The U.S. NOT founded upon Christianity

[uscitizen]

cherrypicking to build the proper(your) image of Jesus?

You'd be amazed at how many actually do....

Or....maybe you wouldn't be amazed...

At least the skintone is closer to what a semitic arab would have looked like.
Unlike the ones presented to christians in America.

Just think you love and worship an arab as god.

 

[LuckyDan]

What countries did outlaw slavery by the 18th century? Were there any such countries at the time of our founding?

Quite a few.

Abolition of slavery timeline - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

By that Wiki list, it appears the following countries had outlawed slavery by 1776:

Iceland
Norway
France (sorta - can't really tell what exactly Louis 5 did)
Sweden
Ragusa (Croatia)
Polish Lithuania
Chile (via Spain)
Russia
Portugal
England
Scotland

 

[Charles_Main]

Why are Liberals so bound and determined to prove America was not founded on Religious Ideal at all. We have complete religious freedom in this country. What is the big deal if some of our core beliefs, Like the idea that all men are created equal(under god or not) and that you should not kill, or steal or Rape your own kids, Where inspired by Judeo/Christian Core values or not. They are still good Ideas are they not?

We did not come to America to escape religion, we came here to be able to worship in the way we wanted, if at all. We Came here because of the promise that we were all equal under god.

The only Direct mention of Religion in the constitution says. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof "

Now Common sense interpretation of that sentence tells me it is saying that congress can not establish a state religion or pass any law restricting your right to worship as you please. The fact that you Left wing God Hating wackos try and say it means you can't have Christan references on our money, or on the wall in a Federal Building or our in the yard. Are warping the intent of the constitution For what? Are you really being oppressed by seeing it? Are you really being religiously oppressed when you hear that the US was founded on Christian Values, or that it is one Nation, UNDER GOD? I just do not get it. I don't even believe in god, and I can not see peoples problem with all this. It makes me laugh, Because we all know. Years from now on their Death Bed. They will all say a little prayer. Just in case. Fuck I know I will.

lol

Get the hell over it.

 

[pinqy]

What countries did outlaw slavery by the 18th century? Were there any such countries at the time of our founding?

Quite a few.

Abolition of slavery timeline - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

By that Wiki list, it appears the following countries had outlawed slavery by 1776:

Iceland
Norway
France (sorta - can't really tell what exactly Louis 5 did)
Sweden
Ragusa (Croatia)
Polish Lithuania
Chile (via Spain)
Russia
Portugal
England
Scotland

Russia abolished slavery by 1723, but that's mostly semantics as the slaves were simply converted into serfs. There's little practical difference...slaves are private property, to be bought and sold at the discretion of the owner, while serfs are bound to the land and have greater restrictions on the sale of serfs. But for all practical purposes, serfs are no more free than slaves. Serfdom was not ended in Russia until the 1860's.

 

[rightwinger]

Why are Liberals so bound and determined to prove America was not founded on Religious Ideal at all. We have complete religious freedom in this country. What is the big deal if some of our core beliefs, Like the idea that all men are created equal(under god or not) and that you should not kill, or steal or Rape your own kids, Where inspired by Judeo/Christian Core values or not. They are still good Ideas are they not?

All men were not created equal in the Bible....slavery was openly accepted. As a matter of fact, when God passed down the Ten Comandments, he intentionally left slavery off the list

We do not need Christian (Jewish actually) values to know that killing, stealing and raping children is wrong. All societies have these values

If we are founded on Christian values, why are laws against having other gods, idol worshipping, keeping holy the sabbath, using the lords name in vain and coveting all considered to be unconstitutional?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Why are Liberals so bound and determined to prove America was not founded on Religious Ideal at all. We have complete religious freedom in this country. What is the big deal if some of our core beliefs, Like the idea that all men are created equal(under god or not) and that you should not kill, or steal or Rape your own kids, Where inspired by Judeo/Christian Core values or not. They are still good Ideas are they not?

All men were not created equal in the Bible....slavery was openly accepted. As a matter of fact, when God passed down the Ten Comandments, he intentionally left slavery off the list

We do not need Christian (Jewish actually) values to know that killing, stealing and raping children is wrong. All societies have these values

If we are founded on Christian values, why are laws against having other gods, idol worshipping, keeping holy the sabbath, using the lords name in vain and coveting all considered to be unconstitutional?

I think you're wrong because muslims have no problem with the rape of a child.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The simple fact is had they tried to address Slavery at that time. America would never have been a Nation. Period, Many of the founders, even ones who owned slaves. Expressed their desire to see the institution die, but they were realist, and lived in the real world, and knew they could not create a nation if they alienated half the states from the get go.

In their wisdom however as Jack said they did create a way for future generations to put an end to it.

The Constitution only ended slavery if you believe and acknowledge that it was constitutional for Lincoln and the Union to forcibly 'veto' secession.

*smells desperation*

Apparently you're unfamiliar with the throngs of rightwingers, including many here, who think secession was (and is) constitutionally legal.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The Constitution only ended slavery if you believe and acknowledge that it was constitutional for Lincoln and the Union to forcibly 'veto' secession.

*smells desperation*

Apparently you're unfamiliar with the throngs of rightwingers, including many here, who think secession was (and is) constitutionally legal.

Its not? show mne where it states that secession is illegal. I will give you this much, in the North Carolina State Constitution secession is forbidden.

