Trump falsely states USA is the most highly taxed nation in the world

Poor are mad because other people are rich, then they vote democrats expecting they will be better off when democrats are in power. Cause, really...democrats will take from rich and give to poor, right? Then they become even more poor. Every single time.

Why poor people vote consistently for democrat is beyond stupid.


ONE policy conservatives have EVER been on the correct side of US history? JUST ONE???

Opposition to public housing projects. It turned out to be well-founded.
Cold war policies turns out to be spot on.
Welfare to Work in the 1990s.
Gun rights.
More?

Opposition to public housing is a policy? lol

Gun rights a policy?

Cold war policies? Oh you mean the policy the Dems started and followed from 1945-FORWARD? Nah, communism IS/WAS a failed policy dummy, USSR is gone, but Putin/Russia ARE still there!

ONE policy you did name :

The Failure Of Welfare Reform Hits New Records


The percentage of poor families with children, those meant to be the primary beneficiaries of the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program (TANF, or welfare), who don’t receive benefits has reached a record high, according to a report from Legal Momentum.

In 1996, just 28 percent of poor families with children missed out on the benefits. But that share has since soared, and in 2012 it hit a record of 74 percent.

1996 is the year President Clinton signed welfare reform into law, dramatically transforming the program. It changed from cost-sharing model, where the federal government’s contribution to fund state welfare programs increased as need increased, to a block grant, in which the government now gives states a fixed amount and they have wider discretion over how to design their programs. That amount hasn’t changed since the reforms took place, losing 30 percent of its value to inflation. Meanwhile, states have used their latitude to redirect much of the funding and took actions to shrink welfare rolls in the face of budget shortfalls.

The 1990s reforms have hampered the program from rising to meet Americans’ needs. While the number of poor families initially declined, it started increasing again in 2000 and has been growing, yet fewer and fewer families can rely on welfare to help them get by when they fall into poverty. “Over the last 16 years, the national TANF caseload has declined by 60 percent, even as poverty and deep poverty have worsened,” notes the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.


The Failure Of Welfare Reform Hits New Records


Welfare reform has increased the financial incentives for state governments to promote movement by recipients of assistance from Temporary Assistance for Needy Families to the Supplemental Security Income program. Trends in TANF benefits show an increase in the gain for recipients from doing so.


Disability, Welfare Reform, and Supplemental Security Income


For both states and the individuals involved, it is generally financially advantageous for adults and children with disabilities to transfer from TANF to SSI. States gain because the federal government pays for the SSI benefit, and states can then use the TANF savings for other purposes. The families gain because the SSI benefits they acquire are greater than the TANF benefits they lose. The payoff to states from transferring welfare recipients to SSI was substantially increased when Congress replaced AFDC with TANF in 1996. States retained less than half of any savings achieved through such transfers under AFDC, but they retain all of the savings under TANF. Also, the work participation requirements under TANF have obligated states to address the work support needs of adults with disabilities who remain in TANF, and states can avoid these costs if adults have disabilities that satisfy SSI eligibility requirements. The incentive for TANF recipients to apply for SSI has increased over time as inflation has caused real TANF benefits to fall relative to payments received by SSI recipients.

The TANF/SSI Connection


AGAIN, ONE POLICY CONS HAVE GIVEN US, THAT HAS WORKED OR BEEN ON THE CORRECT SIDE OF US HISTORY???





 
The U.S. has the highest Corporate Tax Rate in the World. That's probably what he was referring to. We should follow Canada's lead and lower the rate. Canada's economy has boomed since.


The five countries with the highest corporate tax rates - Fortune


CONS ALWAYS simple solutions to complex issues



Jul 1, 2013 - Large, profitable U.S. corporations paid an average effective federal tax rate of 12.6% in 2010, the Government Accountability Office said ...

GAO: U.S. corporations pay average effective tax rate of 12.6%



Feb 25, 2014 - Many of the most profitable U.S. corporations paid little or no federal income tax ...





n">Many of the most profitable U.S. corporations paid little or no federal income tax from 2008 to 2012, according to a five-year study issued on Tuesday by a left-leaning tax activist group.

