Trumpsters, please provide your defense of this

[Mac1958]

But 35.2% is "historically good" Highest in US history by a wide margin.

And let's also nt forget about th infamous V-GRAPH (never shown on left wing media) - with 2015/2016 GDPs SINKING horribly (2 consecutive recessions), and then rescued by Trump with RISING GDPs in 2017/2018.

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"Rescued" by massive spending and trillions in Fed dollars.

2.3%. That's it. With all that help. Look it up. Too bad. You are ignorant.

 

[billyerock123]

"Rescued" by massive spending and trillions in Fed dollars.

2.3%. That's it. With all that help. Look it up. Too bad. You are ignorant.

and you are a moron

 

[Mac1958]

and you are a moron

You may want to go back and see what I was talking about.

 

[protectionist]

what makes me feel better is you making a fool of yourself like you have here ... i'm still laughing at you...here are the actual facts
The statistics for the entirety of Donald Trump’s time in office are nearly all compiled. As we did for his predecessor four years ago, we present a final look at the numbers.

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as you can see he's not even close to Bidens numbers ...

As I can see, YOUR NUMBERS posted here are a rock of sh-t. cn

what makes me feel better is you making a fool of yourself like you have here ... i'm still laughing at you...here are the actual facts
The statistics for the entirety of Donald Trump’s time in office are nearly all compiled. As we did for his predecessor four years ago, we present a final look at the numbers.

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as you can see he's not even close to Bidens numbers ...

As I (and anyone) can see YOUR NUMBERS dont match reality. Problem with the so-called fact checkers is > the facts.

How does Trump have a number of minus 3.2% for economic growth rate, when his last 2 GDP growth quarters were PLUS 35.2% (an all time high record) and PLUS 4.2% ?

 

[protectionist]

what makes me feel better is you making a fool of yourself like you have here ... i'm still laughing at you...here are the actual facts
The statistics for the entirety of Donald Trump’s time in office are nearly all compiled. As we did for his predecessor four years ago, we present a final look at the numbers.

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as you can see he's not even close to Bidens numbers ...

As I can see, some of YOUR NUMBERS posted here are a crock of sh-t.

• The economy added 13.2 million jobs under Biden, putting the total 3.8 million higher than before the pandemic.

• The unemployment rate dropped for a time to the lowest in nearly 54 years; unfilled job openings surged, with over 1.6 for every unemployed job seeker.

• Inflation roared back to the highest level in over 40 years, then slowed markedly. In all, consumer prices are up nearly 15.7%. Gasoline is up 51.2%.

• Weekly earnings rose briskly, by 12.2%. But after adjusting for inflation, “real” weekly earnings went down 3.4%.

• The S&P 500 has increased 20.2%

• The percentage of Americans without health insurance has gone down by 1.3 percentage points.

• Consumer confidence is 6.4 points lower, according to a University of Michigan index, but it has gone up for two straight months.

• The number of apprehensions of those trying to cross the southern border illegally dropped dramatically in June, but is still up 310%.

• U.S. crude oil production has increased 8.2%; imports are up 7.3%.

• The trade deficit for goods and services climbed 30.1%.

• Debt held by the public has gone up 18.9%.

• Refugee admissions have increased 38.5%, but that’s 2,556 refugees per month on average — far short of Biden’s campaign goal of admitting 125,000 a year.

These numbers don't make any sense. For example, with your Biden numbers, economic growth rate (2nd quarter) is shown as 2.4%. Looking at the numbers fom Biden's Labor Dept (BEA), there is no 2.4% rate showing for ANY quarter when Biden was president.

Here is the fact check of your "fact check".

1. Biden's first 5 quarters show good GDPs, but they are a carryover from Trumps 2020 Q3 when he had 35.2% (biggest % ever).

2. After living off Trump's coattailsfor a year, finally Biden was on his own, and the numbers showed how drastically awful his economy was.

3. 2022 had 6 months of MINUS GDP growth, followed by 2 consecutive recessions of consistently dropping GDPs > 2.7.....2.6.....2.2......2.1

4. So now we're expected to believe that suddenly somehow the bungling Bidens have found the formula and GDP has risen to 4.9% in 2023 Q3. HA HA HA. yeah

5. Actually, this is just a case wherin sleepy Joey woke up from his slumber, and realized HIS Labor Dept (BEA) was reporting the REAL (and really bad) numbers of his terrible economy. You can expect the numbers to look good from here on out, now that HIS BEA boys got taken to the woodshed for reporting the truth. Biden won't let that happen again.

