THey aren't gonna take your guns

[LordBrownTrout]

Picked up an R 700 yesterday, .308

Very nice!!

 

[Quantum Windbag]

So basically you are trying to ban them over time.

A manufacture ban is a ban, no matter how you try to spin it.

Of course they will still be manufactured for the agents of the state, so what it really is is a sales ban.

How can gun rights people trust gun control people when you have to lie every time you make a statement?

A manufacture ban is a manufacture ban. That's not "spin" that's literally what it is.

Wasn't Ronnie Raygun President when they stopped making new, fully auto machine guns for the general public? Ronnie Raaygun, Gun Taker Awayer.

In order for that to be true you would have to prove civilians cannot own fully automatic weapons.

Since they can, I would have to say the answer to your idiotic question is no.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The assault weapons ban is on the manufacture of assault weapons for civilian use. If you already have one, you're allowed to keep it. If you don't have one and want one, you'll be allowed to buy one on the market provided it was legal when manufactured (during a period with no ban and otherwise legal). The ban is only on the manufacture.

At least, that is the ban that expired in 2004.

I'm pretty sure Congress has the authority to regulate commerce.

i didn't realize we replaced the stars and stripes with a hammer and sickle

I didn't realize they let the mentally challenged 5 year children of hookers post on here.

You didn't realize they let you post?

 

[Warrior102]

If someone wants to take my guns - come on over and give it a try.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Continuing on with my previous thought because I have nothing better to do...

If I tell you a story about a dog that attacked and chewed a toddler to death in a public park, this would obviously horrify you.

And despite the fact I have NOT told you what kind of dog it was, you have an image of a very specific type of dog in your mind. A Rottweiler or a pit bull or some other large breed made infamous by Hollywood and the media.

But this story about the kid killed by a vicious dog has gripped the national psyche and a great hue and cry has gone up to ban "attack dogs".

Why "attack dogs" and not dogs in general? Because dog haters know that support for a ban on all dogs would die an instant death. So a tactic of incrementalism must be taken.

Heretofore, the definition of "attack dog" did not specify a breed. It specified the behavior of an attack dog.

But now the legal community includes breeds of dogs in a legal definition of "attack dog", and this is when the law becomes entirely capricious.

Just so with "assault rifle". I say "assault rifle" and you have an image in your mind based on what has been made infamous by Hollywood and the media. And now a great hue and cry has gone up to ban "assault rifles".

Why not guns in general? Because gun haters know that support for a total gun ban would die an instant death. So the incrementalist tactic is deployed.

But we know the ultimate goal is a ban on all guns. We know this because of the underlying conversation about guns being only for state militias, laying the foundation for a much larger and wider scope of future bans after the next tragedy.
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So while they ar not going to take the guns you already have, they are going to make it harder and harder for future generations to acquire them.

Excellent points. An AR, .223, is slightly more powerful that a. 22. Yet, the media and the gun control crowd are fixated on the term assault rifle....and it isn't even remotely close to the power of a 300 win mag, .338, m1 garand, .308 and so on. Its quite scary listening to the media and their complete ineptitude on almost all subject matter.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

You're a retard.

No jackass, you're a retard. Tell me, what is an "assault" rifle, eh? You don't know. You haven't even the first clue. So let me tell you....An "assault" rifle is a rifle that is capable of automatic fire. So please tell me....give me one example of an automatic rifle that can be readily found in the hands of US civilians, either legally or illegally. You can't. Because they aren't out there. A semiautomatic rifle is NOT an assault rifle. Now shut up, you uninformed idiot.

"Assault rifle" is a legal term. So an "assault rifle" is whatever the law says it is.

If our politicians decide a stripped down semi-automatic AR-15 is not an assault rifle, and an AR-15 with a flash suppressor is an assault rifle, then that is just the way it is.

It's an invention of the law. Like someone being killed "execution-style" is an invention of the media. It is whatever they decide it is.

Because of this ridiculous legal ambiguity, the words "assault rifle" conjure up different images in the minds of the perceivers, much the way the word "dog" does.

There are states that passed laws making pi equal to three. The universe, being the contrary thing it is, refused to cooperate, and pi is still 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510
582097494459230781640628620899862803482534211706798
214808651328230664709384460955058223172535940812848
11174502841027019385211055596446229489549303819 ad infinitum.

Get the point?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Picked up an R 700 yesterday, .308

congrats.. I hope it jams and explodes.

It wont. The quality and craftsmanship is supreme.

 

[Darkwind]

The OP's subject line is correct.

They WILL NOT take My guns.

 

[racewright]

live on Long Island--mr Cumo's state.
I just came in from the garage,was cleaning some surface rust from my 30 round clip for my SKS. Haven't seen it for about 5 years. I have a extra room on my home that both me and my wife keep our guns in.
Kids are gone for the past years but ya never know when the grand kids will show up so we keep this room locked but a 12 guage double barrel is under my bed on my side and the shells are in my dresser--top draw and I can get to them in the dark.

