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Fundamentally selfish.
"What's in it for me", in other words
Fundamentally selfish.
"What's in it for me", in other words
Yeah. After what I’ve been through (beyond my dad), I’ve learned the o my entities looking out for my well being are ME, MYSELF. and I. I’ve also learned that wasting time worrying about others just takes away from the time I have to protect my Ken interests.
Your God has proven he doesn’t give a fuck about me or mine for 45 years, so I’m definitely not wasting any of my resources on Him or His.
Your dad was a good, decent and faithful man, and I'm really glad for you that you had that influence on your life. Did he turn on God when he suffered?
Would he be proud of your attitude toward God here, of your priorities in life?
Things to think about, maybe
Your dad was a good, decent and faithful man, and I'm really glad for you that you had that influence on your life. Did he turn on God when he suffered?
Would he be proud of your attitude toward God here, of your priorities in life?
Things to think about, maybe
No he didn’t turn; and that was one of my greatest frustrations at the end. “Thank you Sir, May I have another!!” has never been part of my way of looking at the world.
He would not be proud of many of the things I do. Then again he and I rarely saw eye to eye on tings when he was alive. I respect(ed) him but we were never close and since I don’t believe in Love I can’t say that I loved him.
He and I had very different visions of the world from very different viewpoints. I respected his far more than he ever respected mine. He couldn’t understand my experiences and how they shaped me.
I'm not angry at something that hasn't been proven to exist. That would be absurd and ridiculous.Accept your shit lot in life because when YOU'RE DEAD you'll be rewarded. Biggest scam ever.What did you see in those 27 years. Were they in the church or just in general. And you better be honest and not exaggerate
What did I see? I saw a family where you literally cannot swing an arm without hitting church workers, people of true faith, even members of the clergy itself undergo pain, loss, and suffering far beyond that which they deserved and far more than the unwashed masses around them.
The final straw was watching the most good, decent and faithful man I’ve ever known (my father) wither away and die from Cancer over a three year period while your/his God looked in and did nothing to stop it.
I'm sorry you had to see that. Cancer is awful.
But suffering was to be expected. It is wrong, very wrong, for some very wrong Christians to give the idea that Christians will have it easier than others in this life. We will not, and in some cases will have it even harder. Jesus said "In this world you will have trouble, but take heart! For I have overcome the world." --John 16:33
No. Not even close.
But you just want to be angry at the God you are sure doesn't exist. So you do you
You probably know "not believing in love" is not really the common experience. I'm just curious if you have ever felt loving toward anyone
Your dad was a good, decent and faithful man, and I'm really glad for you that you had that influence on your life. Did he turn on God when he suffered?
Would he be proud of your attitude toward God here, of your priorities in life?
Things to think about, maybe
No he didn’t turn; and that was one of my greatest frustrations at the end. “Thank you Sir, May I have another!!” has never been part of my way of looking at the world.
He would not be proud of many of the things I do. Then again he and I rarely saw eye to eye on tings when he was alive. I respect(ed) him but we were never close and since I don’t believe in Love I can’t say that I loved him.
He and I had very different visions of the world from very different viewpoints. I respected his far more than he ever respected mine. He couldn’t understand my experiences and how they shaped me.
You probably know "not believing in love" is not really the common experience. I'm just curious if you have ever felt loving toward anyone
Love, no. At least not that I can remember. Sympathy, Compassion, and Care but not Love.
Then again I must also say that I’ve never felt Loved either. That’s not to say I haven’t been Loved; but I tend to believe that somehow I just don’t operate on a wavelength that Love interacts with.
What I wrote was observations. However I read the Bible very rigorously, as I am a Christian myself.It is better to be God's automaton, then going through the process of the devil transforming you into his automaton.Because without free will there is no real love. We are then just automatons.
That doesn't answer the question.
You're making stuff up. Probably never even read the Bible through
I am very dubious of your claim to Christianity--either that or you MUST--I mean this with genuine concern--you MUST turn away from whomever is teaching you this stuff about the devil.
It's not Christian. I am rebuking you as a supposed Brother. When you are spouting stuff for public consumption that is "not in the Bible" and doing so as a Christian....no
What I wrote was observations. However I read the Bible very rigorously, as I am a Christian myself.It is better to be God's automaton, then going through the process of the devil transforming you into his automaton.That doesn't answer the question.
You're making stuff up. Probably never even read the Bible through
I am very dubious of your claim to Christianity--either that or you MUST--I mean this with genuine concern--you MUST turn away from whomever is teaching you this stuff about the devil.
It's not Christian. I am rebuking you as a supposed Brother. When you are spouting stuff for public consumption that is "not in the Bible" and doing so as a Christian....no
I accept your rebuking me. However physical observations are still facts worthy of discussion, especially if the entire industry of deliverance ministries are already working on it for centuries.
What did you see in those 27 years. Were they in the church or just in general. And you better be honest and not exaggerate
What did I see? I saw a family where you literally cannot swing an arm without hitting church workers, people of true faith, even members of the clergy itself undergo pain, loss, and suffering far beyond that which they deserved and far more than the unwashed masses around them.