If we look at the oil production numbers, >>

Here's the whole scoop from top to bottom. It shows Trump, by far, outperforming Biden on oil production.
Biden's production is a major reduction from what Trump's production was, and even much more major, when we extrapolate Trump's rising line to January 2023, if he had retained the presidency.

Oil production overall not only increased, during the Trump administration, it soared, and was vastly greater than the production we've gotten with Biden.
Trump production
December 2019 - 402.3 Million Barrels/month
January 2020 - 398.4
And Trump exceeded Biden's top month of 371.2 Million Barrels/month NINE TIMES, despite the Obama low production influences and later, the pandemic months reductions. And note also that Biden's top production month of 371.2, was recently in August of 2022, when he started increasing production, to try to lower gas prices, as we started getting closer to the 2022 ELECTION.

Biden's 2021 average is 341 Million Barrels/month compared to Trump's 374.
Biden's 2022 average (when he ramped up production as the 2022 election drew closer) wasn't much better > 354.

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2017	275,117	255,081	284,146	273,041	284,727	273,321	286,657	286,759	285,499	299,726	302,564	309,486
2018	310,032	287,870	324,467	314,996	323,491	319,216	337,814	353,154	343,298	356,767	356,583	370,284
2019	367,924	326,845	369,292	364,458	376,763	366,546	368,965	387,073	377,710	397,094	390,010	402,314
2020	398,420	372,419	396,693	357,412	301,105	313,275	341,184	327,875	327,623	324,180	335,867	346,223
2021	344,846	277,891	351,102	339,142	352,036	340,693	351,757	349,600	327,526	358,626	353,702	360,666
2022	352,449	316,851	362,725	350,052	360,503	353,918	367,164	371,339	368,040

U.S. Field Production of Crude Oil (Thousand Barrels)

AND, if we extrapolate the EIA graph curve of Trump to now (Dec. 2022) if Trump were still president, it would be whopping 580 Million Barrels/month - HUNDREDS of Barrels/month more than Biden ever allowed produced.

U.S. Field Production of Crude Oil (Thousand Barrels)

Look at the graph line where it peaked at 402 Million Barrels/mo in December of 2019. Because of the climb up to that point, there is every reason to believe, that had the pandemic shutdowns not occured, that rising line would have continued rising exactly as it was already doing. And if Trump had remained president, and we thereby extend-extrapolate the line to as far as December 2022, we can easily see that it would be at about 580 Million Barrels/mo

(209 million Barrels/mo more than Biden's measly 371 Million).

Go ahead - put a ruler on the line that starts at 2017 when Trump took over, and look at where it goes to for December 2022 > 580 Million

All one need do to see the stark difference between the oil-friendly Trump and the oil-hostile Biden, is look at the NOSEDIVE oil production took between Trump's last month, and Biden's first month (when he issued an EO to halt oil drilling)
Trump's last month in office was January 2021 - production was 344 MB/mo. Bidens first month was 277.
A DROP of a whopping 67 MB/mo Sure, because that was right after Biden issued EOs cancelling oil leases

Biden signs executive order pausing federal drilling leases

But we knew all this was going to happen, when Biden told us (during the 2020 debate with Trump) that he was going to "transition" away from fossil fuels, and that's just what he's done, thereby giving us the worst inflation in 40 years,

8th grade schoolkids can tell you that when you decrease supply, prices increase. But in this case, it's not just the one commodity of gas prices at the pump. When gas/deisel prices jump up, ALL prices go up, because manufacturers now have to pay more to transport their goods to stores. Guess who gets hit with those increases.

As for rental housing inflation, its off the chart. 100-200% since Biden took over.

When Trump left office inflation was 1.4%. Look at the graph >>

 

[protectionist]

"Rescued" by massive spending and trillions in Fed dollars.

2.3%. That's it. With all that help. Look it up. Too bad. You are ignorant.

2.3% what ? Speak up, man.

