Top doctor's chilling claim: The NHS kills off 130,000 elderly patients every year

[tererun]

NHS doctors are prematurely ending the lives of thousands of elderly hospital patients because they are difficult to manage or to free up beds, a senior consultant claimed yesterday.
Professor Patrick Pullicino said doctors had turned the use of a controversial ‘death pathway’ into the equivalent of euthanasia of the elderly.
He claimed there was often a lack of clear evidence for initiating the Liverpool Care Pathway, a method of looking after terminally ill patients that is used in hospitals across the country.

Top doctor's chilling claim: The NHS kills off 130,000 elderly patients every year | Mail Online

Since were going into the Universal Health care I just wanted all of the people who support it think about this

Is there some backup to this claim, or are we supposed to trust a disgruntled doctor to tell the truth? I would assume if there is some sort of policy of killing off the elderly he would have some form of memo, instruction book, or something to validate his claims from the NHS.

If not his is about the same as me saying Mitt Romney Kills old people for fun and profit. I know this happens because I have seen him do it, and I deliver old people to his house for his old people death parties.

Some Doctor said is really not proof of much without some evidence to back it up. I know you want to believe anything bad said about nationalized health care, but some of us are a bit more intelligent and discerning and would prefer something like solid evidence and not just some guy wanting to get on the news.

 

[conservationism]

We have one of the best...if you use it right...and you don't even have to be wealthy. You just have to be interested.

Insightful, and true of more things American than just health care!

 

[tererun]

We have one of the best...if you use it right...and you don't even have to be wealthy. You just have to be interested.

Insightful, and true of more things American than just health care!

Using the pre-ACA insurance system in america.

step 1. pay your health insurance premiums, if yuou are allowed to get it.

Step 2. if you need health care contact your insurance company to find out their approved method of getting care.

step 3. Follow all of their contrived instructions, and get approval every step of the way.

step 4. finally get to the end of your obstacle course and get the treatment some accountant at your insurance company decided you need.

step 5. pay your deductable and have the rest of the bill you got approved sent to the insurance company to pay the part they were contracted to.

Step 6. have insurance company refuse payment for their approved treatment and have the place where you got treatment send bill to you.

step 7. Argue with the insurance company who approved your treatment to pay for their share of your treatment.

step 8. get dropped by your insurance company for making a claim.

step 9. Have the place you got medical treatment submit you to a collection agency for not paying your bills and have all your credit ruined.

step 10. pay your medical bills yourself to save your credit and never see anymore from the insurance company that dropped you, or continue with shit cresdit fighting against the insurance company who you have no way of effecting.

step 11. get ulcer for arguing 6 straight months with the insurance company while your credit is shot over the bill they were supposed to pay and never do.

step 12. Die from complications to the stress induced illnesses you got from arguing with the insurance company, and because you could not get anymore insurance, or pay for medical treatment because they ruined your credit.

step 13. have doctors who treated you ravage your estate for the money they deserve that your insurance company was supposed to pay, and now your kids get to be stressed fighting for their inheritance.

This is how you properly use the pre-ACA american insurance system.

 

[tinydancer]

NHS doctors are prematurely ending the lives of thousands of elderly hospital patients because they are difficult to manage or to free up beds, a senior consultant claimed yesterday.
Professor Patrick Pullicino said doctors had turned the use of a controversial ‘death pathway’ into the equivalent of euthanasia of the elderly.
He claimed there was often a lack of clear evidence for initiating the Liverpool Care Pathway, a method of looking after terminally ill patients that is used in hospitals across the country.

Top doctor's chilling claim: The NHS kills off 130,000 elderly patients every year | Mail Online

Since were going into the Universal Health care I just wanted all of the people who support it think about this

Is there some backup to this claim, or are we supposed to trust a disgruntled doctor to tell the truth? I would assume if there is some sort of policy of killing off the elderly he would have some form of memo, instruction book, or something to validate his claims from the NHS.

If not his is about the same as me saying Mitt Romney Kills old people for fun and profit. I know this happens because I have seen him do it, and I deliver old people to his house for his old people death parties.

Some Doctor said is really not proof of much without some evidence to back it up. I know you want to believe anything bad said about nationalized health care, but some of us are a bit more intelligent and discerning and would prefer something like solid evidence and not just some guy wanting to get on the news.

Just a disgruntled doctor? You didn't read the article did you?

Professor Pullicino, a consultant neurologist for East Kent Hospitals and Professor of Clinical Neurosciences at the University of Kent, was speaking to the Royal Society of Medicine in London.


And he's speaking about the Liverpool Care Pathway which is seriously being abused.

Medical criticisms of the Liverpool Care Pathway were voiced nearly three years ago.

Experts including Peter Millard, emeritus professor of geriatrics at the University of London, and Dr Peter Hargreaves, palliative care consultant at St Luke’s cancer centre in Guildford, Surrey, warned of ‘backdoor euthanasia’ and the risk that economic factors were being brought into the treatment of vulnerable patients.


http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...lderly-patients-every-year-2.html#post5558074

 

[conservationism]

I like the old American system, where medicine was mostly unregulated except by the courts. Medical care was a lot cheaper then...

 

[tjvh]

O.K.

One thing I decided a while ago was that I really didn't care about what Europe did and I wasn't going to bash their systems.

Canada too.

They have them...most like them. For different reasons. They still have some form of private care.

In the end, that is their choice.

I am happy for what works for them.

If I wanted them, I would try to move there.

I don't want them.

But that does not make their bad.

