UK: Patients forced to live in agony

[WillowTree]

....and dontcha figure that after a year they will have exhausted all tests to determine a cause and, if none is found...then hey, they'll do an injection. At least by that point the injection won't hopefully be masking something more serious underlying the pain ... Yer Feebleness m'am....

so you support the patient suffering in agony for a full year and then he gets a little relief.. how compassionate of you.

Maybe I missed something but that's nothing new when debating you since your "logic" frequently misses the target but....can you show me where these injections are the only treatment available for "agonizing" pain and nothing else provides "a little relief"?

soon as you show me where I said that asswipe! and another piece of advice.. it is not mandatory that you listen to my "prattle" is it? you don't like what I'm telling you?? you don't have to have empirical treatment.. that's simple innit?

 

[Coyote]

so you support the patient suffering in agony for a full year and then he gets a little relief.. how compassionate of you.

Maybe I missed something but that's nothing new when debating you since your "logic" frequently misses the target but....can you show me where these injections are the only treatment available for "agonizing" pain and nothing else provides "a little relief"?

soon as you show me where I said that asswipe! and another piece of advice.. it is not mandatory that you listen to my "prattle" is it? you don't like what I'm telling you?? you don't have to have empirical treatment.. that's simple innit?

Well that's a no brainer...you said it in the same post I expressed my support for patients' suffering in agony for a full year without relief...

But addressing the facts here....or, at least salvaging them...how can I elect to have or not have "empirical" treatment when you can't even define it?

Keep prattling....I've got plenty of popcorn....and when I run out, I'll share cheetos. Maybe.

 

[WillowTree]

Maybe I missed something but that's nothing new when debating you since your "logic" frequently misses the target but....can you show me where these injections are the only treatment available for "agonizing" pain and nothing else provides "a little relief"?

soon as you show me where I said that asswipe! and another piece of advice.. it is not mandatory that you listen to my "prattle" is it? you don't like what I'm telling you?? you don't have to have empirical treatment.. that's simple innit?

Well that's a no brainer...you said it in the same post I expressed my support for patients' suffering in agony for a full year without relief...

But addressing the facts here....or, at least salvaging them...how can I elect to have or not have "empirical" treatment when you can't even define it?

Keep prattling....I've got plenty of popcorn....and when I run out, I'll share cheetos. Maybe.

I've already defined it. I can't help it if you are too retarded to understand it. So is it your position that you wish a full year of searching before a shot is approved?? is that your position??

 

[Coyote]

soon as you show me where I said that asswipe! and another piece of advice.. it is not mandatory that you listen to my "prattle" is it? you don't like what I'm telling you?? you don't have to have empirical treatment.. that's simple innit?

Well that's a no brainer...you said it in the same post I expressed my support for patients' suffering in agony for a full year without relief...

But addressing the facts here....or, at least salvaging them...how can I elect to have or not have "empirical" treatment when you can't even define it?

Keep prattling....I've got plenty of popcorn....and when I run out, I'll share cheetos. Maybe.

I've already defined it. I can't help it if you are too retarded to understand it. So is it your position that you wish a full year of searching before a shot is approved?? is that your position??

I take it then, what we have is a reality gap between your "definition" and the empirical evidence showing those injections are not that effective for non-specific back pain?

Now if you can explain to me where it says that these injections are the only treatment available to reduce the unbearable agony of that backpain, I'll answer your question - otherwise, it's all hypothetical bullcrap.

 

[WillowTree]

Well that's a no brainer...you said it in the same post I expressed my support for patients' suffering in agony for a full year without relief...

But addressing the facts here....or, at least salvaging them...how can I elect to have or not have "empirical" treatment when you can't even define it?

Keep prattling....I've got plenty of popcorn....and when I run out, I'll share cheetos. Maybe.

I've already defined it. I can't help it if you are too retarded to understand it. So is it your position that you wish a full year of searching before a shot is approved?? is that your position??

I take it then, what we have is a reality gap between your "definition" and the empirical evidence showing those injections are not that effective for non-specific back pain?