If you are talking about Trump's WHOLE 4 years, that can't be done, due to the 2 quarters of pandemic shutdowns, which were brought about and maintained by Democrats. (such as Pelosi refusing to allow stimulus checks to be sent out).

 

[protectionist]

polls go up and down trumps going to jail so his days are numbered ... go look at Bidens numbers then sit back and see how stupid your post is

• • The economy added 13.9 million jobs, putting the total 4.5 million higher than before the pandemic.
• • The unemployment rate dropped for a time to the lowest in nearly 54 years; unfilled job openings surged, with 3 jobs for every 2 unemployed job seekers.
• • Inflation surged to the highest level in over 40 years. Despite slowing their rise lately, consumer prices are up nearly 17.1% overall. Gasoline is up 50.3%.
• • Average weekly earnings haven’t kept pace with prices. After adjusting for inflation, “real” weekly earnings dropped 3.9%.
• • The U.S. murder rate declined by one-half of a point.
• • Defying economists who have been predicting a recession for more than a year, the economy expanded at an annual rate of 2.2% in the first quarter and 2.1% in the second quarter.
• • After-tax corporate profits increased in the second quarter of this year — the first increase in a year.
• • Inflation-adjusted median household income went down by 2.7%. The official poverty rate is the same as the year before he took office.
• • Those lacking health insurance went down — by 0.7 percentage points by one measure and 1.3 points by another.
• • U.S. crude oil production is up 10.7%; imports are up 7.4%.
• • Homeownership rates have barely budged under Biden.
• • The U.S. accepted 60,014 refugees in fiscal year 2023 — the highest amount in seven years, but less than half of Biden’s campaign goal of admitting up to 125,000.
• • The number of apprehensions of those trying to cross the southern border illegally crept back up in recent months, and is up 300% overall.
• • Debt held by the public has increased by 22.5%.
• • The trade deficit for goods and services has gone up by 24.6%.
• 
  
• this is what Trump left the country to deal with after his do nothing presidency ... Bide trying to turn his mess around and is doing a pretty good job ... gas in my state 2.38 a gallon and it keeps coming down ... trump fucked up this country so bad it has taken a couple of years to turn his mess around ... republicans know only one thing causes debt ... they constantly cutting the tax income to the government ...they can't figure out why the national debt keeps going up ... hers a shocker cut the money in the debt goes up ... you moron republicans haven't figured that one on

Workers RETURNING TO WORK after shutdowns, are not "added jobs". Nice try.

The so-called "debt" is a joke. the US owes no debt to China, Japan, ot the Europeans. If not for the USA and the deaths of 400,000 of our military folks, China today would be a colony of Japan, and Europe would be a colony of Germany.

If there is any real "debt", it is theirs, that they owe to us. (the USA & UK)

 

[Care4all]

Workers RETURNING TO WORK after shutdowns, are not "added jobs". Nice try.

The so-called "debt" is a joke. the US owes no debt to China, Japan, ot the Europeans. If not for the USA and the deaths of 400,000 of our military folks, China today would be a colony of Japan, and Europe would be a colony of Germany.

If there is any real "debt", it is theirs, that they owe to us. (the USA & UK)

Were they lost jobs, when these people were laid off?

 

[protectionist]

Casualties of the major Biden derailment of the US >>

• 44% of workers don't earn enough to owe any income tax.
• 70 million people collect social security.
• 38 million people are on food stamps
• 13 million people work at least 2 jobs
• 10 million people live in rent subsidized units
• Over 2 million are homeless, live in tent cities, or sleep for free on a relative's couch
• Nearly 2 million are in prison or jail. Another 5 million are on court supervised parole, or out on bail awaiting trial.
• Only 1.4 million new homes are built annually, in recent years. This includes apartments, tiny homes, mobile homes, manufactured homes, etc.

 

[protectionist]

Were they lost jobs, when these people were laid off?

 

[eagle1462010]

Were they lost jobs, when these people were laid off?

It was set that way for unemployment benefits. But the jobs in many or most were to return after the PAUSE

 

[Mac1958]

2.3% what ? Speak up, man.

If you are talking about Trump's WHOLE 4 years, that can't be done, due to the 2 quarters of pandemic shutdowns, which were brought about and maintained by Democrats. (such as Pelosi refusing to allow stimulus checks to be sent out).

