Top doctor's chilling claim: The NHS kills off 130,000 elderly patients every year

[Dick Tuck]

Yeah I saw that, bye bye old people. Your healthcare just got simpler, take that pain pill.

No one is stopping anyone from purchasing healthcare service, even in Britain.

 

[Katzndogz]

I work for a company based in London. All of the people that I work with are from England. According to them, the health care system in the UK sucks. For the poor, it may well not exist.

All that free health care comes with a price. The basic system runs on "tips". If you are in the hospital and want your sheets changed, pay. Do you expect meals? You get them, but to have someone bring them to your room is a gratuity. It is so bad, that doctors have to PRESCRIBE water or patients won't even get a drink. Everything from sweeping the floor to having a surgeon show up for an operation requires compensation.

LifeSiteNews Mobile | UK doctors prescribe drinking water to prevent death of elderly in hospitals

Hospital patients 'left so thirsty doctors had to prescribe water' - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent

Of course someone who can afford to slip the nurses a little extra don't go thirsty.

A woman I work with had an elderly mother in the hospital. Mother fell out of bed and broke her ankle. The woman was contacted and asked if the ankle should be set, or mother moved to a comfort room until she died. When the woman insisted that mother's ankle be set, she got a lecture on how much it would cost the health care service to provide this service to an elderly woman who was sick in the first place. After the promise of a monetary show of appreciation, mother got her ankle casted.

Ths is the UK health care system.

 

[tinydancer]

No, because a group with 4,000 physicians says it's bullshit. 4,000 versus 1 guy with an opinion about the LCP.



Go right ahead. I can tell you just as many about the horrors of American hospitals and thousands dying WITHOUT insurance. Not dying people at the end of their life, but healthy young people dying because they have no insurance.

You can talk all you want to about it, but I'll counter with studies that show that the UK gets better results than we do.

The Commonwealth Fund surveyed more family doctors in 11 countries – including Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Holland, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden and America.

Britain was the only country where the majority of doctors felt the quality of health care is improving and, in contrast to the United States, the NHS rated highly for fast, inexpensive and readily-available care for all.

The UK also scored highly on access to specialist care, out-of-hours provision and use of electronic records.

The study said: "Policies to invest and improve access, quality, and health outcomes have been put in place. Recent studies indicate that the reforms have improved outcomes."

It found 48 per cent of doctors in the United States reported problems in getting treatment for their patients compared to only six per cent in Britain, while only 29 per cent of doctors in the US offered an out of hours service compared to 89 per cent in Britain.​

NHS 'better than American health care'

I read the entire piece. It is a fluff piece- It proves nothing and offers nothing with regards to any kind of real study. The headline itself is telling - Which "American Think tank"?

People come from all over the world to be treated in the US. We have some of the finest doctors and specialized medicine treatment bar none.

FLUFF personified...

You don't have a clue what you are talking about. Read this article and learn something.
This article will also tell you why Canucks who have the bucks will head south for medical treatment.

Our wait times are horrific. The Provincial governments are working on them, but they are still lousy.



Canadians buy U.S. health care as weak economy pushes down prices

LISA PRIEST

The Globe and Mail

Published Friday, Mar. 04 2011, 7:46 PM EST

Last updated Wednesday, Mar. 16 2011, 11:33 AM EDT
A flailing U.S. economy has helped push down prices for medical procedures, allowing middle class Canadians who previously couldn't afford it to head south for heart operations, hip replacements and other procedures.

Open-heart surgery once cost upwards of $100,000 in the United States, but a triple bypass can now be had for as little as $16,000 U.S. And there are bargains on hip and knee replacements too: the going rate of $53,000 can be negotiated to less than $19,000.

While no one tracks how many Canadians travel to the United States for medical care, the issue has prompted university studies in both countries. And medical brokers - of which there are about two dozen across the country - say the numbers of people travelling for care are up.

"More and more facilities are contacting us, saying, 'How can we get in on the action,' " said Rick Baker, founder of Timely Medical Alternatives, which has seen revenues more than double over the past year. "We have negotiated prices that are rock bottom."