Now if you can explain to me where it says that these injections are the only treatment available to reduce the unbearable agony of that backpain, I'll answer your question - otherwise, it's all hypothetical bullcrap.

okay,, it's all hypothetical bullcrap and you should never ever let your doctor treat you empirically you'll do just fine! take your happy pill now..

 

[Coyote]

I've already defined it. I can't help it if you are too retarded to understand it. So is it your position that you wish a full year of searching before a shot is approved?? is that your position??

I take it then, what we have is a reality gap between your "definition" and the empirical evidence showing those injections are not that effective for non-specific back pain?

Now if you can explain to me where it says that these injections are the only treatment available to reduce the unbearable agony of that backpain, I'll answer your question - otherwise, it's all hypothetical bullcrap.

okay,, it's all hypothetical bullcrap and you should never ever let your doctor treat you empirically you'll do just fine! take your happy pill now..

Can't...you've been ducking and dodging so much I dropped it....damn....

 

[WillowTree]

I take it then, what we have is a reality gap between your "definition" and the empirical evidence showing those injections are not that effective for non-specific back pain?

Now if you can explain to me where it says that these injections are the only treatment available to reduce the unbearable agony of that backpain, I'll answer your question - otherwise, it's all hypothetical bullcrap.

okay,, it's all hypothetical bullcrap and you should never ever let your doctor treat you empirically you'll do just fine! take your happy pill now..

Can't...you've been ducking and dodging so much I dropped it....damn....

well, then put yer head back up yer azz,, and take a nap!

 

[Coyote]

okay,, it's all hypothetical bullcrap and you should never ever let your doctor treat you empirically you'll do just fine! take your happy pill now..

Can't...you've been ducking and dodging so much I dropped it....damn....

well, then put yer head back up yer azz,, and take a nap!

Well...if you wipe the brown stuff out of your eyes maybe you can help me find it....and I'll get out of your hair...or, what ever that stuff is you've got.....


damn hairy arse.

 

[WillowTree]

Can't...you've been ducking and dodging so much I dropped it....damn....

well, then put yer head back up yer azz,, and take a nap!

Well...if you wipe the brown stuff out of your eyes maybe you can help me find it....and I'll get out of your hair...or, what ever that stuff is you've got.....


damn hairy arse.

ewwww you a ugly donkey boy.

 

[Coyote]

well, then put yer head back up yer azz,, and take a nap!

Well...if you wipe the brown stuff out of your eyes maybe you can help me find it....and I'll get out of your hair...or, what ever that stuff is you've got.....


damn hairy arse.

ewwww you a ugly donkey boy.

Get yer head out yer arse and I'll bet you clean up purty...

 

[WillowTree]

Well...if you wipe the brown stuff out of your eyes maybe you can help me find it....and I'll get out of your hair...or, what ever that stuff is you've got.....


damn hairy arse.

ewwww you a ugly donkey boy.

Get yer head out yer arse and I'll bet you clean up purty...

ugly ugly ugly donkey boy

 

[Coyote]

ewwww you a ugly donkey boy.

Get yer head out yer arse and I'll bet you clean up purty...

ugly ugly ugly donkey boy

I'm telling ya...wipe your eyes....


Fur's not that bad....and the fleas, well...nothing that a little fleaspray wouldn't cure...

 

[WillowTree]

ugly ugly ugly pig,, err donkeyboy.



sealybobo is that yew?

 

[Coyote]

ugly ugly ugly pig,, err donkeyboy.

Now come on hotlips....you got to get yer species straight...I is a fine fine coyote...and I don't eat cats...umh....unless theyz barbecued....

 

[WillowTree]

poor old bobo pig.

 

[Coyote]

poor old bobo pig.

So tell me....did your insurance policy cover the rectalcranial inversion or did they call it a pre-existing condition and drop you?

 

[auditor0007]

I suggest anyone interested in how UK subjects view their NHS visit a message board in the UK. I have and asked those who live in the UK how they feel about the NHS. The responses were 100% in support. Of course there were and are problems, but each response I received supported their system and condemned our profit driven system.

