Trump clarifies the "fine people on both sides" of the issue comment

[Hossfly]

I remember a time when it was a Federal crime to belong to the NAZI or Communist parties. What the hell happened? Those bozos should be rounded up and shot.

 

[forkup]

There were a lot of people there who weren't part of those groups hanging around. You need to ask if I'm a nazi or flying a confederate flag.
You take leaps and bounds trying to connect dots that just isn't there and twist the truth to become a lie with what you're inferring, doll.

And there may have been others there like the media and others watching those two sides. But when talking about those two sides specifically I personally don't think good people join the side of Nazis and the Klan.

I can't argue with what you personally think, SandSquid. But you may be right...or you may be wrong with that assumption.
You and I don't know. But, rest assured the Trump wasn't calling those good people.

Meister, are you sure about that? I'm pretty sure that Trump has not lost any support from "those people", precisely because Trump is so ambiguous when it comes to condemning "those people". It was the case during the campaign and it's still the case now. Trump condemns "those people" only when there's a proverbial gun to his head." Those people" consider Trump as someone who shares their ideology.

Well, when you had the constant drum beat from the media saying it was so, those people were stupid enough to
think he actually was. He has done enough in his career to prove otherwise. Also, he was never called a racist until he
threw his hat in the ring.

If your position on race is sufficiently unclear that neo-nazi's consider you an ally I contend you are either the worst communicator in the world, are unclear about it on purpose, or you are in fact a racist. Whatever it is you should not be president. What has he done to prove otherwise by the way. Just out of curiosity.

This is Trump right?
Claiming he doesn't know David Duke and refusing to disavow the KKK. Not spin from the media, simply Trump NOT disavowing them

 

[bodecea]

1. The fake news MSM continually characterizes Trump's comment as "fine people" referring to both the "white supremacists and Neo-nazis" as well as the protesters.
2. Trump said "see the entire tape" and you will see that he actually said that the "fine people" was referring to was both debate sides over the removal of the Robert E. Lee statue. I saw the entire tape and Trump did say that he condemns Neo-nazis and white supremacists. He further clarified that Robert E. Lee was one of the greatest generals the US ever produced, and that his strategies are still studied and useful today.
3. Trump Didn't Call Neo-Nazis 'Fine People.' Here's Proof. | RealClearPolitics

The issue was the weak condemnation of the Nazis and pivot to trying to attack the ANTIFA protestors. Yes, good people on both sides was referring to the monument debate. When you look at how Trump goes after his enemies and then how he “went after” Nazis in this situation, where a women was killed, you see a stark difference. This is the major source of issue and concern amongst his opposers. Do you understand that?

Get back to us after the Prog-Dem leaders denounce ANTIFA and their ilk.


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I see.....so you want anti-fascists denounced. That's an interesting take.

 

[forkup]

And there may have been others there like the media and others watching those two sides. But when talking about those two sides specifically I personally don't think good people join the side of Nazis and the Klan.

I can't argue with what you personally think, SandSquid. But you may be right...or you may be wrong with that assumption.
You and I don't know. But, rest assured the Trump wasn't calling those good people.

Meister, are you sure about that? I'm pretty sure that Trump has not lost any support from "those people", precisely because Trump is so ambiguous when it comes to condemning "those people". It was the case during the campaign and it's still the case now. Trump condemns "those people" only when there's a proverbial gun to his head." Those people" consider Trump as someone who shares their ideology.

Well, when you had the constant drum beat from the media saying it was so, those people were stupid enough to
think he actually was. He has done enough in his career to prove otherwise. Also, he was never called a racist until he
threw his hat in the ring.

If your position on race is sufficiently unclear that neo-nazi's consider you an ally I contend you are either the worst communicator in the world, are unclear about it on purpose, or you are in fact a racist. Whatever it is you should not be president. What has he done to prove otherwise by the way. Just out of curiosity.

I kinda had respect for you right up to your last post.
Remember one thing before I end this conversation with you, forklift.
A lie can travel half way around the world before the truth has it's boots on.
The media is a powerful weapon.

Sure it is. I just gave you a clip about the media asking a simple yes or no question and Trump deflecting. How is that not being ambiguous about your view on White Supremacy?

 

[impuretrash]

Well let's see who put it on:

Jason Kessler was the local person who got together with the daily stormer, The right stuff, the national policy institute, the nationalist front, the traditionalist workers party, identity evropa, vanguard America, the national socialist movement, and a couple of KKK groups to put on the rally.

It was their leaders who were set up as headliners. Their leaders who talked about working with the police in the podcasts to set it up, their websites who promoted it. this was well covered ahead of the rally of who was putting this together.

Some people and groups decided that this was something that they wanted to associate themselves with and others did not

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How odd that there is NOTHING on that flyer about con-federate statues. Isn't that the oddest thing?

It's almost as odd as how most confederate rallies have speakers who are historians talking about the Confederacy, and this one had Klan leaders and Nazis instead as their speakers.

Besides the FACT that anyone who really objected to the removal of the con-federate statue should have addressed their complaints to the city government who voted to remove the statue.

They should have complained to the far-left city government who had the racist Wes Bellamy as vice-mayor?