2.3% GDP growth. I made the mistake of assuming you had some idea about this stuff. I should know better.

This is why I no longer trying to discuss markets & economics -- my profession for over 23 years -- with Trumpsters.

 

[protectionist]

2.3% GDP growth. I made the mistake of assuming you had some idea about this stuff. I should know better.

This is why I no longer trying to discuss markets & economics -- my profession for over 23 years -- with Trumpsters.

Afraid to answer the question ? That's OK. I already smashed your silly Post # 641, in my Post # 646.

Yes, you made a "mistake" all right. You made the mistake of thinking you could include the pandemic, and refer to it as Trump's numbers., which was the Democrat plan all along. Ho hum.

It looks like your "profession" (along with other leftists) is con jobbing, but doing it poorly.

 

[Stann]

So you say I'm lying about having a specialist doctor appointment on Nov. 29th. Wanna bet ?

I don't know you , nor do I care to. Whatever you're doing is your business. There is no reason to lie on here but people do it all the time , for the poorest of reasons and often without any reason. Why are you so paranoid ? This isn't about you personally. It's about trumpeters in general.Sadly mislead and misinformed. Like I've said all along , Living in an alternate reality. Who in their right mind puts their faith in a prolific liar and cheat. Fools would be a kind word for them.

 

[billyerock123]

Workers RETURNING TO WORK after shutdowns, are not "added jobs". Nice try.

The so-called "debt" is a joke. the US owes no debt to China, Japan, ot the Europeans. If not for the USA and the deaths of 400,000 of our military folks, China today would be a colony of Japan, and Europe would be a colony of Germany.

If there is any real "debt", it is theirs, that they owe to us. (the USA & UK)

let me explain to you about the national debt something you repub-lie-clowns just don't seem to get ... here we have a program, a war, you name it ... it's running like it was designed to ... what do repub-lie-clowns do ?? they go to that plan cut the money or the general fun where our social security is, to fund their wars ... what do they do with the program is still running by law... there's no money to pay for it now it becomes a debt to the country the plan starts to fail what do you hear out of these ... repub-lie-clowns.... See government programs don't work... they fail all the time ...social security has all these little IOUs in the social security trust funds what do you repub-lie-clowns say ?? see social; security will fail 2030 something... then you come here and try to tell me about so-called debt ... that we dems caused by tax and spending ... its call tax and paying for the program... its called robbing social security then cry about it failing ...all debt is created bt republicans cutting programs cost that has been allocated to it so you go and talk to somebody about debt
the programs money each and every democrats plan is design to pay for it self and yopu rtepublicans kee cuuttint taxes and try and tell us how terrible the gobbvernment is to run a program ...

 

[billyerock123]

As I can see, some of YOUR NUMBERS posted here are a crock of sh-t.


These numbers don't make any sense. For example, with your Biden numbers, economic growth rate (2nd quarter) is shown as 2.4%. Looking at the numbers fom Biden's Labor Dept (BEA), there is no 2.4% rate showing for ANY quarter when Biden was president.

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Here is the fact check of your "fact check".

1. Biden's first 5 quarters show good GDPs, but they are a carryover from Trumps 2020 Q3 when he had 35.2% (biggest % ever).

2. After living off Trump's coattailsfor a year, finally Biden was on his own, and the numbers showed how drastically awful his economy was.

3. 2022 had 6 months of MINUS GDP growth, followed by 2 consecutive recessions of consistently dropping GDPs > 2.7.....2.6.....2.2......2.1

4. So now we're expected to believe that suddenly somehow the bungling Bidens have found the formula and GDP has risen to 4.9% in 2023 Q3. HA HA HA. yeah

5. Actually, this is just a case wherin sleepy Joey woke up from his slumber, and realized HIS Labor Dept (BEA) was reporting the REAL (and really bad) numbers of his terrible economy. You can expect the numbers to look good from here on out, now that HIS BEA boys got taken to the woodshed for reporting the truth. Biden won't let that happen again.

If we look at the oil production numbers, >>

Here's the whole scoop from top to bottom. It shows Trump, by far, outperforming Biden on oil production.
Biden's production is a major reduction from what Trump's production was, and even much more major, when we extrapolate Trump's rising line to January 2023, if he had retained the presidency.

