Trump Calls For "Immediate" Deportations Of Illegals With "No Judges Or Court Cases"

[beagle9]

Dispense with the code of law. And the Trumpians cheer!

Cozy up the the Russians and the Trumpians Cheer!

Diss our allies, leave agreements, impose tariffs and the Trumpians cheer!

What is it about America they think needs to be great again? A lack of Authoritarian control?

If the Demon-crats and republi-crats hadn't have made such a dam disaster in this nation over the years, then we wouldn't be in the situation we are in today. Now it's fix it time... The nation was great in a bubble between certain time periods, and we can repair those bubbles for all to enjoy once again.

We had great relations between blacks and whites during the seventies, eighties, and nineties. Then came the surge of corruption to destroy it, back it all up, and then we elected Obama to finish the situation off or to lead us into the fixes we see now under Trump, and for which are thankfully underway.

What idiots the nation had become since the 1960's foward if we lose it all ?? Think about that one..

Now Trump is trying to restore things as best he can, but the pride of those who are amongst (the Demon-crats), and for whom were instrumental in getting Trump elected to begin with, are crying fowel, and now they are knashing of teeth over it all.

It's just too funny when look at the big picture in it all.

I agree with that part. We, people who log on to a message board each day and quibble about politics, are in the minority; most people live fairly simple lives, punching a clock, having dinner with the kids, drinking Bud Light and playing Cornhole on the weekends, with a week-long trip to Hilton Head each summer, that kind of thing. They don't want to have to dig into every little nuance of politics; they just want to keep their taxes low and the plant open, and maybe one day their kids can go to college. The problem is that for the last few decades, they have been progressively more and more ignored by both parties, each clamoring to optimize their message so they can WINWINWIN rather than serve the people. So then, when the President institutes an "It's not a tax!" tax that doubles their health insurance rates so poor people can get health coverage, and then they hear that their buddy has just lost his job because his plant is moving to Mexico, they've had enough of the ivory tower Tammany Hall Democrats, and they vote in the local 34-year-old junior DA to go to DC, tasked with keeping the taxes low and the plant open. The problem is, the new US Rep, from his basement office with the dripping pipes, gets dragged into the McConnell-Ryan orbit and is told they have to march the party line or else; after a few months or years of this, that struggling person in the heartland is still worried about the rising taxes and closing plants, and all they hear their new House Rep talk about is who gets to piss in which bathroom. It isn't hard to imagine why this majority of hard-working, American-values voters want to burn the whole damn system to the ground. It's rather understandable.

The problem, of course, is that a population of people that are this frustrated and fed up can be vulnerable to being weaponized by a powerful demagogue, and that's exactly what happened - but I'll leave those ramblings for other posts.

Exactly why Trump was elected, and now it's on him if he screws it up. He has the commoners/workers/families as you described them now on his side, so it's his to mess up if he messes it up. I don't think he will.

 

[Flash]

If Obama could ignore the immigration laws with catch and release why can't Trump do away with due process and just return the little shitheads as soon as they are caught?

 

[Vandalshandle]

Uh, well, yeah, because they're here ILLEGALLY. They're not entitled to courts and judges, etc., etc. What is it about ILLEGAL that you don't get?

Now, yes, I support allowing many illegals to stay, under strict conditions. But Trump is entirely within the law and within his rights to demand that they leave immediately.

Eight grade Civics, again mike. Nobody is "illegal" until they have been tried and found guilty of being an illegal alien. The Constitution guarantees that nobody in American jurisdiction is guilty until proven guilty in a court of law. That concept is so simple that I am surprised that they don't teach Civics until the 8th grade. Apparently, you slept through it.

 

[beagle9]

Uh, well, yeah, because they're here ILLEGALLY. They're not entitled to courts and judges, etc., etc. What is it about ILLEGAL that you don't get?

Now, yes, I support allowing many illegals to stay, under strict conditions. But Trump is entirely within the law and within his rights to demand that they leave immediately.

