Those Darned Rich Folks

[Maxdeath]

You have got to love the mentally challenged. They talk about how bad it is to have large amounts of wealth. Yet those are the same ones that fund things like hospital expansions, homeless shelters, scholarships, libraries and other public good.

Does it make them terrible because they take the deductions written into the tax laws that those in congress wrote in to save their own wealth?
Even if we stole every last cent from the ten wealthiest people it would only equal a few hundred million dollars.

 

[Toro]

Value Voters support Trump

 

[PoliticalChic]

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Articulate your point in linking to this, and I'll shred it as I did every one of your posts.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What kind of an idiot thinks he has a chance of winning by promising a 97.5% tax rate on billionaires?

Besides some crotchety old curmudgeon socialist, I mean.

Hmm, every time one of you Rumpsters throw out a number it grows and grows each time. The real number is 70% on anything earned in a fiscal year above X million dollars after adjustment. That is the figure that was suggested. Of course, you don't remember when the real figure was 90% for anything over $250,000 do you? It paid for frivolous things like Water Works (dams, city water works, canals, etc.), Interstates, Bridges, Put Men on the Moon, paid for at least 3 wars, and much much more. Today, we can't even afford to fix our bridges or replace the pipes that are eaten up with rust and lead. In order to get an Astronaut onto the Space Station we have to thumb a ride with the Russians. We can't afford to effectively help in major emergencies anymore.

Although this was done by the entertainment world, it hits the nail right on the head.



Can you imagine if any Politician were to say this today? As true as this is, just how long would they exist in the political world if they did. Yes, the Rich paid for most of the really great programs that was created with a little help from everyone else. America WAS the greatest Country in the world. We aren't anymore. We could be again but not by following the losers we see attempting to be leaders today. And this includes Rump.

I didn't make up the 97.5% number, leftard. That's plastered all over the place this morning:

97.5 tax rate Sanders - Bing

Okay, your turn. Get me a direct quote from Bernie that is what he has said. I want it direct from the horses mouth. I know there is a source to that figure somewhere since every one of those are almost word for word. But not one actually quotes Bernie directly. You want to make the claim, give us a Bernie Quote.

And then show me where Bernie has a snowballs chance to be President in any of our lifetimes. Your doomsayer is just that. Makes a nice soundbite but that's about it. Sorry, but I am not a small child and won't lose any sleep over the fear.

These 15 Billionaires Own America's News Media Companies

Of course, it is the 'fake news' the Right hates, not billionaires.



NEXT!

Then why reference “billionaires?”

So you can claim the Right hates wealth.

Clearly false, as you have inadvertently proven.


In every case I pointed out the actual disagreement.


Admit you put your foot in your mouth.

 

[Toro]

Turkey is attacking the Kurds, who were risking their lives for the US just last week..

 

[PoliticalChic]

Value Voters support Trump

Extraneous.


Don't your hands hurt from holding on by your fingernails for so long?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Turkey is attacking the Kurds, who were risking their lives for the US just last week..

1. Of course, that is the mission of government school, owned and operated by Democrats/Progressives.
The Kurd kerfuffle is a case in point.
Trump promised disengagement from the perpetual wars of the Middle East....who complained then?

Now, saving American soldier's lives isn't important.



2. America made promises....in writing.....to the Ukraine, which Hussein didn't choose to fulfill,
....we'd protect them from a Russian invasion if they turned over nuclear weapons....

...and you had no problem with his refusal.....but now you choose to support Marxists and use this move as a cudgel to beat an American President.

On December 5, 1994 the leaders of Ukraine, Russia, Britain and the United States signed a memorandum to provide Ukraine with security assurances in connection with its accession to the NPT as a non-nuclear weapon state.
Nuclear weapons and Ukraine - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine




3. Who, exactly are we there to defend???

A quick trip to Wikipedia:

"The Kurdistan Workers' Party or PKK (Kurdish: Partiya Karkerên Kurdistanê‎[a]) is a Kurdish far-left militant and political organization based in Turkey and Iraq. Since 1984 the PKK has been involved in an armed conflict with the Turkish state (with a two-year cease-fire during 2013–2015), with the initial aim of achieving an independent Kurdish state, later changing it to a demand for equal rights and Kurdish autonomy in Turkey.[16][17][18][19]

The PKK was founded in 1978 in the village of Fis (near Lice) by a group of Kurdish students led by Abdullah Öcalan[20] and 1979 it made its existence known to tthehe public.[21]The PKK's ideology was originally a fusion of revolutionary socialism and Kurdish nationalism, seeking the foundation of an independent Communist state in the region,....

