U.S. Marines test all-male squads against mixed-gender squads: Results are bleak

[Care4all]

I think if the woman is equal to the man in strength, shooting etc, and she wants to be on the front line she should be allowed, but IF she is not as strong, not as accurate with her shooting as all of her male counterparts then she should NOT be on the front line...

why does it half to be ALL or NOTHING?

So you agree with physical standards, right?

Yes!

 

[SwimExpert]

Interesting on the accuracy measurements.....I wonder if that could be trained out.

Doubtful. SWAT teams rarely include females and it's for the same reaoson....they don't shoot as well. They have smaller weaker hands. Accurate shooting requires many things...but a firm strong grip is crucial, especially with combat weapons (sniper rifles much different...women can easily do that just as well).

Pistols, shotguns, AR15....women almost never shoot as well and no amount of training will grow their hands to be larger and stronger.

Well, save money and buy smaller weapons or make them smaller for women. But with ground war becoming obsolete due to drones and other technologies, even men may no longer be needed in ground combat situations

So you want to go with inaccurate weapons, as apposed to direct fire, and increased civilian casualties?

How undemocratic..
.

Are you a war criminal?

A smaller weapon does not necessarily equate to inaccuracy. Further, with increasing technological innovations collateral damage could be kept to a minimum, possibly even more than when ground troops are deployed.

lol SMALLER WEAPON, the M-16 is beyond light fully loaded and has almost no kick, in fact an instructor can hold it in front of his crotch and fire it with no damage. And exactly how does one make a squad automatic weapon smaller and lighter then the current ones?

Actually the M4 is smaller and lighter, and has replaced nearly 100% of M16s in the US military. They are universally loved by everyone.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

I'm not cannon fodder, I built what they need to kill, and was well paid for it. Motherhood and apple pie is the lie we use, to get you to lay down your life, dumbass...

Of course you're a pussy...

Go back and Paint By Numbers and let the adults talk...

What I'm not is stupid. Get paid like shit, ordered around, and have people shoot at you? Or, make the big bucks, manage others, and go home to single-malts and TV at night? Gee, I just can't figure that out.

And do you think you were protecting American by being walking targets for the Sand ******* on the other side of the fucking planet? We love the robots that shit and eat, and shoot who we tell them to. We make a big deal about it when they come home in a box however we always figured that they would, if they were any good at doing our biding that is. Cannon fodder like you are tools, the same as hammers, and just as expendable...

So you have no training or experience???

GFY!!!

The adults are talking.

If you were trained then we trained you, to fight and die. That is your sole purpose, don't believe that you have any other.

You work for us, you go where we say, and you kill who we say, or you die trying. Period...

And your experience to talk military matters, other than the fact that if we fight, we will leave you on the side of the road, begging the enemy for mercy???

PUSSY!!!

Tell us, robot with a gun, how are you protecting America, on the other side of the fucking planet? Can you name, even a single soldier that died in Iraq protecting America? Or did they all die fighting a war that never had to be fought? Do tell...

 

[David_42]

Why test a mixed gender Marine unit against an all male Marine unit?

That's not who they'd ever be fighting against.

I would pay serious money to see a bull dyke Marine take on Obiwan, Rabbi, or Koshergrl, in hand to hand combat. The amusement value alone would boost troop morale.

But whether or not they can toss grammas is irrelevant. The discussion is how valuable are they in the field...and the answer is...they're a liability.

What I wonder is what happens when you have three men and one woman in a foxhole all day long and she has to go to the bathroom. Leaving the foxhole means almost certainly getting shot. What does the woman do?

What the fuck? You must be a special kind of stupid.

 

[Little-Acorn]

Weird that this thread got moved to POLITICS.

It didn't. It started there.

The drive to put women into front line combat units, was purely political.

 

[Little-Acorn]

........

Did you have a point, or are you just trying to be a dick, as usual?

Please don't feed the trolls.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Weird that this thread got moved to POLITICS.

It didn't. It started there.

The drive to put women into front line combat units, was purely political.