A troubled U.S. economy, a health-care system with empty beds, and a strong Canadian dollar have created medical bargains for people who have the cash. They are finding treatment that once cost as much as a house is now available for the price of an economy car.

Canadian patients paying upfront means less paperwork; administration is one reason U.S. health care is so costly.

"It's an industry that's going through the roof," said Mark Semple, president of Vancouver-based Passport Medical. "It's wait times, it's cost, it's price, it's quality and accessibility."

Retired accountant Gary Davidge of Calgary started looking into hip replacements two years ago when they cost $45,000 U.S. in Arizona. When the arthritis pain in his hip intensified in December, a medical broker found him a price of $18,800 in Montana.

Although Mr. Davidge's preference would have been to have his operation at home funded by Canada's public health system, the average wait was a year to 18 months, and no one could tell him with certainty when the surgery would take place.

Rest of the article at link:

Canadians buy U.S. health care as weak economy pushes down prices - The Globe and Mail

 

[tinydancer]

In Canada, old people are not the first to see cuts.

I'm not sure what you base your opinion on.

I'm really thankful that most of our politicians and the electorate up here are at least able to have a rational conversation these days, duly criticize what is wrong (like our wait times) and work to rectify the problems.

I think we're making great headway.

Not being poor, I'd rather be in the American system than the Canadian. However, there is too much partisan ignorance about Canadian Medicare.

Truth. I've used both systems and I must say for the few times I've needed hospital treatments, I've been pleased with Canadian and American health care.

My daughters who are both mothers are telling me Ontario's system is really out of whack these days. Not what it used to be at all, but I gather Ontario in general is not faring well.

I'm in Manitoba and so far so good and Lord, let it stay that way.

What burns my ass up here is when I hear a fellow Canuck pontificating on how the wealthy shouldn't be allowed to have access to private health care "because they should stand in line like the rest of us".

That makes me just koo koo bye bye because if one allows those who can afford private health care to receive it, it means you move up the queue faster because the line is shorter.

Ok, that's my vent for the day.

Well so far today.

 

[Lakhota]

NHS doctors are prematurely ending the lives of thousands of elderly hospital patients because they are difficult to manage or to free up beds, a senior consultant claimed yesterday.
Professor Patrick Pullicino said doctors had turned the use of a controversial ‘death pathway’ into the equivalent of euthanasia of the elderly.
He claimed there was often a lack of clear evidence for initiating the Liverpool Care Pathway, a method of looking after terminally ill patients that is used in hospitals across the country.

Top doctor's chilling claim: The NHS kills off 130,000 elderly patients every year | Mail Online

Since were going into the Universal Health care I just wanted all of the people who support it think about this

Last I heard, NHS refers to the United Kingdom's publicly funded healthcare systems. Do you consider Obamacare to be "publicly funded"...?

National Health Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[NYcarbineer]

[
Retired accountant Gary Davidge of Calgary started looking into hip replacements two years ago when they cost $45,000 U.S. in Arizona. When the arthritis pain in his hip intensified in December, a medical broker found him a price of $18,800 in Montana.

Although Mr. Davidge's preference would have been to have his operation at home funded by Canada's public health system, the average wait was a year to 18 months, and no one could tell him with certainty when the surgery would take place.[/B]

Wait a minute. He spent 2 years looking for an American hip replacement because the waiting period in Canada was 18 months?

ha ha ha. I finally get to laugh once today.

 

[Listening]

[
Retired accountant Gary Davidge of Calgary started looking into hip replacements two years ago when they cost $45,000 U.S. in Arizona. When the arthritis pain in his hip intensified in December, a medical broker found him a price of $18,800 in Montana.

Although Mr. Davidge's preference would have been to have his operation at home funded by Canada's public health system, the average wait was a year to 18 months, and no one could tell him with certainty when the surgery would take place.[/B]

Wait a minute. He spent 2 years looking for an American hip replacement because the waiting period in Canada was 18 months?

ha ha ha. I finally get to laugh once today.