The final straw was watching the most good, decent and faithful man I’ve ever known (my father) wither away and die from Cancer over a three year period while your/his God looked in and did nothing to stop it.
Why would a loving god subject his creations to an evil being that he created?
He created the whole universe and the only place he could banish Satan was the earth?
Because it was worth it.
That's the only answer to subjecting someone you love to temporary pain, right? Like when we take our babies in for shots. Or we tell them no to candy before dinner.
It was worth it.
An eternal evil being is not temporary pain.
So do you subject your kids to the "temporary" pain of child molesters?
The devil is not eternal.
He has been around for how long?
Don't have a date on that. Don't know. But he is not God. He will be thrown into the Lake of Fire and be tormented forever and ever. Revelation 20:10
What I wrote was observations. However I read the Bible very rigorously, as I am a Christian myself.It is better to be God's automaton, then going through the process of the devil transforming you into his automaton.
You're making stuff up. Probably never even read the Bible through
I am very dubious of your claim to Christianity--either that or you MUST--I mean this with genuine concern--you MUST turn away from whomever is teaching you this stuff about the devil.
It's not Christian. I am rebuking you as a supposed Brother. When you are spouting stuff for public consumption that is "not in the Bible" and doing so as a Christian....no
I accept your rebuking me. However physical observations are still facts worthy of discussion, especially if the entire industry of deliverance ministries are already working on it for centuries.
I am not disputing demonic possession. That is in the Bible. I am disputing the claims that you made that you said "were not in the Bible" and that other people can voodoo or whatever demons into people's lives and ESPECIALLY the strong implication that this can happen to Christians. No, because that implies that demons are stronger than the Holy Spirit.
Romans 20, the entire world is subjected to torment in the hope that it can be brought out of its decay and into the light of God. (Paraphrased as I don't exactly remember the words.)Because it was worth it.
That's the only answer to subjecting someone you love to temporary pain, right? Like when we take our babies in for shots. Or we tell them no to candy before dinner.
It was worth it.
An eternal evil being is not temporary pain.
So do you subject your kids to the "temporary" pain of child molesters?
The devil is not eternal.
He has been around for how long?
Don't have a date on that. Don't know. But he is not God. He will be thrown into the Lake of Fire and be tormented forever and ever. Revelation 20:10
Satan is an angel
God could end him with a snap of his fingers but he would rather let him torment the people of the earth
That doesn't sound like a "loving" god to me
Maybe you don't want to answer my last question and that's fair enough...
...I'm just saying there's a lot about Christianity that does not actually require emotion. That is actually--an exchange. I cannot persuade you into it, actually. You will either be called or you will not--I just wanted to leave you with those thoughts, that's all.
Maybe you don't want to answer my last question and that's fair enough...
...I'm just saying there's a lot about Christianity that does not actually require emotion. That is actually--an exchange. I cannot persuade you into it, actually. You will either be called or you will not--I just wanted to leave you with those thoughts, that's all.
I spent two and a half years after my father’s death looking for an answer. I talked to clergy from just about every organized religion Faith you could imagine, and I still couldn’t find an answer.
Many didn’t even bother to try to give me an answer. Some gave me the same schtick I’d heard for 27 years. Others prattled on about the unknowability of God. None of them did me any good.
It was only after I started looking at my own experiences and the world at large that I began to find things that made sense to me in terms of Spirituality and the like. They may not make sense to others but they do for me.
Romans 20, the entire world is subjected to torment in the hope that it can be brought out of its decay and into the light of God. (Paraphrased as I don't exactly remember the words.)An eternal evil being is not temporary pain.
So do you subject your kids to the "temporary" pain of child molesters?
The devil is not eternal.
He has been around for how long?
Don't have a date on that. Don't know. But he is not God. He will be thrown into the Lake of Fire and be tormented forever and ever. Revelation 20:10
Satan is an angel
God could end him with a snap of his fingers but he would rather let him torment the people of the earth
That doesn't sound like a "loving" god to me
Well if you were looking for the answer to, "Why did my dad suffer and die from cancer," no one could presume to tell you that. Or they shouldn't presume to tell you that.
It also says that the son will not be punished for the father's doings and visa versa. The key is to turn away from the error, sin, or wickedness.So the children get punished for the sins of the father? Sounds like something the devil would do.Probably the best way is not inviting God into your life
Yes, this is very interesting too. And I risk to add, that after the devil enters into a person in this way, it will prevent that person from accepting God.
This can happen to children too, whose parents don't invite God into their lives at an early age.
Yes, the Old Testament does say that God punishes children for the parents' sins up to 4 generations. Unfortunately, it doesn't say for how many generations the devil punishes people for their parents' sins.
Choosing not to adopt silly, archaic myths is always an option.Not really an option half the time, because half the time the devil enters you because your husband or father beats you until it does.