Wife is from Brooklyn and is a better shot than me. I have two expert badges one for m14, another for m16 oh yea 67--68 Vietnam Army in case you were wondering if I have had any weapon training. Also have several combats ribbons--but we won't get into that.
I showed my wife how to shoot but guess what she is a favorite at the rifle range -- why- cause although she never shot a gun before she met me she seen guns all the time when growing up in Brookly and has no fear of them as she heard and saw them fire on a regular basis, gang bangers in bet sti.
What ya think were the gang bangers braking any gun laws in New York City.

There is more to the goverments plans then just protecting people from gun violence--they have had many years to do this--not what they want,,,Like Hitler we now have a goverment that wants total control and will use there brainwashed followers to try and do
this--the gun is the only thing keeping you free and not the weaklings that wish to take them away--gonna clean my wifes 9 mill semi auto as it might be closer than we think that we might have to use them (Mr Cumo ya see) Ya see I took an oath in 1966 to defend against all enemies both foreign and domestic---you are the domestic part now so give it a try wont ya.

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[GuyPinestra]

So basically you are trying to ban them over time.

A manufacture ban is a ban, no matter how you try to spin it.

Of course they will still be manufactured for the agents of the state, so what it really is is a sales ban.

How can gun rights people trust gun control people when you have to lie every time you make a statement?

A manufacture ban is a manufacture ban. That's not "spin" that's literally what it is.

Wasn't Ronnie Raygun President when they stopped making new, fully auto machine guns for the general public? Ronnie Raaygun, Gun Taker Awayer.

In 1934? National Firearms Act?

Wasn't FDR President then?

Or do you mean 1968? Gun Control Act of 1968?

I think LBJ signed that one.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

An important update on gun manufacturers mysteriously being murdered.

Please read and mass email on your own list. Thanks. - Jeremiah




(NaturalNews) What you are about to read is astonishing. I'm not even sure what's the right conclusion to draw from it. But here's what we know so far:

John Noveske is one of the most celebrated battle rifle manufacturers in America. His rifles, found at Noveske Rifleworks, LLC. are widely recognized as some of the finest pieces of American-made hardware ever created. (I own one of his rifles, and it's a masterpiece of a machine that just keeps on running.) Sadly, John Noveske was killed in a mysterious car crash just a few days ago, on January 4, 2013.

According to the Outdoor Wire, his car "traveled across the oncoming lane onto the dirt highway shoulder until it struck two large boulders. The vehicle rolled and Mr. Noveske was ejected."

But barely a week before this incident, John Noveske posted a lengthy, detailed post on Facebook that listed all the school shootings tied to psychiatric drugs. At the end of the post, he asked, "What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on?"

That was the last post he ever made. (Full text below.)


Mysterious death during gun control debate raises questions
John Noveske wasn't the first prominent gun rights supporter to be killed in the last few days. Keith Ratliff, the creator of a super-popular YouTube channel featuring videos of exotic weapons, was also recently found dead.

The Daily Mail reports that Ratliff was "discovered on a rural road in Carnesville, Georgia. Ratliff had a single gunshot wound the head and police are treating his death as a homicide."

Someone murdered Ratliff, in other words, and it had to be someone with the ability to get close enough to Ratliff to take him out without warning.

Beyond these two shootings, the widely-discredited CNN journalist Piers Morgan, wanted for questioning in Britain's Daily Mirror phone hacking scandal, invited guests onto his show who threatened Alex Jones' children and laughed about the idea of Piers Morgan shooting Alex Jones with an AR-15.

That astonishing video interview is available at:
www.infowars.com/veiled-threat-piers-morgan-guest-says-shoot-alex-jon...

Steve Quayle, creator of SteveQuayle.com, says "the red list is on!" This refers to the so-called "red list" -- a secret kill list of Americans authorized by Obama and designed to be invoked immediately before an attempted radical leftist takeover of the nation. In support of this theory, Obama himself actually signed into law the NDAA which authorizes secret assassinations of U.S. citizens on U.S. soil.

Instead of the red list being "conspiracy theory," it appears to be a key component of Obama's domestic policy.


Beyond coincidence: Pieces of the puzzle rapidly coming together
Sure, a car crash involving John Noveske could be a coincidence. It could also be a coincidence that no video footage has been released from Sandy Hook showing Adam Lanza carrying any rifle whatsoever.

It might also be a coincidence that Dianne Feinstein just happened to have her detailed gun confiscation bill ready to release immediately following the Sandy Hook shooting.

It might also be a total coincidence that according to Google.com, the United Way Sandy Hook donation support page was created on December 11, 2012 -- a full three days before the shooting took place.

It could also be a total coincidence that NBC News reported Adam Lanza's AR-15 rifle was left in his car and was never used in the shooting at all.

I suppose it could be a coincidence that Bank of America slammed home an economic embargo against an online gun parts retailer in the days following the Sandy Hook shooting.