It said he started looking into....

Once again the left reads something that isn't there...so they can leave some kind of a spot in their mother's living room.

You are a moron.

 

[Listening]

I work for a company based in London. All of the people that I work with are from England. According to them, the health care system in the UK sucks. For the poor, it may well not exist.

All that free health care comes with a price. The basic system runs on "tips". If you are in the hospital and want your sheets changed, pay. Do you expect meals? You get them, but to have someone bring them to your room is a gratuity. It is so bad, that doctors have to PRESCRIBE water or patients won't even get a drink. Everything from sweeping the floor to having a surgeon show up for an operation requires compensation.

LifeSiteNews Mobile | UK doctors prescribe drinking water to prevent death of elderly in hospitals

Hospital patients 'left so thirsty doctors had to prescribe water' - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent

Of course someone who can afford to slip the nurses a little extra don't go thirsty.

A woman I work with had an elderly mother in the hospital. Mother fell out of bed and broke her ankle. The woman was contacted and asked if the ankle should be set, or mother moved to a comfort room until she died. When the woman insisted that mother's ankle be set, she got a lecture on how much it would cost the health care service to provide this service to an elderly woman who was sick in the first place. After the promise of a monetary show of appreciation, mother got her ankle casted.

Ths is the UK health care system.

I don't like to bash other systems.

But this was very interesting information

Thank you for sharing.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

NHS doctors are prematurely ending the lives of thousands of elderly hospital patients because they are difficult to manage or to free up beds, a senior consultant claimed yesterday.
Professor Patrick Pullicino said doctors had turned the use of a controversial ‘death pathway’ into the equivalent of euthanasia of the elderly.
He claimed there was often a lack of clear evidence for initiating the Liverpool Care Pathway, a method of looking after terminally ill patients that is used in hospitals across the country.

Top doctor's chilling claim: The NHS kills off 130,000 elderly patients every year | Mail Online

Since were going into the Universal Health care I just wanted all of the people who support it think about this

Last I heard, NHS refers to the United Kingdom's publicly funded healthcare systems. Do you consider Obamacare to be "publicly funded"...?

National Health Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I consider it "publicly obstructed" first and foremost.

 

[Toro]

[
Retired accountant Gary Davidge of Calgary started looking into hip replacements two years ago when they cost $45,000 U.S. in Arizona. When the arthritis pain in his hip intensified in December, a medical broker found him a price of $18,800 in Montana.

Although Mr. Davidge's preference would have been to have his operation at home funded by Canada's public health system, the average wait was a year to 18 months, and no one could tell him with certainty when the surgery would take place.[/B]

Wait a minute. He spent 2 years looking for an American hip replacement because the waiting period in Canada was 18 months?

ha ha ha. I finally get to laugh once today.

My mother spent six months waiting to get her knee replaced. But they fucked up the operation, so she had to increase her recovery therapy. Her GP was incompetent and caused my mother excess pain. She wanted to switch doctors, but 10% don't have a GP because there is a shortage. GPs won't take patients who already have a GP. They take those without a GP first. So my mother has had to suffer. My father had carpal, for which he had to wait a year before getting treated because of a shortage of neurologists.

Having said that, I couldn't make my dentist appointment here in FL, so I called to reschedule. Of course, I've never gotten through to my dentists' office. I have to leave a voicemail with an email before they'll get back to me. So I did. The response (which was by email)? We have an opening in six months. True story.

 

[Listening]

A McKinsey and Co. report from 2008 found that a plurality of an estimated 60,000 to 85,000 medical tourists were traveling to the United States for the purpose of receiving in-patient medical care; the same McKinsey study estimated that 750,000 American medical tourists traveled from the United States to other countries in 2007 (up from 500,000 in 2006) wiki

Their data
show that heart surgery which costs more
than $50,000 in the United States can be
purchased for $20,000 in Singapore, for
$12,000 in Thailand and between $3,000
and $10,000 in India. Though one may
have doubts about the quality and safety
of such a heavily discounted heart procedure, the success rate of coronary bypass
surgery in India is reported to be 98.7 per
cent as against 97.5 per cent in the US.
Already, people can receive most major or
complex procedures abroad. The competition is on, and most hospitals catering
for the international market have either
passed Western accreditation standards
or are attempting to do so.

