Top 4 Obamacare Complaints

Puppy, you can keep your doctor, it's your insurance plan that may not meet the criteria for coverage.

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That's like saying "you can keep your car, I'm simply taking away the car keys and all 4 tires". Oh wytchey, it is priceless watching you hop from one foot to the next trying (weakly I might add) to defend the indefensible. If I can't drive the car wytchey, actually "having" the car does me no good. And if Obamacare FORCED me to change insurance to something my doctor doesn't accept, then you have FORCED me to change doctors. Want to try again, sweetie?

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Another major corporation - this time UPS - cites Obamacare for having to severely hurt their employees and their families. Oh, "salon.com" didnt tell you about this wytchey? Shocking! Now begin your meltdown and tell us all how this "isn't" true... :lol:

UPS to drop 15,000 workers' spouses from insurance, blames Obamacare - Aug. 21, 2013

UPS takes spouses off insurance; blames Obamacare - NBC News.com

UPS cutting health care for 15,000 spouses, blaming Obamacare

Employers dropping coverage for thousands of spouses over ObamaCare costs
 
"Misinformation"? Sweetie, unlike you, I document everything with dozens and dozens of links. This is the first link you've added in weeks - and like all the rest you add - it is some weak argument in an OP-Ed by an unreputable radical left-wing site. The person in this article looked at two companies and followed that very unscientific, lazy effort up with "but it's hard to say".

That's how desperate you are to avoid facts. After scouring the internet for hours, you can only find one sad little OP-Ed... :lmao:

While you cry at your kitchen table, why don't you chew on this article from a considerably more reputable site than the one you opinion blog you listed:

Here's Why So Many Americans Are Getting Letters Saying Their Health Insurance Is Canceled - Business Insider

(Wait...what? I thought "if you liked your doctor, you could keep your doctor"? Just another one in the thousands of lies Obama has been caught in).

Yes Puppy, misinformation. It took me less than 30 seconds on my break (on my phone) to find a counter to the BS you post. Here's some more now that I have a keyboard to control...

[MENTION=24452]Seawytch[/MENTION] is so demented and so desperate for her government table scraps that she will eschew millions of facts from the largest and most reputable news outlets for one Op-Ed from a radical left-wing propaganda site of the Dumbocrat party... :eusa_doh:

Tell us sweetie, is this a "lie"? :lmao:

Citing Obamacare, Cleveland Clinic to Cut $300M, Warns of Layoffs - US News and World Report

Cleveland Clinic announces job cuts to prepare for Obamacare | Reuters

World-Renowned Cleveland Clinic to Lay Off Thousands Due to Obamacare

Prestigious Cleveland Clinic Cuts $300M, Layoffs Loom Citing Obamacare | Ben Swann Truth In Media

Cleveland Clinic, Cited By Obama In Health Law Pitch, to Offer 'Early Retirement' to Thousands, Cut $330 Million, Citing ObamaCare - Fox Nation

Prestigious Cleveland Clinic Cuts $300M, Layoffs Loom Citing Obamacare

There is nothing I enjoy more than watching wytchey go twitchey from facts - just meltdown after meltdown because her blind beliefs take a sledgehammer to the face from facts. Now come on wytchey, find us a "salon.com" article which says this never happened... :lmao:

[MENTION=24452]Seawytch[/MENTION], why so quiet over there? This is a simple question (even for you). Is this a "lie"? This is the organization which hosted Barack Obama during his healthcare tour and which he specifically cited on national television on multiple occasions. The Cleveland Clinic - one of the most powerful healthcare institutions in the world - even supported Obamacare!

Citing Obamacare Cleveland Clinic Cuts $300 Million - incurs many layoffs | USNews

Citing Obamacare Cleveland Clinic Cuts $300 Million - incurs many layoffs | Reuters

World Renowned Clevleand Clinic to lay off thousands due to Obamacare

Prestigious Cleveland Clinic forced to cut $300 million and layoff workers because of Obamacare

Cleveland Clinic forced to cut $300 million and layoff workers cites Obamacare as the cause

Facts are a bitch for the wytch!

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So far the results of Obamacare for me and mine:

1. Our premiums have been increased by about 38%.

2. Our deductibles and copays have been roughy doubled.

3. Numerous things that were once covered no longer are. Absolutely nothing that wasn't covered before has been added.

4. Because so many clinics, hospitals, and doctors offices are being forced to lay off staff, there is less sanitation, waits for service are far longer, and there is increased consolidation that is not to the patient's advantage.