Oil production overall not only increased, during the Trump administration, it soared, and was vastly greater than the production we've gotten with Biden.
Trump production
December 2019 - 402.3 Million Barrels/month
January 2020 - 398.4
And Trump exceeded Biden's top month of 371.2 Million Barrels/month NINE TIMES, despite the Obama low production influences and later, the pandemic months reductions. And note also that Biden's top production month of 371.2, was recently in August of 2022, when he started increasing production, to try to lower gas prices, as we started getting closer to the 2022 ELECTION.

Biden's 2021 average is 341 Million Barrels/month compared to Trump's 374.
Biden's 2022 average (when he ramped up production as the 2022 election drew closer) wasn't much better > 354.

												8
2017	275,117	255,081	284,146	273,041	284,727	273,321	286,657	286,759	285,499	299,726	302,564	309,486
2018	310,032	287,870	324,467	314,996	323,491	319,216	337,814	353,154	343,298	356,767	356,583	370,284
2019	367,924	326,845	369,292	364,458	376,763	366,546	368,965	387,073	377,710	397,094	390,010	402,314
2020	398,420	372,419	396,693	357,412	301,105	313,275	341,184	327,875	327,623	324,180	335,867	346,223
2021	344,846	277,891	351,102	339,142	352,036	340,693	351,757	349,600	327,526	358,626	353,702	360,666
2022	352,449	316,851	362,725	350,052	360,503	353,918	367,164	371,339	368,040

U.S. Field Production of Crude Oil (Thousand Barrels)

AND, if we extrapolate the EIA graph curve of Trump to now (Dec. 2022) if Trump were still president, it would be whopping 580 Million Barrels/month - HUNDREDS of Barrels/month more than Biden ever allowed produced.

U.S. Field Production of Crude Oil (Thousand Barrels)

Look at the graph line where it peaked at 402 Million Barrels/mo in December of 2019. Because of the climb up to that point, there is every reason to believe, that had the pandemic shutdowns not occured, that rising line would have continued rising exactly as it was already doing. And if Trump had remained president, and we thereby extend-extrapolate the line to as far as December 2022, we can easily see that it would be at about 580 Million Barrels/mo

(209 million Barrels/mo more than Biden's measly 371 Million).

Go ahead - put a ruler on the line that starts at 2017 when Trump took over, and look at where it goes to for December 2022 > 580 Million

All one need do to see the stark difference between the oil-friendly Trump and the oil-hostile Biden, is look at the NOSEDIVE oil production took between Trump's last month, and Biden's first month (when he issued an EO to halt oil drilling)
Trump's last month in office was January 2021 - production was 344 MB/mo. Bidens first month was 277.
A DROP of a whopping 67 MB/mo Sure, because that was right after Biden issued EOs cancelling oil leases

Biden signs executive order pausing federal drilling leases

But we knew all this was going to happen, when Biden told us (during the 2020 debate with Trump) that he was going to "transition" away from fossil fuels, and that's just what he's done, thereby giving us the worst inflation in 40 years,

8th grade schoolkids can tell you that when you decrease supply, prices increase. But in this case, it's not just the one commodity of gas prices at the pump. When gas/deisel prices jump up, ALL prices go up, because manufacturers now have to pay more to transport their goods to stores. Guess who gets hit with those increases.

As for rental housing inflation, its off the chart. 100-200% since Biden took over.

When Trump left office inflation was 1.4%. Look at the graph >>

View attachment 862664

Boy did you waste a lot of time … as trump had lost the presidency before covid had hit in its full exposure to the country, this was 2019 he was told to brace for a pandemic coming trump didn’t do that… he felt if the country knew there was a pandemic coming it would make him look bad … trump did the opposite he told the country it was now worse the the flue coming … then the people started dying thousands of people dying the market took a dive as the market was dropping and people were dying … Biden got elected that’s when the democrats took over the numbers were horrible … you tend to remember how only bad things things were when Biden’s took iver Biden right of the top started turning all the mess trump made … biden started turning it around with the break through of the covid vaccine people slowly stop dying… as this happen Biden's numbers slowly turning the country around… that's what you were show here is all the work the Obama administration did when trump took over it took trump 3 years to start fucking those up if trump and the Republican Party … with all of their tax cuts for the rich causing 8 trillion dollars of debt in the national budget …you can post all of your bull shit numbers you want what you did do is actuall what trump and the republicans did… that’s where you failed all of their good numbers as I said was the roll over from the biden and Obama admistration did … and as I said the numbers as you have shown us here what you didn’t do is show the numbers trump did when he started fucking thins up why did’t you do that … no have shown all of Biden’s bad numbers during the pandemic why not trumps … could it be it was a direct dive to the bottom fucking up the country … don’t bother not interested in your bull shit numbers …

