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So far the results of Obamacare for me and mine:
1. Our premiums have been increased by about 38%.
2. Our deductibles and copays have been roughy doubled.
3. Numerous things that were once covered no longer are. Absolutely nothing that wasn't covered before has been added.
4. Because so many clinics, hospitals, and doctors offices are being forced to lay off staff, there is less sanitation, waits for service are far longer, and there is increased consolidation that is not to the patient's advantage.
5. My hubbie's doctor that he dearly loves is taking early retirement because he can no longer stomach the mountain of increased red tape, restrictions, and stupid rules imposed by Obamacare. And this is happening more and more. Among the 10 different specialists that my elderly aunt and uncle are seeing for numerous medical problems, one--count him ONE--is American born.
6. And on top of the government website woes, there is this in the small print: privacy of personal and medical information cannot be guaranteed.
But this is the greatest thing to happen in America since sliced bread, yes?
Do you know how fake this sounds?? I don't believe you. And why do you call it, "USMB", coffee shop?? After being greeted quite coldly in this thread, it should be called, "Conservatives Welcome Only", coffee shop.
Oops! Looks like two trailer-park broads just got exposed (again) for their profound ignorance of what is going on in their nation and in their government...
Obamacare = 198% Increase in Georgia Health Insurance Rates
Obamacare = 198% Increase in Georgia Health Insurance Rates
Wow - this one is a 300% increase. Why so quiet over ther [MENTION=24452]Seawytch[/MENTION]?
Obamacare Increases Man's Premiums 300%, Supporters Call It a Success Story | Cato @ Liberty
http://m.onlineathens.com/health/20... thousands of lies Obama has been caught in).
The failure is getting too big for the MSM to cover up
Poll: Majority believe health-care Web site problems indicate broader issue with law
Fifty-six percent of Americans say the Web site problems are part of a broader problem with the laws implementation
You idiot, you think you can call failure in less than a month after the rollout? Obamacare is here to stay just like SS, Medicare and now Medicaid as the R governors are falling in line and applying for the Medicaid expansion.
Get a grip, Rome wasn't built in a day.
Nothing you said has anything to do with Hannity's lies.
Uh-oh, running from the facts [MENTION=18701]NYcarbineer[/MENTION]?!? Yeah, I didn't think you'd want to learn the truth about Obamcare. Don't want to be enlightened and face having the foundation of your socialism shaken by facts
Hannity never lied. Deep down, you know it too.
I proved that Hannity lied; I don't need affirmation from you.
And is anybody else picking up on the fact that the Obama worshippers are simply beside themselves that the personal testimonies some of us are giving here might soil the shining symbol of what the Obama Administration is all about--socialized medicine among other things? Why else would they accuse us of lying?
Beside themselves? They're declaring everyone with such tales of woe to be outright liars.
Yep. Probably all who will take the Obama penalty for not getting insurance--that is by far the cheapest way to go--don't really give a damn about what it is costing any of the rest of us. But its easy to call us a liar purely because they don't want to believe us. But they won't call Obama a liar on the strength that just about every single thing Obama promised about this whole boondoggle was a blatant lie.
Or I might be unfair there because if he believed it was the truth, he was not technically a liar. He was an incompetent idiot instead.
So take your pick folks. . . .
Here's Top-10
-Geaux
Top 10 Obama Lies | Human Events
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10. Constitutional oath: During his January 2009 inauguration, Barack Obama pledged to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, yet he has consistently ignored the 10th Amendment giving powers not enumerated in the Constitution to the states. Exhibit No. 1: ObamaCare.
Proof positive [MENTION=19543]Geaux4it[/MENTION] is a Class A Imbecile
Obamacare/PPACA was enacted by a duly.elected Congress and signed into law by a duly elected President.
Supreme Court decision.
Move on -- is more than just a dot org .
Wow - this one is a 300% increase. Why so quiet over ther @Seawytch?
Obamacare Increases Man's Premiums 300%, Supporters Call It a Success Story | Cato @ Liberty
http://m.onlineathens.com/health/20...rue [MENTION=22217]Mustang[/MENTION]... :lol:
I proved that Hannity lied; I don't need affirmation from you.
Uh, no you didn't you delusional buffoon. You didn't prove one lie.
First of all you ignorant buffoon, your propagana story (that only moron's like you believe) never talked to Hannity. They talked to his guests. So at best you have that the people he interviewed lied (and how is he supposed to control what other people he interviews say?!). But sadly you don't even have that.