Eight grade Civics, again mike. Nobody is "illegal" until they have been tried and found guilty of being an illegal alien. The Constitution guarantees that nobody in American jurisdiction is guilty until proven guilty in a court of law. That concept is so simple that I am surprised that they don't teach Civics until the 8th grade. Apparently, you slept through it.

If you cross the border illegally, then you are instantly an illegal.. So you have committed a crime, and I don't care if it's a misdemeanor, it's still a crime punishable by penalties under the law for breaking the law.

 

[Pellinore]

If Obama could ignore the immigration laws with catch and release why can't Trump do away with due process and just return the little shitheads as soon as they are caught?

Because catch and release was the system used in order to allow them their due process, while not breaking the Flores agreement that says that children can't be held for more than twenty days. It wasn't ignoring immigration laws, it was their way of fulfilling them.

President Trump can't do away with due process because the 14th Amendment guarantees them to "any person," not just citizens or residents.

 

[WEATHER53]

If Obama could ignore the immigration laws with catch and release why can't Trump do away with due process and just return the little shitheads as soon as they are caught?

Because catch and release was the system used in order to allow them their due process, while not breaking the Flores agreement that says that children can't be held for more than twenty days. It wasn't ignoring immigration laws, it was their way of fulfilling them.

President Trump can't do away with due process because the 14th Amendment guarantees them to "any person," not just citizens or residents.

You are wrong
Any person “of” the United States and not merely any person on/in the United States
Arriving onto the soil of the United States does not grant Constitutional privledges

 

[Pellinore]

Uh, well, yeah, because they're here ILLEGALLY. They're not entitled to courts and judges, etc., etc. What is it about ILLEGAL that you don't get?

Now, yes, I support allowing many illegals to stay, under strict conditions. But Trump is entirely within the law and within his rights to demand that they leave immediately.

Eight grade Civics, again mike. Nobody is "illegal" until they have been tried and found guilty of being an illegal alien. The Constitution guarantees that nobody in American jurisdiction is guilty until proven guilty in a court of law. That concept is so simple that I am surprised that they don't teach Civics until the 8th grade. Apparently, you slept through it.

If you cross the border illegally, then you are instantly an illegal.. So you have committed a crime, and I don't care if it's a misdemeanor, it's still a crime punishable by penalties under the law for breaking the law.

No one is "instantly" anything in this country. You can watch someone cross, or steal a car, or shoot someone in broad daylight, and they're still not guilty of the crime - and therefore, in the case of border crossings, not illegal - until they get their due process.

Everyone within the jurisdiction of the United States is allowed due process and equal protection by the 14th Amendment. It's a simple concept written plainly in the Constitution itself and upheld consistently by numerous Supreme Courts throughout the years, and as far as I know is taught in Middle and High Schools across the land - and yet a number of posters here insist the exact opposite, with no justification. It is baffling to me.

 

[Pellinore]

If Obama could ignore the immigration laws with catch and release why can't Trump do away with due process and just return the little shitheads as soon as they are caught?

Because catch and release was the system used in order to allow them their due process, while not breaking the Flores agreement that says that children can't be held for more than twenty days. It wasn't ignoring immigration laws, it was their way of fulfilling them.

President Trump can't do away with due process because the 14th Amendment guarantees them to "any person," not just citizens or residents.

You are wrong
Any person “of” the United States and not merely any person on/in the United States

The 5th and 14th Amendments state the exact opposite. I don't know from where you are conjuring that use of the word 'of.'

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Feel free to ask any knowledgeable lawyer, law professor, or law book, or you can consult the primary source at the National Archives in Washington DC.

 

[beagle9]

If Obama could ignore the immigration laws with catch and release why can't Trump do away with due process and just return the little shitheads as soon as they are caught?

Because catch and release was the system used in order to allow them their due process, while not breaking the Flores agreement that says that children can't be held for more than twenty days. It wasn't ignoring immigration laws, it was their way of fulfilling them.

President Trump can't do away with due process because the 14th Amendment guarantees them to "any person," not just citizens or residents.