Citizens for Tax Justice looked at 288 profitable Fortune 500 companies and said that 26 of them - including Boeing Co (BA.N), General Electric Co (GE.N) and Verizon Communications Inc (VZ.N) - paid no federal income tax in the five-year period.

The group also said that 111 of the 288 companies paid no federal income tax in at least one of the five years measured.

Many big U.S. corporations pay very little in taxes: study


Expert debunks claim U.S. corporate taxes are too high

The 35 percent statutory U.S. corporate tax rate is the highest in the world. But according to a paper published earlier this month by University of Southern California law professor Edward Kleinbard, many companies don't pay anywhere near that much due to the plethora of loopholes in the tax code.

Expert debunks claim U.S. corporate taxes are too high



While the statutory corporate income tax rate for the U.S. may be high compared to those of other countries, the total federal corporate income tax collected in the U.S. in 2010 was equal to just 1.3 percent of our gross domestic product — in other words, 1.3 percent of our total economic output — according to the Treasury Department. The figure is 1.6 percent of GDP when state corporate income taxes are included.[3]

Data from the Organizations for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) show that the OECD countries other than the U.S. collected corporate tax revenue equal to 2.8 percent of their combined GDPs in 2010. This is another way of saying that the weighted average of corporate tax collected as a percentage of GDP for the countries that are the U.S.’s main trading partners and competitors was 2.8 percent in 2010. (2010 is the most recent year for which the OECD has complete data.)

Bernie Sanders Is Right and the Tax Foundation Is Wrong: The U.S. Has Very Low Corporate Income Taxes | CTJReports




U.S. Tax Rates: The Big Picture


There is, however, historical data from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) that shows taxes as a percentage of gross domestic product (total economic output) since 1965. The OECD defines individual taxes as “personal income taxes, including those deducted by employers (pay-as-you-earn taxes), and surtaxes” while corporate taxes include “corporate income taxes, corporate profits taxes, corporate surtaxes, etc”.



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Where does the U.S. rank among other wealthy countries in the OECD database? This is how individual taxes stacked up in 2011:

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U.S. Tax Rates: The Big Picture


 
Does the U.S. have the highest corporate tax rate in the free world?

This article is saying that if we massage the numbers, and look at strictly deductions but not factors that have big applications to the study in these other countries (like healthcare policy), we are only second in highest CTR among developed nations... Yay!


While the statutory corporate income tax rate for the U.S. may be high compared to those of other countries, the total federal corporate income tax collected in the U.S. in 2010 was equal to just 1.3 percent of our gross domestic product — in other words, 1.3 percent of our total economic output — according to the Treasury Department. The figure is 1.6 percent of GDP when state corporate income taxes are included.[3]

Data from the Organizations for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) show that the OECD countries other than the U.S. collected corporate tax revenue equal to 2.8 percent of their combined GDPs in 2010. This is another way of saying that the weighted average of corporate tax collected as a percentage of GDP for the countries that are the U.S.’s main trading partners and competitors was 2.8 percent in 2010. (2010 is the most recent year for which the OECD has complete data.)
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Corporate Income Taxes


Many corporate leaders have noted that other OECD countries have lowered their corporate tax rates in recent years, but fail to mention that these countries have also closed corporate tax loopholes while the U.S. has expanded them. As a result, the U.S. collects less corporate taxes as a share of GDP than all but one of the 26 OECD countries for which data are available.


THEIR GRAPH WOULDN'T COPY BUT A SIMILAR ONE


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Corporate_Income_Tax_as_a_Share_of_GDP_1946_-_2009.gif








http://www.ctj.org/pdf/oecd201106.pdf
 
Politifact says we are in the middle of the pack.Trump is dumb. Donald Trump says U.S. is 'most highly taxed nation in the world'

Uhmmm...

That article isn't analyzing it the same way as Trump surely meant it. The way I see it, they're comparing tax per GDP and tax per capita. However, in terms of raw tax revenue, the US is definitely the highest. According to the data set they were quoting, US brings in four times as much taxes as the number two, Germany. Big China is not even in that list.

Dumbass, the US economy is the size of EU COMBINED. Only the low informed (read GOP voter), "thinks" ANY economists measures a nations taxes in ANYWAY but GDP is a moron!

"Raw tax revenues" lol
But I just can't figure out why companies want to move out of the us, to conduct business elsewhere? We need to start forcing them to stay in the us right?