Meanwhile, I have a left-wing institution which supported Obama admitting they have to cut $300 million per year from their budget and cut working people for, the private sector (who will end up on the government teat) because of Obamacare.
Want to try again [MENTION=18701]NYcarbineer[/MENTION]? Because so far, this is not going well for you.
Funny that the guy who did the factchecking on Hannity's guests was able to make a few phone calls and ask a few questions to get the truth.
I think we know why Hannity or his people didn't do that.
lol, the guy named Cox claimed he couldn't hire anyone and had to keep his people at parttime because of Obamacare.
Turned out he has FOUR employees!!!! Yes, 46 less than the 50 employee limit where Obamacare kicks in.
Here's Top-10
-Geaux
Top 10 Obama Lies | Human Events
1. Americans want higher taxes: During the debate over raising the debt ceiling, President Obama said that 80% of Americans support including higher taxes as part of the deal. But a Rasmussen poll taken the same week showed that only 34% believe a tax hike should be included in a debt-ceiling agreement.
2. Mother denied health insurance: During his presidential campaign, Obama said that his mother died of cancer after being denied coverage for a preexisting condition. He used her image in a campaign ad, repeated the claim in debates, and used the same rhetoric as President when he tried to sell ObamaCare to the American people. But a new book by New York Times reporter Janny Scott says that Obamas mother, Ann Dunham, had health insurance through her employer and was only denied disability insurance.
3. Tax restraint for middle and lower class: Obama pledged during his campaign and throughout his presidency not to raise taxes on families making less than $250,000. But ObamaCares individual mandate will hit many under the $250,000 mark. (Obamas own Justice Department said the mandate was a tax, not a penalty, when it argued its constitutionality.) Not to mention a higher federal cigarette tax and countless other fees in the health care law that hit the middle and lower class.
4. Shovel-ready jobs: When Obama was selling his $787 billion stimulus package, he consistently bragged about how shovel-ready construction jobs would be funded across the nation. Even the President later admitted that was a lie, when he told the New York Times: Theres no such thing as shovel-ready projects.
5. Keep your doctor: President Obama repeatedly pledged that under his health care measure, Americans would be able to keep their doctors. However, with rising costs, many employers will dump their health care plans and force workers into the state health care exchanges (unless you belong to one of the unions getting ObamaCare waivers.) A survey by McKinsey & Company found that more than 30% of companies will discontinue coverage for their workers.
6. No lobbyists: During the 2008 presidential campaign, Obama said: We have the chance to tell all those corporate lobbyists that the days of them setting the agenda in Washington are over. I dont take a dime of their money, and when I am President, they wont find a job in my White House. At least a dozen former lobbyists got top jobs in his administration at the beginning of his presidency, according to Politico, and National Public Radio reported the Obama administration was granting waivers to lobbyists to circumvent the ban.
7. Foreign money in campaigns: During his 2010 State of the Union address, and again during the 2010 midterm elections, Obama railed against foreign money influencing U.S. elections. The only problem was that there was no evidence to support the charge or, as Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito, in the State of the Union audience, silently mouthed, Not true.
8. Arizona immigration law: During the battle over Arizonas immigration law, President Obama said: Now suddenly if you dont have your papers and you took your kid out to get ice cream, you can be harassed, thats something that could potentially happen. Uh, actually, Mr. President, it couldnt. The law would allow law enforcement officials to inquire about immigration status only when there is suspicion of a crime being committed.
9. Transparency: Obama pledged that transparency would be a top priority, but his administration refused to grant one-third of the Freedom of Information Act requests, according to an Associated Press analysis. He also was dishonest about transparency when he said that health-care negotiations would be televised on C-SPAN and that he would wait five days to sign a bill so people would have a chance to read it online.
10. Constitutional oath: During his January 2009 inauguration, Barack Obama pledged to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, yet he has consistently ignored the 10th Amendment giving powers not enumerated in the Constitution to the states. Exhibit No. 1: ObamaCare.
Really. You were treated coldly in that thread? Not that it has anything to do with this, but let's review. (I keep VERY good records)
Your first post in the Coffee Shop was 8-15-2010 and from that point until 9-12-2010, you were greeted by numerous other folks in the Coffee Shop and you made more than 40 posts interacting with people and were treated in a most friendly manner by everybody - rudely by nobody.
And I can quickly think of a half dozen regulars in the Coffee Shop crowd now who are quite decidedly left of center but who are very much family and quite beloved therequite a few others who have stopped in now and then.
Post #4087 in which I personally greeted you
You have not visited Coffee Shop II.