****************************

Boy look at that....the free market at work.

Here was an interesting tidbit from the McKinsey Study

How about the National Health Care:

Growing numbers of consumers
are not willing to put up with the
rationing-by-waiting for a doctor
anymore and are paying out-ofpocket to jump the queue in industrialised countries. For instance, in
Australia, patients are paying up to
$600 for private treatment to avoid
queues at crowded public hospital
emergency departments. At Sydney
Adventist Hospital, which has the
largest private emergency section
in NSW, doctors see 21,000 such
patients per year. Australian dental
tours to Thailand are already very
popular.

 

[Bfgrn]

Once again a liberal can't read well and so posts something they want to make it about.

I never said "large numbers of Canadians" come to the US for medical care. I stated that: People come from all over the world come here to be treated in the US. We have some of the finest doctors and specialized medicine treatment bar none"

The fact that Canadians don't mind long wait times is not a new piece of information- but for the wealthier Canadians who want specialty care...guess where they come. Mediocre medicine for the poor and middle class has become normalized. HMO's have contributed to that same kind of sub standard care as being acceptable and normal here. Obamacare merely put the government in charge of saying live with it and oh yeah subsidize.

I believe that creating a free market solution is possible. The number of solutions offered by conservatives, such as portability; co-ops; and cafeteria plans, in combination with the following article's idea, would go a long way in making good health care more affordable and accessible.

John C. Goodman: Why Mandated Health Insurance Is Unfair - WSJ.com

Yes, 'some' people come to America for health care. 'Some' people travel to Russia for caviar, BUT, wouldn't it make sense that the highest number would come from a country that is on our entire northern border? It ain't happening because, just like every single argument that comes from right wing parrots, it's BULLSHIT.

MORE Americans go to other countries for health care.

A McKinsey and Co. report from 2008 found that a plurality of an estimated 60,000 to 85,000 medical tourists were traveling to the United States for the purpose of receiving in-patient medical care; the same McKinsey study estimated that 750,000 American medical tourists traveled from the United States to other countries in 2007 (up from 500,000 in 2006) wiki

Nearly 1 million Californians seek medical care in Mexico annually.

Traveling for Care -- Outside the U.S.

America's health care is at the bottom of all industrialized countries.

A recent study reported in the Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine compared the amounts of money spent by nineteen Western countries on health care relative to their respective gross domestic product (GDP). The authors, Professor Colin Pritchard of the Bournemouth University School of Health and Social Care, and Dr. Mark Wallace of the Latymer School of London, ranked countries by the average percentage of GDP spent on health care between 1979 and 2005. They then looked at mortality rates for “all adults” (15-74 years old) and for just the “older” population (55-74) to determine a cost-effective ratio, i.e., how much “bang for the buck” each country has been getting for the money spent. The conclusions are striking.

Increasing Health Care Costs

It will come as no surprise that health care costs have gone up everywhere. In 1980, Sweden spent nine percent of its GDP on health care. The USA came in second at 8.8%. Most countries averaged about 7.1% of GDP. In 2005, the picture had changed. The United States was far in front of all other countries, spending an average of 12.2% of its GDP for all public and private health care costs. Germany was a somewhat distant second at 9.7%, with the average for all countries standing at 7.4%. In other words, while average health care expenditures increased from 7% to 7.4%, America’s costs jumped from 8.8% to 12.2% of GDP over the same span of time.

Mortality Rates

The study then looked at trends in mortality rates for both the entire adult population (15-74) and for older people (55-74). Deaths per million population were looked at, and the authors found that mortality rates had declined in segments of this population in every country, an indication that medical science has indeed improved over the past few decades.