You are wrong
Any person “of” the United States and not merely any person on/in the United States

The 5th and 14th Amendments state the exact opposite. I don't know from where you are conjuring that use of the word 'of.'

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Feel free to ask any knowledgeable lawyer, law professor, or law book, or you can consult the primary source at the National Archives in Washington DC.

Most would fall up under "public danger", as open borders is just one of the exact reasoning in which the clause is given. If engauge in an act or allow an act to take place in which puts the public in danger, then the same that applies for the exception in time of war also applies in that regard as well.

 

[Flash]

If Obama could ignore the immigration laws with catch and release why can't Trump do away with due process and just return the little shitheads as soon as they are caught?

Because catch and release was the system used in order to allow them their due process, while not breaking the Flores agreement that says that children can't be held for more than twenty days. It wasn't ignoring immigration laws, it was their way of fulfilling them.

President Trump can't do away with due process because the 14th Amendment guarantees them to "any person," not just citizens or residents.

Catch and release was just a way for that asshole Obama to let the Illegals flood in. Imagine you get caught for Breaking and Entering and then the sheriff (who knows that you may be a future voter for him) doesn't put you in jail but let you go saying you can come back in a couple of years. How stupid is that? Isn't that the police circumventing the law on Breaking and Entering?

Obama made a travesty of our .immigration laws and Trump is trying to secure the border and undo the damage done by that asshole Obama and that is a good thing.

 

[Flash]

Uh, well, yeah, because they're here ILLEGALLY. They're not entitled to courts and judges, etc., etc. What is it about ILLEGAL that you don't get?

Now, yes, I support allowing many illegals to stay, under strict conditions. But Trump is entirely within the law and within his rights to demand that they leave immediately.

Eight grade Civics, again mike. Nobody is "illegal" until they have been tried and found guilty of being an illegal alien. The Constitution guarantees that nobody in American jurisdiction is guilty until proven guilty in a court of law. That concept is so simple that I am surprised that they don't teach Civics until the 8th grade. Apparently, you slept through it.

If you cross the border illegally, then you are instantly an illegal.. So you have committed a crime, and I don't care if it's a misdemeanor, it's still a crime punishable by penalties under the law for breaking the law.

No one is "instantly" anything in this country. You can watch someone cross, or steal a car, or shoot someone in broad daylight, and they're still not guilty of the crime - and therefore, in the case of border crossings, not illegal - until they get their due process.

Everyone within the jurisdiction of the United States is allowed due process and equal protection by the 14th Amendment. It's a simple concept written plainly in the Constitution itself and upheld consistently by numerous Supreme Courts throughout the years, and as far as I know is taught in Middle and High Schools across the land - and yet a number of posters here insist the exact opposite, with no justification. It is baffling to me.

Due process does not have to include seeing a judge two years after you are caught for a crime. It can be a border guard turning you away. No different that a police offer turning you away from an accident scene.You don't need to see a judge in order for the police officer to use his authority to secure the area.

It is amazing to me the lengths of stupidity you Moon Bats will go to in order to justify letting these filthy ass Illegals flood into this country.

The US is a sovereign nation and we have the right to secure our borders and restrict who may enter and who may not. The SCOTUS just affrimed that this week. God bless Trump for understanding the problem with other countries exporting their poverty to the US and for being aggressive in protecting this country.

 

[easyt65]

It's pretty simple...

If somebody breaks into your house, do you want them immediately evicted, or do you want to let them hang around for a while until a judge decides whether you can evict these Intruders or not?

'Nuff said....

 

[Pellinore]

If Obama could ignore the immigration laws with catch and release why can't Trump do away with due process and just return the little shitheads as soon as they are caught?

Because catch and release was the system used in order to allow them their due process, while not breaking the Flores agreement that says that children can't be held for more than twenty days. It wasn't ignoring immigration laws, it was their way of fulfilling them.

President Trump can't do away with due process because the 14th Amendment guarantees them to "any person," not just citizens or residents.