 

[dilloduck]

The Constitution only ended slavery if you believe and acknowledge that it was constitutional for Lincoln and the Union to forcibly 'veto' secession.

*smells desperation*

Apparently you're unfamiliar with the throngs of rightwingers, including many here, who think secession was (and is) constitutionally legal.

Since the OP was about religion and the founding of America, the constituionality of slavery is of no consequence to me at this time. It was pretty well well established that while the may not have been Christian in the strictest of definitions they certainly were men who believed in God.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The simple fact is had they tried to address Slavery at that time. America would never have been a Nation. Period, Many of the founders, even ones who owned slaves. Expressed their desire to see the institution die, but they were realist, and lived in the real world, and knew they could not create a nation if they alienated half the states from the get go.

In their wisdom however as Jack said they did create a way for future generations to put an end to it.

The Constitution only ended slavery if you believe and acknowledge that it was constitutional for Lincoln and the Union to forcibly 'veto' secession.

No one said the Constitution ended slavery, they said the way was provided to bring it to an end through the Constitution.

Take a look at Article V.

The Constitution provides the American people the opportunity to do anything they want, including bringing back slavery, if enough of the American people vote for it. So what was your point, again?

 

[NYcarbineer]

*smells desperation*

Apparently you're unfamiliar with the throngs of rightwingers, including many here, who think secession was (and is) constitutionally legal.

Since the OP was about religion and the founding of America, the constituionality of slavery is of no consequence to me at this time. It was pretty well well established that while the may not have been Christian in the strictest of definitions they certainly were men who believed in God.

Then save your childish smartassery.

The founders may have believed in God, but they weren't gods. This is where rightwingers generally go wrong.

 

[dilloduck]

The Constitution only ended slavery if you believe and acknowledge that it was constitutional for Lincoln and the Union to forcibly 'veto' secession.

No one said the Constitution ended slavery, they said the way was provided to bring it to an end through the Constitution.

Take a look at Article V.

The Constitution provides the American people the opportunity to do anything they want, including bringing back slavery, if enough of the American people vote for it. So what was your point, again?

not exactly-----if our congressmen won't give us an opportunity to vote on a constitutional amendment, we can't do shit.

 

[The T]

No one said the Constitution ended slavery, they said the way was provided to bring it to an end through the Constitution.

Take a look at Article V.

The Constitution provides the American people the opportunity to do anything they want, including bringing back slavery, if enough of the American people vote for it. So what was your point, again?

not exactly-----if our congressmen won't give us an opportunity to vote on a constitutional amendment, we can't do shit.

Exactly. They can make any law they want. If it doesn't pass Constitutional muster? The law is moot...and should be challanged early and often through the Courts just as Obamacare is at present.

 

[hortysir]

Our founding fathers were men of faith. Nuff said

They were less Christian than most of our political leaders today

But behaved more like a Christian should than our current politicians

 

[hortysir]

WADR, are you expecting someone to argue this point?

Has someone said that we were?

Our founders had such a jaded view of Christianity, after being subjects of the Church of England, there is no reason why they would model this country after that standard.

Wrong they did not have a jaded view of Christianity, they had a jaded view of the church of England and Catholic Church. People came here to be able to practice their religion of choice, and the Vast majority of them were Christians of one type or another.

It is pure ignorance to try and pretend the people who founded America were not Christians.

Apologies for omitting the word "organized" when referring to Christianity.

Agreed!

 

[bodecea]

But the founding fathers all agreed freedom is a Christian tenet, and that freedom emanates from God.

What's ironic is that many American slaves turned to evangelical Christianity for sustenance in the 19th century.

Were turned to it...their masters liked the phrase "servants obey your masters".

 

[bodecea]

I'm not quite sure what you mean by your last sentence.

The duty of lawful de jure government is to provide a framework to protect its citizens against aggression, both from within and without.

Problem being right now is that since the onset of the progressive era, gubmint itself has become the greatest aggressor.

I agree. Government is also becoming the oppressor.

Boo Hoo...why don't you either revolt or leave then.

 

[bodecea]

How can you "address" something when it is not mentioned? The US Constitution ignores slavery until it was outlawed.

Did slaves enjoy the protections offered in the Bill of Rights?

What was the 3/5ths Compromise about?

It was a compromise because Slave states in the South wanted slaves counted thus giving them more Electoral clout. Northern States did NOT want them counted since they could not by law VOTE.

However be it noted that the Southern States pitched a Fit when Lincoln freed them making them Citizens...and therefore could vote.

And those that pitched a fit were Democrats.

Asking again, what is the point of your last comment?

BTW...love your avatar...suits you.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

More stupidity & ignorance from the usual "God Damn America!!" suspects. Every political message board i've ever been on always has a couple of Socialist/Progressive nutters claiming our Founding Fathers weren't Christians. It's par for the course with these nutters. Al Jazeera,Huffington & Moveon.org told em so i guess. Kooky stuff.

 

[rightwinger]

More stupidity & ignorance from the usual "God Damn America!!" suspects. Every political message board i've ever been on always has a couple of Socialist/Progressive nutters claiming our Founding Fathers weren't Christians. It's par for the course with these nutters. Al Jazeera,Huffington & Moveon.org told em so i guess. Kooky stuff.

Clueless as usual Libo

Nobody said they weren't Christians. The thread is about the US not being based on Christianity. Now you can participate in the thread with the rest of the grownups