Why are communist radicals allowed to protest but nobody else?

Ah....so you are not a fan of an elected city government having the say on what they do with city property?

Having a racist white-hater like Bellamy in their government really destroys any credibility they might have. He's on record things that would spell political suicide for any white politician. Besides, aren't citizens encouraged to protest decisions made by government?

That's what most of those pro-statue protesters were brought up to believe. They learned different.

 

[edthecynic]

He further clarified that Robert E. Lee was one of the greatest generals the US ever produced

R E Lee, the greatest NAZI general the US ever produced.
- Donald Jackass Tramp

 

[impuretrash]

I remember a time when it was a Federal crime to belong to the NAZI or Communist parties. What the hell happened? Those bozos should be rounded up and shot.

shut the fuck up idiot

 

[bodecea]

Explain the difference between the two when it comes to that Charlottesville weekend.

You explain yourself, Bode. You're not smart enough to connect the dots, like I said earlier, because they aren't there.
Then you infer something that was never said or intended to be said. Run along darling.

And now....we can see....you have lowered yourself to personal attacks. I guess you have failed in rational debate on this topic.

There was no debate, you were trying to infer something that wasn't there. Hell you had me hanging around to marching
with nazis and the klan. You're no good at what your trying to do

So you don't believe in rational debate on topics people have differing beliefs on. Ok.

When you are moving goalposts and the facts to develop a preconceived notion of yours...that's not a rational debate.
That is setting up someone with bait.

What goal posts have I moved exactly? And let me ask the core question for you again....the one you seem to think is "bait". You are at a protest/rally and find that on your side of the barriers there are people flying NAZI and con-ferated flags. You do...............what?

 

[forkup]

And there may have been others there like the media and others watching those two sides. But when talking about those two sides specifically I personally don't think good people join the side of Nazis and the Klan.

I can't argue with what you personally think, SandSquid. But you may be right...or you may be wrong with that assumption.
You and I don't know. But, rest assured the Trump wasn't calling those good people.

Meister, are you sure about that? I'm pretty sure that Trump has not lost any support from "those people", precisely because Trump is so ambiguous when it comes to condemning "those people". It was the case during the campaign and it's still the case now. Trump condemns "those people" only when there's a proverbial gun to his head." Those people" consider Trump as someone who shares their ideology.

Well, when you had the constant drum beat from the media saying it was so, those people were stupid enough to
think he actually was. He has done enough in his career to prove otherwise. Also, he was never called a racist until he
threw his hat in the ring.

If your position on race is sufficiently unclear that neo-nazi's consider you an ally I contend you are either the worst communicator in the world, are unclear about it on purpose, or you are in fact a racist. Whatever it is you should not be president. What has he done to prove otherwise by the way. Just out of curiosity.

I kinda had respect for you right up to your last post.
Remember one thing before I end this conversation with you, forklift.
A lie can travel half way around the world before the truth has it's boots on.
The media is a powerful weapon.

Oh and I lost your respect why? Is it an untrue statement? If so feel free to point out the error.

 

[bodecea]

I'm opposed to taking down Confederate Statues. Does that make me a Neo-Nazi or a white supremacist?

Do you believe cities and counties have the right to make their own decisions about whether to take down Con-federate statues or not?

Of course they do. And they should expect protests from those of us fine people who oppose the erasure and re-writing of history.

Do you believe the mass news media should deliberately mischaracterize and outright lie about what the President says in a news conference to further their own leftist agenda? Because that's exactly what's happened here.

How is it a lie when it is recorded video and audio for us to see over and over and over again?

There's hours and hours of video from that day depicting the communists starting shit which the media decides not to air. Most of the footage has been deleted from youtube.

There would have been NO violence if the (far left) local city administration had kept the groups separate instead of setting up conflict.

"Most of the footage has been deleted from youtube"..... Then provide your own from your groups.

 

[bodecea]

How odd that there is NOTHING on that flyer about con-federate statues. Isn't that the oddest thing?

It's almost as odd as how most confederate rallies have speakers who are historians talking about the Confederacy, and this one had Klan leaders and Nazis instead as their speakers.

Besides the FACT that anyone who really objected to the removal of the con-federate statue should have addressed their complaints to the city government who voted to remove the statue.

They should have complained to the far-left city government who had the racist Wes Bellamy as vice-mayor?

Why are communist radicals allowed to protest but nobody else?

Ah....so you are not a fan of an elected city government having the say on what they do with city property?

Having a racist white-hater like Bellamy in their government really destroys any credibility they might have. He's on record things that would spell political suicide for any white politician. Besides, aren't citizens encouraged to protest decisions made by government?

That's what most of those pro-statue protesters were brought up to believe. They learned different.

How did Bellamy get in their government? Tell us.

 

[SandSquid]

In Charlotte'sville, there was a traffic accident that was obviously precipitated by a thug hitting a motorist's vehicle as it was traveling down a steep slope towards an intersection that by happenstance got flooded by a mob that stopped traffic just as a thug hit the young inexperienced motorist's car.

Trump publicly called the young inexperienced motorist involved in the traffic accident a "murderer".

