.
Starting in October, Medicare will reduce reimbursements to hospitals with high 30-day readmission rates -- which refers to patients who return within a month -- by as much as 1 percent. The maximum penalty increases to 2 percent the following year and 3 percent in 2014.
Doctors are concerned the penalty is unfair, since sometimes they have to accept patients more than once in a brief period of time but could be penalized for doing so -- even for accepting seniors who are sick.
"Among patients with heart failure, hospitals that have higher readmission rates actually have lower mortality rates," said Sunil Kripalani, MD, a professor with Vanderbilt University Medical Center who studies hospital readmissions. "So, which would we rather have -- a hospital readmission or a death?"

obama's answer, he'd rather have a death.

you mean like the GOP "House" trying to pass a law to absolve hospitals of liability for letting women die by not giving them a life-saving abortion or even directing them to someplace where one would be performed? that kind of death?

or does it not count because it's only a woman?

thanks for playing.

How many people will that affect?

 

[daveman]

This topic never ceases to amaze me. Faux news babbles something about ACA dropping hospitals that care more for the dollar than they do for your health, and you right wingnuts come out in droves.

Yes, healthcare should be free, because doctors, nurses, lab techs, and all healthcare professionals don't work for money, and hospital buildings and equipment don't cost anything.

 

[Katzndogz]

How many women have died because they didn't have a lifesaving abortion? Suppose we give abortions to all women who will die if they don't have an abortion and prohibit women who want an abortion so they can go on vacation and fit in a bikini.

 

[Katzndogz]

This topic never ceases to amaze me. Faux news babbles something about ACA dropping hospitals that care more for the dollar than they do for your health, and you right wingnuts come out in droves.

Yes, healthcare should be free, because doctors, nurses, lab techs, and all healthcare professionals don't work for money, and hospital buildings and equipment don't cost anything.

If doctors and nurses really cared, they wouldn't charge in the first place. The obamatax on medical devices will ensure that they aren't available anyway.

 

[daveman]

How many women have died because they didn't have a lifesaving abortion? Suppose we give abortions to all women who will die if they don't have an abortion and prohibit women who want an abortion so they can go on vacation and fit in a bikini.

Having to miss cosmetology school because you have a bastard to raise because you couldn't be bothered to keep from getting pregnant is apparently a life-ending event.

 

[daveman]

This topic never ceases to amaze me. Faux news babbles something about ACA dropping hospitals that care more for the dollar than they do for your health, and you right wingnuts come out in droves.

Yes, healthcare should be free, because doctors, nurses, lab techs, and all healthcare professionals don't work for money, and hospital buildings and equipment don't cost anything.

If doctors and nurses really cared, they wouldn't charge in the first place. The obamatax on medical devices will ensure that they aren't available anyway.

Doctors and nurses gotta buy groceries too. And Kroger doesn't accept a smug feeling as payment for a cart full of food.

 

[rightwinger]

Amazing how stupid rightwing propaganda can be

Right up there with Death Panels

 

[auditor0007]

Maybe you should do some independent research on reasons for high readmission rates.

Don't care.

obama intends to force people who need emergency care to die in the streets, right at the ER door. It's part of his rationing scheme.

The premise of your argument is stupid to say the least. This has nothing to do with rationing care. If you think it does, than you are a dope.

 

[auditor0007]

Amazing how stupid rightwing propaganda can be

Right up there with Death Panels

Some of the stupid stuff these people come up with is just amazing. I thought they all had private educations, so they were smarter than that. I guess those private educations didn't pay off after all.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

That's not malpractice. It is medicare fraud which we should be used to by now since the government pays so little for care, medical providers have to make it up in fraud.

Sending someone home who is in need of emergency services is medical malpractice and may be against the law.

So, they will simply lie. They won't send someone home knowing the person will die. They won't admit someone under circumstances that will result in a massive fine. They will lie. They won't say someone had a subsequent stroke, it will be headaches. Chest pain for a prior heart attack victim will be stomach pain.