Perhaps you would like to revise and extend your remarks?
So maybe if you were more honest you wouldn't remember so poorly. And what many of us know to be true would not seem so 'fake' to you. I have nothing to gain by lying about it. And I am the one living it.
You lied. That has not happened to your health insurance plan.
It hasn't? Could you convince my husband of that? He is really bummed that his doctor is quitting. Maybe you better tell the doctor that he isn't quitting for the reasons he stated either. I will leave it to the people in real life who know me and participate on this forum or who read in from now and then to judge whether I am lying. I feel pretty certain they don't think so.
and yet many canadians come to the US for healthcare
facts, learn them
The USSR collapsed because of the high cost in healthcare?It absolutely is "ok". Who the fuck are you to tell anyone else what they should charge for their labor [MENTION=2873]Billo_Really[/MENTION]?!?
You don't like the cost, get up off of your lazy ass and become a doctor. Then charge less. Of get up off of your lazy ass and build your own hospital. Then charge less.
See, that's the beauty of the free market you ignorant asshole. If you don't like something, you can change it yourself any time you want.
But lazy parasites like you would rather collapse the United States with the exact same ignorant policies which collapsed the U.S.S.R. than take personal responsibility for anything. Why but the can of beer down and leave your trailer park to build your own hospital when you can just complain all day, right?
So far the results of Obamacare for me and mine:
1. Our premiums have been increased by about 38%.
2. Our deductibles and copays have been roughy doubled.
3. Numerous things that were once covered no longer are. Absolutely nothing that wasn't covered before has been added.
4. Because so many clinics, hospitals, and doctors offices are being forced to lay off staff, there is less sanitation, waits for service are far longer, and there is increased consolidation that is not to the patient's advantage.
5. My hubbie's doctor that he dearly loves is taking early retirement because he can no longer stomach the mountain of increased red tape, restrictions, and stupid rules imposed by Obamacare. And this is happening more and more. Among the 10 different specialists that my elderly aunt and uncle are seeing for numerous medical problems, one--count him ONE--is American born.
6. And on top of the government website woes, there is this in the small print: privacy of personal and medical information cannot be guaranteed.
But this is the greatest thing to happen in America since sliced bread, yes?
Do you know how fake this sounds?? I don't believe you. And why do you call it, "USMB", coffee shop?? After being greeted quite coldly in this thread, it should be called, "Conservatives Welcome Only", coffee shop.
Really. You were treated coldly in that thread? Not that it has anything to do with this, but let's review. (I keep VERY good records)
Your first post in the Coffee Shop was 8-15-2010 and from that point until 9-12-2010, you were greeted by numerous other folks in the Coffee Shop and you made more than 40 posts interacting with people and were treated in a most friendly manner by everybody - rudely by nobody.
And I can quickly think of a half dozen regulars in the Coffee Shop crowd now who are quite decidedly left of center but who are very much family and quite beloved therequite a few others who have stopped in now and then.
Post #4087 in which I personally greeted you
And a warm USMB Coffee Shop welcome to RINATA!!! who is a first timer today. Welcome, welcome. We hope you find a happy niche here as so many of us have!'
Rinata makes Member #98. Two more folks and we have an even 100.
You have not visited Coffee Shop II.
Perhaps you would like to revise and extend your remarks?
So maybe if you were more honest you wouldn't remember so poorly. And what many of us know to be true would not seem so 'fake' to you. I have nothing to gain by lying about it. And I am the one living it.
Edit to make sure [MENTION=21173]Rinata[/MENTION] sees this since the threads were merged in the process of making the post.
Wow - this one is a 300% increase. Why so quiet over ther [MENTION=24452]Seawytch[/MENTION]?
Obamacare Increases Man's Premiums 300%, Supporters Call It a Success Story | Cato @ Liberty
http://m.onlineathens.com/health/20...GA - Feds unveil low premiums on the Exchange
Fox and the right wing talking heads are LYING to you, Puppy.
Do you watch that giant talking head with his tic tac brain, Sean Hannity? Did you see his families full of Obamacare woe? They were full of shit.
I decided to hit the pavement. I tracked down Hannitys guests, one by one, and did my own telephone interviews with them.
First I spoke with Paul Cox of Leicester, N.C. He and his wife Michelle had lamented to Hannity that because of Obamacare, they cant grow their construction business and they have kept their employees below a certain number of hours, so that they are part-timers.
