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So you're finally admitting that Obama is a single payer supporter?
He has said in the past that he was. So what? Is he pushing in on Congress to put it in the legislation? No, he is not. So, what is your problem?
Post the source that Obama said he was only for a single payer system.
Words have meanings, you try to dodge them, and I stick them back down your mouth.
Post the source that Obama said he was only for a single payer system.
Words have meanings, you try to dodge them, and I stick them back down your mouth.
You truly are showing your stupidity.
1. Obama is LYING that he does not support a single payer system, and
I know there's been a lot of misinformation in this debate, and there are some folks out there who are, frankly, bearing false witness, but I want everyone to know what health insurance reform is all about, the president said."
This statement is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. What's your problem?
Show me the AARP endorsement! Obama said he had it where is it? Is it under Kerry Form 180? Is it under Obama's Birth Certificate?
"I have not said that I was a single-payer supporter." -- Barack Obama on Tuesday, August 11th, 2009 in a town hall meeting in New Hampshire
Who's lying? OBAMA!
Obama is his brother's keeper? Seriously?
I guess he wants all of us to live in a shack in Kenya with no running water and our only use for a light bulb is to bash termites off a mound for our dinner
Kind of hard to do WHEN, he even admitted, when saying he wanted a single payer system, that it would take 15 to 20 years to get there.......this is just a first step.
Oh goodie...another conspiracy theorist! So, knowing full well that he would not be in office in 15-20 years to make sure this evil, dastardly single payer single came to fruition, why would he start it?
2. Obama has changed the debate from Health Care Reform to Health Insurance Reform without batting an eye and that's a really big deal! Which is it and what will it be tomorrow, Health Insurance Form Reform?
What choice will there be when the employers (especially small businesses) start dumping coverage, and citizens are forced to take the government option (with no ability to shop for another plan) by the IRS 2.5% tax?
This statement is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. What's your problem?
Show me the AARP endorsement! Obama said he had it where is it? Is it under Kerry Form 180? Is it under Obama's Birth Certificate?
"I have not said that I was a single-payer supporter." -- Barack Obama on Tuesday, August 11th, 2009 in a town hall meeting in New Hampshire
Who's lying? OBAMA!
There is no AARP endorsement of Obamacare --
yet.
In fairness to President Obama, though, I fear he was guilty of merely announcing it prematurely.
2. Obama has changed the debate from Health Care Reform to Health Insurance Reform without batting an eye and that's a really big deal! Which is it and what will it be tomorrow, Health Insurance Form Reform?
It is a big deal? Good. Please tell me the difference in the discussions.
What choice will there be when the employers (especially small businesses) start dumping coverage, and citizens are forced to take the government option (with no ability to shop for another plan) by the IRS 2.5% tax?
Are you saying the private health insurance companies who have seen 400% profits in the past 20 years cannot compete? Why not?
OK, since this seems beyond your abilities, think of it this way: it's like going from automotive reform to automotive insurance reform.
See the difference?
The employees will then ONLY have the government option.
They are allowed either to keep what they have OR take the government option. NOT find another provider.
OK, since this seems beyond your abilities, think of it this way: it's like going from automotive reform to automotive insurance reform.
See the difference?
You are trying to compare apples and anvils. Obama never set out to change the way doctors perform surgery. He only wanted to ensure that every American could afford the surgery they needed. See the difference?
It was Obama that changed the course of the debate in midstream, he went from telling old ladies to take aspirins instead of having surgery, to now Health Insurance Reform.
The employees will then ONLY have the government option.
This is a lie. There are MANY small isnurance companies out there that these "ex-covered" employees can get health insurance from.
Are you claining that THIS exact statement is in HR 3200 or some other piece of legislation being floated:
They are allowed either to keep what they have OR take the government option. NOT find another provider.
TITLE I--PROTECTIONS AND STANDARDS FOR QUALIFIED HEALTH BENEFITS PLANS
Subtitle A--General Standards
Sec. 101. Requirements reforming health insurance marketplace.
Sec. 102. Protecting the choice to keep current coverage.
SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT COVERAGE.
(a) Grandfathered Health Insurance Coverage Defined- Subject to the succeeding provisions of this section, for purposes of establishing acceptable coverage under this division, the term `grandfathered health insurance coverage' means individual health insurance coverage that is offered and in force and effect before the first day of Y1 if the following conditions are met1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT-
(A) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day of Y1.
(B) DEPENDENT COVERAGE PERMITTED- Subparagraph (A) shall not affect the subsequent enrollment of a dependent of an individual who is covered as of such first day.
(c) Limitation on Individual Health Insurance Coverage-
(1) IN GENERAL- Individual health insurance coverage that is not grandfathered health insurance coverage under subsection (a) may only be offered on or after the first day of Y1 as an Exchange-participating health benefits plan.
(2) SEPARATE, EXCEPTED COVERAGE PERMITTED- Excepted benefits (as defined in section 2791(c) of the Public Health Service Act) are not included within the definition of health insurance coverage. Nothing in paragraph (1) shall prevent the offering, other than through the Health Insurance Exchange, of excepted benefits so long as it is offered and priced separately from health insurance coverage.
The employees will then ONLY have the government option.
This is a lie. There are MANY small isnurance companies out there that these "ex-covered" employees can get health insurance from.
Are you claining that THIS exact statement is in HR 3200 or some other piece of legislation being floated:
HR 3200, hold on
SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT COVERAGE.
(a) Grandfathered Health Insurance Coverage Defined- Subject to the succeeding provisions of this section, for purposes of establishing acceptable coverage under this division, the term `grandfathered health insurance coverage' means individual health insurance coverage that is offered and in force and effect before the first day of Y1 if the following conditions are met
(A) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day of Y1.
(B) DEPENDENT COVERAGE PERMITTED- Subparagraph (A) shall not affect the subsequent enrollment of a dependent of an individual who is covered as of such first day.
(c) Limitation on Individual Health Insurance Coverage-
(1) IN GENERAL- Individual health insurance coverage that is not grandfathered health insurance coverage under subsection (a) may only be offered on or after the first day of Y1 as an Exchange-participating health benefits plan.
(2) SEPARATE, EXCEPTED COVERAGE PERMITTED- Excepted benefits (as defined in section 2791(c) of the Public Health Service Act) are not included within the definition of health insurance coverage. Nothing in paragraph (1) shall prevent the offering, other than through the Health Insurance Exchange, of excepted benefits so long as it is offered and priced separately from health insurance coverage.