You are wrong
Any person “of” the United States and not merely any person on/in the United States

The 5th and 14th Amendments state the exact opposite. I don't know from where you are conjuring that use of the word 'of.'

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Feel free to ask any knowledgeable lawyer, law professor, or law book, or you can consult the primary source at the National Archives in Washington DC.

Most would fall up under "public danger", as open borders is just one of the exact reasoning in which the clause is given. If engauge in an act or allow an act to take place in which puts the public in danger, then the same that applies for the exception in time of war also applies in that regard as well.

The "public danger" exception is only a part of the Grand Jury clause of the Fifth. It does not apply to the Due Process clause there, and does not appear at all in the Fourteenth Amendment.

Anything else?

 

[Pellinore]

If Obama could ignore the immigration laws with catch and release why can't Trump do away with due process and just return the little shitheads as soon as they are caught?

Because catch and release was the system used in order to allow them their due process, while not breaking the Flores agreement that says that children can't be held for more than twenty days. It wasn't ignoring immigration laws, it was their way of fulfilling them.

President Trump can't do away with due process because the 14th Amendment guarantees them to "any person," not just citizens or residents.

Catch and release was just a way for that asshole Obama to let the Illegals flood in. Imagine you get caught for Breaking and Entering and then the sheriff (who knows that you may be a future voter for him) doesn't put you in jail but let you go saying you can come back in a couple of years. How stupid is that? Isn't that the police circumventing the law on Breaking and Entering?

Obama made a travesty of our .immigration laws and Trump is trying to secure the border and undo the damage done by that asshole Obama and that is a good thing.

I respect your view that President Obama did a lot of things wrong, and won't argue that. I'm not going to defend the 'catch and release' system (I have problems with it too); I was just explaining it. The difference between it and your example of the sheriff is that B&E is a felony, while crossing the border for the first time is a misdemeanor punishable by up to 6 months in prison, which is about on the level of a Class B; if that same sheriff arrested you for spraying graffiti, indecent exposure, or holding an ounce of pot - all roughly class B's - you wouldn't expect him to lock you up indefinitely, take your kids to a chain-link holding cell miles away, and deny visitation for months, all without a trial.

I can understand improving a part of our system, but the way in which the Trump administration is doing it is hand-waving away vital parts of the Constitution, is steamrolling international law, and is just patently cruel to a large number of vulnerable people. I can't back that.

 

[Slyhunter]

It's pretty simple...

If somebody breaks into your house, do you want them immediately evicted, or do you want to let them hang around for a while until a judge decides whether you can evict these Intruders or not?

'Nuff said....

You sparked a memory about people doing just that.
Family returns home from living away to find that squatters bought their house for $5,000 | Daily Mail Online

Squatters Rights Law in California
Squatters taking over vacant homes is a concern for California property owners. Squatting, also known as “adverse possession,” means moving into a property without the owner's permission. In California, state law addresses the issue of squatters, and in some cases, squatters' rights cannot easily be abridged.
Squatters Rights Law in California
Cannot be abridged ... In other words, complete strangers steal your home while you are away on vacation. I wonder if that would work in Hollywood?

 

[Sahba]

Uh, well, yeah, because they're here ILLEGALLY. They're not entitled to courts and judges, etc., etc. What is it about ILLEGAL that you don't get?

Now, yes, I support allowing many illegals to stay, under strict conditions. But Trump is entirely within the law and within his rights to demand that they leave immediately.

Eight grade Civics, again mike. Nobody is "illegal" until they have been tried and found guilty of being an illegal alien. The Constitution guarantees that nobody in American jurisdiction is guilty until proven guilty in a court of law. That concept is so simple that I am surprised that they don't teach Civics until the 8th grade. Apparently, you slept through it.

Caught 'red footed' that Constitutional right should not apply, as DJT has expounded upon. It would bog down our legal system and the impracticality and expense of adding the proposed 500 or more Judges & new facilities etc isn't fair to us the citizen, living with & paying for the "invasion". Time for the legislative wheels to turn and churn out a revision on this, in addition to the non-contiguous deportation policy, especially from the 'northern triangle'.

