Umm, do USMB Republicans understand that the Keystone pipeline will only create 35 permanent jobs?

And so fucking what? It takes hundreds of men and women to build a highway and how many permanent jobs result from the construction of that highway?

Does that negate the economic benefit to those construction workers on the highway?
when they're ultimately working for export to foreign countries and the inevitable tar sands spills? Yes.

Cripes you don't get it either!!!!!!!!!!!! Aye carumba!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:lol:

Keystone XL is a pipeline. A moving company if you will to move a product from point A to point B. They don't own the OIL for crying out loud.

They aren't refining the oil. They are just moving the bloody stuff to customers.

What your refineries decide to do with their finished product has nothing to do with the pipeline company.

And here's an FYI. A big FYI.

Will refined products from Keystone XL be exported?

It should be noted that Keystone XL transports crude oil, not refined products. TransCanada is an energy infrastructure company. We build energy infrastructure like pipelines, natural gas-fired power plants and wind farms.

We don’t actually extract or own a single molecule of oil or natural gas that we transport. We are contracted to build the infrastructure to safely deliver those molecules to their destination. We don’t own the oil we transport, much like a moving company doesn’t own your bed during a move.

With that being said, we can provide insight into what happens to those products when they are refined.

Crude oil is not exclusively used to produce gasoline

Crude oil is used to produce thousands of products that we use every day, not just gasoline and diesel. Crude oil feedstock is used to create the plastics that encase our cell phones and televisions, asphalt for our roads and even the latex gloves doctors use when delivering a baby.

The people suggesting that the oil Keystone XL will transport will be used to exclusively to make gasoline or diesel is simply a guess and they know that.

The United States consumes the vast majority of its refined products

The claim that “much of this oil is for export” is actually contrary to the facts, market analysis and what actual refiners and customers of Keystone XL have said.

The fact is the U.S. consumes the vast majority of all the refined products it produces. In 2012, only about 9% of U.S. refined on-road motor fuel was exported – the other 91 per cent was consumed in the United States first.

State Department’s finds Keystone XL won’t impact export trends

The State Department’s market analysis in Keystone XL’s final supplemental environmental impact statement states, “U.S. product exports are not sensitive to different scenarios of pipeline development.”

Essentially saying that exports occur (and have occurred for more than 20 years) with or without Keystone XL and the project would not impact those those trends.

What do our customers say?

Bill Day, spokesperson for oil refining company Valero, has told media that the export allegations are, “completely wrong” and that “Over the past several quarters, Valero has exported less than 10 per cent of the gasoline it makes.

The vast majority of what we make in the U.S. stays in the U.S.”

We also know that tens of thousands of jobs are tied to refining and creating the products we need and use every day. Supporting the domestic refining industry with more domestic oil at lower prices keeps the industry competitive,

Myths Facts Keystone XL Pipeline
How can these numbnuts laugh at "Politifact" yet believe everything "TransCanada" has to say?

You don't believe Union leaders?

"Union leaders say these projects provide jobs and stability for hundreds of people. For example, they say, their members who worked on the Gulf Coast Pipeline earned, on average, $134,000 per person.

"Which means they've got healthcare for another year, they've got a pension credit for when they retire," said Danny Hendrix, with the Local 798. "It means that those families have got healthcare, dental care--so it means a lot. It means they can make a house payment, it means they can send their kids to college."

Hendrix hopes these welders in training are next in line for similar paychecks."

Gulf Coast Pipeline Construction Creates Hundreds Of Jobs For Lo - NewsOn6.com - Tulsa OK - News Weather Video and Sports - KOTV.com
who cares how much it pays if all the upsides are outsourced and all the downsides are internalized such as spills and pollution & the ill health effects associated w/ them?

:trolls:
 
The pipes are imported from India and the CEO of Keystone said what? 50 permanent jobs. Real winner you got there Repubs :thup:

TransCanada CEO says 42 000 Keystone XL pipeline jobs are ongoing enduring PunditFact
Girling conceded that actual operating jobs top out at 50, but he said "that doesn’t include all of the other jobs that come with it." Referring to the same State Department report that Raddatz mentioned, Girling highlighted its finding for the project’s support of 42,000 "direct and indirect" jobs.

