UK: Patients forced to live in agony

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    Isn't the Telegraph a respected newspaper?
     
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    The Government's drug rationing watchdog says "therapeutic" injections of steroids, such as cortisone, which are used to reduce inflammation, should no longer be offered to patients suffering from persistent lower back pain when the cause is not known.

    A spokesman for NICE said its guidance did not recommend that injections were stopped for all patients, but only for those who had been in pain for less than a year, where the cause was not known.

    In response, NICE chairman Professor Sir Michael Rawlins expressed outrage over the vote that forced Dr Watson from his position, describing the actions of the society as "shameful". He accused pain specialists of refusing to accept that there was insufficient scientific evidence to support their practices.

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    Now, I'd have to go on a search for trials to find out what he's talking about BUT even without doing that, the restriction on steroid injections where the cause is unknown makes perfect sense. While complications may be uncommon, they're not unheard of and some are pretty significant. I certainly wouldn't want my doc doing such an invasive procedure without knowing the cause of my pain. Pain is the body's way of telling you something is wrong. To simply mask the pain without knowing why it's there is stupid.
     
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    Unreasonable,, many many many cases of back pain have unknown causes and are chronic,, so to expect someone to be in pain for a year and for the Dr. to "find a cause" is unreasonable.. you try being in pain for 365 days and see how reasonable that seems to you.
     
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    I AM. I have chronic back pain, thanks to lifting and tugging on patients for 25 years.

    They aren't saying you have to be in pain for a year before you can receive steroid injections. They are refusing it when the cause is unknown.

    Tests can show radiculopathy and other conditions that steroids WILL help. The docs can also do tests to rule out more serious reasons for back pain. Once that is done, if they have a condition that steroids will help, then they can have the injections.

    I've known of people who've received steroids for pain, only to be masking a more serious condition. Any doc who would just shoot you up without first attempting to diagnose the problem is an idiot, and dangerous IMO.

    What they are proposing makes perfect sense.

    Even private insurance here have similar rules regarding the use of steroids.

    Lumbar Epidural Steroid Injections for Treatment of Low Back Pain

    In other words, AFTER diagnostics prove that a condition exists where steroids will be effective, and rule out other conditions/contraindications.
     
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    steroids are given to reduce the inflammation. yes?
     
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    which could mean months and years under government run health care, years of pain and misery.so what the article says is true.
     
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    No.
     
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    yes,
     

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