War is mostly a game for young boys, played by old men from a very great distance...

 

[Obiwan]

Doubtful. SWAT teams rarely include females and it's for the same reaoson....they don't shoot as well. They have smaller weaker hands. Accurate shooting requires many things...but a firm strong grip is crucial, especially with combat weapons (sniper rifles much different...women can easily do that just as well).

Pistols, shotguns, AR15....women almost never shoot as well and no amount of training will grow their hands to be larger and stronger.

Well, save money and buy smaller weapons or make them smaller for women. But with ground war becoming obsolete due to drones and other technologies, even men may no longer be needed in ground combat situations

So you want to go with inaccurate weapons, as apposed to direct fire, and increased civilian casualties?

How undemocratic..
.

Are you a war criminal?

A smaller weapon does not necessarily equate to inaccuracy. Further, with increasing technological innovations collateral damage could be kept to a minimum, possibly even more than when ground troops are deployed.

lol SMALLER WEAPON, the M-16 is beyond light fully loaded and has almost no kick, in fact an instructor can hold it in front of his crotch and fire it with no damage. And exactly how does one make a squad automatic weapon smaller and lighter then the current ones?

Actually the M4 is smaller and lighter, and has replaced nearly 100% of M16s in the US military. They are universally loved by everyone.

But I always loved an M-14 or M-60 in single pop (7.62)... Better range and accuracy.

But if you want to hit a target?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

It cannot be shown more clearly, boys and their toys. It never changes.

Still, they can be useful, in the right context...

 

[PaintMyHouse]

And for those who believe she has only a limited role, or no role at all, one can be found, there are simply better options available, at the moment...

 

[jasonnfree]

Why test a mixed gender Marine unit against an all male Marine unit?

That's not who they'd ever be fighting against.

I would pay serious money to see a bull dyke Marine take on Obiwan, Rabbi, or Koshergrl, in hand to hand combat. The amusement value alone would boost troop morale.

But whether or not they can toss grammas is irrelevant. The discussion is how valuable are they in the field...and the answer is...they're a liability.

What I wonder is what happens when you have three men and one woman in a foxhole all day long and she has to go to the bathroom. Leaving the foxhole means almost certainly getting shot. What does the woman do?

What the fuck? You must be a special kind of stupid.

I think it's a pretty good question. Taking care of bodily functions in mixed company in a war situation is asking for trouble. Also, women will normally just get in the way when they try to do a man's work. They don't have the size or strength and it's only imbeciles who think that women can physically cut the mustard. And then there will be the constant complaints about sexual harrassment. I know, the Army found a couple women that can keep up with the pack. Out of how many tens of thousands?

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

Anyone truly surprised ?
It won't matter at all though, we don't fight wars to win anyway.

The US Marines tested all-male squads against mixed-gender ones, and the results were pretty bleak

In 2013, the US military lifted its ban on women serving in combat. Shortly after, the Marine Corps began what it calls an “unprecedented research effort” to understand the impact of gender integration on its combat forces. That took the form of a year-long experiment called the Ground Combat Element Integrated Task Force, in which 400 Marines—100 of them female—trained for combat together and then undertook a simulated deployment, with every facet of their experience measured and scrutinized.

All branches of the military are facing a January 1, 2016, deadline to open all combat roles to women. The Marine Corps is using this experiment to decide whether to request exceptions to that mandate.The Corps’ summary of the experiment, posted online today by NPR, concludes that combat teams were less effective when they included women.

Overall, the report says, all-male teams and crews outperformed mixed-gender ones on 93 out of 134 tasks evaluated. All-male teams were universally faster “in each tactical movement.” On “lethality,” the report says:

All-male 0311 (rifleman) infantry squads had better accuracy compared to gender-integrated squads. There was a notable difference between genders for every individual weapons system (i.e. M4, M27, and M203) within the 0311 squads, except for the probability of hit & near miss with the M4.

And:

All-male infantry crew-served weapons teams engaged targets quicker and registered more hits on target as compared to gender-integrated infantry crew-served weapons teams, with the exception of M2 accuracy.