My daughter lived in England for 6 months, and unfortunately found out first-hand how good their system really is. Her 2 year old caught his finger in a door and nearly severed it (her description left me rather woozy lol). He was not only immediately seen by a pediatric plastics specialist, but his work was so good you really can't tell he'd ever been injured so badly. They followed up with home visits to monitor his progress for some time after. She had other occasions to use their services while there and had nothing but good to say about the care they all received.

It really depends on what type of problem a person has as to how good their system is. There are problems, but overall, it's not nearly as bad as some people want us to think. I dated a woman from Scotland, and her son had a problem with his bowels. He would only have a bowel movement once every three or four days, which is not good, especially for a growing child. Because it wasn't life threatening, he had to wait eleven months before he was able to see a specialist. So yes, there are problems with the system. On the other hand, he was treated and is doing much better now, and his mother didn't have to pay anything out of pocket for his treatment.

 

[Emma]

I suggest anyone interested in how UK subjects view their NHS visit a message board in the UK. I have and asked those who live in the UK how they feel about the NHS. The responses were 100% in support. Of course there were and are problems, but each response I received supported their system and condemned our profit driven system.

My daughter lived in England for 6 months, and unfortunately found out first-hand how good their system really is. Her 2 year old caught his finger in a door and nearly severed it (her description left me rather woozy lol). He was not only immediately seen by a pediatric plastics specialist, but his work was so good you really can't tell he'd ever been injured so badly. They followed up with home visits to monitor his progress for some time after. She had other occasions to use their services while there and had nothing but good to say about the care they all received.

It really depends on what type of problem a person has as to how good their system is. There are problems, but overall, it's not nearly as bad as some people want us to think. I dated a woman from Scotland, and her son had a problem with his bowels. He would only have a bowel movement once every three or four days, which is not good, especially for a growing child. Because it wasn't life threatening, he had to wait eleven months before he was able to see a specialist. So yes, there are problems with the system. On the other hand, he was treated and is doing much better now, and his mother didn't have to pay anything out of pocket for his treatment.

I was diagnosed with type II diabetes in March. On my first dr's appointment, he found my renal function might be compromised and referred me to a nephrology group. I was scheduled for an appointment twice, and they called to cancel both because they just couldn't work me in. I'm still waiting for an appointment. They won't even schedule me now because it's too far out from what they have available. Hope my kidney doesn't fry out in the meantime.

 

[tigerbob]

I suggest anyone interested in how UK subjects view their NHS visit a message board in the UK. I have and asked those who live in the UK how they feel about the NHS. The responses were 100% in support. Of course there were and are problems, but each response I received supported their system and condemned our profit driven system.

My daughter lived in England for 6 months, and unfortunately found out first-hand how good their system really is. Her 2 year old caught his finger in a door and nearly severed it (her description left me rather woozy lol). He was not only immediately seen by a pediatric plastics specialist, but his work was so good you really can't tell he'd ever been injured so badly. They followed up with home visits to monitor his progress for some time after. She had other occasions to use their services while there and had nothing but good to say about the care they all received.

It really depends on what type of problem a person has as to how good their system is. There are problems, but overall, it's not nearly as bad as some people want us to think. I dated a woman from Scotland, and her son had a problem with his bowels. He would only have a bowel movement once every three or four days, which is not good, especially for a growing child. Because it wasn't life threatening, he had to wait eleven months before he was able to see a specialist. So yes, there are problems with the system. On the other hand, he was treated and is doing much better now, and his mother didn't have to pay anything out of pocket for his treatment.

Generally, treatment of trauma is very good.

Treatment that requires investigation, prolonged consultation and is not immediately threatening is less than ideal in many cases.

Or so I found.

 

[tigerbob]

I suggest anyone interested in how UK subjects view their NHS visit a message board in the UK. I have and asked those who live in the UK how they feel about the NHS. The responses were 100% in support. Of course there were and are problems, but each response I received supported their system and condemned our profit driven system.

I'm not sure that most Brits can comment with authority on the U.S system without experiencing it personally. Both systems have their good and bad points.