Utilizing standard statistical tools and analysis, the authors then ranked the same 19 countries according to their effectiveness in reducing the mortality rate for the elderly populace ages 55 to 74. Comparing the amount of money spent by each country on health care and the reduced mortality rates, the countries fell into the following ranking:

1 Ireland
2 United Kingdom
3 New Zealand
4 Austria
5 Australia
6 Italy
7 Finland
8 Japan
9 Spain
10 Sweden
11 Canada
12 Netherlands
13 France
14 Norway
15 Greece
16 Germany
17 USA
18 Portugal
19 Switzerland

Conclusions

Take a look. America outspends everyone else by far on health care, and has shown the least amount of improvement on mortality rates, with the exception of Portugal and Switzerland. Why does the United States do such a poor job?

The authors give several potential reasons, including regional disparities in health care availability in a country as large as the US, the much higher rate of firearms-related homicides here, and the higher number of un-insureds we have. The study is, however, consistent with other reports that show the USA is doing a poor job of health care for its citizens. A recent UNICEF report looked at “well-being” of children among major industrialized countries (e.g. material wealth, family relationships, health care), and found the United States ranking 23rd of 24 countries reviewed.

Universal vs. Private Health Insurance

There is one factor common to the top 15 countries on the above list. They all have strong state funding of single-payer universal health care, instead of insurance based health care tied to employment. The bottom four countries – Germany, USA, Portugal and Switzerland – all depend more heavily on profit-based, private health insurance provided primarily through the employer/employee relationship.

I never gave anybody hell. I just told the truth and they thought it was hell.
Harry S. Truman

Does your study on the mortality rates of the elderly account for those who die violtently ? That means car accidents, gun shots, and being assaulted by their coked up grandkids for money ?

Here is what we know about the elderly in America...

American life expectancy at birth ranks 30th in the world. We remain 30th for the rest of our lives -- until we reach 65. Then, our rank rises until we reach 14th at 80. We can thank the remarkable access to health care provided by Medicare.

 

[Listening]

NHS doctors are prematurely ending the lives of thousands of elderly hospital patients because they are difficult to manage or to free up beds, a senior consultant claimed yesterday.
Professor Patrick Pullicino said doctors had turned the use of a controversial ‘death pathway’ into the equivalent of euthanasia of the elderly.
He claimed there was often a lack of clear evidence for initiating the Liverpool Care Pathway, a method of looking after terminally ill patients that is used in hospitals across the country.

Top doctor's chilling claim: The NHS kills off 130,000 elderly patients every year | Mail Online

Since were going into the Universal Health care I just wanted all of the people who support it think about this

How many people did the American system put to an early death? Can you say "pre-existing condition"? Can you say "can't afford healthcare"? How many Americans choose hospice?

I keep asking you lying bastards to put up some names of people who have died early....you know....the asswipe Harvard study......nobody has put up one.

You should have a half a million by now.....you should be able to product tens of thousands of names.

Just another suck-off lie from the suck-off left.

 

[Listening]

Yes, 'some' people come to America for health care. 'Some' people travel to Russia for caviar, BUT, wouldn't it make sense that the highest number would come from a country that is on our entire northern border? It ain't happening because, just like every single argument that comes from right wing parrots, it's BULLSHIT.

MORE Americans go to other countries for health care.

A McKinsey and Co. report from 2008 found that a plurality of an estimated 60,000 to 85,000 medical tourists were traveling to the United States for the purpose of receiving in-patient medical care; the same McKinsey study estimated that 750,000 American medical tourists traveled from the United States to other countries in 2007 (up from 500,000 in 2006) wiki

Nearly 1 million Californians seek medical care in Mexico annually.

Traveling for Care -- Outside the U.S.

America's health care is at the bottom of all industrialized countries.

A recent study reported in the Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine compared the amounts of money spent by nineteen Western countries on health care relative to their respective gross domestic product (GDP). The authors, Professor Colin Pritchard of the Bournemouth University School of Health and Social Care, and Dr. Mark Wallace of the Latymer School of London, ranked countries by the average percentage of GDP spent on health care between 1979 and 2005. They then looked at mortality rates for “all adults” (15-74 years old) and for just the “older” population (55-74) to determine a cost-effective ratio, i.e., how much “bang for the buck” each country has been getting for the money spent. The conclusions are striking.