Ideology Kurdish nationalism[1]
Communalism
Democratic confederalism[2]
Libertarian socialism[3]
Jineology
Anti-capitalism"
Kurdistan Workers' Party - Wikipedia

Just what the Democrat Party stands for, too.




4. "Christian Fighters Abandon Anti-ISIS Kurd Group Because It's Communist
... many of the most motivated Western fighters are Christian crusaders eager to defeat the armies of Muhammad, but they were shocked to learn they'd joined up with a bunch of Kurdish atheist commies to do it:
Christian Fighters Abandon Anti-ISIS Kurd Group Because It's Communist

 

[Toro]

What kind of an idiot thinks he has a chance of winning by promising a 97.5% tax rate on billionaires?

Besides some crotchety old curmudgeon socialist, I mean.

Hmm, every time one of you Rumpsters throw out a number it grows and grows each time. The real number is 70% on anything earned in a fiscal year above X million dollars after adjustment. That is the figure that was suggested. Of course, you don't remember when the real figure was 90% for anything over $250,000 do you? It paid for frivolous things like Water Works (dams, city water works, canals, etc.), Interstates, Bridges, Put Men on the Moon, paid for at least 3 wars, and much much more. Today, we can't even afford to fix our bridges or replace the pipes that are eaten up with rust and lead. In order to get an Astronaut onto the Space Station we have to thumb a ride with the Russians. We can't afford to effectively help in major emergencies anymore.

Although this was done by the entertainment world, it hits the nail right on the head.



Can you imagine if any Politician were to say this today? As true as this is, just how long would they exist in the political world if they did. Yes, the Rich paid for most of the really great programs that was created with a little help from everyone else. America WAS the greatest Country in the world. We aren't anymore. We could be again but not by following the losers we see attempting to be leaders today. And this includes Rump.

I didn't make up the 97.5% number, leftard. That's plastered all over the place this morning:

97.5 tax rate Sanders - Bing

Okay, your turn. Get me a direct quote from Bernie that is what he has said. I want it direct from the horses mouth. I know there is a source to that figure somewhere since every one of those are almost word for word. But not one actually quotes Bernie directly. You want to make the claim, give us a Bernie Quote.

And then show me where Bernie has a snowballs chance to be President in any of our lifetimes. Your doomsayer is just that. Makes a nice soundbite but that's about it. Sorry, but I am not a small child and won't lose any sleep over the fear.

These 15 Billionaires Own America's News Media Companies

Of course, it is the 'fake news' the Right hates, not billionaires.



NEXT!

Then why reference “billionaires?”

So you can claim the Right hates wealth.

Clearly false, as you have inadvertently proven.


In every case I pointed out the actual disagreement.


Admit you put your foot in your mouth.

You’re not paying attention.

I didn’t say that the right hates wealth. I said there is growing resentment of billionaires on the right. And these links all demonstrate it.

Five years ago, conservatives never mentioned “billionaires” in a negative sense, other than maybe Soros. But now the narrative is that “globalist” billionaires support open borders. So now “billionaire” has become a pejorative for nativist conservatives who are against open immigration. Otherwise, it wouldn’t matter if they were billionaires or not. But these conservatives keep mentioning that they’re billionaires even though their wealth has nothing to do with their social views.

Now I can keep schooling you and posting examples that you asked for if you want.

 

[impuretrash]

You have got to love the mentally challenged. They talk about how bad it is to have large amounts of wealth. Yet those are the same ones that fund things like hospital expansions, homeless shelters, scholarships, libraries and other public good.