And:

All-male squads, teams and crews and gender-integrated squads, teams, and crews had a noticeable difference in their performance of the basic combat tasks of negotiating obstacles and evacuating casualties. For example, when negotiating the wall obstacle, male Marines threw their packs to the top of the wall, whereas female Marines required regular assistance in getting their packs to the top. During casualty evacuation assessments, there were notable differences in execution times between all-male and gender-integrated groups, except in the case where teams conducted a casualty evacuation as a one-Marine fireman’s carry of another (in which case it was most often a male Marine who “evacuated” the casualty)

The report also says that female Marines had higher rates of injury throughout the experiment.

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Such conclusions may be disheartening to proponents of gender integration in combat, and certainly put a damper on the news that the Army’s ranger school recently graduated its first female soldiers. The tests come with at least one important caveat: As the Marine Corps Times notes, many of of the male study participants had previously served in combat units, whereas female participants, by necessity, came directly from infantry schools or from noncombat jobs.

The US Marines tested all-male squads against mixed-gender ones, and the results were pretty bleak

The test may have had somewhat different results if it had not have been set up to assure that degree of failure for the mixed unit if ALL other things had been equal other than gender. The telling of the skewed results is in the line from the piece:

"As the Marine Corps Times notes, many of the male study participants had previously served in combat units, whereas female participants, by necessity, came directly from infantry schools or from noncombat jobs." Gosh, does one think EXPERIENCE may have tipped the scales a bit?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Why test a mixed gender Marine unit against an all male Marine unit?

That's not who they'd ever be fighting against.

I would pay serious money to see a bull dyke Marine take on Obiwan, Rabbi, or Koshergrl, in hand to hand combat. The amusement value alone would boost troop morale.

But whether or not they can toss grammas is irrelevant. The discussion is how valuable are they in the field...and the answer is...they're a liability.

What I wonder is what happens when you have three men and one woman in a foxhole all day long and she has to go to the bathroom. Leaving the foxhole means almost certainly getting shot. What does the woman do?

What the fuck? You must be a special kind of stupid.

I think it's a pretty good question. Taking care of bodily functions in mixed company in a war situation is asking for trouble. Also, women will normally just get in the way when they try to do a man's work. They don't have the size or strength and it's only imbeciles who think that women can physically cut the mustard. And then there will be the constant complaints about sexual harrassment. I know, the Army found a couple women that can keep up with the pack. Out of how many tens of thousands?

Any smart woman would be more than happy to send the little dicks off, to die. Many more are easily found, or made...

 

[Obiwan]

Why test a mixed gender Marine unit against an all male Marine unit?

That's not who they'd ever be fighting against.

I would pay serious money to see a bull dyke Marine take on Obiwan, Rabbi, or Koshergrl, in hand to hand combat. The amusement value alone would boost troop morale.

But whether or not they can toss grammas is irrelevant. The discussion is how valuable are they in the field...and the answer is...they're a liability.

What I wonder is what happens when you have three men and one woman in a foxhole all day long and she has to go to the bathroom. Leaving the foxhole means almost certainly getting shot. What does the woman do?

What the fuck? You must be a special kind of stupid.

I think it's a pretty good question. Taking care of bodily functions in mixed company in a war situation is asking for trouble. Also, women will normally just get in the way when they try to do a man's work. They don't have the size or strength and it's only imbeciles who think that women can physically cut the mustard. And then there will be the constant complaints about sexual harrassment. I know, the Army found a couple women that can keep up with the pack. Out of how many tens of thousands?

That's the point...

A few can, but DON'T lower the standards, or you risk the unit.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

I would pay serious money to see a bull dyke Marine take on Obiwan, Rabbi, or Koshergrl, in hand to hand combat. The amusement value alone would boost troop morale.

But whether or not they can toss grammas is irrelevant. The discussion is how valuable are they in the field...and the answer is...they're a liability.