5. My hubbie's doctor that he dearly loves is taking early retirement because he can no longer stomach the mountain of increased red tape, restrictions, and stupid rules imposed by Obamacare. And this is happening more and more. Among the 10 different specialists that my elderly aunt and uncle are seeing for numerous medical problems, one--count him ONE--is American born.

6. And on top of the government website woes, there is this in the small print: privacy of personal and medical information cannot be guaranteed.

But this is the greatest thing to happen in America since sliced bread, yes?

Do you know how fake this sounds?? I don't believe you. And why do you call it, "USMB", coffee shop?? After being greeted quite coldly in this thread, it should be called, "Conservatives Welcome Only", coffee shop.

Were your wittle feewings hoort?
Nobody cares what you think.
Your response is a common refrain of liberals on this issue.
When people post their negative experiences regarding health insurance and ACA. You people dismiss them out of hand.
don't get to do that and then claim credibility.

As I previously posted here: http://www.usmessageboard.com/healt...op-4-obamacare-complaints-14.html#post8033783 , his comments about the Coffee Shop were a bald faced lie. So there is no reason to believe that his denial (or suspicions) about other people's experience with healthcare and the ACA are also not a bald faced lie.

But isn't that what liberals do? More often than not, they don't refute anything with honest, solid information. All they have is their undying and unthinking defense of a failed Administration and their determination to demonize, ridicule, or discredit anybody who might criticize it and/or its policies.

It takes very little effort to read the news accounts and hear the testimonies of those who are having bad experiences.

Like those yesteday who took the President at his word that if they could not get through to the website, they could call for help via phone. So those who called by phone were told that the website was down for 48 hours but they needed to create an account on the website before they could be helped by phone. When they reminded the 'technician' that the website was down so they couldn't create an account so they were given this number to call, they were told to wait the 48 hours, create the account, and then they could call.

You can't make this stuff up.
 
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Jay Leno said it best this week. The Administration has assured us that they are calling in the brightest and best to fix the problems with the website.

Why didn't they call in the brightest and best to set it up in the first place?
 
and yet many canadians come to the US for healthcare

facts, learn them

False. Very few Canadians go to the US for health care. Studies indicate that nearly all of the Canadians who receive medical treatment in the US are people who were in the US either for business or on vacation, and while there, became ill.

The husband of one my dearest friends suffered a heart attack while he was in the US on business. They requested that he be stabilized and returned to Canada by air ambulance because they wanted him to be treated in Canada.

And yes, you will have to pry our health care from our cold dead hands because we will never give it up. Politicians have lost elections here because they messed with our health care.

Last but not least, Tommy Douglas, the man who originated our health care system, was recently named as the greatest Canadian who ever lived.

Do you have a credible source, other than a rabid leftwing hate site, to back up your opinion?

Your own Frasier Institute disagrees with you:

The nonpartisan Fraser Institute reported that 46,159 Canadians sought medical treatment outside of Canada in 2011, as wait times increased 104 percent — more than double — compared with statistics from 1993.

Specialist physicians surveyed across 12 specialties and 10 provinces reported an average total wait time of 19 weeks between the time a general practitioner refers a patient and the time a specialist provides elective treatment — the longest they have ever recordedRead more: Report: Thousands fled Canada for health care in 2011 | The Daily Caller

Plus, the Canadian healthcare system is no longer paying for itself despite high taxes assessed to pay for it:

CALGARY, ALBERTA--(Marketwire - Dec 10, 2012) - The Canadian health care system was facing a $537.7 billion shortfall at the end of 2010, an amount equal to more than $32,000 for each Canadian taxpayer, calculates a new report from the Fraser Institute, Canada''s leading public policy think-tank.Fraser Institute: Aging Population and Changing Demographics Mean Canada's Health Care System Facing a Funding Gap of More Than $537 Billion - Yahoo Finance

And you can verify the information cited here:
http://www.fraserinstitute.org/uplo...publications/hospital-report-card-BC-2011.pdf

Waiting Your Turn: Wait Times for Health Care in Canada, 2012 Report | Fraser Institute

Waiting for Health Care Is Not a Necessary Evil | Nadeem Esmail

I think we will need to look somewhere other than Canada to justify Obamacare.
 
and yet many canadians come to the US for healthcare

facts, learn them

False. Very few Canadians go to the US for health care. Studies indicate that nearly all of the Canadians who receive medical treatment in the US are people who were in the US either for business or on vacation, and while there, became ill.

The husband of one my dearest friends suffered a heart attack while he was in the US on business. They requested that he be stabilized and returned to Canada by air ambulance because they wanted him to be treated in Canada.