Does it make them terrible because they take the deductions written into the tax laws that those in congress wrote in to save their own wealth?
Even if we stole every last cent from the ten wealthiest people it would only equal a few hundred million dollars.

The super rich also finance a lot of unsavory things as well. They're no angels that's for sure and many have nothing but contempt for the things that gives regular people's lives meaning. Amazon has almost single handedly decimated American retail. Tech giants like google and Facebook censor american speech and cowtows to China's communist dictatorship.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Leftists pretend they hate those nasty rich folks….but spend their every waking moment trying to be one….Hillary Clinton, Hunter Biden, et al.




4. But let’s allow the colloquial meaning of ‘rich.’ Rich: having a great deal of money or assets; wealthy.(Google)

Irving Kristol, as editor of ‘Public Interest,’ wrote to professors who had written about the unfairness of income distribution, asking them to write an article as to what a ‘fair distribution’ would be; he has never gotten that article.
Irving Kristol, “Neoconservative: the Autobiography of an Idea,” p. 166


Who are the rich that are so envied, and reviled? Entrepreneurs, small businessmen, corporate executives, doctors, lawyers, just plain Americans…not royalty.

They earned it.
They worked harder, made better life choices....took risks.



5. “Since the end of the Second World War, however, a new ‘ethic’ has come into being, according to which the envious man is perfectly acceptable. Progressively fewer individuals and groups are ashamed of their envy, but instead make out that its existence in their temperaments axiomatically proves the existence of ‘social injustice,’ which must be eliminated for their benefit.”
Helmut Schoeck, “Envy: A Theory of Social Behavior,” p. 179


"...the envious man is perfectly acceptable..." That's the Democrat voter. And they're told to be proud to be envious rather than earners.



Envy is one of those human characteristics which should be held in check. But when 'democracy' looks the other way, and accepts it, it becomes the basis for governmental action.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

What kind of an idiot thinks he has a chance of winning by promising a 97.5% tax rate on billionaires?

Besides some crotchety old curmudgeon socialist, I mean.

Hmm, every time one of you Rumpsters throw out a number it grows and grows each time. The real number is 70% on anything earned in a fiscal year above X million dollars after adjustment. That is the figure that was suggested. Of course, you don't remember when the real figure was 90% for anything over $250,000 do you? It paid for frivolous things like Water Works (dams, city water works, canals, etc.), Interstates, Bridges, Put Men on the Moon, paid for at least 3 wars, and much much more. Today, we can't even afford to fix our bridges or replace the pipes that are eaten up with rust and lead. In order to get an Astronaut onto the Space Station we have to thumb a ride with the Russians. We can't afford to effectively help in major emergencies anymore.

Although this was done by the entertainment world, it hits the nail right on the head.



Can you imagine if any Politician were to say this today? As true as this is, just how long would they exist in the political world if they did. Yes, the Rich paid for most of the really great programs that was created with a little help from everyone else. America WAS the greatest Country in the world. We aren't anymore. We could be again but not by following the losers we see attempting to be leaders today. And this includes Rump.

Oh boy, you Libs are so incredibly dim witted. Screaming that the problem of wealth inequality can be fixed via a new tax schedule is completely inane. Furthermore, Our debt is not a product of waterworks, bridge construction, wars or space travel, or anything YOU mentioned. The debt is a product of the biggest group of spending that you never even mentioned- ENTITLEMENTS, welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, social security, food stamps, etc.

MOST of the kids parents on the school lunch assist program have jobs. MOST of the people using various welfare programs have jobs. MOST...... Almost ALL have jobs. The problem isn't with the welfare of the workers, it's the welfare of the employers. If the Employer can't afford to pay the worker enough so the worker can afford to live on maybe that business shouldn't be in business in the first place. So the Government subsidizes the Employer by giving the worker subsidized income. Meanwhile, the employer buys another home in Malibu, a new Yacht in Florida, a Chalet in Aspen, goes to a nice South Sea Vacation for the 4th time this year. When they raised the minimum wage here a few years ago, they interviewed a person that owned a chain of McDonalds who said it would make it hard to stay in business. He would have to cut costs in his business by laying off people and raising prices. He was at the Air Port headed for his 6th vacation to Hawaii with his Family for the year. Not once did he bring up about cutting back on his luxuries. What's funny now, McDonalds has become a higher than the minimum wage job today due to competition for workers.