Kinda hard to get a fair trial when the MSM and even the president jump to conclusions and call you a murderer before your trial.

That's the Nazi who intentionally killed and wounded people after showing on his Instagram multiple pictures of cars intentionally killing protesters....

Who after the rally intentionally drove to where the protesters were, backed up the hill to get a running start and killed and wounded people? Who didn't stop his murderous drive until he hit a sign? Then backed over more people and fled the scene of his rampage?

Who in the videos presented in court was seen stopping from backing up and putting his vehicle in drive and gunning the engine before a shirt was swung as a futile attempt to stop him?

The one who's defense of "being lost" failed when his Google maps searches to get home both showed taking a different path than the one he chose?

What about convicted Nazi terrorists has you so supportive?

 

[edthecynic]

I'm opposed to taking down Confederate Statues. Does that make me a Neo-Nazi or a white supremacist?

An America-hating white supremacist with Nazi tendencies.
Does that help?

 

[SandSquid]

In Charlottesville, there was a traffic accident that was obviously precipitated by a thug hitting a motorist's vehicle as it was traveling down a steep slope towards an intersection that by happenstance got flooded by a mob that stopped traffic just as a thug hit the young inexperienced motorist's car.

Trump publicly called the young inexperienced motorist involved in the traffic accident a "murderer".

Kinda hard to get a fair trial when the MSM and even the president jump to conclusions and call you a murderer before your trial.

kind of hard to get found innocent when you call the mother of your victim the enemy, post pictures of people in cars driving over protesters beforehand, and back away put your car in gear and start gunning it BEFORE anyone makes a futile attempt to hit it with a shirt and distract you from your act of terrorism.

Then you falsely make the claim that you were trying to get home even though the directions you put into your phone didn't bring you down that street. Then lie again and say that all the people behind you kept you from backing away when the video showed that there was nobody behind you.

It's tough to win a case when you murder people and try to lie about why.

 

[forkup]

He further clarified that Robert E. Lee was one of the greatest generals the US ever produced

R E Lee, the greatest NAZI general the US ever produced.
- Donald Jackass Tramp

R E Lee was a creature of it's time. A time I might add before the Nazi party existed. Nazi's were besides racists also ultra nationalists. R E Lee didn't own slaves, held the institution of slavery in contempt and supported the rebellion only after his state rebelled. If you are throwing around terms it would be good for them to somehow fit.

 

[Hossfly]

I remember a time when it was a Federal crime to belong to the NAZI or Communist parties. What the hell happened? Those bozos should be rounded up and shot.

shut the fuck up idiot

????

 

[impuretrash]

I'm opposed to taking down Confederate Statues. Does that make me a Neo-Nazi or a white supremacist?

An America-hating white supremacist with Nazi tendencies.
Does that help?

Hilarious. The guys who want to preserve American historical monuments are anti-American and somehow, the "antifa" neo-communist types are defenders of the good old USA.

 

[edthecynic]

Biden's smearing of Trump on this issue is disappointing. There were, in fact, good people on both sides at that incident, but there were also violent radicals on both sides at that incident. Obviously, Trump was not talking about the violent radicals, but liberals keep lying about this.

There were NOT good Nazis on BOTH sides, only one, YOUR side!

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

1. The fake news MSM continually characterizes Trump's comment as "fine people" referring to both the "white supremacists and Neo-nazis" as well as the protesters.
2. Trump said "see the entire tape" and you will see that he actually said that the "fine people" was referring to was both debate sides over the removal of the Robert E. Lee statue. I saw the entire tape and Trump did say that he condemns Neo-nazis and white supremacists. He further clarified that Robert E. Lee was one of the greatest generals the US ever produced, and that his strategies are still studied and useful today.
3. Trump Didn't Call Neo-Nazis 'Fine People.' Here's Proof. | RealClearPolitics

Translation:

Trump's aides realized this trump idiot moment can still hurt him politically, so they drafted talking points for the dotard.

 

[SandSquid]

He further clarified that Robert E. Lee was one of the greatest generals the US ever produced

R E Lee, the greatest NAZI general the US ever produced.
- Donald Jackass Tramp

R E Lee was a creature of it's time. A time I might add before the Nazi party existed. Nazi's were besides racists also ultra nationalists. R E Lee didn't own slaves, held the institution of slavery in contempt and supported the rebellion because his state rebelled. If you are throwing around terms it would be good for them to somehow fit.

Actually while Robert e Lee said that slavery was tough on white people he said It was necessary for blacks.

And in his letters with Grant he said he would not exchange black POWs because they were now confederate property.

He also wrote his wife during the war talking about how after the war they should buy more slaves.

He also had to be threatened by Grant to stop using American POWs as human shields.

And yes his father-in-law left slaves to him in his will, who talked about the brutality that he inflicted upon them when they tried to escape. Not only beating them and having them whipped for trying to be free but also pouring salt water on their wounds. He even put together posse's to round them up.

And was taken to court by his slaves saying his father in law freed them. Something he fought to keep them in bondage.

And yes the person who thought slavery was necessary rebelled against the United States unlike other family members of his who fought for the USA