And yes, you will have to pry our health care from our cold dead hands because we will never give it up. Politicians have lost elections here because they messed with our health care.

Last but not least, Tommy Douglas, the man who originated our health care system, was recently named as the greatest Canadian who ever lived.

Please drink some more Kool-Aid


Canada's Private Clinics Surge as Public System Falters

Accepting money from patients for operations they would otherwise receive free of charge in a public hospital is technically prohibited in this country, even in cases where patients would wait months or even years before receiving treatment.

But no one is about to arrest Dr. Brian Day, who is president and medical director of the center, or any of the 120 doctors who work there. Public hospitals are sending him growing numbers of patients they are too busy to treat, and his center is advertising that patients do not have to wait to replace their aching knees.

The country's publicly financed health insurance system — frequently described as the third rail of its political system and a core value of its national identity — is gradually breaking down. Private clinics are opening around the country by an estimated one a week, and private insurance companies are about to find a gold mine.
Canada's Private Clinics Surge as Public System Falters : Dr. Brian Day

Private clinics continue explosive growth

While skirmishers in the ongoing battle between private and public health care in Canada continue to slug it out through court cases, regulatory complaints and debates, the swelling number of private clinics indicates that what once was privatization trickle may soon become a wave.

“What’s been tough is that it’s being done underhandedly,” says Cory Verbauwhede, a lawyer for Médecins Québécois pour le Régime Public, a pro-medicare group in Quebec. “No one is saying we’re privatizing the system, it’s being done bit by bit.”

No medical association or government body keeps official track of private clinics at a national level but what evidence exists suggests that the numbers have swollen well into the hundreds. In Quebec alone, there’s been a big explosion of private clinics, says Dr. Zoltan Nagy, president of the Canadian Independent Medical Clinics Association, a lobby organization for private health care in Canada. The Quebec government does not keep a comprehensive list of private clinics operating in the province but Nagy estimates there are around 300 private clinics there, including several that focus on providing executive health and cosmetic services.
Private clinics continue explosive growth

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The objective evidence undermines the arguments of non-sustainability by Yurt and Meister against Canada and the USA's programs.

The fact remains that American free market systems failed the American people on this issue, and as such the free market system is being incorporated in a statist system.

Tuff that. GOP had twenty years to resolve it and made no effort to do so.

Tis what tis.
 
Here's Top-10

-Geaux

Top 10 Obama Lies | Human Events

1. Americans want higher taxes: During the debate over raising the debt ceiling, President Obama said that 80% of Americans support including higher taxes as part of the deal. But a Rasmussen poll taken the same week showed that only 34% believe a tax hike should be included in a debt-ceiling agreement.

2. Mother denied health insurance: During his presidential campaign, Obama said that his mother died of cancer after being denied coverage for a preexisting condition. He used her image in a campaign ad, repeated the claim in debates, and used the same rhetoric as President when he tried to sell ObamaCare to the American people. But a new book by New York Times reporter Janny Scott says that Obama’s mother, Ann Dunham, had health insurance through her employer and was only denied disability insurance.

3. Tax restraint for middle and lower class: Obama pledged during his campaign and throughout his presidency not to raise taxes on families making less than $250,000. But ObamaCare’s individual mandate will hit many under the $250,000 mark. (Obama’s own Justice Department said the mandate was a tax, not a penalty, when it argued its constitutionality.) Not to mention a higher federal cigarette tax and countless other “fees” in the health care law that hit the middle and lower class.

4. Shovel-ready jobs: When Obama was selling his $787 billion stimulus package, he consistently bragged about how shovel-ready construction jobs would be funded across the nation. Even the President later admitted that was a lie, when he told the New York Times: “There’s no such thing as shovel-ready projects.”

5. Keep your doctor: President Obama repeatedly pledged that under his health care measure, Americans would be able to keep their doctors. However, with rising costs, many employers will dump their health care plans and force workers into the state health care exchanges (unless you belong to one of the unions getting ObamaCare waivers.) A survey by McKinsey & Company found that more than 30% of companies will discontinue coverage for their workers.

6. No lobbyists: During the 2008 presidential campaign, Obama said: “We have the chance to tell all those corporate lobbyists that the days of them setting the agenda in Washington are over. … I don’t take a dime of their money, and when I am President, they won’t find a job in my White House.” At least a dozen former lobbyists got top jobs in his administration at the beginning of his presidency, according to Politico, and National Public Radio reported the Obama administration was granting waivers to lobbyists to circumvent the ban.