"For about two years," Raddatz cut in.

"No," Girling said, "the 42,000 jobs is in ongoing, enduring jobs."

Girling made it sound like the State Department’s estimate pertained to permanent -- or at least long-term -- jobs with his description of them as "ongoing, enduring."

But that is an inaccurate way to evaluate these job creation estimates.

Far Left Troll!

Is there something inaccurate in the post? I mean other than the Keystone guy fudging a jobs number by a factor of 1000 percent?

Yes the far left the is complaining about jobs being created or are you a far left drone as well with the same irony impairment?

That's not even an English sentence but I repeat: is there something inaccurate in the post, or not?
 
heres more from my politifact reference above:

Importantly, as Raddatz said, these jobs would only be supported during the construction phase, which is expected to take one to two years. After construction, the pipeline would employ about 50 people, primarily for maintenance.

And so fucking what? It takes hundreds of men and women to build a highway and how many permanent jobs result from the construction of that highway?

Does that negate the economic benefit to those construction workers on the highway?
when they're ultimately working for export to foreign countries and the inevitable tar sands spills? Yes.

We import millions of barrels of oil a day and you think we're going to just export this oil? LOL!

Idjit!


"We" aren't going to export it, because "we" don't handle oil. OIL COMPANIES handle oil. And yes, they're going to export it.
 
heres more from my politifact reference above:

Importantly, as Raddatz said, these jobs would only be supported during the construction phase, which is expected to take one to two years. After construction, the pipeline would employ about 50 people, primarily for maintenance.

And so fucking what? It takes hundreds of men and women to build a highway and how many permanent jobs result from the construction of that highway?

Does that negate the economic benefit to those construction workers on the highway?
when they're ultimately working for export to foreign countries and the inevitable tar sands spills? Yes.

We import millions of barrels of oil a day and you think we're going to just export this oil? LOL!

Idjit!


"We" aren't going to export it, because "we" don't handle oil. OIL COMPANIES handle oil. And yes, they're going to export it.

Yes, oil companies prefer to spend extra money to ship oil further, instead of selling it for higher profits here. LOL!
 
heres more from my politifact reference above:

And so fucking what? It takes hundreds of men and women to build a highway and how many permanent jobs result from the construction of that highway?

Does that negate the economic benefit to those construction workers on the highway?
when they're ultimately working for export to foreign countries and the inevitable tar sands spills? Yes.

We import millions of barrels of oil a day and you think we're going to just export this oil? LOL!

Idjit!


"We" aren't going to export it, because "we" don't handle oil. OIL COMPANIES handle oil. And yes, they're going to export it.

Yes, oil companies prefer to spend extra money to ship oil further, instead of selling it for higher profits here. LOL!


Not the way the oil bidness works. Sigh... :talktothehand:
 
The pipes are imported from India and the CEO of Keystone said what? 50 permanent jobs. Real winner you got there Repubs :thup:

TransCanada CEO says 42 000 Keystone XL pipeline jobs are ongoing enduring PunditFact
Girling conceded that actual operating jobs top out at 50, but he said "that doesn’t include all of the other jobs that come with it." Referring to the same State Department report that Raddatz mentioned, Girling highlighted its finding for the project’s support of 42,000 "direct and indirect" jobs.

"For about two years," Raddatz cut in.

"No," Girling said, "the 42,000 jobs is in ongoing, enduring jobs."

Girling made it sound like the State Department’s estimate pertained to permanent -- or at least long-term -- jobs with his description of them as "ongoing, enduring."

But that is an inaccurate way to evaluate these job creation estimates.

Far Left Troll!

Is there something inaccurate in the post? I mean other than the Keystone guy fudging a jobs number by a factor of 1000 percent?

Yes the far left the is complaining about jobs being created or are you a far left drone as well with the same irony impairment?

That's not even an English sentence but I repeat: is there something inaccurate in the post, or not?

Yes irony impairment is a far left trait!

The answer is there, sorry if it is not in far left machine language. However that will be your problem not mine..
 