REALLY? You mean you can't THINK and realize since "free trade" has allowed them to chase lower labor costs, creating my wealth for the "job creators" AND the tax "burden has been DRAMATICALLY dropped for them, THAT MIGHT have something to do with it?



NOTE ANYTHING HERE?



average_effective_federal_tax_rates.png
 
America should be the least taxed nation on earth. That's what our Founders fought and died for. It's what our Revolution was all about. Lowest taxes possible and Entrepreneurship. That's what America's supposed to be all about.


Fukkn MORON, THAT'S NOT WHAT IT WAS ABOUT. Read a gawddam history book and get off hate talk radio!
 
Politifact says we are in the middle of the pack.Trump is dumb. Donald Trump says U.S. is 'most highly taxed nation in the world'

Do you know of another Country that brings in 3 Trillion in Taxes?
China had 1.8 Trillion in 2013 and they have 1.36 billion people compared to USA with 318 million.
So yes he is right, the USA brings in more Taxes than any other nation.


NOMINAL DOLLARS? lol, TRY to THINK, how do ECONOMISTS measure it? What's the average wage of China? lol

ECONOMISTS MEASURE PERCENT OF GDP, AND THE US IS VERY, VERY LOW FOR A DEVELOPED NATION DUMMY!
 
America is supposed to be the land of low taxes and Entrepreneurship. That's what our Founders wanted. But we've lost our way. Too many Americans want to punish success because they're too lazy to get out and go for it themselves.

It's exactly what Winston Churchill talked about in reference to Socialism/Communism back in the day. I urge people to check out some of his comments.


Winston Churchill was a Bolshevik


Long before many of today’s frothing right-wing demagogues were born, American conservatives came to idolize Winston Churchill, the late Tory prime minister whose wartime leadership of the British people transformed into the living symbol of democracy armed. That reputation was cemented by his legendary Missouri speech in 1946 warning of the “Iron Curtain” drawn by the Soviet Communists across Eastern Europe. Indeed, journalists and bloggers on the right admire the old warhorse so much that he has even outpolled Ronald Reagan as their “Man of the Century.”

Yet by the standards of the present moment, as these same conservatives mobilize against health care reform to “stop socialism,” that same great man was actually a raving Bolshevik. For among his most enduring legacies was the founding and sustenance of the system that became the National Health Service. Arguably as much as any other British politician, it was Churchill who established “socialized medicine.”


Winston Churchill was a Bolshevik
 
Are you EVER going to post ANYTHING relevant? Highly doubtful!

It's only irrelevant because you're a fucking illiterate


Got it, you'll stick with your usual bullshit. hmm

Again, not my fault you're incapable of understanding things, I blame our public education system for failing you

I say it a socipatholgy that runs rampant among the right wingers like you Bubs
Entitlement is the definition of sociopathology. It is what defines a sociopath, where they make their decisions, that guy has it, it should be mine. If I get it by whatever means, I earned it



LOL, You moron, think GOV'T POLICY is sociopath? lol


Adam Smith, Thomas Jefferson, and other fellow travelers

If there was one thing the Revolutionary generation agreed on — and those guys who dress up like them at Tea Party conventions most definitely do not — it was the incompatibility of democracy and inherited wealth.


DAMN SOCIOPATHS!


 
America is supposed to be the land of low taxes and Entrepreneurship. That's what our Founders wanted. But we've lost our way. Too many Americans want to punish success because they're too lazy to get out and go for it themselves.

It's exactly what Winston Churchill talked about in reference to Socialism/Communism back in the day. I urge people to check out some of his comments.

With this, if you are a thinking individual, you have to agree. The government has WASTED to much money, DEMANDED more, and tries to convince you it is FAIR. How DUMB are we?

I personally believe that Americans will pay whatever it takes; IF, and only IF, WASHINGTON gets its crapola together. You can not spend 1/3 of domestic spending on "government waste," then turn around and tell the people you need more money, lol.

Come on Americans, why would you want to pay MORE of your paycheck to government, when they waste 1/3 of what you send them?

Imagine if you are a middle class tax payer, and you pay 6000 bucks a year in federal income taxes. If the feds got their stuff under control, 1000 bucks would help them, and you could pocket 1000 bucks and it would be BETTER! To ignore this reality is just everyone throwing everyone else under the bus.