And it could be coincidence that Facebook suspended or shut down the accounts of hundreds of prominent people who advocated the Second Amendment, including our account here at Natural News.

And finally, it could be a total coincidence that police radio recordings seem to indicate there were multiple shooters involved in Sandy Hook.

But what are the odds of ALL of these coincidences existing simultaneously? Those odds are virtually zero.

Something's fishy with all this. It's becoming increasingly apparent that an order has come down from the very top to destroy, silence, threaten or execute true American patriots. Steve Quayle has long predicted this would be the very first step before foreign troops are unleashed on American soil to take over the country and deliver it, just as Obama has always planned, into the hands of the globalist crime syndicate.

It all sounds outrageous, I admit, and I'm not even sure what to believe myself. But it's becoming more difficult by the day to deny actual events happening right before our eyes. Believe what you will, but don't be surprised if people like Steve Quayle and Alex Jones were right all along. If we see any more mysterious deaths of prominent gun advocates, it going to raise huge red flags across the patriot community.


Read John Noveske's last Facebook post
This is the last post John Noveske made on his Facebook page before he was killed:

Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold's medical records have never been made available to the public.

Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.

Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.

Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.

Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.

Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.

Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.

Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.

A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.

Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..

A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.

Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.

TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.

Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.

James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.

Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania

Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California

Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.

Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.

Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic's file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.

Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.

Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.

Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.

Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.

Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family's Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.

Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara's parents said ".... the damn doctor wouldn't take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil...")

Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,
(Gareth's father could not accept his son's death and killed himself.)

Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family's detached garage.

Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.

Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.

Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.

A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.

Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and "other drugs for the conditions."

Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.

Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.

Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.
Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.

Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his
New York high school.

Missing from list... 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds....

What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21...... killed 6 people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, Az

What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24..... killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado

What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed 2 injured 1, Clackamas Or

What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown Ct
Roberts is the only one that I haven't heard about being on drugs of some kind.
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[Dont Taz Me Bro]

The assault weapons ban is on the manufacture of assault weapons for civilian use. If you already have one, you're allowed to keep it. If you don't have one and want one, you'll be allowed to buy one on the market provided it was legal when manufactured (during a period with no ban and otherwise legal). The ban is only on the manufacture.

At least, that is the ban that expired in 2004.

I'm pretty sure Congress has the authority to regulate commerce.

I'm pretty sure they don't have the authority to violate the Second Amendment.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Steve Quayle, creator of SteveQuayle.com, says "the red list is on!" This refers to the so-called "red list" -- a secret kill list of Americans authorized by Obama and designed to be invoked immediately before an attempted radical leftist takeover of the nation. In support of this theory, Obama himself actually signed into law the NDAA which authorizes secret assassinations of U.S. citizens on U.S. soil.

Oh fuck off, will you? Every administration the nut jobs on the other side of the aisle start conspiring about these alleged kill lists that exist. The left did it with Bush, you nut jobs did it with Clinton, and so on and so on. Stop being so damn gullible and start thinking for yourself.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

They aren't gonna take your guns

You say this like it could never happen and yet ironically you live in the very city where it did just a few years back.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The assault weapons ban is on the manufacture of assault weapons for civilian use. If you already have one, you're allowed to keep it. If you don't have one and want one, you'll be allowed to buy one on the market provided it was legal when manufactured (during a period with no ban and otherwise legal). The ban is only on the manufacture.

At least, that is the ban that expired in 2004.

I'm pretty sure Congress has the authority to regulate commerce.

It does.

However there are limits to that authority.

A new AWB might run afoul of the Commerce Clause exception found in US v Lopez (1995), which also addressed regulating firearms.

 

[OODA_Loop]

and the common use test in Heller vs DC

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The assault weapons ban is on the manufacture of assault weapons for civilian use. If you already have one, you're allowed to keep it. If you don't have one and want one, you'll be allowed to buy one on the market provided it was legal when manufactured (during a period with no ban and otherwise legal). The ban is only on the manufacture.

At least, that is the ban that expired in 2004.

I'm pretty sure Congress has the authority to regulate commerce.

I'm pretty sure they don't have the authority to violate the Second Amendment.

Assuming such a ban goes into effect, which won’t happen, it would depend on whether the Court designates firearms subject to the ban ‘in common use at the time,’ as with handguns in Heller.

If, however, the Court rules firearms subject to the ban are ‘dangerous and unusual,’ then ownership of such guns is not protected by the Second Amendment.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

and the common use test in Heller vs DC

The issue in Lopez didn’t address the Second Amendment, but whether banning guns in school zones constituted ‘commerce,’ which the Court ruled it did not. Congress amended the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990 to remove that which was offensive to the Constitution; renamed the Federal Gun Free School Zones Act, guns currently remain prohibited from school zones.

 

[Spoonman]

Picked up an R 700 yesterday, .308

congrats.. I hope it jams and explodes.

yea, not this gun bro.

 

[Spoonman]

Picked up an R 700 yesterday, .308

Very nice!!

damn this thing is accurate. I am very pleased