Obamacare has no effect on businesses with 49 employees or less. But in our brief conversation on the phone, Paul revealed that he has only four employees. Why the cutback on his workforce? Well, he said, I havent been forced to do so, its just that Ive chosen to do so. I have to deal with increased costs. What costs? And how, I asked him, is any of it due to Obamacare? There was a long pause, after which he said hed call me back. He never did. [...]
Next I called Allison Denijs. Shed told Hannity that she pays over $13,000 a year in premiums. Like the other guests, she said she had recently gotten a letter from Blue Cross saying that her policy was being terminated and a new, ACA-compliant policy would take its place. She says this shows that Obama lied when he promised Americans that we could keep our existing policies.
Allisons husband left his job a few years ago, one with benefits at a big company, to start his own business. Since then theyve been buying insurance on the open market, and are now paying around $1,100 a month for a policy with a $2,500 deductible per family member, with hefty annual premium hikes. One of their two children is not covered under the policy. She has a preexisting condition that would require purchasing additional coverage for $600 a month, which would bring the familys grand total to around $20,000 a year.
I asked Allison if shed shopped on the exchange, to see what a plan might cost under the new law. She said she hadnt done so because shed heard the website was not working. Would she try it out when its up and running? Perhaps, she said. She told me she has long opposed Obamacare, and that the president should have focused on tort reform as a solution to bringing down the price of healthcare.
I tried an experiment and shopped on the exchange for Allison and Kurt. Assuming they dont smoke and have a household income too high to be eligible for subsidies, I found that they would be able to get a plan for around $7,600, which would include coverage for their uninsured daughter. This would be about a 60 percent reduction from what they would have to pay on the pre-Obamacare market.[...]
Finally, I called Robbie and Tina Robison from Franklin, Tenn. Robbie is self-employed as a Christian youth motivational speaker. (You can see his work here.) On Hannity, the couple said that they, too, were recently notified that their Blue Cross policy would be expiring for lack of ACA compliance. They told Hannity that the replacement plans Blue Cross was offering would come with a rate increase of 50 percent or even 75 percent, and that the new offerings would contain all sorts of benefits they dont need, like maternity care, pediatric care, prenatal care and so forth. Their kids are grown and moved out, so why should they be forced to pay extra for a health plan with superfluous features?
When I spoke to Robbie, he said he and Tina have been paying a little over $800 a month for their plan, about $10,000 a year. And the ACA-compliant policy that will cost 50-75 percent more? They said this information was related to them by their insurance agent.
Had they shopped on the exchange yet, I asked? No, Tina said, nor would they. They oppose Obamacare and want nothing to do with it. Fair enough, but they should know that I found a plan for them for, at most, $3,700 a year, 63 percent less than their current bill. It might cover things that they dont need, but so does every insurance policy.
Inside the Fox News lie machine: I fact-checked Sean Hannity on Obamacare
and yet many canadians come to the US for healthcare
facts, learn them
False. Very few Canadians go to the US for health care. Studies indicate that nearly all of the Canadians who receive medical treatment in the US are people who were in the US either for business or on vacation, and while there, became ill.
The husband of one my dearest friends suffered a heart attack while he was in the US on business. They requested that he be stabilized and returned to Canada by air ambulance because they wanted him to be treated in Canada.
And yes, you will have to pry our health care from our cold dead hands because we will never give it up. Politicians have lost elections here because they messed with our health care.
Last but not least, Tommy Douglas, the man who originated our health care system, was recently named as the greatest Canadian who ever lived.
Do you know what sticks in my mind the most about that experience?? That you and I exchanged posts at first. After a few weeks you didn't respond as much and when you did I sensed the chill. Soon you stopped responding altogether.
Your preference was people that held your beliefs. That's what I remember. So I just stopped going there. No biggie.
http://m.onlineathens.com/health/20...cleveland-clinic-to-cut-300m-warns-of-layoffs
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/18/us-usa-health-clevelandclinic-idUSBRE98H14V20130918
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...-Clinic-to-lay-off-thousands-due-to-Obamacare
http://benswann.com/prestigious-cleveland-clinic-cuts-300m-layoffs-loom-citing-obamacare/
http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/09/1...w-pitch-fire-thousands-cut-330-million-citing
http://www.trendolizer.com/2013/09/...-cuts-300m-layoffs-loom-citing-obamacare.html
There is nothing I enjoy more than watching wytchey go twitchey from facts - just meltdown after meltdown because her blind beliefs take a sledgehammer to the face from facts. Now come on wytchey, find us a "salon.com" article which says this never happened...