Not admitting someone to emergency treatment to avoid paying a fine to their insurance company is medical malpractice. Lying about someone's medical condition to avoid paying a fine to their insurance company is criminal insurance fraud.

The government has already created the necessity for a massive fraud by refusing to pay for tests that were given, until the bill is padded with tests that were never given. Medicare reimbursement for an MRI might be $12.00.

It might be? I'm sorry, am I supposed to be engaged in an argument in which the facts are taken to be whatever you, my opponent, thinks they "might" be?

EDIT: It isn't $12.00. It took me all of 60 seconds to use something called the internet to find out you're wrong by a factor of around 30 or so. But hey, why don't we just keep going with your made up facts? I'd hate to have to impose the burden of reality on you.

So the hospital charges for an MRI, CT scan, and anything else they can throw in there. Now you see reports that medicare fraud is in the billions of dollars. Sure. They have to. There's no choice. The government starts out being unfair, now they will get even more unfair resulting in yet more fraud.

No one is forcing any hospital to accept Medicare. If you don't like the deal a patient's insurance company offers you, stop accepting that insurance.

 

[LilOlLady]

Under provisions of obamacare, if you get discharged from the hospital and have a complication, you won't get seen in an emergency room.

More than 2,200 hospitals face penalties under ObamaCare rules | Fox News

A provision of ObamaCare is set to punish roughly two-thirds of U.S. hospitals starting this fall over high readmission rates, according to an analysis by Kaiser Health News.
Starting in October, Medicare will reduce reimbursements to hospitals with high 30-day readmission rates -- which refers to patients who return within a month -- by as much as 1 percent. The maximum penalty increases to 2 percent the following year and 3 percent in 2014.
Doctors are concerned the penalty is unfair, since sometimes they have to accept patients more than once in a brief period of time but could be penalized for doing so -- even for accepting seniors who are sick.
"Among patients with heart failure, hospitals that have higher readmission rates actually have lower mortality rates," said Sunil Kripalani, MD, a professor with Vanderbilt University Medical Center who studies hospital readmissions. "So, which would we rather have -- a hospital readmission or a death?"

obama's answer, he'd rather have a death.

It is inconceivable that anyone can be so incredible stupid.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Under provisions of obamacare, if you get discharged from the hospital and have a complication, you won't get seen in an emergency room.

More than 2,200 hospitals face penalties under ObamaCare rules | Fox News

A provision of ObamaCare is set to punish roughly two-thirds of U.S. hospitals starting this fall over high readmission rates, according to an analysis by Kaiser Health News.
Starting in October, Medicare will reduce reimbursements to hospitals with high 30-day readmission rates -- which refers to patients who return within a month -- by as much as 1 percent. The maximum penalty increases to 2 percent the following year and 3 percent in 2014.
Doctors are concerned the penalty is unfair, since sometimes they have to accept patients more than once in a brief period of time but could be penalized for doing so -- even for accepting seniors who are sick.
"Among patients with heart failure, hospitals that have higher readmission rates actually have lower mortality rates," said Sunil Kripalani, MD, a professor with Vanderbilt University Medical Center who studies hospital readmissions. "So, which would we rather have -- a hospital readmission or a death?"

obama's answer, he'd rather have a death.

It is inconceivable that anyone can be so incredible stupid.

1) its "incredibly" stupid, stupid!!

2) his point is well taken. Think of the USSR. When the government runs an industry rather than the laws of supply and demand you have huge waiting lines and shortages. This is our future with Barry the socialist in charge

 

[geauxtohell]

When someone has a heart attack and is discharged, then 28 days later has another, the hospital can just tell him "We made a mistake in discharging you too early, but we can't readmit you so go home, take an aspirin and hope for the best."