You want to slow down on the Entitlements? End Corporate Welfare. But you don't want to talk about that part do you.

 

[Toro]

You have got to love the mentally challenged. They talk about how bad it is to have large amounts of wealth. Yet those are the same ones that fund things like hospital expansions, homeless shelters, scholarships, libraries and other public good.

Does it make them terrible because they take the deductions written into the tax laws that those in congress wrote in to save their own wealth?
Even if we stole every last cent from the ten wealthiest people it would only equal a few hundred million dollars.

The super rich also finance a lot of unsavory things as well. They're no angels that's for sure and many have nothing but contempt for the things that gives regular people's lives meaning. Amazon has almost single handedly decimated American retail. Tech giants like google and Facebook censor american speech and cowtows to China's communist dictatorship.

^^^^^^^^^
See PC. In your own branch.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

What kind of an idiot thinks he has a chance of winning by promising a 97.5% tax rate on billionaires?

Besides some crotchety old curmudgeon socialist, I mean.

Hmm, every time one of you Rumpsters throw out a number it grows and grows each time. The real number is 70% on anything earned in a fiscal year above X million dollars after adjustment. That is the figure that was suggested. Of course, you don't remember when the real figure was 90% for anything over $250,000 do you? It paid for frivolous things like Water Works (dams, city water works, canals, etc.), Interstates, Bridges, Put Men on the Moon, paid for at least 3 wars, and much much more. Today, we can't even afford to fix our bridges or replace the pipes that are eaten up with rust and lead. In order to get an Astronaut onto the Space Station we have to thumb a ride with the Russians. We can't afford to effectively help in major emergencies anymore.

Although this was done by the entertainment world, it hits the nail right on the head.



Can you imagine if any Politician were to say this today? As true as this is, just how long would they exist in the political world if they did. Yes, the Rich paid for most of the really great programs that was created with a little help from everyone else. America WAS the greatest Country in the world. We aren't anymore. We could be again but not by following the losers we see attempting to be leaders today. And this includes Rump.

Oh boy, you Libs are so incredibly dim witted. Screaming that the problem of wealth inequality can be fixed via a new tax schedule is completely inane. Furthermore, Our debt is not a product of waterworks, bridge construction, wars or space travel, or anything YOU mentioned. The debt is a product of the biggest group of spending that you never even mentioned- ENTITLEMENTS, welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, social security, food stamps, etc.

I'd like to see a comparison of the military budget VS welfare programs. We do spend an awful lot on the military.

Since you were to lazy to google it, I will provide it for you. We spend at least 3 times more on mandatory entitlements than we do on military. The military budget is part of the discretionary spending, and is about 15% of the total budget. Mandatory entitlement spending is Near 60% of the total spending, and it will continue to rise. Don’t let anyone tell you the military budget is the cause of the deficit.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What kind of an idiot thinks he has a chance of winning by promising a 97.5% tax rate on billionaires?

Besides some crotchety old curmudgeon socialist, I mean.

Hmm, every time one of you Rumpsters throw out a number it grows and grows each time. The real number is 70% on anything earned in a fiscal year above X million dollars after adjustment. That is the figure that was suggested. Of course, you don't remember when the real figure was 90% for anything over $250,000 do you? It paid for frivolous things like Water Works (dams, city water works, canals, etc.), Interstates, Bridges, Put Men on the Moon, paid for at least 3 wars, and much much more. Today, we can't even afford to fix our bridges or replace the pipes that are eaten up with rust and lead. In order to get an Astronaut onto the Space Station we have to thumb a ride with the Russians. We can't afford to effectively help in major emergencies anymore.

Although this was done by the entertainment world, it hits the nail right on the head.