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And so fucking what? It takes hundreds of men and women to build a highway and how many permanent jobs result from the construction of that highway?

Does that negate the economic benefit to those construction workers on the highway?
when they're ultimately working for export to foreign countries and the inevitable tar sands spills? Yes.

We import millions of barrels of oil a day and you think we're going to just export this oil? LOL!

Idjit!


"We" aren't going to export it, because "we" don't handle oil. OIL COMPANIES handle oil. And yes, they're going to export it.

Yes, oil companies prefer to spend extra money to ship oil further, instead of selling it for higher profits here. LOL!


Not the way the oil bidness works. Sigh... :talktothehand:

Yeah, darn greedy bastards, refining Canadian oil instead of shipping it thousands of miles away only to import more expensive, less secure Venezuelan oil.
 
When did the radical left first come to the conclusion that (American) oil companies were the enemy? The radical left seemed to enjoy watching Saudi princes flash their obscene wealth in obscene ways for the last half century but the thought that American oil companies would turn a profit seems to horrify them. Windmills are foolish toys and solar junk doesn't work. Cheap fossil fuel energy makes the world go around and the sooner the left understands it the better off we will all be.
 
Hmm. Lets just forget the jobs for a minute. Lets assume that the pipeline doesn't create a single job. All the reports coming from the government say that the ecological benefit is greater if the oil is shipped by a pipeline. So, unless you actually believe that Canada will shut down production without a pipeline, our own government has stated that shipping this oil in this manner is the safest way possible.

And, they also stated it saves lives to boot.

What are we arguing about?

Mark
 
The pipes are imported from India and the CEO of Keystone said what? 50 permanent jobs. Real winner you got there Repubs :thup:

TransCanada CEO says 42 000 Keystone XL pipeline jobs are ongoing enduring PunditFact

Far Left Troll!

Is there something inaccurate in the post? I mean other than the Keystone guy fudging a jobs number by a factor of 1000 percent?

Yes the far left the is complaining about jobs being created or are you a far left drone as well with the same irony impairment?

That's not even an English sentence but I repeat: is there something inaccurate in the post, or not?

Yes irony impairment is a far left trait!

The answer is there, sorry if it is not in far left machine language. However that will be your problem not mine..

So you have NO answer.

All you do is troll then?
 
When did the radical left first come to the conclusion that (American) oil companies were the enemy? The radical left seemed to enjoy watching Saudi princes flash their obscene wealth in obscene ways for the last half century but the thought that American oil companies would turn a profit seems to horrify them. Windmills are foolish toys and solar junk doesn't work. Cheap fossil fuel energy makes the world go around and the sooner the left understands it the better off we will all be.

It appears that the American liberal is completely happy if a foreign country despoils their land, if it benefits them, but are not happy when we do it ourselves.

I thought they actually cared about the rest of the world, maybe not.

Mark
 
heres more from my politifact reference above:

Importantly, as Raddatz said, these jobs would only be supported during the construction phase, which is expected to take one to two years. After construction, the pipeline would employ about 50 people, primarily for maintenance.

And so fucking what? It takes hundreds of men and women to build a highway and how many permanent jobs result from the construction of that highway?

Does that negate the economic benefit to those construction workers on the highway?
when they're ultimately working for export to foreign countries and the inevitable tar sands spills? Yes.

We import millions of barrels of oil a day and you think we're going to just export this oil? LOL!

Idjit!


"We" aren't going to export it, because "we" don't handle oil. OIL COMPANIES handle oil. And yes, they're going to export it.

Don't you want your companies to make money selling domestically as well as exporting?

They're going to buy the crude and get it to their refineries with or without the pipeline.

US-Petroleum-Imports-Graphic-EIA.gif


EIA Annual Energy Outlook 2014: This graphs shows that despite huge increases in domestic production the U.S. will still require imports for decades. -
 
Far Left Troll!

Is there something inaccurate in the post? I mean other than the Keystone guy fudging a jobs number by a factor of 1000 percent?

Yes the far left the is complaining about jobs being created or are you a far left drone as well with the same irony impairment?

That's not even an English sentence but I repeat: is there something inaccurate in the post, or not?

Yes irony impairment is a far left trait!