If a person has a heart attack, and is admitted, and has another heart attack 28 days later (assuming they got a stint); someone fucked up - and it could be the patient if they didn't take their plavix.

I'll spare you the details

 

[Polk]

Maybe you should do some independent research on reasons for high readmission rates.

Don't care.

obama intends to force people who need emergency care to die in the streets, right at the ER door. It's part of his rationing scheme.

Except that's not even remotely what the article states.

 

[Polk]

Costs to get in the ER are so high now, i can imagine what they'll be when this takes effect....does anyone think the hospitals are going to not pass these costs on to the patient? Most people wouldn't be able to even go to the ER anymore! Except the ones that don't have to pay anyway, because we do it for them!

Not for illegals, they always get treated for free.

This provision doesn't address costs. It punishes hospitals that readmit patients to an Emergency Room within 30 days. Hospitals just won't admit patients who have been discharged within 30 days prior. They will send them home to die.

1. It does address costs because it gives hospitals incentives to improve practices so that they don't have high readmission rates.
2. Hospitals aren't going to turn patients away because of it. Having your payment rate fall is nothing compared to the liability from turning away patients.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

1. It does address costs because it gives hospitals incentives to improve practices so that they don't have high readmission rates.

dear, under capitalism the incentive is to beat the competition or go bankrupt and that is often barely enough!!

see why we are 100% positive a liberal will be slow, so very very slow. Have you no shame?

 

[HUGGY]

Under provisions of obamacare, if you get discharged from the hospital and have a complication, you won't get seen in an emergency room.

More than 2,200 hospitals face penalties under ObamaCare rules | Fox News

A provision of ObamaCare is set to punish roughly two-thirds of U.S. hospitals starting this fall over high readmission rates, according to an analysis by Kaiser Health News.
Starting in October, Medicare will reduce reimbursements to hospitals with high 30-day readmission rates -- which refers to patients who return within a month -- by as much as 1 percent. The maximum penalty increases to 2 percent the following year and 3 percent in 2014.
Doctors are concerned the penalty is unfair, since sometimes they have to accept patients more than once in a brief period of time but could be penalized for doing so -- even for accepting seniors who are sick.
"Among patients with heart failure, hospitals that have higher readmission rates actually have lower mortality rates," said Sunil Kripalani, MD, a professor with Vanderbilt University Medical Center who studies hospital readmissions. "So, which would we rather have -- a hospital readmission or a death?"

obama's answer, he'd rather have a death.

It is inconceivable that anyone can be so incredible stupid.

1) its "incredibly" stupid, stupid!!

2) his point is well taken. Think of the USSR. When the government runs an industry rather than the laws of supply and demand you have huge waiting lines and shortages. This is our future with Barry the socialist in charge

Except for the teensy weensie problem in the S and D theory ...that there is no supply problem. We have plenty of hospitals and clinics and lots of doctors and nurses. People are not being turned away now...what makes any of you think that all of a sudden people will be turned away as we absorb Obamacare?

Fear monger much?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

It is inconceivable that anyone can be so incredible stupid.

1) its "incredibly" stupid, stupid!!

2) his point is well taken. Think of the USSR. When the government runs an industry rather than the laws of supply and demand you have huge waiting lines and shortages. This is our future with Barry the socialist in charge

Except for the teensy weensie problem in the S and D theory ...that there is no supply problem. We have plenty of hospitals and clinics and lots of doctors and nurses. People are not being turned away now...what makes any of you think that all of a sudden people will be turned away as we absorb Obamacare?

Fear monger much?

1) 85% of MD's say they are thinking of leaving the profession

2) fewer will go into the profession as the baby boom retires because Barry care will drastically cut their wages and dictate what they do.

3) Barry just put 35 million on Medicaid

4) all 45 million without insurance will soon have it!!!


See why we are 100% certain a liberal will be slow, oh so very very slow!!!

 

[geauxtohell]

1) 85% of MD's say they are thinking of leaving the profession

Wrong.