YOU are doing a pretty damn good job of ignoring REALITY. 1/3RD? lol
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America is supposed to be the land of low taxes and Entrepreneurship. That's what our Founders wanted. But we've lost our way. Too many Americans want to punish success because they're too lazy to get out and go for it themselves.

It's exactly what Winston Churchill talked about in reference to Socialism/Communism back in the day. I urge people to check out some of his comments.

With this, if you are a thinking individual, you have to agree. The government has WASTED to much money, DEMANDED more, and tries to convince you it is FAIR. How DUMB are we?

I personally believe that Americans will pay whatever it takes; IF, and only IF, WASHINGTON gets its crapola together. You can not spend 1/3 of domestic spending on "government waste," then turn around and tell the people you need more money, lol.

Come on Americans, why would you want to pay MORE of your paycheck to government, when they waste 1/3 of what you send them?

Imagine if you are a middle class tax payer, and you pay 6000 bucks a year in federal income taxes. If the feds got their stuff under control, 1000 bucks would help them, and you could pocket 1000 bucks and it would be BETTER! To ignore this reality is just everyone throwing everyone else under the bus.
If government was a charity, and we looked into how much money allocated for helping people, actually went to helping people. We'd all (left and right) be calling for people to stop donating to them. I don't know why the left is so against getting a bigger bang for the taxpayers buck.

Why play to the low informed mass? What besides the usual right wing memes do you have to back up your BS?

Hint OVER HALF of DISCRETIONARY spending goes to the MIC


us_budget-2010.png
 
America is supposed to be the land of low taxes and Entrepreneurship. That's what our Founders wanted. But we've lost our way. Too many Americans want to punish success because they're too lazy to get out and go for it themselves.

It's exactly what Winston Churchill talked about in reference to Socialism/Communism back in the day. I urge people to check out some of his comments.


Winston Churchill was a Bolshevik


Long before many of today’s frothing right-wing demagogues were born, American conservatives came to idolize Winston Churchill, the late Tory prime minister whose wartime leadership of the British people transformed into the living symbol of democracy armed. That reputation was cemented by his legendary Missouri speech in 1946 warning of the “Iron Curtain” drawn by the Soviet Communists across Eastern Europe. Indeed, journalists and bloggers on the right admire the old warhorse so much that he has even outpolled Ronald Reagan as their “Man of the Century.”

Yet by the standards of the present moment, as these same conservatives mobilize against health care reform to “stop socialism,” that same great man was actually a raving Bolshevik. For among his most enduring legacies was the founding and sustenance of the system that became the National Health Service. Arguably as much as any other British politician, it was Churchill who established “socialized medicine.”


Winston Churchill was a Bolshevik
And the National Health Service stayed in place through Thatcher, too.
 
Politifact says we are in the middle of the pack.Trump is dumb. Donald Trump says U.S. is 'most highly taxed nation in the world'

Uhmmm...

That article isn't analyzing it the same way as Trump surely meant it. The way I see it, they're comparing tax per GDP and tax per capita. However, in terms of raw tax revenue, the US is definitely the highest. According to the data set they were quoting, US brings in four times as much taxes as the number two, Germany. Big China is not even in that list.

Dumbass, the US economy is the size of EU COMBINED. Only the low informed (read GOP voter), "thinks" ANY economists measures a nations taxes in ANYWAY but GDP is a moron!

"Raw tax revenues" lol
But I just can't figure out why companies want to move out of the us, to conduct business elsewhere? We need to start forcing them to stay in the us right?


REALLY? You mean you can't THINK and realize since "free trade" has allowed them to chase lower labor costs, creating my wealth for the "job creators" AND the tax "burden has been DRAMATICALLY dropped for them, THAT MIGHT have something to do with it?



NOTE ANYTHING HERE?



average_effective_federal_tax_rates.png
So force them to stay in the country right?
 