The answer is there, sorry if it is not in far left machine language. However that will be your problem not mine..

So you have NO answer.

All you do is troll then?

Gave you an answer you did not like it!

Thus claiming I gave NO answer is very incorrect and goes to show who is doing the trolling!
 
Is there something inaccurate in the post? I mean other than the Keystone guy fudging a jobs number by a factor of 1000 percent?

Yes the far left the is complaining about jobs being created or are you a far left drone as well with the same irony impairment?

That's not even an English sentence but I repeat: is there something inaccurate in the post, or not?

Yes irony impairment is a far left trait!

The answer is there, sorry if it is not in far left machine language. However that will be your problem not mine..

So you have NO answer.

All you do is troll then?

Gave you an answer you did not like it!

Thus claiming I gave NO answer is very incorrect and goes to show who is doing the trolling!

Horseshit.

I asked you specifically about the post above as to what is inaccurate in it. You failed to address that in any way whatsoever. While waiting for that you were posting -- and I quote in their entirety:

Far Left Troll!

Which was soon doubled-down with the depth of...

Far left Troll!

Which, not to be outdone, you followed up with the utterly comprehensive:

Far left Troll

You're a hack with no point aside from whining like an infant.
 
Canada currently has to sell oil at a discount to US because of the difficulty of getting their oil to the world market where they can sell it at world market (higher) prices.

In short, they want a pipeline across the U.S. so they can bypass the U.S. and not have to give us a discount on their oil.

Are any of you too stupid to do the math on that?
 
CNN s Van Jones says Keystone pipeline only creates 35 permanent jobs PunditFact

Contrary To GOP Promises Keystone XL Pipeline Will Only Create 35 Permanent Jobs

Republicans and conservative Democrats have continuously pushed for this pipeline’s approval is due to the huge windfall it will create for oil companies, specifically the Koch Bros. A report completed last year shows that the Kochs stand to make $100 billion from the passage of the Keystone extension. That’s billion, not million.

Republicans can’t just go to the people and say that we need to make sure insanely rich billionaires need to be given an opportunity to become even more insanely wealthy, environmental impacts be damned. Of course not. Therefore, they need to go out and claim that the project will create tons of jobs, help the country’s economy and fulfill its energy needs. Or, in other words, lie. Lie through their teeth.

Fox News host Keystone pipeline would create tens of thousands of jobs PunditFact

Fox News host: Keystone pipeline would create 'tens of thousands of jobs'

As far as new jobs go, the State Department estimates the operation of the pipeline will only create 35 permanent, full-time jobs and 15 temporary contractors. The full-time workers would be "required for annual operations, including routine inspections, maintenance and repair." Some would work in a Nebraska field office.

The lack of many full-time positions makes sense, given that the project is to build a pipeline so that tar sands can travel without the need of rail cars or ships.



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Well, there you have it. Maybe we are "misunderestimating" Republicans. Maybe they mean 35 permanent jobs and tens of thousands of jobs cleaning up the fucking mess.

Another huge GOP disaster looms on the horizon. Will this country never learn?


Considering only 37% support Obamacare and over 60% support the Keystone pipeline.

Sounds like you're the stupid one

-Geaux
 
What I don't understand is what does the fact that others make money have to do with the pipeline? How does it impact your life?

-Geaux
 
leftists always lie or distort the the truth

anyway at any rate

who cares if it is in the end

their are "only" 35 long term jobs

that is always the way it is with construction jobs

in the meantime construction of the pipeline creates

thousands of jobs in the construction and in

the auxiliary jobs

that was the whole premise of the stimulus and "shovel ready jobs"

which the leftists ate up hook line and sinker
 
leftists always lie or distort the the truth

anyway at any rate

who cares if it is in the end

their are "only" 35 long term jobs

that is always the way it is with construction jobs

in the meantime construction of the pipeline creates

thousands of jobs in the construction and in

the auxiliary jobs

that was the whole premise of the stimulus and "shovel ready jobs"

which the leftists ate up hook line and sinker


The vote was a trail run for January. Then it will pass and Obama can veto a bi-partisan bill

-Geaux
 

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