Increasing Health Care Costs

It will come as no surprise that health care costs have gone up everywhere. In 1980, Sweden spent nine percent of its GDP on health care. The USA came in second at 8.8%. Most countries averaged about 7.1% of GDP. In 2005, the picture had changed. The United States was far in front of all other countries, spending an average of 12.2% of its GDP for all public and private health care costs. Germany was a somewhat distant second at 9.7%, with the average for all countries standing at 7.4%. In other words, while average health care expenditures increased from 7% to 7.4%, America’s costs jumped from 8.8% to 12.2% of GDP over the same span of time.

Mortality Rates

The study then looked at trends in mortality rates for both the entire adult population (15-74) and for older people (55-74). Deaths per million population were looked at, and the authors found that mortality rates had declined in segments of this population in every country, an indication that medical science has indeed improved over the past few decades.

Utilizing standard statistical tools and analysis, the authors then ranked the same 19 countries according to their effectiveness in reducing the mortality rate for the elderly populace ages 55 to 74. Comparing the amount of money spent by each country on health care and the reduced mortality rates, the countries fell into the following ranking:

1 Ireland
2 United Kingdom
3 New Zealand
4 Austria
5 Australia
6 Italy
7 Finland
8 Japan
9 Spain
10 Sweden
11 Canada
12 Netherlands
13 France
14 Norway
15 Greece
16 Germany
17 USA
18 Portugal
19 Switzerland

Conclusions

Take a look. America outspends everyone else by far on health care, and has shown the least amount of improvement on mortality rates, with the exception of Portugal and Switzerland. Why does the United States do such a poor job?

The authors give several potential reasons, including regional disparities in health care availability in a country as large as the US, the much higher rate of firearms-related homicides here, and the higher number of un-insureds we have. The study is, however, consistent with other reports that show the USA is doing a poor job of health care for its citizens. A recent UNICEF report looked at “well-being” of children among major industrialized countries (e.g. material wealth, family relationships, health care), and found the United States ranking 23rd of 24 countries reviewed.

Universal vs. Private Health Insurance

There is one factor common to the top 15 countries on the above list. They all have strong state funding of single-payer universal health care, instead of insurance based health care tied to employment. The bottom four countries – Germany, USA, Portugal and Switzerland – all depend more heavily on profit-based, private health insurance provided primarily through the employer/employee relationship.

I never gave anybody hell. I just told the truth and they thought it was hell.
Harry S. Truman

Does your study on the mortality rates of the elderly account for those who die violtently ? That means car accidents, gun shots, and being assaulted by their coked up grandkids for money ?

Here is what we know about the elderly in America...

American life expectancy at birth ranks 30th in the world. We remain 30th for the rest of our lives -- until we reach 65. Then, our rank rises until we reach 14th at 80. We can thank the remarkable access to health care provided by Medicare.

Did you answer my question ?

 

[tinydancer]

[
Retired accountant Gary Davidge of Calgary started looking into hip replacements two years ago when they cost $45,000 U.S. in Arizona. When the arthritis pain in his hip intensified in December, a medical broker found him a price of $18,800 in Montana.

Although Mr. Davidge's preference would have been to have his operation at home funded by Canada's public health system, the average wait was a year to 18 months, and no one could tell him with certainty when the surgery would take place.[/B]

Wait a minute. He spent 2 years looking for an American hip replacement because the waiting period in Canada was 18 months?

ha ha ha. I finally get to laugh once today.

Here's the part you obviously missed.

" and no one could tell him with certainty when the surgery would take place"

You see when the provincial government gives you an average wait time, you never are sure with any certainty if you will be able to get your operation at that wait time mark.

If there is one real issue we have up here, it is our wait times. They are outrageous. The governments are truly working on reducing them but it's still a slow go.