Can you imagine if any Politician were to say this today? As true as this is, just how long would they exist in the political world if they did. Yes, the Rich paid for most of the really great programs that was created with a little help from everyone else. America WAS the greatest Country in the world. We aren't anymore. We could be again but not by following the losers we see attempting to be leaders today. And this includes Rump.

I didn't make up the 97.5% number, leftard. That's plastered all over the place this morning:

97.5 tax rate Sanders - Bing

Okay, your turn. Get me a direct quote from Bernie that is what he has said. I want it direct from the horses mouth. I know there is a source to that figure somewhere since every one of those are almost word for word. But not one actually quotes Bernie directly. You want to make the claim, give us a Bernie Quote.

And then show me where Bernie has a snowballs chance to be President in any of our lifetimes. Your doomsayer is just that. Makes a nice soundbite but that's about it. Sorry, but I am not a small child and won't lose any sleep over the fear.

These 15 Billionaires Own America's News Media Companies

Of course, it is the 'fake news' the Right hates, not billionaires.



NEXT!

Then why reference “billionaires?”

So you can claim the Right hates wealth.

Clearly false, as you have inadvertently proven.


In every case I pointed out the actual disagreement.


Admit you put your foot in your mouth.

You’re not paying attention.

I didn’t say that the right hates wealth. I said there is growing resentment of billionaires on the right. And these links all demonstrate it.

Five years ago, conservatives never mentioned “billionaires” in a negative sense, other than maybe Soros. But now the narrative is that “globalist” billionaires support open borders. So now “billionaire” has become a pejorative for nativist conservatives who are against open immigration. Otherwise, it wouldn’t matter if they were billionaires or not. But these conservatives keep mentioning that they’re billionaires even though their wealth has nothing to do with their social views.

Now I can keep schooling you and posting examples that you asked for if you want.

Actually....I am right.


"I didn’t say that the right hates wealth. I said there is growing resentment of billionaires on the right."

A distinction without a difference.




You remind me of nothing so much as Confederate General Wise, chased by Union General Cox, referring to his retreat a 'retrograde movement' of his troops.
Nice retrograde movement, there.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

What kind of an idiot thinks he has a chance of winning by promising a 97.5% tax rate on billionaires?

Besides some crotchety old curmudgeon socialist, I mean.

Hmm, every time one of you Rumpsters throw out a number it grows and grows each time. The real number is 70% on anything earned in a fiscal year above X million dollars after adjustment. That is the figure that was suggested. Of course, you don't remember when the real figure was 90% for anything over $250,000 do you? It paid for frivolous things like Water Works (dams, city water works, canals, etc.), Interstates, Bridges, Put Men on the Moon, paid for at least 3 wars, and much much more. Today, we can't even afford to fix our bridges or replace the pipes that are eaten up with rust and lead. In order to get an Astronaut onto the Space Station we have to thumb a ride with the Russians. We can't afford to effectively help in major emergencies anymore.

Although this was done by the entertainment world, it hits the nail right on the head.



Can you imagine if any Politician were to say this today? As true as this is, just how long would they exist in the political world if they did. Yes, the Rich paid for most of the really great programs that was created with a little help from everyone else. America WAS the greatest Country in the world. We aren't anymore. We could be again but not by following the losers we see attempting to be leaders today. And this includes Rump.

Oh boy, you Libs are so incredibly dim witted. Screaming that the problem of wealth inequality can be fixed via a new tax schedule is completely inane. Furthermore, Our debt is not a product of waterworks, bridge construction, wars or space travel, or anything YOU mentioned. The debt is a product of the biggest group of spending that you never even mentioned- ENTITLEMENTS, welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, social security, food stamps, etc.