 

[protectionist]

Most of Trump's doubling the national debt occurred before the COVID pandemic was upon us. Explain how he did that and why no Republicans tried to corral his spending like their doing with Biden now . Who by the way has spent far less in comparison and accomplished a lot more with it. Things that actually help America , not destroy it.

Most debt added during the Trump years was related to th pandemic brought abut by Democrats, and Democrats use of it to shutdown the US economy, to make Trump look bad in an election year

 

[protectionist]

let me explain to you about the national debt something you repub-lie-clowns just don't seem to get ... here we have a program, a war, you name it ... it's running like it was designed to ... what do repub-lie-clowns do ?? they go to that plan cut the money or the general fun where our social security is, to fund their wars ... what do they do with the program is still running by law... there's no money to pay for it now it becomes a debt to the country the plan starts to fail what do you hear out of these ... repub-lie-clowns.... See government programs don't work... they fail all the time ...social security has all these little IOUs in the social security trust funds what do you repub-lie-clowns say ?? see social; security will fail 2030 something... then you come here and try to tell me about so-called debt ... that we dems caused by tax and spending ... its call tax and paying for the program... its called robbing social security then cry about it failing ...all debt is created bt republicans cutting programs cost that has been allocated to it so you go and talk to somebody about debt
the programs money each and every democrats plan is design to pay for it self and yopu rtepublicans kee cuuttint taxes and try and tell us how terrible the gobbvernment is to run a program ...

So you are up to date on Democrat propaganda jibberish. 10-4. Message received.

 

[protectionist]

I don't know you , nor do I care to. Whatever you're doing is your business. There is no reason to lie on here but people do it all the time , for the poorest of reasons and often without any reason. Why are you so paranoid ? This isn't about you personally. It's about trumpeters in general.Sadly mislead and misinformed. Like I've said all along , Living in an alternate reality. Who in their right mind puts their faith in a prolific liar and cheat. Fools would be a kind word for them.

When I said I was going to see a specialist , you posted a disagree rating.

 

[protectionist]

Boy did you waste a lot of time … as trump had lost the presidency before covid had hit in its full exposure to the country, this was 2019 he was told to brace for a pandemic coming trump didn’t do that… he felt if the country knew there was a pandemic coming it would make him look bad … trump did the opposite he told the country it was now worse the the flue coming … then the people started dying thousands of people dying the market took a dive as the market was dropping and people were dying … Biden got elected that’s when the democrats took over the numbers were horrible … you tend to remember how only bad things things were when Biden’s took iver Biden right of the top started turning all the mess trump made … biden started turning it around with the break through of the covid vaccine people slowly stop dying… as this happen Biden's numbers slowly turning the country around… that's what you were show here is all the work the Obama administration did when trump took over it took trump 3 years to start fucking those up if trump and the Republican Party … with all of their tax cuts for the rich causing 8 trillion dollars of debt in the national budget …you can post all of your bull shit numbers you want what you did do is actuall what trump and the republicans did… that’s where you failed all of their good numbers as I said was the roll over from the biden and Obama admistration did … and as I said the numbers as you have shown us here what you didn’t do is show the numbers trump did when he started fucking thins up why did’t you do that … no have shown all of Biden’s bad numbers during the pandemic why not trumps … could it be it was a direct dive to the bottom fucking up the country … don’t bother not interested in your bull shit numbers …

No need to bother reading this drivel. It's the Democrat line, conjured, concoted, created, dishonest bullshit. Want an example ?

Example .. >

Biden got elected that’s when the democrats took over the numbers were horrible

FALSE! the numbers were good in when Trump left office..Here's the last 2 quarters of 2020 >>
Q3 - 35.2% GDP.......
Q4 - 4.2% GDP