It's only irrelevant because you're a fucking illiterate


Got it, you'll stick with your usual bullshit. hmm

Again, not my fault you're incapable of understanding things, I blame our public education system for failing you

I say it a socipatholgy that runs rampant among the right wingers like you Bubs
Entitlement is the definition of sociopathology. It is what defines a sociopath, where they make their decisions, that guy has it, it should be mine. If I get it by whatever means, I earned it



LOL, You moron, think GOV'T POLICY is sociopath? lol


Adam Smith, Thomas Jefferson, and other fellow travelers

If there was one thing the Revolutionary generation agreed on — and those guys who dress up like them at Tea Party conventions most definitely do not — it was the incompatibility of democracy and inherited wealth.


DAMN SOCIOPATHS!

Ha no revolutionary war was fought over tarriffs, mass warrants, taxation without representation, and finally attempted gun confiscation.
 
America is supposed to be the land of low taxes and Entrepreneurship. That's what our Founders wanted. But we've lost our way. Too many Americans want to punish success because they're too lazy to get out and go for it themselves.

It's exactly what Winston Churchill talked about in reference to Socialism/Communism back in the day. I urge people to check out some of his comments.

With this, if you are a thinking individual, you have to agree. The government has WASTED to much money, DEMANDED more, and tries to convince you it is FAIR. How DUMB are we?

I personally believe that Americans will pay whatever it takes; IF, and only IF, WASHINGTON gets its crapola together. You can not spend 1/3 of domestic spending on "government waste," then turn around and tell the people you need more money, lol.

Come on Americans, why would you want to pay MORE of your paycheck to government, when they waste 1/3 of what you send them?

Imagine if you are a middle class tax payer, and you pay 6000 bucks a year in federal income taxes. If the feds got their stuff under control, 1000 bucks would help them, and you could pocket 1000 bucks and it would be BETTER! To ignore this reality is just everyone throwing everyone else under the bus.
If government was a charity, and we looked into how much money allocated for helping people, actually went to helping people. We'd all (left and right) be calling for people to stop donating to them. I don't know why the left is so against getting a bigger bang for the taxpayers buck.

Why play to the low informed mass? What besides the usual right wing memes do you have to back up your BS?

Hint OVER HALF of DISCRETIONARY spending goes to the MIC


us_budget-2010.png
And your trying to tell me that government is not wasteful, and should receive more money?
 
Does the U.S. have the highest corporate tax rate in the free world?

This article is saying that if we massage the numbers, and look at strictly deductions but not factors that have big applications to the study in these other countries (like healthcare policy), we are only second in highest CTR among developed nations... Yay!


While the statutory corporate income tax rate for the U.S. may be high compared to those of other countries, the total federal corporate income tax collected in the U.S. in 2010 was equal to just 1.3 percent of our gross domestic product — in other words, 1.3 percent of our total economic output — according to the Treasury Department. The figure is 1.6 percent of GDP when state corporate income taxes are included.[3]

Data from the Organizations for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) show that the OECD countries other than the U.S. collected corporate tax revenue equal to 2.8 percent of their combined GDPs in 2010. This is another way of saying that the weighted average of corporate tax collected as a percentage of GDP for the countries that are the U.S.’s main trading partners and competitors was 2.8 percent in 2010. (2010 is the most recent year for which the OECD has complete data.)
CTJReports
/bernie_sanders_is_right_and_the_tax_foundation_is_wrong_the_us_has_very_low_corporate_income_taxes.php#.VeOr7JdnGNM


Corporate Income Taxes


Many corporate leaders have noted that other OECD countries have lowered their corporate tax rates in recent years, but fail to mention that these countries have also closed corporate tax loopholes while the U.S. has expanded them. As a result, the U.S. collects less corporate taxes as a share of GDP than all but one of the 26 OECD countries for which data are available.


THEIR GRAPH WOULDN'T COPY BUT A SIMILAR ONE


final-chart.png






Corporate_Income_Tax_as_a_Share_of_GDP_1946_-_2009.gif








http://www.ctj.org/pdf/oecd201106.pdf
Uh-huh and the answer continuing in our current Tax system, but just improve it?
 
Much of what Trump states is false.
I agree, it's half truths. He saying government is stupid, and I shall rule it better.