MOST of the kids parents on the school lunch assist program have jobs. MOST of the people using various welfare programs have jobs. MOST...... Almost ALL have jobs. The problem isn't with the welfare of the workers, it's the welfare of the employers. If the Employer can't afford to pay the worker enough so the worker can afford to live on maybe that business shouldn't be in business in the first place. So the Government subsidizes the Employer by giving the worker subsidized income. Meanwhile, the employer buys another home in Malibu, a new Yacht in Florida, a Chalet in Aspen, goes to a nice South Sea Vacation for the 4th time this year. When they raised the minimum wage here a few years ago, they interviewed a person that owned a chain of McDonalds who said it would make it hard to stay in business. He would have to cut costs in his business by laying off people and raising prices. He was at the Air Port headed for his 6th vacation to Hawaii with his Family for the year. Not once did he bring up about cutting back on his luxuries. What's funny now, McDonalds has become a higher than the minimum wage job today due to competition for workers.

You want to slow down on the Entitlements? End Corporate Welfare. But you don't want to talk about that part do you.

You made a bunch of assertions, you provided ZERO links to support any of them, and you are just plain stupid. Other than that, good post.

 

[jc456]

well, I just will say one thing, if the demofks hate their money so much, give it all away. Stand up and do the right thing. Anyone not asking them to that is a loser.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

What kind of an idiot thinks he has a chance of winning by promising a 97.5% tax rate on billionaires?

Besides some crotchety old curmudgeon socialist, I mean.

Hmm, every time one of you Rumpsters throw out a number it grows and grows each time. The real number is 70% on anything earned in a fiscal year above X million dollars after adjustment. That is the figure that was suggested. Of course, you don't remember when the real figure was 90% for anything over $250,000 do you? It paid for frivolous things like Water Works (dams, city water works, canals, etc.), Interstates, Bridges, Put Men on the Moon, paid for at least 3 wars, and much much more. Today, we can't even afford to fix our bridges or replace the pipes that are eaten up with rust and lead. In order to get an Astronaut onto the Space Station we have to thumb a ride with the Russians. We can't afford to effectively help in major emergencies anymore.

Although this was done by the entertainment world, it hits the nail right on the head.



Can you imagine if any Politician were to say this today? As true as this is, just how long would they exist in the political world if they did. Yes, the Rich paid for most of the really great programs that was created with a little help from everyone else. America WAS the greatest Country in the world. We aren't anymore. We could be again but not by following the losers we see attempting to be leaders today. And this includes Rump.

Oh boy, you Libs are so incredibly dim witted. Screaming that the problem of wealth inequality can be fixed via a new tax schedule is completely inane. Furthermore, Our debt is not a product of waterworks, bridge construction, wars or space travel, or anything YOU mentioned. The debt is a product of the biggest group of spending that you never even mentioned- ENTITLEMENTS, welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, social security, food stamps, etc.

I'd like to see a comparison of the military budget VS welfare programs. We do spend an awful lot on the military.

Since you were to lazy to google it, I will provide it for you. We spend at least 3 times more on mandatory entitlements than we do on military. The military budget is part of the discretionary spending, and is about 15% of the total budget. Mandatory entitlement spending is Near 60% of the total spending, and it will continue to rise. Don’t let anyone tell you the military budget is the cause of the deficit.

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You can take out the 38% for SSI and Medicare. I paid for those for over 50 years and I still pay into it even after I receive the benefits. Those aren't "Benefits". That's my money. I paid for it. That's not the Governments money. It's not Tax Money. It's supposed to be like a trust fund. Now, redo your figures using real data instead of the baked figures.

 

[Rustic]

Seems like there’s lots of resentment towards “billionaires” on the right these days, too.

Lol
And the funny thing is, generally people are at the station in life they deserve…

I have never been able to understand envy, It always had seems so silly to me. What does what someone else has have to do with me?

Worse yet, using the biggest monopoly ever to exist(the federal government) To redistribute? Now that’s a fuck up even a child can see...

 

[jc456]

Seems like there’s lots of resentment towards “billionaires” on the right these days, too.

there is? Me thinks you're mistaken, but naw, I know you are. you can't/ won't prove that statement.

 

[Rustic]

Seems like there’s lots of resentment towards “billionaires” on the right these days, too.

Part of what made the ‘debate’ last night such a performance art joke was the pretense of a bunch of rich people competing to sound like the one who resents rich people the most in their quest to win a job that would make them richer.

Yep,
Progressivism/socialism is all about control and hypocrisy.