7. Foreign money in campaigns: During his 2010 State of the Union address, and again during the 2010 midterm elections, Obama railed against foreign money influencing U.S. elections. The only problem was that there was no evidence to support the charge or, as Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito, in the State of the Union audience, silently mouthed, “Not true.”

8. Arizona immigration law: During the battle over Arizona’s immigration law, President Obama said: “Now suddenly if you don’t have your papers and you took your kid out to get ice cream, you can be harassed, that’s something that could potentially happen.” Uh, actually, Mr. President, it couldn’t. The law would allow law enforcement officials to inquire about immigration status only when there is suspicion of a crime being committed.

9. Transparency: Obama pledged that transparency would be a top priority, but his administration refused to grant one-third of the Freedom of Information Act requests, according to an Associated Press analysis. He also was dishonest about transparency when he said that health-care negotiations would be televised on C-SPAN and that he would wait five days to sign a bill so people would have a chance to read it online.

10. Constitutional oath: During his January 2009 inauguration, Barack Obama pledged to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States,” yet he has consistently ignored the 10th Amendment giving powers not enumerated in the Constitution to the states. Exhibit No. 1: ObamaCare.

It's really remarkable that Obama is so stupid, he believes he can lie like Joseph Stalin in this day & age. He's so ignorant of technology. The internet, cell phones with built in video camera's and still picture camera's, email, cable news, etc. all ensure that every lie he tells will be exposed.

It's also why Dumbocrats are so angry all of the time - they are livid when the truth gets out in place of their official socialist narrative.

Obama is NOT stupid. He simply does not care to obey the laws which limit the powers of the Executive Branch.
On many occasions, this president has gone forward with decisions that are in direct conflict with the US Constitution's many clauses and directives whiuh limit the powers of the Office of POTUS.
For example. Tired of waiting for Congress to enact his environmental agenda, Obama signed and Executive Order giving the EPA broad powers. One of which permits the EPA to bypass Congressional oversight. Essentially, the EPA is now the fourth branch of the federal government.
 
Here's Top-10

-Geaux

Top 10 Obama Lies | Human Events

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10. Constitutional oath: During his January 2009 inauguration, Barack Obama pledged to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States,” yet he has consistently ignored the 10th Amendment giving powers not enumerated in the Constitution to the states. Exhibit No. 1: ObamaCare.

Proof positive [MENTION=19543]Geaux4it[/MENTION] is a Class A Imbecile

Obamacare/PPACA was enacted by a duly.elected Congress and signed into law by a duly elected President.

Supreme Court decision.

Move on -- is more than just a dot org .
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The Bill was passed without a republican vote, and the Supreme Court only took up whether it was a fee or a tax. Roberts legislated that it was a tax.

Actually the Plaintiffs in the case argued that Obamacare was commerce. The Defendant argued it was a tax.
Had the SCOTUS ruled in favor of the Plaintiff, that ACA was commerce, such a ruling would have rendered ACA Unconstitutional.
 
The objective evidence undermines the arguments of non-sustainability by Yurt and Meister against Canada and the USA's programs.

The fact remains that American free market systems failed the American people on this issue, and as such the free market system is being incorporated in a statist system.

Tuff that. GOP had twenty years to resolve it and made no effort to do so.

Tis what tis.

So you've decided to go with the popular version of the Left.
 
Millions of Americans Are Losing Their Health Plans Because of Obamacare


But the president's promise is turning out to be false for millions of Americans who have had their health insurance policies canceled because they don't meet the requirements of the Affordable Care Act.





[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoV0NeHNklk][FLASHBACK] Obama: If you like your health care plan you can keep your health care plan - YouTube[/ame]
 
FACT-CHECKED: Hannity Causing Immediate Harm To Consumers

In a galling display of disregard for the public interest, Sean Hannity has been broadcasting provably false information on radio and TV about the Affordable Care Act. Salon’s “Inside the Fox News lie machine: I fact-checked Sean Hannity on Obamacare” uncovered how he distorted the stories of three couples to imply that they were worse off under Obamacare’s new rules. In fact, the couples are now able to get more coverage for less money, but Hannity did not retract his report.

By last night, Hannity’s lies were corrected on the Rachel Maddow Show, in the Washington Post, Politico, Huffington Post, CNN (VIDEO), The Ed Show (VIDEO), and many other outlets. Hannity refuses to address any of the coverage calling him out for deceit.

