To defeat death.in my faith we recite the Apostle's Creed. It says, in part, Christ was crucified, dead and buried. He descended into hell.
My question is; why did He descend into hell? What was the purpose?
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To defeat death.in my faith we recite the Apostle's Creed. It says, in part, Christ was crucified, dead and buried. He descended into hell.
My question is; why did He descend into hell? What was the purpose?
He had already defeated sin.Jesus went to hell for a bit because that’s where the party’s at
Of course. If you want to defeat sin, you have to go where all the sinners are.
Did Jesus descend into hell?
Do the apostles know what is written in the Apostles' Creed?
You were never a Christian. There is no such thing as a former Christian.I'm no longer a Christian but was for many years and my guess is that it was to put Satan on notice. Just a guess.
The Apostles' Creed is irrelevant. The Scriptures do not say that Christ went to some place called hell.Did Jesus descend into hell?
Do the apostles know what is written in the Apostles' Creed?
Yes and no. From very early Church writings we know that the Rules of Faith were said by a person being baptized. Our very first copy of these date to 341 A.D., but these rules of faith are mentioned in other places by 140 A.D., most much earlier. The original Apostles Creed reads as follows (341 A.D version with those early rules of faith):
I believe in God the Father Almighty. And in Jesus Christ His only (begotten) Son our Lord, who was born of the Holy Ghost and the Virgin Mary; crucified under Pontius Pilate, and buried; the third day He rose from the dead; He ascended into heaven, and sitteth at the right hand of the Father, from thence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead. And in the Holy Ghost; the holy Church; the forgiveness of sins; the resurrection of the body; the life everlasting.
It was expanded and clarified ten to twenty-five years later to its current form because of the Gnostic heresies that were sprouting up.
Did the Apostles know this Creed? Probably not as a creed, but possibly as part of early Christian baptism ceremonies.
The Apostles' Creed is irrelevant. The Scriptures do not say that Christ went to some place called hell.
No descension; no purpose.
I said Christ didn't descend. I believe the Bible before any creed.The Apostles' Creed is irrelevant. The Scriptures do not say that Christ went to some place called hell.
No descension; no purpose.
Then you hold the belief that when someone dies, they lose all consciousness?
I said Christ didn't descend. I believe the Bible before any creed.
Aware of what?I said Christ didn't descend. I believe the Bible before any creed.
What did he do, then? Was he aware or was he not? Or, is it the figure of speech to which you object?
(The figure of speech at the time is that people descend into death, they don't rise into it.)
The Apostles' Creed is irrelevant. The Scriptures do not say that Christ went to some place called hell.Did Jesus descend into hell?
Do the apostles know what is written in the Apostles' Creed?
Yes and no. From very early Church writings we know that the Rules of Faith were said by a person being baptized. Our very first copy of these date to 341 A.D., but these rules of faith are mentioned in other places by 140 A.D., most much earlier. The original Apostles Creed reads as follows (341 A.D version with those early rules of faith):
I believe in God the Father Almighty. And in Jesus Christ His only (begotten) Son our Lord, who was born of the Holy Ghost and the Virgin Mary; crucified under Pontius Pilate, and buried; the third day He rose from the dead; He ascended into heaven, and sitteth at the right hand of the Father, from thence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead. And in the Holy Ghost; the holy Church; the forgiveness of sins; the resurrection of the body; the life everlasting.
It was expanded and clarified ten to twenty-five years later to its current form because of the Gnostic heresies that were sprouting up.
Did the Apostles know this Creed? Probably not as a creed, but possibly as part of early Christian baptism ceremonies.
No descension; no purpose.
You were never a Christian. There is no such thing as a former Christian.I'm no longer a Christian but was for many years and my guess is that it was to put Satan on notice. Just a guess.
And there it is. I was wondering if someone would chime in with that old "You were never a Christian" gem.
The only thing required to become a Christian is that you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior, correct? That's what I was told and no Christian I ever knew told me different. So when I accepted Jesus all those years ago, my Christian friends rejoiced, called me a Christian and welcomed me to the fold. Were they wrong? If they were wrong then, that means that any of the Christians you call Christian today may not actually be one.
The Apostles' Creed is irrelevant. The Scriptures do not say that Christ went to some place called hell.Did Jesus descend into hell?
Do the apostles know what is written in the Apostles' Creed?
Yes and no. From very early Church writings we know that the Rules of Faith were said by a person being baptized. Our very first copy of these date to 341 A.D., but these rules of faith are mentioned in other places by 140 A.D., most much earlier. The original Apostles Creed reads as follows (341 A.D version with those early rules of faith):
I believe in God the Father Almighty. And in Jesus Christ His only (begotten) Son our Lord, who was born of the Holy Ghost and the Virgin Mary; crucified under Pontius Pilate, and buried; the third day He rose from the dead; He ascended into heaven, and sitteth at the right hand of the Father, from thence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead. And in the Holy Ghost; the holy Church; the forgiveness of sins; the resurrection of the body; the life everlasting.
It was expanded and clarified ten to twenty-five years later to its current form because of the Gnostic heresies that were sprouting up.