Not trying to BS you here or be partisan. I'm a huge fan of both the French and Swiss models which are two tier and highly efficient. That's the key. Those citizens truly get more bang for their bucks.

Trying to push and with some real success private clinics for those that can afford them. Get those people out of the queue and let the less well off move up quicker.

I just find it assinine that so few can have a decent discussion these days about the pros and cons of health care systems world wide without bring stupid freaking politics into it.

 

[Bfgrn]

Does your study on the mortality rates of the elderly account for those who die violtently ? That means car accidents, gun shots, and being assaulted by their coked up grandkids for money ?

Here is what we know about the elderly in America...

American life expectancy at birth ranks 30th in the world. We remain 30th for the rest of our lives -- until we reach 65. Then, our rank rises until we reach 14th at 80. We can thank the remarkable access to health care provided by Medicare.

Did you answer my question ?

The study addresses that.

"The authors give several potential reasons, including regional disparities in health care availability in a country as large as the US, the much higher rate of firearms-related homicides here, and the higher number of un-insureds we have."

That being said, the fact STILL remains:

American life expectancy at birth ranks 30th in the world. We remain 30th for the rest of our lives -- until we reach 65. Then, our rank rises until we reach 14th at 80. We can thank the remarkable access to health care provided by Medicare.

 

[Toro]

You see when the provincial government gives you an average wait time, you never are sure with any certainty if you will be able to get your operation at that wait time mark.

This is true. For my mother, she had to fly to Calgary and they gave her two weeks notice. They had waited for months and couldn't make plans for the winter because they didn't know.

 

[NYcarbineer]

[
Retired accountant Gary Davidge of Calgary started looking into hip replacements two years ago when they cost $45,000 U.S. in Arizona. When the arthritis pain in his hip intensified in December, a medical broker found him a price of $18,800 in Montana.

Although Mr. Davidge's preference would have been to have his operation at home funded by Canada's public health system, the average wait was a year to 18 months, and no one could tell him with certainty when the surgery would take place.[/B]

Wait a minute. He spent 2 years looking for an American hip replacement because the waiting period in Canada was 18 months?

ha ha ha. I finally get to laugh once today.

It said he started looking into....

Once again the left reads something that isn't there...so they can leave some kind of a spot in their mother's living room.

You are a moron.

Still smarting I see from your last beatdown. Pussy.

If he had got on the Canadian waiting list 2 years ago, he would have had his stupid hip by now.

 

[Listening]

Wait a minute. He spent 2 years looking for an American hip replacement because the waiting period in Canada was 18 months?

ha ha ha. I finally get to laugh once today.

It said he started looking into....

Once again the left reads something that isn't there...so they can leave some kind of a spot in their mother's living room.

You are a moron.

Still smarting I see from your last beatdown. Pussy.

If he had got on the Canadian waiting list 2 years ago, he would have had his stupid hip by now.

The only thing you beat swings between your legs and requires a magnifying glass to locate.

Outside of the fact that you are a twerp.......he started looking in to them two years ago. Now why would he get on the list if he hadn't decided he needed one.

The whole point of your post was (and they usually are) a big lie.

 

[Listening]

Here is what we know about the elderly in America...

American life expectancy at birth ranks 30th in the world. We remain 30th for the rest of our lives -- until we reach 65. Then, our rank rises until we reach 14th at 80. We can thank the remarkable access to health care provided by Medicare.

Did you answer my question ?

The study addresses that.

"The authors give several potential reasons, including regional disparities in health care availability in a country as large as the US, the much higher rate of firearms-related homicides here, and the higher number of un-insureds we have."

That being said, the fact STILL remains:

American life expectancy at birth ranks 30th in the world. We remain 30th for the rest of our lives -- until we reach 65. Then, our rank rises until we reach 14th at 80. We can thank the remarkable access to health care provided by Medicare.

No fact remains until we get clear if they removed those incidents. It appears they only utilize them as an explanation. An article was quoted for Seaditch that stated that if you do account for those things....our life expectency goes to number 1.

Premature death due to a gunshot wound has almost no reflection on our healthcare system.