 

[Pellinore]

It's pretty simple...

If somebody breaks into your house, do you want them immediately evicted, or do you want to let them hang around for a while until a judge decides whether you can evict these Intruders or not?

'Nuff said....

You sparked a memory about people doing just that.
Family returns home from living away to find that squatters bought their house for $5,000 | Daily Mail Online

Squatters Rights Law in California
Squatters taking over vacant homes is a concern for California property owners. Squatting, also known as “adverse possession,” means moving into a property without the owner's permission. In California, state law addresses the issue of squatters, and in some cases, squatters' rights cannot easily be abridged.
Squatters Rights Law in California
Cannot be abridged ... In other words, complete strangers steal your home while you are away on vacation. I wonder if that would work in Hollywood?

Or with the White House?

 

[Pellinore]

Uh, well, yeah, because they're here ILLEGALLY. They're not entitled to courts and judges, etc., etc. What is it about ILLEGAL that you don't get?

Now, yes, I support allowing many illegals to stay, under strict conditions. But Trump is entirely within the law and within his rights to demand that they leave immediately.

Eight grade Civics, again mike. Nobody is "illegal" until they have been tried and found guilty of being an illegal alien. The Constitution guarantees that nobody in American jurisdiction is guilty until proven guilty in a court of law. That concept is so simple that I am surprised that they don't teach Civics until the 8th grade. Apparently, you slept through it.

Caught 'red footed' that Constitutional right should not apply, as DJT has expounded upon. It would bog down our legal system and the impracticality and expense of adding the proposed 500 or more Judges & new facilities etc isn't fair to us the citizen, living with & paying for the "invasion". Time for the legislative wheels to turn and churn out a revision on this, in addition to the non-contiguous deportation policy, especially from the 'northern triangle'.

Then there you go! If enough others agree with you, pressure Congress to fix it legislatively, and don't let the fact that it will likely require a Constitutional Amendment dissuade you. Go for it!

Until then, skipping the part about the due process is against the law.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Uh, well, yeah, because they're here ILLEGALLY. They're not entitled to courts and judges, etc., etc. What is it about ILLEGAL that you don't get?

Now, yes, I support allowing many illegals to stay, under strict conditions. But Trump is entirely within the law and within his rights to demand that they leave immediately.

Eight grade Civics, again mike. Nobody is "illegal" until they have been tried and found guilty of being an illegal alien. The Constitution guarantees that nobody in American jurisdiction is guilty until proven guilty in a court of law. That concept is so simple that I am surprised that they don't teach Civics until the 8th grade. Apparently, you slept through it.

If you cross the border illegally, then you are instantly an illegal.. So you have committed a crime, and I don't care if it's a misdemeanor, it's still a crime punishable by penalties under the law for breaking the law.

Sorry, Beagle. I know that the Right desperately wants to shred the constitution, and take away due process, but, it ain't going to happen.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Uh, well, yeah, because they're here ILLEGALLY. They're not entitled to courts and judges, etc., etc. What is it about ILLEGAL that you don't get?

Now, yes, I support allowing many illegals to stay, under strict conditions. But Trump is entirely within the law and within his rights to demand that they leave immediately.

Eight grade Civics, again mike. Nobody is "illegal" until they have been tried and found guilty of being an illegal alien. The Constitution guarantees that nobody in American jurisdiction is guilty until proven guilty in a court of law. That concept is so simple that I am surprised that they don't teach Civics until the 8th grade. Apparently, you slept through it.

Caught 'red footed' that Constitutional right should not apply, as DJT has expounded upon. It would bog down our legal system and the impracticality and expense of adding the proposed 500 or more Judges & new facilities etc isn't fair to us the citizen, living with & paying for the "invasion". Time for the legislative wheels to turn and churn out a revision on this, in addition to the non-contiguous deportation policy, especially from the 'northern triangle'.

Yet another Trumpette with a shredder…….