But now Consumer Reports has also chimed in, correcting statements made by Hannity, The Hill and bloggers on Breitbart.com as “not true.” Consumer Reports advised shoppers the best time to enroll in Obamacare was a few weeks off, while expected delays and glitches at HealthCare.gov are ironed out. Hannity took this out-of-context, squealing “Consumer Reports, Ann, they’re telling people, ‘stay away from the website!’” in a segment to Ann Coulter, when just the opposite was true. Consumer Reports has unequivocally endorsed the exchange as the best place to purchase health care.

Hannity’s misinformation forced the nation’s leading consumer reporting experts to release a statement correcting the record so Americans can get accurate advice for purchasing healthcare policies. How is this connected to the Tea Party “scorch everything” campaign we just witnessed? Read on …

FACT-CHECKED: Hannity Causing Immediate Harm To Consumers | MyFDL

I wish I could post the entire article here. Hope you righties will read it.
 
FACT-CHECKED: Hannity Causing Immediate Harm To Consumers

In a galling display of disregard for the public interest, Sean Hannity has been broadcasting provably false information on radio and TV about the Affordable Care Act. Salon’s “Inside the Fox News lie machine: I fact-checked Sean Hannity on Obamacare” uncovered how he distorted the stories of three couples to imply that they were worse off under Obamacare’s new rules. In fact, the couples are now able to get more coverage for less money, but Hannity did not retract his report.

By last night, Hannity’s lies were corrected on the Rachel Maddow Show, in the Washington Post, Politico, Huffington Post, CNN (VIDEO), The Ed Show (VIDEO), and many other outlets. Hannity refuses to address any of the coverage calling him out for deceit.

But now Consumer Reports has also chimed in, correcting statements made by Hannity, The Hill and bloggers on Breitbart.com as “not true.” Consumer Reports advised shoppers the best time to enroll in Obamacare was a few weeks off, while expected delays and glitches at HealthCare.gov are ironed out. Hannity took this out-of-context, squealing “Consumer Reports, Ann, they’re telling people, ‘stay away from the website!’” in a segment to Ann Coulter, when just the opposite was true. Consumer Reports has unequivocally endorsed the exchange as the best place to purchase health care.

Hannity’s misinformation forced the nation’s leading consumer reporting experts to release a statement correcting the record so Americans can get accurate advice for purchasing healthcare policies. How is this connected to the Tea Party “scorch everything” campaign we just witnessed? Read on …

FACT-CHECKED: Hannity Causing Immediate Harm To Consumers | MyFDL

I wish I could post the entire article here. Hope you righties will read it.

[MENTION=21173]Rinata[/MENTION] - as always, Salon.com spoon fed you propaganda and you swallowed it whole.

First and foremost, their position that "Hannity lied" is hysterical since their entire article is about the guests on Hannity. Well guess what genius - Sean Hannity cannot control what his guests say. So right here we have a glaring siren going off about left-wing propaganda - falsely blaming the host for the words of the guests.

Second, and more important, Salon here claims they called one man who doesn't even have enough employees to be bound by Obamacare and thus he lied that he cannot hire and must cut back because of Obamacare. It is fall down hysterical that you swallowed this line [MENTION=21173]Rinata[/MENTION]. It doesn't matter how many emlpoyees you have - everyone is hammered by Obamacare (hard) because Obamacare has crushed everyone with devastating new taxes that we cannot afford.

Rinata - sweetie - you're refusal to think for yourself (even on something so basic as this) makes it so easy for propaganda outlets like Salon to make you their slave. So how does that propaganda taste going down? I hear a spoonful of sugar helps! :bang3:
 
The objective evidence undermines the arguments of non-sustainability by Yurt and Meister against Canada and the USA's programs.

The fact remains that American free market systems failed the American people on this issue, and as such the free market system is being incorporated in a statist system.

Tuff that. GOP had twenty years to resolve it and made no effort to do so.

Tis what tis.

How is fixing the price of insurance a free market?
 
The objective evidence undermines the arguments of non-sustainability by Yurt and Meister against Canada and the USA's programs.

The fact remains that American free market systems failed the American people on this issue, and as such the free market system is being incorporated in a statist system.

Tuff that. GOP had twenty years to resolve it and made no effort to do so.

Tis what tis.

How is fixing the price of insurance a free market?

You're a far right reactionary. That's how.
 
The objective evidence undermines the arguments of non-sustainability by Yurt and Meister against Canada and the USA's programs.

The fact remains that American free market systems failed the American people on this issue, and as such the free market system is being incorporated in a statist system.

Tuff that. GOP had twenty years to resolve it and made no effort to do so.

Tis what tis.

How is fixing the price of insurance a free market?

You're a far right reactionary. That's how.

I am a pig, but that is not relevant to my question.
 

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