It also pisses me off when people use the toilet paper Harvard study (you know 45K a year who die because of no health insurance....but they have yet to produce a name....should be able to produce thousands) to bash our system. The WHO can shove their 37th ranking up Al Franken's ass. We have one of the best...if you use it right...and you don't even have to be wealthy. You just have to be interested. Ours is a top rate system. It need fixed with regards to access...I've said that for twenty years...ACA isn't going to fix that. It is only going to pull down quality.

But, I say let the NHS alone.

I also say, leave it in Britian. I don't want it (or anything like it) here.

One thing I cannot stand is when people compare the U.S. with Europe, and Canada and ALWAYS forget to address the fact that those countries don't share the problems we in the U.S. have with Illegal immigration, and the DRAINING of our resources that will ensure Universal Healthcare will be doomed to fail.

 

[conservationism]

Not to mention 300+ million people... number boggles the mind.

 

[francoHFW]

Tory fear mongering...almost as bad as the Pub propaganda machine....Tories also love cutting medical services and then complaining about it....

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

NHS doctors are prematurely ending the lives of thousands of elderly hospital patients because they are difficult to manage or to free up beds, a senior consultant claimed yesterday.
Professor Patrick Pullicino said doctors had turned the use of a controversial ‘death pathway’ into the equivalent of euthanasia of the elderly.
He claimed there was often a lack of clear evidence for initiating the Liverpool Care Pathway, a method of looking after terminally ill patients that is used in hospitals across the country.

Top doctor's chilling claim: The NHS kills off 130,000 elderly patients every year | Mail Online

Since were going into the Universal Health care I just wanted all of the people who support it think about this

Yeah I saw that, bye bye old people. Your healthcare just got simpler, take that pain pill.

It reminds me of the Dinosaurs TV Show in which the dinosaurs are happy to throw their parents off the cliff when they get old.

Here's the episode

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=easYTQgzPSM]Dinosaurs Ep3 1/3 - Hurling Day - YouTube[/ame]

 

[editec]

Iatrogenesis is the 4th major killer in the USA already.

And that's with the system we have right now.

 

[tinydancer]

Tory fear mongering...almost as bad as the Pub propaganda machine....Tories also love cutting medical services and then complaining about it....

Prove that it is Tory fear mongering.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Tory fear mongering...almost as bad as the Pub propaganda machine....Tories also love cutting medical services and then complaining about it....

Prove that it is Tory fear mongering.

Don't bother... Franco's insane.

 

[clevergirl]

If a private insurance company were doing this there would be outcry and hell to pay~

 

[Seawytch]

Gee, how weird is it that the life expectancy in the UK is so much better than our country? We are in the high 30s while their ranking is 13th. Weird considering they are just letting their old folks die...

 

[clevergirl]

This is an inevitable course for "free medicine". It is bad enough when private insurers practice despicable cost saving measures... but at least we have a government body to intervene. When the government is in charge and practicing despicable cost saving measures who watches them to intervene? Answer: No one, unless it is a doctor with a conscience.

 

[Listening]

Gee, how weird is it that the life expectancy in the UK is so much better than our country? We are in the high 30s while their ranking is 13th. Weird considering they are just letting their old folks die...

Please stop spreading your cows**t all over the board. Do you need any more examples of how you are nothing but a hack ?

Life expectancy does not suffer from the same measurement problems that distort infant mortality comparisons. Even so, the U.S. ranking of 39th in life expectancy (according to U.N. figures) also is thoroughly misleading. When life expectancy figures are adjusted to account for deaths due to violence, the United States ranks No. 1 among nations in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. U.S. deaths due to violence include all gunshot-related deaths as well as deaths due to automobile accidents or other injuries. Such deaths, obviously, say nothing about the quality of U.S. medical care.

 

[Seawytch]

If the UK health system is allegedly allowing all these people to die off without life saving care, how is it that the UK FAR surpasses the United States in life expectancy? Can the OP or anyone answer that question?

 

[Seawytch]

Gee, how weird is it that the life expectancy in the UK is so much better than our country? We are in the high 30s while their ranking is 13th. Weird considering they are just letting their old folks die...

Please stop spreading your cows**t all over the board. Do you need any more examples of how you are nothing but a hack ?

Life expectancy does not suffer from the same measurement problems that distort infant mortality comparisons. Even so, the U.S. ranking of 39th in life expectancy (according to U.N. figures) also is thoroughly misleading. When life expectancy figures are adjusted to account for deaths due to violence, the United States ranks No. 1 among nations in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. U.S. deaths due to violence include all gunshot-related deaths as well as deaths due to automobile accidents or other injuries. Such deaths, obviously, say nothing about the quality of U.S. medical care.

Still doesn't explain such a great disparity as 13th and 39th, but it was a valiant effort. You get a t-ball trophy!

 

[Listening]

If the UK health system is allegedly allowing all these people to die off without life saving care, how is it that the UK FAR surpasses the United States in life expectancy? Can the OP or anyone answer that question?

Post #36 your moron.

When you take out violent or accidental deaths...which have no reflection health care....of the stats....we are better than the U.K.

Or are you just ignoring things that don't fit your drug world ?

 

[clevergirl]

Gee, how weird is it that the life expectancy in the UK is so much better than our country? We are in the high 30s while their ranking is 13th. Weird considering they are just letting their old folks die...

78.4 US life expectancy V 80.2 UK life expectancy is a statistical tie, especially in light of our population, immigration and other differentials. You can never take a raw number and extrapolate a meaning without comparative information. For instance we are ranked as having a rather high number of neo natal deaths for such an advanced country- but of course the fact that we have numerous neo natal facilities attempting to save babies via advanced medical procedures is overlooked. (babies that would have been counted as still births instead of infant deaths)


But I digress. Are you claiming the program and practice in the article are false?