Did the Apostles know this Creed? Probably not as a creed, but possibly as part of early Christian baptism ceremonies.
No descension; no purpose.You were never a Christian. There is no such thing as a former Christian.I'm no longer a Christian but was for many years and my guess is that it was to put Satan on notice. Just a guess.
And there it is. I was wondering if someone would chime in with that old "You were never a Christian" gem.
The only thing required to become a Christian is that you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior, correct? That's what I was told and no Christian I ever knew told me different. So when I accepted Jesus all those years ago, my Christian friends rejoiced, called me a Christian and welcomed me to the fold. Were they wrong? If they were wrong then, that means that any of the Christians you call Christian today may not actually be one.
Confess with your mouth and believe in your heart.
Aware of what?I said Christ didn't descend. I believe the Bible before any creed.
What did he do, then? Was he aware or was he not? Or, is it the figure of speech to which you object?
(The figure of speech at the time is that people descend into death, they don't rise into it.)
What figure of speech?
I know what the Bible (and how it says it). I don't care about any creed that embellishes. Not even if it's Catholic.
In order to defeat Satan and to gain redemption of mankind, Jesus had to die on the cross.
The Apostles' Creed is irrelevant. The Scriptures do not say that Christ went to some place called hell.Did Jesus descend into hell?
Do the apostles know what is written in the Apostles' Creed?
Yes and no. From very early Church writings we know that the Rules of Faith were said by a person being baptized. Our very first copy of these date to 341 A.D., but these rules of faith are mentioned in other places by 140 A.D., most much earlier. The original Apostles Creed reads as follows (341 A.D version with those early rules of faith):
I believe in God the Father Almighty. And in Jesus Christ His only (begotten) Son our Lord, who was born of the Holy Ghost and the Virgin Mary; crucified under Pontius Pilate, and buried; the third day He rose from the dead; He ascended into heaven, and sitteth at the right hand of the Father, from thence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead. And in the Holy Ghost; the holy Church; the forgiveness of sins; the resurrection of the body; the life everlasting.
It was expanded and clarified ten to twenty-five years later to its current form because of the Gnostic heresies that were sprouting up.
Did the Apostles know this Creed? Probably not as a creed, but possibly as part of early Christian baptism ceremonies.
No descension; no purpose.You were never a Christian. There is no such thing as a former Christian.I'm no longer a Christian but was for many years and my guess is that it was to put Satan on notice. Just a guess.
And there it is. I was wondering if someone would chime in with that old "You were never a Christian" gem.
The only thing required to become a Christian is that you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior, correct? That's what I was told and no Christian I ever knew told me different. So when I accepted Jesus all those years ago, my Christian friends rejoiced, called me a Christian and welcomed me to the fold. Were they wrong? If they were wrong then, that means that any of the Christians you call Christian today may not actually be one.
Confess with your mouth and believe in your heart.
Who says I didn't?
In order to defeat Satan and to gain redemption of mankind, Jesus had to die on the cross.
But....but... I still see Progressives and Liberals alive and well ?
Evil more prevalent than ever? Was Jesus' death all in vain?
There's a LOT of people walking around that seem to be the body of Satan.....while fewer and fewer the body of Christ.
No judgement....just an observation.
In order to defeat Satan and to gain redemption of mankind, Jesus had to die on the cross.
But....but... I still see Progressives and Liberals alive and well ?
Evil more prevalent than ever? Was Jesus' death all in vain?
There's a LOT of people walking around that seem to be the body of Satan.....while fewer and fewer the body of Christ.
No judgement....just an observation.
The view of the afterlife held by ancient Jews, which can be surmised from passing references throughout the Bible, is that all people, Jews and gentiles, go to a netherworld called Sheol, a deep and dark place in which shadowy spirits called refaim dwell. These could be summoned by the living to answer questions (1 Samuel 28:3–25), though this practice is forbidden (Leviticus 20:27). The ancients seemed to have viewed this fate as final: Like water spilled on the ground, which cannot be recovered, so we must die (2 Samuel 14:14).The Apostles' Creed is irrelevant. The Scriptures do not say that Christ went to some place called hell.Did Jesus descend into hell?
Do the apostles know what is written in the Apostles' Creed?
Yes and no. From very early Church writings we know that the Rules of Faith were said by a person being baptized. Our very first copy of these date to 341 A.D., but these rules of faith are mentioned in other places by 140 A.D., most much earlier. The original Apostles Creed reads as follows (341 A.D version with those early rules of faith):
I believe in God the Father Almighty. And in Jesus Christ His only (begotten) Son our Lord, who was born of the Holy Ghost and the Virgin Mary; crucified under Pontius Pilate, and buried; the third day He rose from the dead; He ascended into heaven, and sitteth at the right hand of the Father, from thence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead. And in the Holy Ghost; the holy Church; the forgiveness of sins; the resurrection of the body; the life everlasting.
It was expanded and clarified ten to twenty-five years later to its current form because of the Gnostic heresies that were sprouting up.
Did the Apostles know this Creed? Probably not as a creed, but possibly as part of early Christian baptism ceremonies.
No descension; no purpose.