What I wonder is what happens when you have three men and one woman in a foxhole all day long and she has to go to the bathroom. Leaving the foxhole means almost certainly getting shot. What does the woman do?

What the fuck? You must be a special kind of stupid.

I think it's a pretty good question. Taking care of bodily functions in mixed company in a war situation is asking for trouble. Also, women will normally just get in the way when they try to do a man's work. They don't have the size or strength and it's only imbeciles who think that women can physically cut the mustard. And then there will be the constant complaints about sexual harrassment. I know, the Army found a couple women that can keep up with the pack. Out of how many tens of thousands?

That's the point...

A few can, but DON'T lower the standards, or you risk the unit.

The standards were created by little dicks for little dicks. That has nothing at all to do with what is actually necessary eh?

Want to learn how to rock climb? Learn from women then. Men cheat, because they can....

 

[koshergrl]

Why test a mixed gender Marine unit against an all male Marine unit?

That's not who they'd ever be fighting against.

I would pay serious money to see a bull dyke Marine take on Obiwan, Rabbi, or Koshergrl, in hand to hand combat. The amusement value alone would boost troop morale.

But whether or not they can toss grammas is irrelevant. The discussion is how valuable are they in the field...and the answer is...they're a liability.

What I wonder is what happens when you have three men and one woman in a foxhole all day long and she has to go to the bathroom. Leaving the foxhole means almost certainly getting shot. What does the woman do?

What the fuck? You must be a special kind of stupid.

No, that would be you.

 

[JQPublic1]

Interesting on the accuracy measurements.....I wonder if that could be trained out.

Doubtful. SWAT teams rarely include females and it's for the same reaoson....they don't shoot as well. They have smaller weaker hands. Accurate shooting requires many things...but a firm strong grip is crucial, especially with combat weapons (sniper rifles much different...women can easily do that just as well).

Pistols, shotguns, AR15....women almost never shoot as well and no amount of training will grow their hands to be larger and stronger.

Well, save money and buy smaller weapons or make them smaller for women. But with ground war becoming obsolete due to drones and other technologies, even men may no longer be needed in ground combat situations

So you want to go with inaccurate weapons, as apposed to direct fire, and increased civilian casualties?

How undemocratic..
.

Are you a war criminal?

A smaller weapon does not necessarily equate to inaccuracy. Further, with increasing technological innovations collateral damage could be kept to a minimum, possibly even more than when ground troops are deployed.

State YOUR service...

Retired Military...that is all YOU need to know... now, state yours!

 

[frigidweirdo]

So in 41 of the cases groups with females DID BETTER than those with just men. Hmmm

Basically showing that women CAN perform these duties.

 

[JQPublic1]

Why test a mixed gender Marine unit against an all male Marine unit?

That's not who they'd ever be fighting against.

I would pay serious money to see a bull dyke Marine take on Obiwan, Rabbi, or Koshergrl, in hand to hand combat. The amusement value alone would boost troop morale.

But whether or not they can toss grammas is irrelevant. The discussion is how valuable are they in the field...and the answer is...they're a liability.

What I wonder is what happens when you have three men and one woman in a foxhole all day long and she has to go to the bathroom. Leaving the foxhole means almost certainly getting shot. What does the woman do?

What the fuck? You must be a special kind of stupid.

I think it's a pretty good question. Taking care of bodily functions in mixed company in a war situation is asking for trouble. Also, women will normally just get in the way when they try to do a man's work. They don't have the size or strength and it's only imbeciles who think that women can physically cut the mustard. And then there will be the constant complaints about sexual harrassment. I know, the Army found a couple women that can keep up with the pack. Out of how many tens of thousands?

I've got an idea. If a woman OR man can't past the physical strength tests they become rejects. Fair enough?

BTW, I am betting that any one these chicks can hold and fire two M-60s at the same time while simultaneously kicking a thrown enemy grenade back to where the hell it came from.

 

[ninja007]

libs for 25 years trying to say the sexes are equal. they are clearly not. same with blacks and whites- clearly whites are superior; just a fact.