WHILE playing to the low informed rubes who want to elect guys like him, Ronnie/Dubya who "don't believe in"Gov't and work from within to destroy it. Weird
Ronnie was so so till he got shot, dubya was a progressive. And H dubya held the leash after Ronnie got shot, and took over the reigns after Ronnie. Have I ever defended these guys once? Nice comeback
 
Got it, you'll stick with your usual bullshit. hmm

Again, not my fault you're incapable of understanding things, I blame our public education system for failing you

I say it a socipatholgy that runs rampant among the right wingers like you Bubs
Entitlement is the definition of sociopathology. It is what defines a sociopath, where they make their decisions, that guy has it, it should be mine. If I get it by whatever means, I earned it



LOL, You moron, think GOV'T POLICY is sociopath? lol


Adam Smith, Thomas Jefferson, and other fellow travelers

If there was one thing the Revolutionary generation agreed on — and those guys who dress up like them at Tea Party conventions most definitely do not — it was the incompatibility of democracy and inherited wealth.


DAMN SOCIOPATHS!

Ha no revolutionary war was fought over tarriffs, mass warrants, taxation without representation, and finally attempted gun confiscation.

AND?
 
Politifact says we are in the middle of the pack.Trump is dumb. Donald Trump says U.S. is 'most highly taxed nation in the world'

Uhmmm...

That article isn't analyzing it the same way as Trump surely meant it. The way I see it, they're comparing tax per GDP and tax per capita. However, in terms of raw tax revenue, the US is definitely the highest. According to the data set they were quoting, US brings in four times as much taxes as the number two, Germany. Big China is not even in that list.

Dumbass, the US economy is the size of EU COMBINED. Only the low informed (read GOP voter), "thinks" ANY economists measures a nations taxes in ANYWAY but GDP is a moron!

"Raw tax revenues" lol
But I just can't figure out why companies want to move out of the us, to conduct business elsewhere? We need to start forcing them to stay in the us right?


REALLY? You mean you can't THINK and realize since "free trade" has allowed them to chase lower labor costs, creating my wealth for the "job creators" AND the tax "burden has been DRAMATICALLY dropped for them, THAT MIGHT have something to do with it?



NOTE ANYTHING HERE?



average_effective_federal_tax_rates.png
So force them to stay in the country right?



Or we could elect guys who BELIEVE IN Gov't AND their policies that CAN make US great again, unlike EVERY CONservative/GOPer for 30+ years? You know since the wealth IS already in America, we could have laws that benefit SOCIETY as a whole AGAIN? Over the plutocrat class?
 
Does the U.S. have the highest corporate tax rate in the free world?

This article is saying that if we massage the numbers, and look at strictly deductions but not factors that have big applications to the study in these other countries (like healthcare policy), we are only second in highest CTR among developed nations... Yay!


While the statutory corporate income tax rate for the U.S. may be high compared to those of other countries, the total federal corporate income tax collected in the U.S. in 2010 was equal to just 1.3 percent of our gross domestic product — in other words, 1.3 percent of our total economic output — according to the Treasury Department. The figure is 1.6 percent of GDP when state corporate income taxes are included.[3]

Data from the Organizations for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) show that the OECD countries other than the U.S. collected corporate tax revenue equal to 2.8 percent of their combined GDPs in 2010. This is another way of saying that the weighted average of corporate tax collected as a percentage of GDP for the countries that are the U.S.’s main trading partners and competitors was 2.8 percent in 2010. (2010 is the most recent year for which the OECD has complete data.)
CTJReports
/bernie_sanders_is_right_and_the_tax_foundation_is_wrong_the_us_has_very_low_corporate_income_taxes.php#.VeOr7JdnGNM


Corporate Income Taxes


Many corporate leaders have noted that other OECD countries have lowered their corporate tax rates in recent years, but fail to mention that these countries have also closed corporate tax loopholes while the U.S. has expanded them. As a result, the U.S. collects less corporate taxes as a share of GDP than all but one of the 26 OECD countries for which data are available.


THEIR GRAPH WOULDN'T COPY BUT A SIMILAR ONE


final-chart.png






Corporate_Income_Tax_as_a_Share_of_GDP_1946_-_2009.gif








http://www.ctj.org/pdf/oecd201106.pdf
Uh-huh and the answer continuing in our current Tax system, but just improve it?


Weird, I blew up the premise that Corps were overly taxed in the US, AND YOU COME BACK WITH THAT CRAP? lol
 

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